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rockdawg21
03-12-2009, 09:55 PM
"Kidnappings are up, but violent crime is down." Well that's great news. So that means everything is ok and our citizens are surrendering peacefully to the cartel terrorists.

Mexican Cartels are a greater threat to the U.S. than Al'Qaida - they have been for decades. Hopefully Obama won't ignore this fact the way Bush did.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29659021
U.S. plans for Mexico border violence
Official: Military force last resort in dealing with drug wars

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updated 12:59 p.m. CT, Thurs., March. 12, 2009

WASHINGTON - A top Homeland Security official told a House panel Thursday that Mexican drug cartels are the biggest organized crime threat to the United States.

Homeland Security official Roger Rufe said a department plan to respond to escalating violence on the southwest border includes as a last resort deploying military personnel and equipment to the region if homeland security agencies become overwhelmed.

Rufe, echoing comments a day earlier from President Barack Obama, said now is not the time to militarize the southwest border.

"We would take all resources short of DoD and National Guard troops before we reach that tipping point," Rufe told lawmakers. "We very much do not want to militarize our border."

Rufe said military forces would be called in only when homeland security and other government agencies are overwhelmed. He did not specify what circumstances would trigger a call for troops.

The Mexican government has deployed 700 extra federal police to Ciudad Juarez, a city bordering [El Paso] Texas where local police have been overwhelmed by drug violence. Earlier this month, 3,200 federal troops were sent to the city.

Mexican officials say the violence killed 6,290 people last year and more than 1,000 in the first eight weeks of 2009. Warring drug cartels are blamed for more than 560 kidnappings in Phoenix in 2007 and the first half of 2008, and killings in Atlanta, and Birmingham, Ala.

Rufe said while the violence along the border in Mexico is appalling, violent crimes have not increased in U.S. border cities as a result. He said kidnappings are up, but violent crime is down.

"We're not so concerned, at least at this point, about that violence spilling over into our cities," he said.

Warnings issued to travelers
Further, the Homeland Security Department's attache to Mexico said the violence in Mexico is not as dangerous to U.S. tourists as has been portrayed.

Alonzo Pena said the violence is in isolated areas of the country and only affects the people involved in criminal activity. He said the violence is not affecting U.S. citizens visiting Mexico and Americans should not cancel their vacations in the country.

Earlier this month, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives warned college students on spring breaks not to travel to parts of northern Mexico because it was too dangerous.

In February, the State Department advised travelers to avoid areas of prostitution and drug-dealing in Mexico.

Bonnie
03-12-2009, 10:16 PM
They just talked about this two or three nights ago on the news. They said Houston is becoming or has become the city for these cartel terrorists and they warned about people/students going to Mexico with spring break coming up.

I'm sure it's not going to stop the young people from going. :scared0011:

Miss Foxy
03-12-2009, 10:27 PM
I personally wouldn't recommend going to cities that lie near the US border. Cities such as Tijuana, Juarez, Matsomoro, etc. Those areas are bad. Innocent lives daily mostly Mexican. Another thing the kidnappings in the US are usually people involved with the cartel such as coyotes (a name for people who smuggle people) or people who make drug transactions with the cartel or payback on behalf of the cartel. Hope this reassures everyone I know its scary.

Miss Foxy
03-12-2009, 10:30 PM
"Kidnappings are up, but violent crime is down." Well that's great news. So that means everything is ok and our citizens are surrendering peacefully to the cartel terrorists.

Mexican Cartels are a greater threat to the U.S. than Al'Qaida - they have been for decades. Hopefully Obama won't ignore this fact the way Bush did.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29659021 I don't believe that is true. They are dangerous and must be stopped, however I believe our country is still in danger with Al Qaida.

rockdawg21
03-12-2009, 10:35 PM
I don't believe that is true. They are dangerous and must be stopped, however I believe our country is still in danger with Al Qaida.
Well, even if it's indirect. There have been more lives ruined by Mexican Cartel and their import of illegal drugs (90% of all drugs in the U.S. come from Mexican cartels), silencing of witnesses, murder, etc. than any threat from Al'Qaida. They are a much more dangerous terrorist organization to the U.S. than any other group.

Miss Foxy
03-12-2009, 10:38 PM
Well, even if it's indirect. There have been more lives ruined by Mexican Cartel and their import of illegal drugs (90% of all drugs in the U.S. come from Mexican cartels), silencing of witnesses, murder, etc. than any threat from Al'Qaida. They are a much more dangerous terrorist organization to the U.S. than any other group.
Where did you get the 90 % factoid from? Just curious...

Black Mamba
03-12-2009, 10:39 PM
I wouldn't step foot in any part of Mexico, or even San Ysirdo for that matter. I live less than a mile away from the border, and it's bad.

What I'm concerned about is the media portrays one image (the cartels are only going after each and law enforcement). But if you were to watch additional programing such as the National Geographic Channel (Locked Up Abroad), another picture is painted. You have innocent people being kidnapped and I wouldn't be surprised being sold into the sex trade. There's this one father who's daughter and a friend are still missing after their trip to Mexico. There are countless civilians being either held ransom or possibly being sold off.My college newspaper warns that the cartels aren't targeting civilians, but I think it's b.s.

Miss Foxy
03-12-2009, 10:42 PM
I wouldn't step foot in any part of Mexico, or even San Ysirdo for that matter. I live less than a mile away from the border, and it's bad.

What I'm concerned about is the media portrays one image (the cartels are only going after each and law enforcement). But if you were to watch additional programing such as the National Geographic Channel (Locked Up Abroad), another picture is painted. You have innocent people being kidnapped and I wouldn't be surprised being sold into the sex trade. There's this one father who's daughter and a friend are still missing after their trip to Mexico. There are countless civilians being either held ransom or possibly being sold off.My college newspaper warns that the cartels aren't targeting civilians, but I think it's b.s.
Only reason I know a lot about who/what/where of the cartel activity is because my childrens family are in Mexicos equivalent of FBI. They investigate and arrest corrupt Mexican police and judges. In TJ the violence is horrible! I am sorry to hear about your friend thats awful my heart goes out to the family and send it to fox in San Diego to do a cold case hun they do them often.

rockdawg21
03-12-2009, 10:47 PM
Where did you get the 90 % factoid from? Just curious...
Sorry, 90% of cocaine, I was mistaken. Nonetheless, they are also importing all other street drugs as well. But here's some sources:

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/105184.pdf
http://www.realtruth.org/news/090102-001-americas.html
http://www.realtruth.org/articles/090203-005-americas.html

I even read a report the other day about the former mayor of Ciudad Juarez moved his family to El Paso after receiving death threats from the Cartel. The openly said if he makes any attempt to help the U.S. authorities, they will kill his family as well as the family of the mayor of El Paso.
http://www.infowars.com/after-threats-juarez-mayor-in-el-paso/
Also, the police chief in Juarez resigned from threats:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/02/20/juarez.police/index.html

Al'Qaida bombs things here and there, these guys are murdering every single day in more than 42 states in the U.S. Murder, intimidation, drug trafficking, weapons trafficking, drug trafficking, human trafficking, kidnapping, extortion, human religious sacrifice, etc. They are a much larger threat to national security than Al'Qaida.

Miss Foxy
03-12-2009, 10:52 PM
Sorry, 90% of cocaine, I was mistaken. Nonetheless, they are also importing all other street drugs as well. But here's some sources:

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/105184.pdf
http://www.realtruth.org/news/090102-001-americas.html
http://www.realtruth.org/articles/090203-005-americas.html

I even read a report the other day about the former mayor of Ciudad Juarez moved his family to El Paso after receiving death threats from the Cartel. The openly said if he makes any attempt to help the U.S. authorities, they will kill his family as well as the family of the mayor of El Paso.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/02/20/juarez.police/index.html

Al'Qaida bombs things here in there, these guys are murdering every single day in more than 42 states in the U.S. They are a much larger threat to national security than Al'Qaida. Im not arguing that its not true. Just wanted to see where this info is coming from. Don't you think I sympathize and understand, but as far as innocent lives most of em are Mexican. True about the drugs, however adults drugging themselves is a decision they made so no one is to blame for that but them. I believe as far as innocent lives Al Qaeda is still more dangerous. Its like pick your poison. I think they need to go down all of em and anyone who supports what they do. As far as the Mexican cartels they are a bunch of cowards and punks!

Hughes_GOAT
03-12-2009, 10:55 PM
I wouldn't step foot in any part of Mexico, or even San Ysirdo for that matter. I live less than a mile away from the border, and it's bad.



oh come on....it's party central. next time i'm in SD, i'll take you.

rockdawg21
03-12-2009, 10:56 PM
oh come on....it's party central. next time i'm in SD, i'll take you.
Maybe if you're one of Los Zetas :wink:

Miss Foxy
03-12-2009, 10:56 PM
oh come on....it's party central. next time i'm in SD, i'll take you.
Not no more and don't let me find out you went over there!! haha. It was fun back in the day!!! Many nights and I know your down if you ate tacos before you came back to the states!! haha!!

Hughes_GOAT
03-12-2009, 10:58 PM
Not no more and don't let me find out you went over there!! haha.


:ashamed:

Miss Foxy
03-12-2009, 10:59 PM
:ashamed: You did'nt?? Oh heck no!! lol.. Ok then a bacon wrapped hot dog? lol.. C'mon your killing me!! You just went for the cervezas huh? :)

Hughes_GOAT
03-12-2009, 11:04 PM
You did'nt?? Oh heck no!! lol.. Ok then a bacon wrapped hot dog? lol.. C'mon your killing me!! You just went for the cervezas huh? :)

all the things military guys go there for :wink:

rockdawg21
03-12-2009, 11:06 PM
Not no more and don't let me find out you went over there!! haha. It was fun back in the day!!! Many nights and I know your down if you ate tacos before you came back to the states!! haha!!
Nothing beats a fried burrito :w00t:

Miss Foxy
03-13-2009, 05:59 AM
Nothing beats a fried burrito :w00t:
True a good ol' Chimichanga!!

atomdanger
03-13-2009, 07:36 AM
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atomdanger
03-13-2009, 07:39 AM
True a good ol' Chimichanga!!

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03-13-2009, 02:05 PM
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Hughes_GOAT
03-14-2009, 01:38 AM
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03-14-2009, 04:34 AM
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03-14-2009, 05:34 AM
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Moose
03-14-2009, 05:49 AM
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Hughes_GOAT
03-14-2009, 06:00 AM
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