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Miss Foxy
05-04-2011, 05:52 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_geronimo
WASHINGTON The top staffer for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee is objecting to the U.S. military's use of the code name "Geronimo" for Osama bin Laden during the raid that killed the al-Qaida leader.

Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century who spent many years fighting the Mexican and U.S. armies until his surrender in 1886.

Loretta Tuell, staff director and chief counsel for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, said Tuesday it was inappropriate to link Geronimo, whom she called "one of the greatest Native American heroes," with one of the most hated enemies of the United States.

"These inappropriate uses of Native American icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to Native and non-Native children are devastating," Tuell said.

Tuell is a member of the Nez Perce tribe and grew on the tribe's reservation in Idaho. The Senate Indian Affairs panel had previously scheduled a hearing for Thursday on racial stereotypes of native people. Tuell said the use of Geronimo in the bin Laden raid will be discussed.

Steven Newcomb, a columnist for the weekly newspaper Indian Country Today, criticized what he called a disrespectful use of a name revered by many Native Americans.

"Apparently, having an African-American president in the White House is not enough to overturn the more than 200-year American tradition of treating and thinking of Indians as enemies of the United States," Newcomb wrote.

After bin Laden was killed, the military sent a message back to the White House: "Geronimo EKIA" enemy killed in action.

"It's another attempt to label Native Americans as terrorists," said Paula Antoine of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe in South Dakota.

A White House spokesman referred questions about the code name to the Pentagon. A Defense Department spokeswoman declined to comment.

Jefferson Keel, president of National Congress of American Indians, the largest organization representing American Indians and Alaska Natives, said, "Osama bin Laden was a shared enemy."

Keel said that since 2001, 77 American Indians and Alaskan Natives have died defending the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq. More than 400 have been wounded.

Miss Foxy
05-04-2011, 05:52 PM
If it's not one thing it's the other. Who cares what the operation was called it's done and over!

rockdawg21
05-04-2011, 05:54 PM
I'm 1/8 Sioux Indian, not offended. If anything, this guy should be proud that Geronimo is recognized as a cultural icon. Sounds like a stupid attempt to get his 20 minutes of fame.

Spiritwalker
05-04-2011, 06:16 PM
I'm 1/8 Sioux Indian, not offended. If anything, this guy should be proud that Geronimo is recognized as a cultural icon. Sounds like a stupid attempt to get his 20 minutes of fame.


I am about the same.. I can legit trace my linage back to the Lakota Sioux... Not offended...

But if we are going to be picking nits....

Geronimo was an American/Mexican name for the specific native.. who's name I can't remember right now.. but the English translation of THAT names was.. "The Yawning One".. so maybe us Americans should be offended that the name of the operation was named after a guy that yawned alot..

Tyburn
05-04-2011, 06:21 PM
:laugh::laugh:

There have been many crimes committed against the Native Indian population of North America. They have been hunted, they have had their ancestral homes stolen from them, they have been rounded up, they have been made slaves, they have practically been wiped out.

...in light of all the above which took place as soon as the new world was discovered, and didnt end to the abolition of the slave trade...I really DONT think the US missuse of the name is really a big deal.

Surely anyone who is still a member of those tribes would see in light of some of the really shocking things that both british settlers, and early americans did...the crime of calling a project by the same name as an Apache, really isnt comparable.

I do kinda feel sorry for the native indian tribes though...in terms of history, they were collectively one of the largest civilizations on the planet, and noone really seems to care about what happened to them....you know they were REALLY primative...you're talking something prehistoric almost...but even so...they had traditions, and skills, and rituals....it wasnt right what we did to them IMHO :unsure-1:

rearnakedchoke
05-04-2011, 06:24 PM
they should be offended ... they used the wrong term ... they should used this one .. cuz the mission got rid of a huge pain in the ass

http://asset0.wellmedia.ca/images/large/products/lakota-back-pain-roll-on_1227887904_LRG.jpg

BamaGrits84
05-04-2011, 06:33 PM
If Obama apologizes for this I'm gonna puke.

What is wrong with the people in our nation? They acts like pansies! Our feelings are hurt whaaaawhaaaa. These people have the political version of munchausen syndrome.

Spiritwalker
05-04-2011, 06:33 PM
they should be offended ... they used the wrong term ... they should used this one .. cuz the mission got rid of a huge pain in the ass

http://asset0.wellmedia.ca/images/large/products/lakota-back-pain-roll-on_1227887904_LRG.jpg



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Nice!

Miss Foxy
05-04-2011, 06:42 PM
It sucks what happened to the Natives however just like the blacks it's time to turn the page and go forward. Everyone here in the US whether entering illegally or legally has had a struggle. It's so tiring that everything is such a pity party all the time with someone always getting their feelings hurt.. I am hella annoyed..:angry:

Spiritwalker
05-04-2011, 06:42 PM
If Obama apologizes for this I'm gonna puke.

What is wrong with the people in our nation? They acts like pansies! Our feelings are hurt whaaaawhaaaa. These people have the political version of munchausen syndrome.


whoa there kemo sabe..."These people?".. people in general do this stuff.. and very rarely do Natives speak out.. granted this one is pretty stupid to complain about.. when the name is used in movies and other "less important" things/events...I bet no one gets that joke...:wink:

Tyburn
05-04-2011, 06:45 PM
If Obama apologizes for this I'm gonna puke.

What is wrong with the people in our nation? They acts like pansies! Our feelings are hurt whaaaawhaaaa. These people have the political version of munchausen syndrome.

out of interest....Do they see themselves as part of your Nation :huh: I heard that the Federal Government gives them some land almost with some type of provincial rule? I presume from the map that all land falls in some recongized state...but that bits of land, within some States are self rulled by remaining tribes...who...one supposes...still live and worship like their ancestors did :blink:

I dont know...like I say...you never hear anything about North American Native Indians anymore...

Spiritwalker
05-04-2011, 06:56 PM
out of interest....Do they see themselves as part of your Nation :huh: I heard that the Federal Government gives them some land almost with some type of provincial rule? I presume from the map that all land falls in some recongized state...but that bits of land, within some States are self rulled by remaining tribes...who...one supposes...still live and worship like their ancestors did :blink:

I dont know...like I say...you never hear anything about North American Native Indians anymore...


Yes and no...

Reservations are exemept from many federal/state laws.. but also do not receive a lot of state/federal funding... which is why you see so many casinos and tourists buying booze and smokes on Indian land...

When you go on to a reservation you see the same things as you do in major areas.. slums.. and the rich getting richer off the people that aren't rich..

There is very little left of traditional native lifestyles.

BamaGrits84
05-04-2011, 07:03 PM
out of interest....Do they see themselves as part of your Nation :huh: I heard that the Federal Government gives them some land almost with some type of provincial rule? I presume from the map that all land falls in some recongized state...but that bits of land, within some States are self rulled by remaining tribes...who...one supposes...still live and worship like their ancestors did :blink:

I dont know...like I say...you never hear anything about North American Native Indians anymore...

This organization made a public statement putting their 2 cents in on a national security mission so if they do not consider themselves a part of America they can pack up and head over to Pthe middle east where I am sure their anit American fit throwing will fit in somewhere. In response I say we take the indian reserves, sell them to coorporate America and let someone build on that land that will pay taxes.

You see indian reserves get protection by the government without having to support it. I'm with Foxy that this is like the slavery issue. We provide them something at the cost of today's tax payers of crap today's taxpayers don't have JACK to do with. yeah we took there land. such is the history of the world. We are not the only country who did it. Your own land has been taken by force a multiple occassions I'm sure. Do you have folks from the Roman Empire making snide remarks about the cost of the royal wedding?

Spiritwalker
05-04-2011, 07:07 PM
:applause:


This organization made a public statement putting their 2 cents in on a national security mission so if they do not consider themselves a part of America they can pack up and head over to Pthe middle east where I am sure their anit American fit throwing will fit in somewhere. In response I say we take the indian reserves, sell them to coorporate America and let someone build on that land that will pay taxes.

You see indian reserves get protection by the government without having to support it. I'm with Foxy that this is like the slavery issue. We provide them something at the cost of today's tax payers of crap today's taxpayers don't have JACK to do with. yeah we took there land. such is the history of the world. We are not the only country who did it. Your own land has been taken by force a multiple occassions I'm sure. Do you have folks from the Roman Empire making snide remarks about the cost of the royal wedding?

Miss Foxy
05-04-2011, 07:15 PM
This organization made a public statement putting their 2 cents in on a national security mission so if they do not consider themselves a part of America they can pack up and head over to Pthe middle east where I am sure their anit American fit throwing will fit in somewhere. In response I say we take the indian reserves, sell them to coorporate America and let someone build on that land that will pay taxes.

You see indian reserves get protection by the government without having to support it. I'm with Foxy that this is like the slavery issue. We provide them something at the cost of today's tax payers of crap today's taxpayers don't have JACK to do with. yeah we took there land. such is the history of the world. We are not the only country who did it. Your own land has been taken by force a multiple occassions I'm sure. Do you have folks from the Roman Empire making snide remarks about the cost of the royal wedding?

WORD!

TexasRN
05-05-2011, 01:37 AM
I'd be ok with them using my name for code next time to keep from offending anyone. Somehow "Operation Amy" just doesn't sound scary though..... :laugh:


~Amy

VCURamFan
05-05-2011, 01:41 AM
I'd be ok with them using my name for code next time to keep from offending anyone. Somehow "Operation Amy" just doesn't sound scary though..... :laugh:


~Amy

Are you kidding my? I'm scared $h!tless!! :ninja: :laugh:

TexasRN
05-05-2011, 01:47 AM
Are you kidding my? I'm scared $h!tless!! :ninja: :laugh:



:angry:



Who am I kidding?:laugh:




~Amy

flo
05-05-2011, 02:05 AM
they should be offended ... they used the wrong term ... they should used this one .. cuz the mission got rid of a huge pain in the ass

http://asset0.wellmedia.ca/images/large/products/lakota-back-pain-roll-on_1227887904_LRG.jpg

:laugh::laugh:

Nice 'shop!

Bonnie
05-05-2011, 03:48 AM
It's done now, but I see nothing wrong with them bringing it up so that in the future using Indian names can be avoided. If we HAVE TO BE aware and "sensitive" at all times to the feelings of every freaking muslim in the world today, I see no reason why we shouldn't take into consideration the concerns and feelings of our Native American brethren!

Whose body was just washed and draped with traditional words spoken in order to be "sensitive" to muslim ritual and tradition!

Just saying...

NateR
05-05-2011, 04:08 AM
I get tired of reading modern revisionist history on the Native Americans. Many of those tribes were extremely violent and brutal and we really did the world a favor by removing those cultures from the Earth. Of course, that doesn't justify our actions against the more peaceful tribes, but people forget that there were good guys and bad guys on both sides of the American/Native American conflict.

Anyways, this is such a non-story.

rockdawg21
05-05-2011, 02:25 PM
Maybe to help appease them, they can call the next operation "Operation Round Eyes".
If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton decide to use this as another reason to complain about whites, we can call the next one "Operation Honkies" or "Operation Crackers".

ufcfan2
05-05-2011, 03:55 PM
Maybe to help appease them, they can call the next operation "Operation Round Eyes".
If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton decide to use this as another reason to complain about whites, we can call the next one "Operation Honkies" or "Operation Crackers".

:happydancing:

Spiritwalker
05-05-2011, 04:20 PM
I get tired of reading modern revisionist history on the Native Americans. Many of those tribes were extremely violent and brutal and we really did the world a favor by removing those cultures from the Earth. Of course, that doesn't justify our actions against the more peaceful tribes, but people forget that there were good guys and bad guys on both sides of the American/Native American conflict.

Anyways, this is such a non-story.

But it was an extremely violent and brutal way to live in those days.. and the US Governement didn't exactly come in with "warm fuzzies"...We came in and took what was theirs..or made deals....and in many cases went back no the deals...and they fought back..


What revisionist history do you mean? Anything specific?

many of the plains natives were "farmers" to a degree.. the buffalo was hunted of course... and there were many tribes that fought with others.. some wars were just.. and some unjust.. kinda like what we see in the modern world.

Spiritwalker
05-05-2011, 04:21 PM
Maybe to help appease them, they can call the next operation "Operation Round Eyes".
If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton decide to use this as another reason to complain about whites, we can call the next one "Operation Honkies" or "Operation Crackers".

:laugh:

rearnakedchoke
05-05-2011, 05:57 PM
:laugh::laugh:

Nice 'shop!

it's an actual pain relief product they sell up here in canada ... i guess they don't sell it in the US ... i have never used it, so don't know if it works ..

County Mike
05-05-2011, 06:46 PM
Smoke a peace pipe and get over it.

Neezar
05-05-2011, 10:30 PM
Maybe to help appease them, they can call the next operation "Operation Round Eyes".
If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton decide to use this as another reason to complain about whites, we can call the next one "Operation Honkies" or "Operation Crackers".

*gaSp*

Tyburn
05-05-2011, 10:47 PM
yeah we took there land. such is the history of the world. We are not the only country who did it. Your own land has been taken by force a multiple occassions I'm sure. Do you have folks from the Roman Empire making snide remarks about the cost of the royal wedding?

:laugh::laugh:

I'm all for Imperialism...and yes, we were invaded Thrice in terms of Cultural exclusion of Natives...most notably the Viking, Roman and Norman Conquests are most notable. The Vikings were sea raiders and looted and pillaged...the Romans swept through in a Military capacity but never really conqured the whole island...and the Normans claimed they were rightful heirs of the English Throne and they Assassinated the King, and conqured in almost a completely political manner (only a few battles were fought)

The difference is...all of those are dead...and the grave doesnt talk :wink:

Tyburn
05-05-2011, 10:55 PM
I get tired of reading modern revisionist history on the Native Americans. Many of those tribes were extremely violent and brutal and we really did the world a favor by removing those cultures from the Earth. Of course, that doesn't justify our actions against the more peaceful tribes, but people forget that there were good guys and bad guys on both sides of the American/Native American conflict.

Anyways, this is such a non-story.

Ethnic Clensing is never justified Nathan. Its a nasty by-product of Imperialism, that one should feel remorse for. If it was their land, they had the right to be as violent and brutal as they like. That is their freedom as a culture with ancient claims to the land.

I cant speak about what the Americans did to the Natives with any certainty...but I do know, and can tell you with accuracy exactly what the British Settlers tried to do.

Mindue...niether the British nor the Americans were a shade on The Spanish. At least we could claim we were defending ourselves against hostile nations, that were very primative.

The Spanish massicred whole nations that they feigned peaceful political relations with, and these were not primative tribes that Earth wouldnt miss, these were well equipped and hugely successful cities and towns with large monumental structures that mirrored the sky.

Plus...to the best of my knowledge, whilst the US can claim it has reservations for its Natives...I dont see an "incan Reservation" in Peru...do you :huh:


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