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KENTUCKYREDBONE
07-02-2011, 01:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SputwKEiHOI&feature=related

NateR
07-02-2011, 02:12 AM
That's pretty cool, but I think the mogoose vs. cobra video is better.
http://youtu.be/vdg9gkmWsEA

Buzzard
07-02-2011, 02:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SputwKEiHOI&feature=related

Lame. I hope the kid gets bitten and someone films it and puts it up on youtube. Another Jeffrey Dahlmer in the making.

VCURamFan
07-02-2011, 01:28 PM
My favorite is still Jaguar vs. Anaconda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJmP_MBuD7w&NR=1

rockdawg21
07-02-2011, 01:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SputwKEiHOI&feature=related
LOL, it was a 3 foot rat snake. Wait until that dog messes with a full-size rat snake and gets constricted.

rockdawg21
07-02-2011, 01:54 PM
My favorite is still Jaguar vs. Anaconda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJmP_MBuD7w&NR=1
That was pretty cool. I'd guess that anaconda didn't want any of that jaguar because id didn't fight back much, just kept trying to get away. I wanted to see it turn around and sink those hooking teeth into the jaguar, then we'd see what that jaguar's made of!

rockdawg21
07-02-2011, 01:55 PM
That's pretty cool, but I think the mogoose vs. cobra video is better.
http://youtu.be/vdg9gkmWsEA
It's always cool to watch a mongoose take out a cobra. Speed kills, literally!

KENTUCKYREDBONE
07-02-2011, 07:36 PM
But its easier to get a dog than a Mongoose or Jaguar! In some area's a dog that will kill snakes or Rat's is valued! I have lived in area's where I would have loved to had a Snake killing dog.

NateR
07-02-2011, 10:14 PM
Lame. I hope the kid gets bitten and someone films it and puts it up on youtube. Another Jeffrey Dahlmer in the making.

You're not one of those people who thinks that the life of an animal is equal to the life of a human are you? Otherwise why wish harm upon a 9-year-old kid? It's just a snake and it's not like the kid was ripping it apart with his bare hands.

Buzzard
07-02-2011, 11:05 PM
You're not one of those people who thinks that the life of an animal is equal to the life of a human are you? Otherwise why wish harm upon a 9-year-old kid? It's just a snake and it's not like the kid was ripping it apart with his bare hands.

I'm a person who values life, even the life of a snake. I'm not a sadistic bstard like (EDIT: some /edit) others on here.

How about if someone filmed a video of an animal attacking, killing and gutting your dog, or say the pet of your young daughter if you had one, would you be as gung-ho for that? After all, it's only a dog.

Edit: Do you approve of dog fighting? If not, why not?

VCURamFan
07-03-2011, 12:58 AM
I'm a person who values life, even the life of a snake. I'm not a sadistic bstard like (EDIT: some /edit) others on here.

How about if someone filmed a video of an animal attacking, killing and gutting your dog, or say the pet of your young daughter if you had one, would you be as gung-ho for that? After all, it's only a dog.

Edit: Do you approve of dog fighting? If not, why not?

Well, if it's a pet then clearly i've formed an emotional tie to it, so No, I wouldn't be gung-ho for it. If it were a dangerous wild dog that could harm me or my family, then no, I wouldn't be upset to see it killed.

I'm sure that if the snake being killed was Chuck boa, then the reaction would be very different. Instead, it was a snake which could have easily bitten a child in the underbrush.

It's disingenuous, Buzz, to try & compare wild to tame.

As for dog fighting, I'm against it, but that's mainly a cultural thing. By that I mean that I've never really examined my motivations for that position, it's just something that I've been raised to think. If you were to push me to make a case off the top of my head, I would probably reference Genesis & God's call for us to be stewards of the earth. There's no need for dogs to fight, so to force them to do so would irresponsible.

Like I said, I haven't thought about it, & that's just a knee-jerk reaction.

NateR
07-03-2011, 01:53 AM
I'm a person who values life, even the life of a snake. I'm not a sadistic bstard like (EDIT: some /edit) others on here.

How about if someone filmed a video of an animal attacking, killing and gutting your dog, or say the pet of your young daughter if you had one, would you be as gung-ho for that? After all, it's only a dog.

Edit: Do you approve of dog fighting? If not, why not?

No, I don't approve of dog fighting and I definitely don't approve of people who want to see videos of children getting attacked by animals posted on Youtube.

The dog was attacking the snake, thus he was simply doing what comes naturally for a dog. The 9-year-old boy was laughing about it, so he was simply doing what comes naturally for a 9-year-old boy. I see no reason for you to wish harm upon the boy for that.

If the child was ripping the snake apart with his bare hands, then I would understand your point about another Jeffrey Daumer in the making. Because it's well understood that cruelty to animals is simply the first step towards cruelty to human beings. That's not to say that all kids who abuse animals are going to turn into serial killers, but it's a fact that all known serial killers started with animals before moving on to people.

Buzzard
07-03-2011, 01:56 AM
Well, if it's a pet then clearly i've formed an emotional tie to it, so No, I wouldn't be gung-ho for it. If it were a dangerous wild dog that could harm me or my family, then no, I wouldn't be upset to see it killed.

I'm sure that if the snake being killed was Chuck boa, then the reaction would be very different. Instead, it was a snake which could have easily bitten a child in the underbrush.

It's disingenuous, Buzz, to try & compare wild to tame.

As for dog fighting, I'm against it, but that's mainly a cultural thing. By that I mean that I've never really examined my motivations for that position, it's just something that I've been raised to think. If you were to push me to make a case off the top of my head, I would probably reference Genesis & God's call for us to be stewards of the earth. There's no need for dogs to fight, so to force them to do so would irresponsible.

Like I said, I haven't thought about it, & that's just a knee-jerk reaction.

I actually gained some respect for you here VCU, in part because you chose to engage in a respectful manner. I shall afford that to you too.

I used to breed and raise rat snakes. They are generally timid creatures who strike only when provoked. I think it is sick to gleefully relish in the torment and death of a creature for entertainment value, which this falls under.

Are you saying that the value of a life and whether it should be tormented and intentionally killed resolves on if it is a wild or tame creature? Dog fighting dogs are wild creatures. Bulls that get tortured for entertainment value in bullfights are wild creatures, even though they have been domesticated imo. Is this good stewardship? Is trophy hunting for nothing other than sport good stewardship?

I don't think my question was disingenuous, but I'm game to have an amicable disagreement.

I'm truly interested in your answers, and not to get you in a "gotcha" moment.

I personally think that the torment, torture and killing of an animal for entertainment purposes is appalling and repulsive. Though I refuse to watch, I root for the bulls.

Buzzard
07-03-2011, 02:03 AM
No, I don't approve of dog fighting and I definitely don't approve of people who want to see videos of children getting attacked by animals posted on Youtube.

The dog was attacking the snake, thus he was simply doing what comes naturally for a dog. The 9-year-old boy was laughing about it, so he was simply doing what comes naturally for a 9-year-old boy. I see no reason for you to wish harm upon the boy for that.

If the child was ripping the snake apart with his bare hands, then I would understand your point about another Jeffrey Daumer in the making. Because it's well understood that cruelty to animals is simply the first step towards cruelty to human beings. That's not to say that all kids who abuse animals are going to turn into serial killers, but it's a fact that all known serial killers started with animals before moving on to people.

I as a child never laughed at an animal killing another. Killing is now a laughing matter, even if it is a lowly animal?

EDIT: I can understand the kid not knowing any better and needing to learn respect for life. A nice bite might make him learn a little quicker.

flo
07-03-2011, 02:11 AM
I personally think that the torment, torture and killing of an animal for entertainment purposes is appalling and repulsive. Though I refuse to watch, I root for the bulls.

I do too.

Buzzard
07-03-2011, 02:18 AM
I do too.

Cool, we have some common ground. +1 to you and kudos too.

rockdawg21
07-03-2011, 03:53 AM
I'm a person who values life, even the life of a snake. I'm not a sadistic bstard like (EDIT: some /edit) others on here.

How about if someone filmed a video of an animal attacking, killing and gutting your dog, or say the pet of your young daughter if you had one, would you be as gung-ho for that? After all, it's only a dog.

Edit: Do you approve of dog fighting? If not, why not?
I agree, it would have been cooler to see the snake get the dog.

rockdawg21
07-03-2011, 03:56 AM
I personally think that the torment, torture and killing of an animal for entertainment purposes is appalling and repulsive. Though I refuse to watch, I root for the bulls.
I used to as well, when Michael Jordan was still playing.

Buzzard
07-03-2011, 04:20 AM
Can someone answer me this? Why is this in the politics section.

Good one Rockdawg. I was a Laker fan myself. Bball no longer seems to me to be a team sport, I got out of it years ago. The Lakers are an embarrassment now.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
07-03-2011, 05:40 AM
Well I like Dogs and despise Snake's so I'll root for the dog! Alot of Snakes are Dangerous and I don't want me or my Kids getting bit by one. I forget where but I read about some place that uses JRT's to hunt and kill Brown Tree Snakes that sometimes come in on air planes. As for Hunting I used to Rabbit hunt and Rabbit's are good eating! Most Folk's that I know of that hunt also use the meat.

Buzzard
07-03-2011, 06:37 AM
Well I like Dogs and despise Snake's so I'll root for the dog! Alot of Snakes are Dangerous and I don't want me or my Kids getting bit by one. I forget where but I read about some place that uses JRT's to hunt and kill Brown Tree Snakes that sometimes come in on air planes. As for Hunting I used to Rabbit hunt and Rabbit's are good eating! Most Folk's that I know of that hunt also use the meat.

Yeah, the Brown Tree Snakes from Guam are a real problem. Can't let them into Hawaii because they will decimate the native birds and animals there.

I've caught rattlesnakes and copperheads but never have killed them. I release them back into the wild away from the beaten path. I even changed the mind of a co-worker who would kill them until he got to know me and realized they aren't evil as people make them out to be.

A friend of mine and I went down to a quarry lake by our river and found 2 guys that had just killed an Eastern King Snake. They were so proud until we told them that they kept the copperheads at bay. I never understand why people kill snakes.

Why do you despise them?

I've no problem with hunting for food, though I'm not sure I could bring myself to kill them myself. Hypocritical I know because I eat meat. That is something I have to deal with. I try to thank the animal for providing me the food. It's something I should do more of.

rockdawg21
07-03-2011, 02:00 PM
Can someone answer me this? Why is this in the politics section.

Good one Rockdawg. I was a Laker fan myself. Bball no longer seems to me to be a team sport, I got out of it years ago. The Lakers are an embarrassment now.
LOL, I was wondering why it was in this section as well.

I prefer college b-ball, they actually look like they are trying to win. And yeah, I would imagine the Lakers lost some fans with their recent shenanigans during the Mavs game...pitiful.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
07-03-2011, 06:38 PM
Yeah, the Brown Tree Snakes from Guam are a real problem. Can't let them into Hawaii because they will decimate the native birds and animals there.

I've caught rattlesnakes and copperheads but never have killed them. I release them back into the wild away from the beaten path. I even changed the mind of a co-worker who would kill them until he got to know me and realized they aren't evil as people make them out to be.

A friend of mine and I went down to a quarry lake by our river and found 2 guys that had just killed an Eastern King Snake. They were so proud until we told them that they kept the copperheads at bay. I never understand why people kill snakes.

Why do you despise them?


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I just don't like them and consider them dangerous around humans! Especially considering how many venomous snakes thier are! The only way Humans need to be around snakes is if
A-Their an expert or
B-Your killing them in a way that has minimum risk.
C-If you have no choice!

Buzzard
07-03-2011, 06:53 PM
I just don't like them and consider them dangerous around humans! Especially considering how many venomous snakes thier are! The only way Humans need to be around snakes is if
A-Their an expert or
B-Your killing them in a way that has minimum risk.
C-If you have no choice!

Can't we say the same thing about dogs? More people are attacked and bitten by dogs than by snakes. Should we go out and start killing all dogs now because they bite and can harm humans?

I'm not an expert on snakes, but I have and will handle them if the opportunity arises.

Why kill them? Snakes keep rodents and vermin in check. Ignorance is a terrible excuse to mindlessly endorse the killing of a creature. I'm not calling you ignorant, just saying a general ignorance of a species statement.

There aren't that many species of venomous snakes in North America. Many more species of non-venomous snakes.

rockdawg21
07-03-2011, 07:24 PM
Can't we say the same thing about dogs? More people are attacked and bitten by dogs than by snakes. Should we go out and start killing all dogs now because they bite and can harm humans?

I'm not an expert on snakes, but I have and will handle them if the opportunity arises.

Why kill them? Snakes keep rodents and vermin in check. Ignorance is a terrible excuse to mindlessly endorse the killing of a creature. I'm not calling you ignorant, just saying a general ignorance of a species statement.

There aren't that many species of venomous snakes in North America. Many more species of non-venomous snakes.
I love snakes. I see them every time I mow the yard. I stop so they can get away and stay in our yard so they can deal with the mice, scorpions, etc. so I don't have to. :)

VCURamFan
07-04-2011, 01:33 PM
Sorry that it's taken me so long to respond. Saturday was all about the fights & then yesterday I was at church then napping (I'm turning into flo! :scared0011:) & doing some laundry, so I didn't get to this until late & my internet cut off before I could finish writing out my thoughts (Man, I can't wait 'til I move into my new house in August & get outta my parents place! :frantics:)

I used to breed and raise rat snakes. They are generally timid creatures who strike only when provoked. I think it is sick to gleefully relish in the torment and death of a creature for entertainment value, which this falls under.Ah, that sheds a lot of light on the subject now. It makes a lot more sense why you had such an immediate reaction.

Are you saying that the value of a life and whether it should be tormented and intentionally killed resolves on if it is a wild or tame creature? Dog fighting dogs are wild creatures. Bulls that get tortured for entertainment value in bullfights are wild creatures, even though they have been domesticated imo. Is this good stewardship? Is trophy hunting for nothing other than sport good stewardship? Well, dogs & bulls raised to fight certainly aren't pets, but I also don't think we can call them wild, either. When I say "wild", I mean "saw them on National Geographic". :laugh: If we a have no influence over them, then they're wild.

Dog fighting & bull fighting are, like you say, domesticated. We are responsible for them & if we force them into fighting, then yes, we are being bad stewards of the responsibility God gave us.

OK, hunting is another one I haven't dissected my thoughts on much (grew up in suburbia, so it hasn't affected me). If the hunting is purely for sport (i.e. you shoot it, chop off the antlers & leave it to rot), then that sounds like poor stewardship to me. However, if I'm only interested in the sport aspect but I then donate the meat to friends, family, food back, etc., then I see no problem there.

I don't think my question was disingenuous, but I'm game to have an amicable disagreement.

I'm truly interested in your answers, and not to get you in a "gotcha" moment.

I personally think that the torment, torture and killing of an animal for entertainment purposes is appalling and repulsive. Though I refuse to watch, I root for the bulls.

I agree that, again, if it was purely for entertainment, it's repulsive. That's not the case with this video. The dog was acting as its instincts taught it (there's a possible threat to the pack, it's my duty to protect the pack, I must eliminate the threat). The kid video taped it & put it on the internet because he was proud of his dog. I watched it & was touched to see a dog protecting its young owner (even if he may not of needed protecting, the dog did not know better). I can't speak to why others enjoyed the video, but that was my personal reaction. It was similar to the story of the dog that fought to protect its young master from an attacking cougar (though obviously on a much smaller scale! :laugh:)

KENTUCKYREDBONE
07-04-2011, 06:15 PM
Being around Dogs ain't near as dangerous as snakes! Plus Dogs provide lots of valuable services to humans! A dog is usually very loyal to thier family.