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Tyburn
06-08-2011, 05:44 PM
Here is a guy who is Speaker in the Assembly for New York State...and He doesnt appear to be the most...democratic...of statesmen.

The bid to legalize MMA in New York was passed by small groups enroute to its sanctioning at Legislation level.

Mr Silver has decided, that, despite the positive results, noone is interested, and ergo the legislation doesnt look like it will be heard or ratified.

...This comming from someone who is supposed to be part of a Nation that works on the power of the vote, has managed to single handedly speak for the entire New York State Government by the sounds of it.

It sounds like he has been around on the Assembly too long. Thirty odd years, and all the Press are saying that, effectively, he, personally holds the key to getting anything into Law in New York.

I dont like that. ...and if I understand American Culture and Law properly, not even the US President is supposed to be able to just do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, without regard for the rest of the Congress and The Courts.

So...What makes Sheldon Silver so special that the Constitutional boundaries of his job, do not apply to him :huh:

I have a good mind to write and ask him :laugh:

VCURamFan
06-08-2011, 09:14 PM
Here's the MMAFighting.com article on the subject:

New York Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver Effectively Kills 2011 MMA Bill
With a few words from arguably the most powerful man in New York state politics, it appears that mixed martial arts in the Empire State will once again die in its 2011 bid for sanctioning.

State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, a Democrat and 34-year veteran of the Assembly who has held the most pivotal role in New York's legislature since 1994, effectively sealed the sport's fate with a single sentence.

"There does not appear to be widespread support in the Assembly for this legislation," Silver said on Tuesday, according to The New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/06/08/2011-06-08_silver_socks_it_to_ultimate_fighting_gold.html) .

To say the least, his words come as a curious statement just days after the bill to regulate the sport had easily sailed through the Assembly's Tourism, Parks, Arts and Sports Development committee by a 16-3 vote. The bill had already been passed through the state senate as well, in a 42-18 vote.

But Silver has the power to effectively do just the opposite of those votes: stop the MMA bill dead in its tracks.

As MMA Fighting reported last year, Silver is considered the most powerful man in the state capital, a title agreed upon by both The New York Times and The New York Post. Due to the overwhelmingly Democratic-controlled Assembly, Silver has huge sway over what bills get introduced for a full vote, and which stall out before ever reaching that point. He has the power to greenlight a bill through traffic, and create gridlock where there is none. Dr. Douglas Muzzio, a professor at New York's Baruch College and longtime political analyst, told MMA Fighting last October (http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/10/14/changing-new-york-political-winds-could-affect-mma-sanctioning/) that "nothing happens legislatively in the New York State Assembly" without Silver's OK. By virtue of his statement about MMA, it nearly guarantees the bill won't see the Assembly floor for a full vote.

Clearly, there is a fair amount of support for the bill by virtue of the votes that passed it through the senate as well as Assembly committees, not only in 2011, but in years past. But until and unless Silver allows it to be brought to the floor for a full vote, MMA sanctioning in New York will continue to tempt us with promise before ultimately failing.

Past repeated attempts to get Silver to publicly comment on his personal position on MMA have been met with resistance, with his spokespeople saying he does not comment on bills before they're in the voting process. Yet seeing as the bills have passed through some important committees, it would seem as though Silver would allow it a chance to pass or fail in the Assembly on its own merits. But that is not how politics work in 2011, at least not in New York, and not on his watch.

At least we're not the only ones left shaking our heads. Even some of his fellow Democrats don't quite understand what's going on, including Assemblyman Andrew Hevesi, who according to The Daily News, said it's "illogical and irrational" that New York would ignore the potential revenue generated by MMA during a time of financial crisis. Upon sanctioning, MMA's leading promotion the UFC had promised New York two events (http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/01/13/ufc-pledges-two-events-to-new-york-upon-state-sanctioning-mma/) within the first calendar year that would generate around $16 million in economic activity. Apparently, that's not nearly enough.

The bad news gets worse, folks. Silver was just re-elected last November, so next year, we get to do it all over again.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
06-08-2011, 11:20 PM
I have read that the Unions were keeping MMA out of NY becuase the Ferrite owned casino's ain't Unionized!

Tyburn
06-08-2011, 11:39 PM
I have read that the Unions were keeping MMA out of NY becuase the Ferrite owned casino's ain't Unionized!

What would be fascinating...is if anyone can tie Silver to an interest in a Union thats anti UFC because they dissagree with unregulated casinos owned by the Fetittas

:laugh:

Is he a union rep...does he have a seat on a union board...are his best buds the union chiefs...?

OOOO New York Politics sounds downright dirty :laugh:

KENTUCKYREDBONE
06-09-2011, 12:03 AM
What would be fascinating...is if anyone can tie Silver to an interest in a Union thats anti UFC because they dissagree with unregulated casinos owned by the Fetittas

:laugh:

Is he a union rep...does he have a seat on a union board...are his best buds the union chiefs...?

OOOO New York Politics sounds downright dirty :laugh:

I'll have to research to be sure but I think one of the big Unions support him politically! That's were alot of Democrat campaign money comes from. Unions and Hollywood! Unfortunantly big time politics is a dirty bussiness!

VCURamFan
06-09-2011, 03:21 AM
I'll have to research to be sure but I think one of the big Unions support him politically! That's were alot of Democrat campaign money comes from. Unions and Hollywood! Unfortunantly big time politics is a dirty bussiness!

The union that's anti-Fertittas is the one for waiters/cooks/kitchen staff/etc. Can't remember the name of it right now...

Bonnie
06-09-2011, 05:28 AM
From Wikipedia

The Speaker of the New York State Assembly is the highest official in the New York State Assembly, customarily elected from the ranks of the majority party.

As in most countries with a British heritage, the speaker presides over the lower house of the legislature. (The position exists in every U.S. state and in the United States House of Representatives, the lower house of the Congress. New York's Assembly Speaker is very powerful. Effectively, the Speaker of the New York Assembly has the power to control much of the business in the Assembly and, in fact, throughout all of state government. Through almost single-handed control of the chamber, the Assembly Speaker is able to dictate what legislation makes it to the floor and what does not, and will punish the members of his caucus that do not vote in his favor (e.g. former assembly majority leader Michael Bragman losing his leadership post after running against current speaker Sheldon Silver). Through this and heavy gerrymandering that has given him a near-permanent supermajority, the Assembly Speaker rarely faces any challenge to his post.

:wink:

VCURamFan
06-09-2011, 11:20 AM
Sounds like the only way we'll hear about UFC & MSG is if a fighter gets food poisoning from a Chinese buffet...

Tyburn
06-09-2011, 12:46 PM
Sounds like the only way we'll hear about UFC & MSG is if a fighter gets food poisoning from a Chinese buffet...

:laugh: No...that will be their revenge when MMA DOES get sanctioned LOL :laugh:

Tyburn
06-09-2011, 12:48 PM
:wink:

Surely to punish your adversary is illegal and tantamount to abuse of power, which should see someone of his office REMOVED.

:huh:

That is a form of Tyranny...which I had thought was against American Values. How does he get away with it??

Bonnie
06-09-2011, 11:24 PM
The Democrats have held the majority party in the lower house in New York since way before he was elected Speaker in 1994, and I'm assuming that's how he's held this position for almost 20 years. I guess unless he kicks the bucket unexpectedly, somehow fails to be re-elected by the ranks, or unless the majority party changes hands, he'll continue his tyranny. From some of what I've read, I definitely don't think he's governing for the good of the majority of New York state, but rather for his own self-interests and those select groups or individuals who he favors.

Power is a heady thing and it doesn't take much to corrupt a man. :wink:

Bonnie
06-09-2011, 11:51 PM
Dave, here is some info on the New York State Assembly that might give some insight into how Silver has held this position for so long. Notice there are no term limits for assembly members. Either he is very popular among his party or no one within wants to chance running against him and losing knowing what the possible consequences would be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Assembly

New York State Assembly (from Wikipedia)

The New York State Assembly is the lower house of the New York State Legislature, the state legislature of the U.S. state of New York. The Assembly is composed of 150 members representing an equal number of districts, with each district having an average population of 128,652. Assembly members serve two-year terms without term limits.

Leadership of the Assembly: The Speaker of the Assembly presides over the Assembly. The Speaker is elected by the Majority Conference followed by confirmation of the full Assembly through the passage of an Assembly Resolution. In addition to presiding over the body, the Speaker is also the chief leadership position, and controls the flow of legislation and committee assignments. The minority leader is elected by party caucus. The majority leader of the Assembly is selected by, and serves at the pleasure of, the Speaker. The current Speaker is Democrat Sheldon Silver of the 64th Assembly District (New York City-Lower Manhattan). The Majority Leader is Ronald Canestrari of the 106th Assembly District (parts of Albany, Rensselaer and Saratoga counties). The Minority Leader is Republican Brian Kolb of the 129th Assembly District (parts of Cayuga, Cortland, Onondaga and Ontario counties and all of Seneca County).

Composition: The Assembly is dominated by the Democrats, who currently hold a 48-seat majority in the chamber. The Assembly's one-man, one-vote apportionment strongly favors the state's traditional Democratic strongholds of New York City (where the Democrats hold all but two seats), the urban areas of Western New York, and the Capital District. The Democrats have controlled the Assembly since 1975.

flo
06-10-2011, 12:13 AM
Either he is very popular among his party or no one within wants to chance running against him and losing knowing what the possible consequences would be.



Excepting Llamafighter, of course, I think lots of New Yorkers are crazy. A recent poll showed a majority of voters in Congressman Weiner's district do NOT want him to resign.

:Whistle: