Tyburn
05-13-2011, 08:54 PM
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it appears it is not good enough for him to lie to his own people...he is now telling porkies to England also. When David Cameron went on a State Visit to The United States of America, he spoke directly to the US President about the terrible extradition treaty that we signed up to under a previous administration that were willing to do anything for America...but nothing for their own country.
He mentioned the fate of an autistic computer hacker, who got into NASA and the Pentagon looking for Aliens. The US have claimed he is a dangerous cyber terrorist...but British medical authorities say he hasnt got the mental capacity to be a dangerous terrorist to anyone but himself.
The previous Administration under the whims of Washington by choice, aggreed to hand over the suspect to face trial and imprisonment for 60 years. But Europe and The Media were against the ideal. What with the Wall Street Wobble and subsequent recession the case has been on hold.
That was until this new Government took over. The new Administration are absolutely certain that whilst we support America...we are NOT an American State, and our Prime Minister, is NOT a Federal or State Governor. Neither is he answerable to Washington. This was fine by Barack Obama, who has made little requests for any close quarters communication directed towards any type of warfare, or any joint venture on the international scene. Mr Obama promised Mr Cameron that he was confident that this case could be worked out appropriately, and seeemed to suggest that the trial would take place in Britain, and under British Law
Mr Obama is making a State Visit to England at the end of the Month, and we Expected this to be clarified and sorted out in time for that. But it appears that his "Law Chief" The United States Attorney General, said that extradition was going to happen whether we wanted it or not.
If I was a member of the British Government, I would call for a petition, and tell The United States President, that if he cant keep his promises, that he is not welcome on British Soil and may as well stay in Washington. If I were a member of the Royal Family due to meet him...I would cancel, regardless of the distance he has traveled. He would soon get the message.
simply tell the Government to hell with the extradition treaty, and refuse to hand over the prisoner. What are the Americans going to do? This is not how you treat your friends. We lied for American interests, as finally the Chilcott Enquiry heard from the writer of the dodgy intelligence dossier, who says he was directed to make a case for war...and not to construct impartial evidence.
Its time that the British Government sent the American Government an ultimatum...that if they want this guy, they should come and get him. They wouldnt dare. Barack Obama hasnt got it in him, and none of his Cabinate has...they would bleat...like they did with Scotland...but they wouldnt dare do anything about it.
We need to break that treaty...and I hope this message is made crystal clear to the Fourty Fourth when he visits this country in the comming few weeks. Please dont let this man ruin the long standing friendship between our nations. Vote for someone, ANYONE else when the time comes for your next Ellection.
I know The House of Lords would aggree with me, and they are so Ancient, they remember a time prior to the discovery of the Home of The Brave.
No mercy for Gary McKinnon: As Obama prepares for UK visit, his law chief insists U.S. will not bend on extraditionBy James Slack
President Obama’s top law officer last night dealt a bitter blow to computer hacker Gary McKinnon by insisting that he must face trial in a U.S. court.
Eric Holder, the U.S. Attorney General, vowed to ‘take all of the necessary steps’ to have Gary – who suffers from Asperger’s syndrome – extradited and ‘held accountable for the crimes that he committed’.
Gary, 45, and his thousands of supporters had been hoping for a breakthrough in his case when Mr Obama visits the UK later this month.
Ten-year nightmare: Gary with his mum Janis who has written an open letter to President Obama
His mother Janis Sharp had written an open letter to the President pleading with him to end ten years of torment.
However, it appears the U.S. has made its decision before Mr Obama even sets foot on British soil.
The Americans are demanding the extradition of Gary despite medical experts warning he is likely to attempt suicide if sent to the U.S.
Mr Holder told ITV’s London Tonight: ‘McKinnon is a person who committed serious crimes resulting in about $1million worth of damages in the United States.
‘There has been a review by seven judges here in the UK who made the determination that his extradition was appropriate.
‘The previous Home Secretary made the determination that his extradition was appropriate.’
But Gary’s mother said Mr Holder’s attitude was shocking. She called on the Government to halt the extradition.
Miss Sharp told the Mail: ‘I’m quite frankly shocked by the response of the U.S. Attorney General.
‘Britain needs to see the compassionate face of America that we had all expected to see when Obama was elected.
‘Britain stands side by side America in everything they do, including sending our young men to die in Afghanistan.
‘If America asked our Prime Minister not to extradite an American, David Cameron would instantly agree to America’s request.
‘However, we all know that America wouldn’t ask, they would just refuse to extradite, in the same way they refused to extradite Irish-Americans accused of terrorist offences to Britain.’
She added: ‘The time has come for our Government to show their compassion and to assert their authority and to simply refuse to extradite.
‘Pre-election, David Cameron and Nick Clegg had both said that Gary can and must be tried in the UK.’
Last July, Mr Obama gave fresh hope to Gary, who faces a jail sentence of up to 60 years if he is forced to stand trial in the U.S. for hacking into Pentagon and Nasa computers in 2001 searching for evidence of ‘little green men’.
He promised to find an ‘appropriate solution’ after Mr Cameron raised the plight of the computer hacker on his first visit to the White House.
Home Secretary Theresa May agreed to stall the extradition last year, saying she wanted to ensure the hacker was treated fairly.
Since the Mail launched a campaign to have Gary tried in Britain the Government has agreed to review the controversial 2003 Extradition Act. Gary’s mother is currently at loggerheads with the Home Office over the choice of an independent expert to reassess her son’s health.
Peers last month demanded an immediate end to Gary’s decade of ‘psychological torture’.
Lord Maginnis raised the case in the House of Lords after describing his treatment during the extradition process as ‘unbelievable and unforgivable’.
it appears it is not good enough for him to lie to his own people...he is now telling porkies to England also. When David Cameron went on a State Visit to The United States of America, he spoke directly to the US President about the terrible extradition treaty that we signed up to under a previous administration that were willing to do anything for America...but nothing for their own country.
He mentioned the fate of an autistic computer hacker, who got into NASA and the Pentagon looking for Aliens. The US have claimed he is a dangerous cyber terrorist...but British medical authorities say he hasnt got the mental capacity to be a dangerous terrorist to anyone but himself.
The previous Administration under the whims of Washington by choice, aggreed to hand over the suspect to face trial and imprisonment for 60 years. But Europe and The Media were against the ideal. What with the Wall Street Wobble and subsequent recession the case has been on hold.
That was until this new Government took over. The new Administration are absolutely certain that whilst we support America...we are NOT an American State, and our Prime Minister, is NOT a Federal or State Governor. Neither is he answerable to Washington. This was fine by Barack Obama, who has made little requests for any close quarters communication directed towards any type of warfare, or any joint venture on the international scene. Mr Obama promised Mr Cameron that he was confident that this case could be worked out appropriately, and seeemed to suggest that the trial would take place in Britain, and under British Law
Mr Obama is making a State Visit to England at the end of the Month, and we Expected this to be clarified and sorted out in time for that. But it appears that his "Law Chief" The United States Attorney General, said that extradition was going to happen whether we wanted it or not.
If I was a member of the British Government, I would call for a petition, and tell The United States President, that if he cant keep his promises, that he is not welcome on British Soil and may as well stay in Washington. If I were a member of the Royal Family due to meet him...I would cancel, regardless of the distance he has traveled. He would soon get the message.
simply tell the Government to hell with the extradition treaty, and refuse to hand over the prisoner. What are the Americans going to do? This is not how you treat your friends. We lied for American interests, as finally the Chilcott Enquiry heard from the writer of the dodgy intelligence dossier, who says he was directed to make a case for war...and not to construct impartial evidence.
Its time that the British Government sent the American Government an ultimatum...that if they want this guy, they should come and get him. They wouldnt dare. Barack Obama hasnt got it in him, and none of his Cabinate has...they would bleat...like they did with Scotland...but they wouldnt dare do anything about it.
We need to break that treaty...and I hope this message is made crystal clear to the Fourty Fourth when he visits this country in the comming few weeks. Please dont let this man ruin the long standing friendship between our nations. Vote for someone, ANYONE else when the time comes for your next Ellection.
I know The House of Lords would aggree with me, and they are so Ancient, they remember a time prior to the discovery of the Home of The Brave.
No mercy for Gary McKinnon: As Obama prepares for UK visit, his law chief insists U.S. will not bend on extraditionBy James Slack
President Obama’s top law officer last night dealt a bitter blow to computer hacker Gary McKinnon by insisting that he must face trial in a U.S. court.
Eric Holder, the U.S. Attorney General, vowed to ‘take all of the necessary steps’ to have Gary – who suffers from Asperger’s syndrome – extradited and ‘held accountable for the crimes that he committed’.
Gary, 45, and his thousands of supporters had been hoping for a breakthrough in his case when Mr Obama visits the UK later this month.
Ten-year nightmare: Gary with his mum Janis who has written an open letter to President Obama
His mother Janis Sharp had written an open letter to the President pleading with him to end ten years of torment.
However, it appears the U.S. has made its decision before Mr Obama even sets foot on British soil.
The Americans are demanding the extradition of Gary despite medical experts warning he is likely to attempt suicide if sent to the U.S.
Mr Holder told ITV’s London Tonight: ‘McKinnon is a person who committed serious crimes resulting in about $1million worth of damages in the United States.
‘There has been a review by seven judges here in the UK who made the determination that his extradition was appropriate.
‘The previous Home Secretary made the determination that his extradition was appropriate.’
But Gary’s mother said Mr Holder’s attitude was shocking. She called on the Government to halt the extradition.
Miss Sharp told the Mail: ‘I’m quite frankly shocked by the response of the U.S. Attorney General.
‘Britain needs to see the compassionate face of America that we had all expected to see when Obama was elected.
‘Britain stands side by side America in everything they do, including sending our young men to die in Afghanistan.
‘If America asked our Prime Minister not to extradite an American, David Cameron would instantly agree to America’s request.
‘However, we all know that America wouldn’t ask, they would just refuse to extradite, in the same way they refused to extradite Irish-Americans accused of terrorist offences to Britain.’
She added: ‘The time has come for our Government to show their compassion and to assert their authority and to simply refuse to extradite.
‘Pre-election, David Cameron and Nick Clegg had both said that Gary can and must be tried in the UK.’
Last July, Mr Obama gave fresh hope to Gary, who faces a jail sentence of up to 60 years if he is forced to stand trial in the U.S. for hacking into Pentagon and Nasa computers in 2001 searching for evidence of ‘little green men’.
He promised to find an ‘appropriate solution’ after Mr Cameron raised the plight of the computer hacker on his first visit to the White House.
Home Secretary Theresa May agreed to stall the extradition last year, saying she wanted to ensure the hacker was treated fairly.
Since the Mail launched a campaign to have Gary tried in Britain the Government has agreed to review the controversial 2003 Extradition Act. Gary’s mother is currently at loggerheads with the Home Office over the choice of an independent expert to reassess her son’s health.
Peers last month demanded an immediate end to Gary’s decade of ‘psychological torture’.
Lord Maginnis raised the case in the House of Lords after describing his treatment during the extradition process as ‘unbelievable and unforgivable’.