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rockdawg21
05-03-2011, 02:26 PM
So, Mr. Obama, this is proof that waterboarding DOES work. How ironic - he closes GITMO down because it's "inhumane", then 2 years later comes on national television practically bragging as if he were the one who pulled the trigger; without the "inhumane" treatment of professional murderers :rolleyes:, Osama Bin Laden would likely still be alive. This all started with Bush so Obama can suck it.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.courier/index.html?iref=allsearch
Courier who led U.S. to Osama bin Laden's hideout identified
By Elise Labott and Tim Lister, CNN
May 3, 2011 9:19 a.m. EDT

(CNN) -- A diplomatic source told CNN that the courier who was in close contact with Osama bin Laden and who eventually led the United States to him was a Kuwaiti named Abu Ahmad.

U.S. officials have said that when the identity of the courier -- who they have not named -- was established in 2007 the U.S. began a path to the house in Abbottabad, Pakistan, where the al Qaeda leader was living.

Analysis of assessments of detainees held at the U.S. Navy's detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, include several mentions of a man by the name of Abu Ahmad al Kuwaiti, who was reportedly close to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- also a Kuwaiti.

The information on the detainee assessments came from U.S. Defense Department documents published by WikiLeaks.

Since the operation that killed bin Laden, U.S. officials have described the courier they were tracking as a protege of Mohammed and another senior member of al Qaeda, Abu Faraj al Libi, a Libyan detainee who was named as al Qaeda's third most senior leader when he was captured in May 2005.

Bin Laden killing caps decade-long manhunt

One assessment -- compiled in October 2008 -- concerns a Saudi citizen called Maad al Qathani, the man who was intended to be the "20th hijacker" on 9/11 but who failed to gain entry to the United States.

It said: "Detainee is associated with other key al-Qaida members including senior operations planners Khalid Shaykh Muhammad."

The document later said that al Qathani "received computer training from al-Qaida member Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti in preparation for his mission to the U.S."

Al Kuwaiti was then "a senior al Qaeda facilitator and subordinate" of Mohammed. The assessment added: "Al-Kuwaiti worked in the al-Qaida media house operated by KU-10024 (Mohammed) in Kandahar and served as a courier."

No obvious replacement to succeed bin Laden as al Qaeda's leader

Al Qathani reportedly spent about three months in basic training with al Qaeda from December 2000 to February 2001 when he was introduced to bin Laden.

Establishing al Qathani's association with Mohammed, the assessment continued: "Detainee stated UBL told him that since he (detainee) loved to serve his religion, he must go to KU-10024, who will ask him to "do things." It was the first of several encounters with the al Qaeda leader, to whom al Qathani swore a personal oath of allegiance.

The document established that al Kuwaiti was close to bin Laden and traveled with him.

"Al-Kuwaiti was seen in Tora Bora and it is possible al-Kuwaiti was one of the individuals detainee reported accompanying UBL in Tora Bora prior to UBL's disappearance," it says.

In an assessment of al Qathani's intelligence value, the document noted that he "had access to the inner circles of al-Qaida through his interactions with senior al-Qaida members including UBL, (Ayman al-) Zawahiri, KU-10024 (Mohammed) and others."

Al-Zawahiri was al Qaeda's No. 2 man under bin Laden.

Another detainee assessment also mentioned al Kuwaiti. It was of an Indonesian member of al Qaeda called Riduan Isomuddin, who had spent nearly two years in the 1980s fighting jihad in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

He also knew Mohammed, according to the assessment, which said that "in November 2001, detainee and his wife left Kandahar for Karachi. They stayed at the Abu Ahmad al Kuwaiti guest house for two weeks."

Al Qaeda operated a network of guest houses (or safe houses) in Afghanistan and Pakistan before and immediately after the 9/11 attacks.

Isomuddin was captured in August 2003 in Thailand by a joint Thai-U.S. operation and is described in the assessment as a "high-value detainee."

CNN has been unable to confirm with U.S. officials the identity of the courier, but several factors point to al Kuwaiti as the courier who inadvertently led the United States to bin Laden's hiding place: al Kuwaiti's reported history with the organization, his access to senior leaders, his description in the Guantanamo assessment as a courier, and the fact that he was never captured.

CNN has been unable to establish whether he was at the compound when U.S. forces staged their raid or whether he was killed in the operation.

BamaGrits84
05-03-2011, 02:30 PM
I wonder what spin he'll put this under? He is gearing up for re-eletion and I can see now that he will find someway to make himself look good for breaking a campaign promise and not closing it and then take credit for Osama. Makes me sick already.

rockdawg21
05-03-2011, 02:32 PM
I wonder what spin he'll put this under? He is gearing up for re-eletion and I can see now that he will find someway to make himself look good for breaking a campaign promise and not closing it and then take credit for Osama. Makes me sick already.
The way I see it, he'll decide that they already had the information they needed to locate Osama and that's they "real" reason why GITMO was closed, but of course, this information couldn't be released until after Osama was found.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
05-03-2011, 10:39 PM
The Democrat's are already denying that water boarding had anything to do with it! Their scared that water boarding may actually help!

Buzzard
05-04-2011, 12:33 AM
So, Mr. Obama, this is proof that waterboarding DOES work. How ironic - he closes GITMO down because it's "inhumane", then 2 years later comes on national television practically bragging as if he were the one who pulled the trigger; without the "inhumane" treatment of professional murderers :rolleyes:, Osama Bin Laden would likely still be alive. This all started with Bush so Obama can suck it.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.courier/index.html?iref=allsearch

Where does it say anything about water-boarding? Oh yeah, it doesn't. Can you link me to where it states that water-boarding was how this information was obtained please. I'd like to read it for myself.

BamaGrits84
05-04-2011, 01:40 AM
Where does it say anything about water-boarding? Oh yeah, it doesn't. Can you link me to where it states that water-boarding was how this information was obtained please. I'd like to read it for myself.

Do you think they tickled intel our of them?

I wouldn't care if they shoved wooden skews under their finger nails and cut their eye lids off (Vietman used these on US soliders). I don't want my national security to be based on how humane we can be to people who will strap a bomb to baby as soon as they learn how to walk and send them towards a US base.

rockdawg21
05-04-2011, 02:10 AM
Where does it say anything about water-boarding? Oh yeah, it doesn't. Can you link me to where it states that water-boarding was how this information was obtained please. I'd like to read it for myself.
LOL, I know you like to argue Buzzard, but it is a well-known fact that we used waterboarding and other tactics such as sleep deprivation, starvation, etc. to get information from the detainees; which is the basis for why GITMO was shut down because although these people wanted to kill us, what we were doing to them is "inhumane" :rolleyes:.

Do you honestly believe the guy cooperated from the beginning?

Buzzard
05-04-2011, 02:23 AM
LOL, I know you like to argue Buzzard, but it is a well-known fact that we used waterboarding and other tactics such as sleep deprivation, starvation, etc. to get information from the detainees; which is the basis for why GITMO was shut down because although these people wanted to kill us, what we were doing to them is "inhumane" :rolleyes:.

Do you honestly believe the guy cooperated from the beginning?

That's not what I said. You claimed waterboarding was how we did it. I asked for proof. C'mon, you guys kept asking for proof of Obama's birth certificate, surely you can provide it. Just don't wait 2 years.:wink:

BamaGrits84
05-04-2011, 02:33 AM
That's not what I said. You claimed waterboarding was how we did it. I asked for proof. C'mon, you guys kept asking for proof of Obama's birth certificate, surely you can provide it. Just don't wait 2 years.:wink:

I'm interested to know how you think the info was obtained. Waterboarding was suggested, but you seem to think it wasn't. So how to you figure the interrogations went?

rockdawg21
05-04-2011, 02:42 AM
That's not what I said. You claimed waterboarding was how we did it. I asked for proof. C'mon, you guys kept asking for proof of Obama's birth certificate, surely you can provide it. Just don't wait 2 years.:wink:
Buzzard is being literal again. :laugh:

I'll answer it when you make the list. :wink: