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Black Mamba
03-10-2009, 01:09 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_stem_cells

As someone who will go into research if the medical field doesn't work, then I'm interested to see how all this is going to mesh. Part of me is stoked to see this happen because of the strong potential impact this will have on people who are suffering. I am all for finding cures, especially since some things hit close to home. But I do hope this doesn't get too crazy.

huan
03-10-2009, 02:36 AM
More disgusting rubbish from the Obama administration. The fact is that embryonic stem cells can be gathered from umbilical cord blood, which is completely ethical and does not require ending the life of a baby.

Harvesting human beings in a petri dish for embryonic stem cell research is nothing short of murder.

rockdawg21
03-10-2009, 02:41 AM
I'm completely against abortion, but if the government is going to allow that crap, we might as well use the stem cells to save others.

The real war should be against the murder of innocents.

TexasRN
03-10-2009, 02:45 AM
More disgusting rubbish from the Obama administration. The fact is that embryonic stem cells can be gathered from umbilical cord blood, which is completely ethical and does not require ending the life of a baby.

Harvesting human beings in a petri dish for embryonic stem cell research is nothing short of murder.


I've said all along that cord blood is just thrown away after most deliveries in the US. Disgusts me the amt of waste there is when we could use all of those stem cells for science and research. Also, there are stem cells in breast milk. There are many resources of great cells to use, no need to harvest from dead babies.


~Amy

NateR
03-10-2009, 02:48 AM
So I guess the hippocratic oath, no longer applies to medicine? Y'know, the part that says, "never do harm to anyone"?

With this kind of research, we are making ourselves more and more like Nazi Germany:

1. The Nazi doctors truly believed that their research was being carried out for the good of humanity. They believed they were ushering in a golden age of health and they would be able to cure every disease and medical disorder.

2. Like modern doctors, the Nazis believed that their test subjects were, in one way or another, less than human.

TexasRN
03-10-2009, 02:55 AM
So I guess the hippocratic oath, no longer applies to medicine? Y'know, the part that says, "never do harm to anyone"?

With this kind of research, we are making ourselves more and more like Nazi Germany:

1. The Nazi doctors truly believed that their research was being carried out for the good of humanity. They believed they were ushering in a golden age of health and they would be able to cure every disease and medical disorder.

2. Like modern doctors, the Nazis believed that their test subjects were, in one way or another, less than human.



And this was signed after he signed that medical professionals could not decide against performing abortions due to their own moral code. Bush signed a law that I was protected by my choice from ever having to perform an abortion and Obama reversed it. Luckily I'll never have to since I won't work for a place that performs them.


~Amy

rockdawg21
03-10-2009, 02:59 AM
So I guess the hippocratic oath, no longer applies to medicine? Y'know, the part that says, "never do harm to anyone"?

With this kind of research, we are making ourselves more and more like Nazi Germany:

1. The Nazi doctors truly believed that their research was being carried out for the good of humanity. They believed they were ushering in a golden age of health and they would be able to cure every disease and medical disorder.

2. Like modern doctors, the Nazis believed that their test subjects were, in one way or another, less than human.
Unfortunately, much of we know today about human anatomy and many cures/surgeries are a result of Dr. Josef Mengele and his research/sadistic beliefs.

atomdanger
03-10-2009, 03:00 AM
So I guess the hippocratic oath, no longer applies to medicine? Y'know, the part that says, "never do harm to anyone"?

With this kind of research, we are making ourselves more and more like Nazi Germany:

1. The Nazi doctors truly believed that their research was being carried out for the good of humanity. They believed they were ushering in a golden age of health and they would be able to cure every disease and medical disorder.

2. Like modern doctors, the Nazis believed that their test subjects were, in one way or another, less than human.

In fairness, Joseph Mengele learned a lot lol

ok, poor taste with that joke, but still.

NateR
03-10-2009, 03:03 AM
And this was signed after he signed that medical professionals could not decide against performing abortions due to their own moral code. Bush signed a law that I was protected by my choice from ever having to perform an abortion and Obama reversed it. Luckily I'll never have to since I won't work for a place that performs them.

~Amy

I read about that and I can't describe how angry it made me. Honestly, I had trouble believing it and, if it is true, then it's really good evidence that President Obama is 100% pure evil. The government can't force a doctor or nurse to commit an act that they consider murder. That's sickening. What kind of country does Obama think that he was elected the President of?

NateR
03-10-2009, 03:05 AM
In fairness, Joseph Mengele learned a lot lol

ok, poor taste with that joke, but still.

Considering that nearly all of my dad's family was exterminated in Auschwitz, then 'yes' very poor taste.

rockdawg21
03-10-2009, 03:05 AM
I read about that and I can't describe how angry it made me. Honestly, I had trouble believing it and, if it is true, then it's really good evidence that President Obama is 100% pure evil. The government can't force a doctor or nurse to commit an act that they consider murder. That's sickening. What kind of country does Obama think that he was elected the President of?
Russia, China, Cambodia, North Korea, etc. He was already talking about Socialism and Communist policies prior to his election, but 52% of us didn't care or didn't see it. Guess when people wanted "change", they didn't care at what cost.

TexasRN
03-10-2009, 03:06 AM
I read about that and I can't describe how angry it made me. Honestly, I had trouble believing it and, if it is true, then it's really good evidence that President Obama is 100% pure evil. The government can't force a doctor or nurse to commit an act that they consider murder. That's sickening. What kind of country does Obama think that he was elected the President of?


My docs don't do abortions. We save the babies that are high risk and have anomalies. We don't just decide they are unworthy or unwanted and murder them. We keep the pregnancy going as long as possible. I was sooo angry when I heard he signed that law. He will not be able to force me to murder anyone, no matter what their age is.


~Amy

NateR
03-10-2009, 03:06 AM
Unfortunately, much of we know today about human anatomy and many cures/surgeries are a result of Dr. Josef Mengele and his research/sadistic beliefs.

Well, in that case, then the doctors and nurses who administer those cures/surgeries are accessories to murder.

NateR
03-10-2009, 03:07 AM
but 52% of us didn't care or didn't see it.

Or were just too stupid to know any better.

rockdawg21
03-10-2009, 03:08 AM
Well, in that case, then the doctors and nurses who administer those cures/surgeries are accessories to murder.
Well, I wouldn't go that far. That's like saying because Adam and Eve ate the Forbidden Fruit, then I'm born with Original Sin. No offense to Catholics, but it's not my fault they ate the fruit.

NateR
03-10-2009, 03:10 AM
Well, I wouldn't go that far. That's like saying because Adam and Eve ate the Forbidden Fruit, then I'm born with Original Sin. No offense to Catholics, but it's not my fault they ate the fruit.

Actually, that's true. The penalty for Adam's fall is that all humans are born in sin and irredeemable, deserving of nothing but death. So, like it or not, you were born corrupted and sinful just like the rest of us.

rockdawg21
03-10-2009, 03:16 AM
Actually, that's true. The penalty for Adam's fall is that all humans are born in sin and irredeemable, deserving of nothing but death. So, like it or not, you were born corrupted and sinful just like the rest of us.
Never had it described that way. Great explanation!

Chuck
03-10-2009, 04:11 AM
I'm not the least bit surprised... Did you expect anything else from Hussein??

Moose
03-10-2009, 04:13 AM
One of the reasons politics and religion should be separated. I do agree that no doctor or health care professional should be forced to do anything against his or her will.

Neezar
03-10-2009, 04:25 AM
One of the reasons politics and religion should be separated. I do agree that no doctor or health care professional should be forced to do anything against his or her will.

:applause:

Moose
03-10-2009, 04:30 AM
:applause:

Nate, can we work on a bowing emoticon?

NateR
03-10-2009, 04:43 AM
One of the reasons politics and religion should be separated.

Well, I just have two quotes to respond to that:

John Jay (one of the authors of the Declaration of Independence and the first Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court):
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

George Washington (from his Farewell Address to the nation):
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

The Founding Fathers believed that politics needed to go hand-in-hand with religion if liberty and justice were to prevail. That was the whole philosophy that America was founded upon.

I think our problem now is that politics and religion have been separated for too long.

atomdanger
03-10-2009, 05:12 AM
Considering that nearly all of my dad's family was exterminated in Auschwitz, then 'yes' very poor taste.

You're Jewish?

NateR
03-10-2009, 05:14 AM
You're Jewish?

At least 50%. :)

Moose
03-10-2009, 05:22 AM
I think our problem now is that politics and religion have been separated for too long.

I disagree. Neoconservatism is dead and dying.