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Tyburn
05-13-2011, 09:54 PM
:sad:

it appears it is not good enough for him to lie to his own people...he is now telling porkies to England also. When David Cameron went on a State Visit to The United States of America, he spoke directly to the US President about the terrible extradition treaty that we signed up to under a previous administration that were willing to do anything for America...but nothing for their own country.

He mentioned the fate of an autistic computer hacker, who got into NASA and the Pentagon looking for Aliens. The US have claimed he is a dangerous cyber terrorist...but British medical authorities say he hasnt got the mental capacity to be a dangerous terrorist to anyone but himself.

The previous Administration under the whims of Washington by choice, aggreed to hand over the suspect to face trial and imprisonment for 60 years. But Europe and The Media were against the ideal. What with the Wall Street Wobble and subsequent recession the case has been on hold.

That was until this new Government took over. The new Administration are absolutely certain that whilst we support America...we are NOT an American State, and our Prime Minister, is NOT a Federal or State Governor. Neither is he answerable to Washington. This was fine by Barack Obama, who has made little requests for any close quarters communication directed towards any type of warfare, or any joint venture on the international scene. Mr Obama promised Mr Cameron that he was confident that this case could be worked out appropriately, and seeemed to suggest that the trial would take place in Britain, and under British Law

Mr Obama is making a State Visit to England at the end of the Month, and we Expected this to be clarified and sorted out in time for that. But it appears that his "Law Chief" The United States Attorney General, said that extradition was going to happen whether we wanted it or not.

If I was a member of the British Government, I would call for a petition, and tell The United States President, that if he cant keep his promises, that he is not welcome on British Soil and may as well stay in Washington. If I were a member of the Royal Family due to meet him...I would cancel, regardless of the distance he has traveled. He would soon get the message.

simply tell the Government to hell with the extradition treaty, and refuse to hand over the prisoner. What are the Americans going to do? This is not how you treat your friends. We lied for American interests, as finally the Chilcott Enquiry heard from the writer of the dodgy intelligence dossier, who says he was directed to make a case for war...and not to construct impartial evidence.

Its time that the British Government sent the American Government an ultimatum...that if they want this guy, they should come and get him. They wouldnt dare. Barack Obama hasnt got it in him, and none of his Cabinate has...they would bleat...like they did with Scotland...but they wouldnt dare do anything about it.

We need to break that treaty...and I hope this message is made crystal clear to the Fourty Fourth when he visits this country in the comming few weeks. Please dont let this man ruin the long standing friendship between our nations. Vote for someone, ANYONE else when the time comes for your next Ellection.

I know The House of Lords would aggree with me, and they are so Ancient, they remember a time prior to the discovery of the Home of The Brave.

No mercy for Gary McKinnon: As Obama prepares for UK visit, his law chief insists U.S. will not bend on extraditionBy James Slack


President Obama’s top law officer last night dealt a bitter blow to computer hacker Gary McKinnon by insisting that he must face trial in a U.S. court.
Eric Holder, the U.S. Attorney General, vowed to ‘take all of the necessary steps’ to have Gary – who suffers from Asperger’s syndrome – extradited and ‘held accountable for the crimes that he committed’.
Gary, 45, and his thousands of supporters had been hoping for a breakthrough in his case when Mr Obama visits the UK later this month.
Ten-year nightmare: Gary with his mum Janis who has written an open letter to President Obama
His mother Janis Sharp had written an open letter to the President pleading with him to end ten years of torment.
However, it appears the U.S. has made its decision before Mr Obama even sets foot on British soil.


The Americans are demanding the extradition of Gary despite medical experts warning he is likely to attempt suicide if sent to the U.S.
Mr Holder told ITV’s London Tonight: ‘McKinnon is a person who committed serious crimes resulting in about $1million worth of damages in the United States.
‘There has been a review by seven judges here in the UK who made the determination that his extradition was appropriate.
‘The previous Home Secretary made the determination that his extradition was appropriate.’


But Gary’s mother said Mr Holder’s attitude was shocking. She called on the Government to halt the extradition.
Miss Sharp told the Mail: ‘I’m quite frankly shocked by the response of the U.S. Attorney General.
‘Britain needs to see the compassionate face of America that we had all expected to see when Obama was elected.
‘Britain stands side by side America in everything they do, including sending our young men to die in Afghanistan.

‘If America asked our Prime Minister not to extradite an American, David Cameron would instantly agree to America’s request.
‘However, we all know that America wouldn’t ask, they would just refuse to extradite, in the same way they refused to extradite Irish-Americans accused of terrorist offences to Britain.’
She added: ‘The time has come for our Government to show their compassion and to assert their authority and to simply refuse to extradite.

‘Pre-election, David Cameron and Nick Clegg had both said that Gary can and must be tried in the UK.’
Last July, Mr Obama gave fresh hope to Gary, who faces a jail sentence of up to 60 years if he is forced to stand trial in the U.S. for hacking into Pentagon and Nasa computers in 2001 searching for evidence of ‘little green men’.
He promised to find an ‘appropriate solution’ after Mr Cameron raised the plight of the computer hacker on his first visit to the White House.
Home Secretary Theresa May agreed to stall the extradition last year, saying she wanted to ensure the hacker was treated fairly.
Since the Mail launched a campaign to have Gary tried in Britain the Government has agreed to review the controversial 2003 Extradition Act. Gary’s mother is currently at loggerheads with the Home Office over the choice of an independent expert to reassess her son’s health.
Peers last month demanded an immediate end to Gary’s decade of ‘psychological torture’.
Lord Maginnis raised the case in the House of Lords after describing his treatment during the extradition process as ‘unbelievable and unforgivable’.

REMY
05-14-2011, 03:12 PM
Dave....how do you get Obama promises not to seek extridition ? All he said was he would work to find a appropriate solution...appropriate by our government standards that is.

Definitely don't see any of the officials refusing to meet with Obama.

Tyburn
05-14-2011, 04:33 PM
he would work to find a appropriate solution

Definitely don't see any of the officials refusing to meet with Obama.

He wouldnt need to say that to the Prime Minister if his answer was "No"

Of Course they will all meet with him...but the Press and "the People" are unlikely to be very friendly to him...perish the thought of him taking questions...because they will ask him more directly then I suspect our Prime Minister did..."Appropriate solution" isnt good enough for Brits...infact...they probably wouldnt ask about Gary at all...they would probably ask President Obama if he thinks its "appropriate" to have a one way treaty with your best friend, where you get everything you want, and they get all the shyte...then they are likely to ask him why he cant be bothered to send his troops that are directly involved in "friendly Fire" incidents that accidently kill British Troops, across to non judicial public hearings. :mellow:

I'm sorry to be so negative...but quite honnestly, the guy only caused your civil service embarissment. I think they should be embarrised if an autistic guy can look into their computers...he didnt touch, remove, or share information, he didnt corrupt anything...he just looked for Aliens...we dont even know if he found any :laugh: he's got the mental capacity of a child. To call him a cyber terrorist is foolish...your country should be grateful that he had no plans to do anything...coz he exposed ways in...and it would have been a darn sight more then embarrising if he HAD of collected, shared, published, corrupted files for a terroristic aim.

Have you ever watched "Question Time" ? Its the political show where a number of highly important people get to sit on a pannel and the public get to question them...It would be like that...if you dont know Question Time....watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iADOrCEV82Q

Jacqui Smith...she was in the Cabinate during the Commons Expenses Scandles...it came to light that she had put in a claim to get money back for her Husband who bought Pornography with it....Ooooops :laugh: :laugh:

Neezar
05-14-2011, 05:12 PM
I'm sorry to be so negative...but quite honnestly, the guy only caused your civil service embarissment. I think they should be embarrised if an autistic guy can look into their computers...he didnt touch, remove, or share information, he didnt corrupt anything...he just looked for Aliens...we dont even know if he found any :laugh: he's got the mental capacity of a child. To call him a cyber terrorist is foolish...your country should be grateful that he had no plans to do anything...coz he exposed ways in...and it would have been a darn sight more then embarrising if he HAD of collected, shared, published, corrupted files for a terroristic aim.



I agree! :laugh:

If only because something similiar happened to me in the 90's when I worked for the sheriff's dept. It was 3rd shift, nothing going on, and I was playing on the computer - which happens to be linked with the FBI, Interpol, and other national security systems. Well the way the thing work just boggled my mind because I had never worked on a system that big. I had worked a little at Boeing and seen some progam work so I decided to take a look at the program. I had NO IDEA that I left our system and went into the national highways.

Oh, I would say about 15 minutes in and my phone rang. I answered and someone asks my name and asked what I am doing in (states name of system) and tells me to back out of there NOW. I start backing out, scared to death. As soon as I am out my system goes down. He hangs up. I'm a little shaken up but think it's over. Nope. No luck there. This happens at around 2am.

At 7am, two suits walk in all dressed in black. They looked like the men in black. Sunglasses and all. :unsure: And they go into the Captain's office who comes out within three minutes with a flushed face and tells me not to leave, not even to leave the room until he comes back. :scared0011: It was time for me to be off work so I knew it was about me. I wound up being questioned by these guys (well it truly felt like an interogation.) Then later went in to be questioned by the Captain in front of them. Only later to be questioned by the team of computer nerds who showed up at 10am (their flight was delayed).

I have never been so scared in all of my life. And I had no idea of what I was even looking at in the damned computer. I didnt understand one bit of it. lol.

Well I was falling asleep sitting up and Capt called me in again and I don't remember exactly what the men were saying but I remember Capt saying, "Well it looks to me like she did you guys a favor by figuring out their was a problem in your program." He told me I could go home which they were not happy about. They made a big deal about getting my home address, phone number, and what I drive etc. :huh: As I was leaving our county attorney was coming in with the sheriff.

I found out later that they wanted to prosecute me! :scared0011::cry: The Capt had been in there fighting for me the whole time though. I was new and he didn't know me personally at all so I was a bit suprised. I loved that Capt the rest of my days there (he was a hard core hard ass, nobody else liked him). I have no doubt that I would have went to jail had any other Capt came in before him that morning. He was old school and had no fear of going head to head with higher authority (probaly secretly enjoyed it). Anybody else would have gave in to them.

Needless to say, when I came in for my next shift our program was a bit different. You couldn't back out of our system anymore which is how I ultimately had gotten into theirs. It would shut down if you tried. :laugh: (ps It was probaly months before I was brave enough to actually try it.)

Tyburn
05-14-2011, 05:48 PM
I agree! :laugh:

If only because something similiar happened to me in the 90's when I worked for the sheriff's dept. It was 3rd shift, nothing going on, and I was playing on the computer - which happens to be linked with the FBI, Interpol, and other national security systems. Well the way the thing work just boggled my mind because I had never worked on a system that big. I had worked a little at Boeing and seen some progam work so I decided to take a look at the program. I had NO IDEA that I left our system and went into the national highways.

Oh, I would say about 15 minutes in and my phone rang. I answered and someone asks my name and asked what I am doing in (states name of system) and tells me to back out of there NOW. I start backing out, scared to death. As soon as I am out my system goes down. He hangs up. I'm a little shaken up but think it's over. Nope. No luck there. This happens at around 2am.

At 7am, two suits walk in all dressed in black. They looked like the men in black. Sunglasses and all. :unsure: And they go into the Captain's office who comes out within three minutes with a flushed face and tells me not to leave, not even to leave the room until he comes back. :scared0011: It was time for me to be off work so I knew it was about me. I wound up being questioned by these guys (well it truly felt like an interogation.) Then later went in to be questioned by the Captain in front of them. Only later to be questioned by the team of computer nerds who showed up at 10am (their flight was delayed).

I have never been so scared in all of my life. And I had no idea of what I was even looking at in the damned computer. I didnt understand one bit of it. lol.

Well I was falling asleep sitting up and Capt called me in again and I don't remember exactly what the men were saying but I remember Capt saying, "Well it looks to me like she did you guys a favor by figuring out their was a problem in your program." He told me I could go home which they were not happy about. They made a big deal about getting my home address, phone number, and what I drive etc. :huh: As I was leaving our county attorney was coming in with the sheriff.

I found out later that they wanted to prosecute me! :scared0011::cry: The Capt had been in there fighting for me the whole time though. I was new and he didn't know me personally at all so I was a bit suprised. I loved that Capt the rest of my days there (he was a hard core hard ass, nobody else liked him). I have no doubt that I would have went to jail had any other Capt came in before him that morning. He was old school and had no fear of going head to head with higher authority (probaly secretly enjoyed it). Anybody else would have gave in to them.

Needless to say, when I came in for my next shift our program was a bit different. You couldn't back out of our system anymore which is how I ultimately had gotten into theirs. It would shut down if you tried. :laugh: (ps It was probaly months before I was brave enough to actually try it.)

Denise....:wub:

Cyber Terrorism is punishable by 60 years in a federal prison :laugh::laugh: Its a good job you did that in the 90s...if you'd ave done it after 9/11... :scared0011: I am so glad your superiors supported you!!! :happydancing:

Bonnie
05-14-2011, 05:52 PM
I agree! :laugh:

If only because something similiar happened to me in the 90's when I worked for the sheriff's dept. It was 3rd shift, nothing going on, and I was playing on the computer - which happens to be linked with the FBI, Interpol, and other national security systems. Well the way the thing work just boggled my mind because I had never worked on a system that big. I had worked a little at Boeing and seen some progam work so I decided to take a look at the program. I had NO IDEA that I left our system and went into the national highways.

Oh, I would say about 15 minutes in and my phone rang. I answered and someone asks my name and asked what I am doing in (states name of system) and tells me to back out of there NOW. I start backing out, scared to death. As soon as I am out my system goes down. He hangs up. I'm a little shaken up but think it's over. Nope. No luck there. This happens at around 2am.

At 7am, two suits walk in all dressed in black. They looked like the men in black. Sunglasses and all. :unsure: And they go into the Captain's office who comes out within three minutes with a flushed face and tells me not to leave, not even to leave the room until he comes back. :scared0011: It was time for me to be off work so I knew it was about me. I wound up being questioned by these guys (well it truly felt like an interogation.) Then later went in to be questioned by the Captain in front of them. Only later to be questioned by the team of computer nerds who showed up at 10am (their flight was delayed).

I have never been so scared in all of my life. And I had no idea of what I was even looking at in the damned computer. I didnt understand one bit of it. lol.

Well I was falling asleep sitting up and Capt called me in again and I don't remember exactly what the men were saying but I remember Capt saying, "Well it looks to me like she did you guys a favor by figuring out their was a problem in your program." He told me I could go home which they were not happy about. They made a big deal about getting my home address, phone number, and what I drive etc. :huh: As I was leaving our county attorney was coming in with the sheriff.

I found out later that they wanted to prosecute me! :scared0011::cry: The Capt had been in there fighting for me the whole time though. I was new and he didn't know me personally at all so I was a bit suprised. I loved that Capt the rest of my days there (he was a hard core hard ass, nobody else liked him). I have no doubt that I would have went to jail had any other Capt came in before him that morning. He was old school and had no fear of going head to head with higher authority (probaly secretly enjoyed it). Anybody else would have gave in to them.

Needless to say, when I came in for my next shift our program was a bit different. You couldn't back out of our system anymore which is how I ultimately had gotten into theirs. It would shut down if you tried. :laugh: (ps It was probaly months before I was brave enough to actually try it.)

I was fixing to say, "And how would you know this, missy?!" :Whistle: :laugh:

You're braver than me! I would have been too scared to try and see! :laugh:

rockdawg21
05-14-2011, 06:10 PM
I'll openly admit that I didn't read the article, but he lies to us all the time, that's why you have to take anything he says, not even with a grain of salt, but know that it's complete BS.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
05-14-2011, 06:41 PM
I'll openly admit that I didn't read the article, but he lies to us all the time, that's why you have to take anything he says, not even with a grain of salt, but know that it's complete BS.

THIS!

Tyburn
05-14-2011, 06:51 PM
I'll openly admit that I didn't read the article, but he lies to us all the time, that's why you have to take anything he says, not even with a grain of salt, but know that it's complete BS.

:laugh::applause::laugh:

REMY
05-14-2011, 08:47 PM
Dave, I'm not a fan of Obama but....the title of this thread and the rant you posted is all about how he lied to England .. so I ask again when/how did he lie? All he agreed to was to find a appropriate solution. Please tell me how he lied on this subject?

ufcfan2
05-14-2011, 09:47 PM
Dave, I'm not a fan of Obama but....the title of this thread and the rant you posted is all about how he lied to England .. so I ask again when/how did he lie? All he agreed to was to find a appropriate solution. Please tell me how he lied on this subject?

You see if Obama says 'appropriate solution' its a lie,its gotta be a lie...I mean it says it between the lines, I mean no other politician would ever lie to its people or anyother countries people now would they ;)

Tyburn
05-15-2011, 12:01 AM
Dave, I'm not a fan of Obama but....the title of this thread and the rant you posted is all about how he lied to England .. so I ask again when/how did he lie? All he agreed to was to find a appropriate solution. Please tell me how he lied on this subject?

There are only two solutions

1) Extradite and send him to a US federal Prison for 60 years (or until he committs suicide) This is "No Mr Cameron, we will not let you break a Treaty formed between two completely different Administrations)

OR

2) have him tried under English law (or European if you must) and have him locked up for a much shorter time, closer to home. This is "Yes Mr Cameron, We will let you break a treaty formed between two completely different administrations"

The Answer from the US has been NO...Mr Cameron personally asked Mr Obama...and Obama said "An Appropriate solution" Well...if thats supposed to be different from NO...it must be YES...

The point is...there is NO "Appropriate Solution" to say so...on matters of foreign policy suggests you are willing to negotiate...it doesnt suggest you are being hardliner...not if the appeal comes to you to suggest a different approach other then an emphatic show of American Egocentrism.

Therefore...we are simply holding him to his Word...Where is this Appropriate Solution? Coz if its not "No" and its not "Yes" WTF is it???

shall we just set him adrift at sea...he can then be shared in the space between us...or shall we try and call in a neutral country...Oh Wait...the Rest of Europe arent Neutral...they will vote against us if they hate us...or vote against you if they hate you more then they hate us.

I know...lets send him to China...Hows that for an "appropriate solution" I'm sick to death of Obamas Mouth...it flaps meaningless phrases, with zero substance...it allows him to lie, but be so ambiguous about it, that when and if accused of lies, he'll say he never said anything with Clarity...and thats been the whole epitome of his dissapointing Presidency. Dissapointing to the Americans was the fact the only thing he cared to do was force an illegal bill on a health reform the public dont want...and dissapointing to the rest of the world who had high hopes...but see nothing.

George Bush might have been wrong about a few things, and he might not have been the most gifted public speaker...but he did what he did with a passion and a belief it was right. He let it be known exactly what he wanted. He would Veto Congress everytime they changed their mind, and he would ignore the public if they acted fickle also...he was a man of action, whilst I dont aggree with all the action he took, at least America seemed to be moving...seemed to be doing something other then splashing around warm fuzzy patriotic statements, basking in the bloody brilliance of investors in people, having ellected a non white American, talking of change, appologising to everyone who has wronged you, and still maltreating the friends that supported you...forgetting the parts of the country that need your aid...but aiding the poor palistinians who even the other arab countries wont move to save.

He doesnt even have a descent manifesto. Bush might have been damn frighteneing with his neo-conservatist "The New America For The Twentifirst Century" but in his Double Office, things happened. The only think happening to the world since the Dawn of Barack Obama is downright frustration.

Sorry if you find the above offensive. But you have a guy with next to no experience in congress as your President, and a guy with no military background as Chief of your armed forces...and he is the most powerful person on the planet...so ironically, that effects us all, not just Americans.

He does a weekly blog, and for the past five weeks its been on clean energy and oil...he's failed to talk about the Government Shut down, he's failed to talk about the Texan Wildfires, He's failed to talk about the Alabaman Hurricanes, He hasnt mentioned his State Visit to England. In short...he's repeated the same thing over five consecutive weeks...something few people even care about...What does he think that if he says it enough, people will just believe it??

Well I suppose that worked in his Presidential Candidacy didnt it. :sad:

As far as im concerned he Lied...at best he deliberately mislead, or didnt think it a big deal enough to comment with clarity and knowledge. I've been to war with my local council for less.

REMY
05-15-2011, 12:58 AM
Sooo just to clarify he didn't lie. K wanted to make sure.

Dave again I'm not a fan of Obama BUT you have to realize he's a politician he can't come outright with a Yes or No on this subject. When politicians speak on tough subjects where theyy can't say yes or no they give a answer like Obama's. EVERY politician from JFK to Bush to Obama to the queen of England does/did this. The sooner you realize ALL politicians are alike the better off you will be. Again I'm a Republican but I have no problems saying bush gave these same answers at times.

ufcfan2
05-15-2011, 10:19 AM
Sooo just to clarify he didn't lie. K wanted to make sure.

Dave again I'm not a fan of Obama BUT you have to realize he's a politician he can't come outright with a Yes or No on this subject. When politicians speak on tough subjects where theyy can't say yes or no they give a answer like Obama's. EVERY politician from JFK to Bush to Obama to the queen of England does/did this. The sooner you realize ALL politicians are alike the better off you will be. Again I'm a Republican but I have no problems saying bush gave these same answers at times.

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