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rockdawg21
03-22-2011, 07:36 PM
This is an update to this thread: Schools taking allergy precautions too far? (http://www.matt-hughes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7271)

The parents are fighting back, good for them! 650+ students shouldn't have to suffer because of 1 students' problems, that's BS.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42212235/ns/health-allergies_and_asthma/?GT1=43001
School parents want girl with peanut allergy sent home
First-graders in Florida school required to wash hands, rinse out their mouths before entering classroom

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updated 2 hours 11 minutes ago

ORLANDO, Florida Some public school parents in Edgewater, Florida, want a first-grade girl with life-threatening peanut allergies removed from the classroom and home-schooled, rather than deal with special rules to protect her health, a school official said.

"That was one of the suggestions that kept coming forward from parents, to have her home schooled. But we're required by federal law to provide accommodations. That's just not even an option for us," said Nancy Wait, spokeswoman for the Volusia County School District.

Wait said the 6-year-old's peanut allergy is so severe it is considered a disability under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

To protect the girl, students in her class at Edgewater Elementary School are required to wash their hands before entering the classroom in the morning and after lunch, and rinse out their mouths, Wait said, and a peanut-sniffing dog checked out the school during last week's spring break.

Wait said school leaders will meet this week with parents to address concerns and try to halt inaccurate rumors that children's mouths were being wiped with disinfectant.

Chris Burr, a father of two older students at the school whose wife has protested at the campus, said a lot of small accommodations have added up to frustration for many parents.

"If I had a daughter who had a problem, I would not ask everyone else to change their lives to fit my life," said Burr.

Attempts to reach the girl's parents for comment on Monday were unsuccessful.

Copyright 2011 Thomson Reuters.

flo
03-22-2011, 08:21 PM
Common sense prevails.

The thing that I found most absurd was the peanut-sniffing dog.

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

I'm glad you posted the update, rockdawg, I often think "what happened with that story?" and it's great to know that parents got together and made some noise.

rockdawg21
03-22-2011, 08:41 PM
Common sense prevails.

The thing that I found most absurd was the peanut-sniffing dog.

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

I'm glad you posted the update, rockdawg, I often think "what happened with that story?" and it's great to know that parents got together and made some noise.
If I were in that school, I'd of smuggled peanuts in coffee grounds.

BamaGrits84
03-22-2011, 10:24 PM
I don't remember the original story saying what grade it was which was something I was wondering. I have a child that age and knowing how he is I can knowingly say that with so much risk being involved there is no way this girl could be in public schools. 6 and 7 years old don't listen very well. You could tell those kids 100 times but i bet one will eventually sneak in reese cups or a snickers. then what? these parents are banking on a bunch of 1st graders follwing a dozen rules to keep thier daughter safe? i don't care what the school does unless they get a peanut detector installed and go to airport style security she will be at risk. so forget what the school has to do, it is too much to expect the children to keep up with.

NateR
03-22-2011, 10:35 PM
I was thinking that the parents of non-allergic kids should organize several "Bring a peanut butter sandwich to school" days, when the students AND their parents all bring unwrapped peanut butter sandwiches to the school to force this girl to go home for the day (or announce it ahead of time so she doesn't even go to school that day). Keep doing this day after day until the girl's parents withdraw her from the school and look for other education options.

It sounds cruel, but the entire school of 600+ kids shouldn't be forced to conform themselves to this one girl's disability. Sure the parents might compare it to building a ramp for a wheelchair-bound kid; but that's not an accurate comparison at all. This is more along the lines of building ramps for the school, removing all the stairs, and forcing every student to use wheelchairs while they are on school property.

Tyburn
03-22-2011, 10:49 PM
I was thinking that the parents of non-allergic kids should organize several "Bring a peanut butter sandwich to school" days, when the students AND their parents all bring unwrapped peanut butter sandwiches to the school to force this girl to go home for the day
It sounds cruel,

You do realize that anaphylactic shock kills dont you Nathan?? Cruel is not the word I Would have used

All of you have spent your entire arguments on your own selfish thoughts about utilitarian principles surrounding a group of students. What you should really note is the fact that its in the best interest of the sufferer not to be put in the danger in the first place FOR HER OWN SAKE...but you all complain about the lengths the other kids, who are in NO danger at all, have to go through.

TO the extent of..."lets force the sufferer to have an allergic reaction so she leaves us alone" that is morally bankrupt!! lets all get together a shower a pupil in peanuts, lets all bring in peanut butter sandwhiches?!? that could KILL.

Forearmed with that knowledge, any idiot who took your advice would be guilty of murder. Knowingly doing something that will get someone else killed so they can live as they want. Remind you of a certain Israelite King?

Miss Foxy
03-22-2011, 10:51 PM
You do realize that anaphylactic shock kills dont you Nathan?? Cruel is not the word I Would have used

All of you have spent your entire arguments on your own selfish thoughts about utilitarian principles surrounding a group of students. What you should really note is the fact that its in the best interest of the sufferer not to be put in the danger in the first place FOR HER OWN SAKE...but you all complain about the lengths the other kids, who are in NO danger at all, have to go through.

TO the extent of..."lets force the sufferer to have an allergic reaction so she leaves us alone" that is morally bankrupt!! lets all get together a shower a pupil in peanuts, lets all bring in peanut butter sandwhiches?!? that could KILL.

Forearmed with that knowledge, any idiot who took your advice would be guilty of murder. Knowingly doing something that will get someone else killed so they can live as they want. Remind you of a certain Israelite King?

I agree!!! The childs safety is ultimately the priority so even if home school is the best I can agree, however this child is not the enemy. I would never wish half of these suggestions on my worst enemy. That child could die to knowingly do something in spite is a bunch of garbage.

BamaGrits84
03-22-2011, 11:01 PM
You do realize that anaphylactic shock kills dont you Nathan?? Cruel is not the word I Would have used

All of you have spent your entire arguments on your own selfish thoughts about utilitarian principles surrounding a group of students. What you should really note is the fact that its in the best interest of the sufferer not to be put in the danger in the first place FOR HER OWN SAKE...but you all complain about the lengths the other kids, who are in NO danger at all, have to go through.

TO the extent of..."lets force the sufferer to have an allergic reaction so she leaves us alone" that is morally bankrupt!! lets all get together a shower a pupil in peanuts, lets all bring in peanut butter sandwhiches?!? that could KILL.

Forearmed with that knowledge, any idiot who took your advice would be guilty of murder. Knowingly doing something that will get someone else killed so they can live as they want. Remind you of a certain Israelite King?

ALL OF YOU - selfish? I thought that was what happened when the demands of 1 got put above everyone else. You have misused this word. But I do think it is very selfish of her parents to put the school and other kids through this when homeschooling their child would be best for HER!

And I never said to force a reactions on the poor girl, but 6 and 7 year old do not normally understand the seriousness of these type of situations which is exactly why I think regardless of what the SCHOOL does, the health of the little girl depending on 6 and 7 year old following the steps to keep their classmate safe is foolish.

Tyburn
03-22-2011, 11:36 PM
ALL OF YOU - selfish? I thought that was what happened when the demands of 1 got put above everyone else.

I didnt mean Selfish as in only caring about yourself...I meant Selfish as in only caring about the majority. Utilitarian Principles...is an ethical stream of thought summed up beautifully as "the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few" What should be done, is what brings happiness to the most number of people.

In this case a Utilitarian would have said more or less, word for word, Nathans post.

But this can also have a dire, dire effect on the minority...worryingly of all, its largest application is either in Government, or, even worse, in Military Strategy.

Libya is a prime example. The premise is that one should do what brings the best to the most. Well, most people want to be free of Gaddafi...so its alright to Bomb those who might or might not be innocent, but associated with him...because they are a minority.

Similarly, it can be extended to situations that lead to military personnel being "expendable" because of the "Greater Good" I was talking more about everyones insistance on using that ethical system at the expense of first trying to sort out the actual victim so to speak

sorry for the confusion :)

flo
03-22-2011, 11:38 PM
Sure the parents might compare it to building a ramp for a wheelchair-bound kid; but that's not an accurate comparison at all. This is more along the lines of building ramps for the school, removing all the stairs, and forcing every student to use wheelchairs while they are on school property.

Great analogy.

flo
03-22-2011, 11:41 PM
You do realize that anaphylactic shock kills dont you Nathan?? Cruel is not the word I Would have used

All of you have spent your entire arguments on your own selfish thoughts about utilitarian principles surrounding a group of students. What you should really note is the fact that its in the best interest of the sufferer not to be put in the danger in the first place FOR HER OWN SAKE...but you all complain about the lengths the other kids, who are in NO danger at all, have to go through.

TO the extent of..."lets force the sufferer to have an allergic reaction so she leaves us alone" that is morally bankrupt!! lets all get together a shower a pupil in peanuts, lets all bring in peanut butter sandwhiches?!? that could KILL.

Forearmed with that knowledge, any idiot who took your advice would be guilty of murder. Knowingly doing something that will get someone else killed so they can live as they want. Remind you of a certain Israelite King?

Oh please. I'm sure Nate was being ironic.

This situation can be easily resolved by home schooling.

flo
03-22-2011, 11:46 PM
ALL OF YOU - selfish? I thought that was what happened when the demands of 1 got put above everyone else.

Exactly. Well, Great Britain and France have been kowtowing to certain minorities at the expense of their majorities. Hasn't worked out real well, has it?

flo
03-22-2011, 11:50 PM
The left loves using the meme that we Republicans "don't care". Nothing could be further from the truth. Our caring isn't wrapped up in political correctness (or prospective votes), it's compassion mixed with common sense and fairness, IMO.

NateR
03-23-2011, 12:15 AM
You do realize that anaphylactic shock kills dont you Nathan?? Cruel is not the word I Would have used

All of you have spent your entire arguments on your own selfish thoughts about utilitarian principles surrounding a group of students. What you should really note is the fact that its in the best interest of the sufferer not to be put in the danger in the first place FOR HER OWN SAKE...but you all complain about the lengths the other kids, who are in NO danger at all, have to go through.

TO the extent of..."lets force the sufferer to have an allergic reaction so she leaves us alone" that is morally bankrupt!! lets all get together a shower a pupil in peanuts, lets all bring in peanut butter sandwhiches?!? that could KILL.

Forearmed with that knowledge, any idiot who took your advice would be guilty of murder. Knowingly doing something that will get someone else killed so they can live as they want. Remind you of a certain Israelite King?

I think that depends on the severity of the peanut allergy; but that's why I said they should announce it ahead of time, in order to force the girl to stay home. After enough days of missing school, her parents will be forced to try out different educational alternatives.

There is NOTHING selfish about that. What's selfish is this girl's parents expecting the entire school system to conform to their one child. That's the definition of selfish.

Tyburn
03-23-2011, 12:23 AM
:angry:Exactly. Well, Great Britain and France have been kowtowing to certain minorities at the expense of their majorities. Hasn't worked out real well, has it?

Tyburn
03-23-2011, 12:28 AM
I think that depends on the severity of the peanut allergy; but that's why I said they should announce it ahead of time, in order to force the girl to stay home. After enough days of missing school, her parents will be forced to try out different educational alternatives.


one hopes its survere if they are serious about the extent of procautions within the school...Heck...I am allergic to peanuts...needed an ambulance for my anaphylactic shock...BUT...I dont need the whole of my environment fumigated...I work in a store that sells peanuts for goodness sake

I assume hers is like...sniff dust and die :laugh:

Miss Foxy
03-23-2011, 12:31 AM
The left loves using the meme that we Republicans "don't care". Nothing could be further from the truth. Our caring isn't wrapped up in political correctness (or prospective votes), it's compassion mixed with common sense and fairness, IMO.

Who are the left loves saying that?

flo
03-23-2011, 12:35 AM
:angry:

Oh now...it's just a discussion. You know I love the UK...but their PC way of handling radical islamists has really harmed Britain's "greatness". Not to mention the # of people on the dole cradle to grave.

flo
03-23-2011, 12:43 AM
Who are the left loves saying that?

I know Dave isn't a lib but his response reminded me of the typical liberal accusations against conservatives regarding social issues - that "we just don't care".

Hey, I have a short attention span, what can I say? I'm always drifting off the topic. :wink:

Miss Foxy
03-23-2011, 12:44 AM
I know Dave isn't a lib but his response reminded me of the typical liberal accusations against conservatives regarding social issues - that "we just don't care".

Hey, I have a short attention span, what can I say? I'm always drifting off the topic. :wink:

I heard that..:ninja:

Tyburn
03-23-2011, 12:53 AM
Oh now...it's just a discussion. You know I love the UK...but their PC way of handling radical islamists has really harmed Britain's "greatness". Not to mention the # of people on the dole cradle to grave.

:) You know I love the US also...but those sub prime credit card maxing Americans (few in number) have damaged the greatness of the ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD :laugh:

Have you started your Chinese Lessons yet :unsure-1:

flo
03-23-2011, 01:01 AM
:) You know I love the US also...but those sub prime credit card maxing Americans (few in number) have damaged the greatness of the ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD :laugh:

Have you started your Chinese Lessons yet :unsure-1:

Hardy har har.

:laugh:

Spiritwalker
03-23-2011, 01:19 AM
You do realize that anaphylactic shock kills dont you Nathan?? [/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]Cruel is not the word I Would have used

Nate uses a lot of words you wouldn't use...



All of you have spent your entire arguments on your own selfish thoughts about utilitarian principles surrounding a group of students. What you should really note is the fact that its in the best interest of the sufferer not to be put in the danger in the first place FOR HER OWN SAKE...but you all complain about the lengths the other kids, who are in NO danger at all, have to go through.


Please be careful when you use the phrase "all of you"...

Whiloe I understand Nate's post.. I wouldn't subscribe to it.. and lumping everyone.. with "all of you"....shows that your not paying attention..

Spiritwalker
03-23-2011, 01:21 AM
Exactly. Well, Great Britain and France have been kowtowing to certain minorities at the expense of their majorities. Hasn't worked out real well, has it?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Spiritwalker
03-23-2011, 01:22 AM
The left loves using the meme that we Republicans "don't care". Nothing could be further from the truth. Our caring isn't wrapped up in political correctness (or prospective votes), it's compassion mixed with common sense and fairness, IMO.

Nicely said!

Spiritwalker
03-23-2011, 01:24 AM
:) You know I love the US also...but those sub prime credit card maxing Americans (few in number) have damaged the greatness of the ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD :laugh:

Have you started your Chinese Lessons yet :unsure-1:


I haven't.. but I hear that GB's US English is getting better every day!

rockdawg21
03-23-2011, 05:09 AM
I think that depends on the severity of the peanut allergy; but that's why I said they should announce it ahead of time, in order to force the girl to stay home. After enough days of missing school, her parents will be forced to try out different educational alternatives.

There is NOTHING selfish about that. What's selfish is this girl's parents expecting the entire school system to conform to their one child. That's the definition of selfish.
EXACTLY!!!

Tyburn
03-23-2011, 01:32 PM
Hardy har har.

:laugh:

:laugh:

Tyburn
03-23-2011, 01:33 PM
Nate uses a lot of words you wouldn't use...




Please be careful when you use the phrase "all of you"...

Whiloe I understand Nate's post.. I wouldn't subscribe to it.. and lumping everyone.. with "all of you"....shows that your not paying attention..

Get a Life Spiritwalker :rolleyes: quit your baggering of me...if you dont like what I say ignore it. :rolleyes:

Spiritwalker
03-23-2011, 01:55 PM
Get a Life Spiritwalker :rolleyes: quit your baggering of me...if you dont like what I say ignore it. :rolleyes:

I have a wonderful life.. thanks....

but when you say ..."all of you".. that included me.. and I disagree with what you said... same thing you do with many other people..

rearnakedchoke
03-23-2011, 03:55 PM
I was thinking that the parents of non-allergic kids should organize several "Bring a peanut butter sandwich to school" days, when the students AND their parents all bring unwrapped peanut butter sandwiches to the school to force this girl to go home for the day (or announce it ahead of time so she doesn't even go to school that day). Keep doing this day after day until the girl's parents withdraw her from the school and look for other education options.

It sounds cruel, but the entire school of 600+ kids shouldn't be forced to conform themselves to this one girl's disability. Sure the parents might compare it to building a ramp for a wheelchair-bound kid; but that's not an accurate comparison at all. This is more along the lines of building ramps for the school, removing all the stairs, and forcing every student to use wheelchairs while they are on school property.

wow .. that woulda been awesome .. especially if the kid came in the next day and had an reaction and got sick ... or maybe even died ... LOL .. woulda been priceless to see the face of their parents when they found out ...

Neezar
03-23-2011, 04:47 PM
wow .. that woulda been awesome .. especially if the kid came in the next day and had an reaction and got sick ... or maybe even died ... LOL .. woulda been priceless to see the face of their parents when they found out ...

Would you put the life of your child in the hands of Kindergarteners? The parents are the one's here who are being selfish and irresponsible!

rearnakedchoke
03-23-2011, 05:31 PM
Would you put the life of your child in the hands of Kindergarteners? The parents are the one's here who are being selfish and irresponsible!

that is not the point .. i probably wouldn't put my kid in that school ... but if my kid was in that class, i would have no problem with my kid rinsing their mouth, washing their hands and not eating PB ... and i would teach my children to be the same, not like these whiny parents complaining about this ..

Neezar
03-23-2011, 06:19 PM
that is not the point .. i probably wouldn't put my kid in that school ... but if my kid was in that class, i would have no problem with my kid rinsing their mouth, washing their hands and not eating PB ... and i would teach my children to be the same, not like these whiny parents complaining about this ..

yes, it is the point. That is a very serious condition which you have pointed out. Whether or not I would encourage my child to be considerate and respectful for that child's safety is something different entirely (of course I would). I don't think the parent's should be outraged that their children have to compromise for this child's safety, I think they should be outraged that a life or death burden/responsibility is being placed on their children at such a young age!

The parents shouldn't pass the buck! They shouldn't put that kind of responsibility on to a school, the teachers, or the other children. They simply ask too much.

Neezar
03-23-2011, 06:27 PM
wow .. that woulda been awesome .. especially if the kid came in the next day and had an reaction and got sick ... or maybe even died ... LOL .. woulda been priceless to see the face of their parents when they found out ...

What if your child was the one with PB on his shirt that someone missed? What if your child caused her death accidentally? Your child still has to live with the fact that they caused someone to die! What quality of life will your child have then? You don't think the other kids will eventually call your child a baby killer? That would be priceless! I would love to see how your child's mental status was by the time they hit graduation.....

rearnakedchoke
03-23-2011, 06:31 PM
yes, it is the point. That is a very serious condition which you have pointed out. Whether or not I would encourage my child to be considerate and respectful for that child's safety is something different entirely (of course I would). I don't think the parent's should be outraged that their children have to compromise for this child's safety, I think they should be outraged that a life or death burden/responsibility is being placed on their children at such a young age!

The parents shouldn't pass the buck! They shouldn't put that kind of responsibility on to a school, the teachers, or the other children. They simply ask too much.

i was responding to the fact that someone said the parents should intentionally have a pb sandwich day to stop the child from coming in to school .... that was absolutley ridiculous ... but if you agree with that, that is fine ...

Neezar
03-23-2011, 07:24 PM
i was responding to the fact that someone said the parents should intentionally have a pb sandwich day to stop the child from coming in to school .... that was absolutley ridiculous ... but if you agree with that, that is fine ...

Is it any more ridiculous than the parents expecting the school and the kids to take on that kind of responsibility? Maybe that was the point.....

And no I wouldn't agree with actually doing that. But someone may have to do something drastic before the lesson is learned at the child's expense!

BamaGrits84
03-23-2011, 08:21 PM
that is not the point .. i probably wouldn't put my kid in that school ... but if my kid was in that class, i would have no problem with my kid rinsing their mouth, washing their hands and not eating PB ... and i would teach my children to be the same, not like these whiny parents complaining about this ..

How old are your children? I was wondering because while my 6 year old minds fairly well, he like almost ever other child this age, will test the waters when I turn my back. Say a kid finds a pack of peanut M&Ms in the car on the way to school and knows if his mom realizes he has it she'll take it. You think most kids who want that candy aren't going to try some way to sneak that candy out of the car with them?

I think the expectation for these other kids is too high! Would it be fair to a 6 year old to have to live with something serious happening to a classmate because he lied about washing his hands or snuck candy into class? To me the bigger deal it that they (the school & this girl's parents) are forcing these young children to hold their classmate life in their hand and THAT IS NOT FAIR not is it safe for the girl.

It seems to me there must be some other option that would be best for ALL the children.

rockdawg21
03-23-2011, 08:28 PM
How old are your children? I was wondering because while my 6 year old minds fairly well, he like almost ever other child this age, will test the waters when I turn my back. Say a kid finds a pack of peanut M&Ms in the car on the way to school and knows if his mom realizes he has it she'll take it. You think most kids who want that candy aren't going to try some way to sneak that candy out of the car with them?

I think the expectation for these other kids is too high! Would it be fair to a 6 year old to have to live with something serious happening to a classmate because he lied about washing his hands or snuck candy into class? To me the bigger deal it that they (the school & this girl's parents) are forcing these young children to hold their classmate life in their hand and THAT IS NOT FAIR not is it safe for the girl.

It seems to me there must be some other option that would be best for ALL the children.
Yeah, to trust a bunch of kids or even protesting parents (who might stuff nuts/seeds/pb in their kids' lunchboxes) with the lives of their daughter, very irresponsible on those parents to think it wouldn't happen at some point.

Spiritwalker
03-23-2011, 08:29 PM
The parents shouldn't pass the buck! They shouldn't put that kind of responsibility on to a school, the teachers, or the other children. They simply ask too much.

:thup:
+1

NateR
03-23-2011, 09:43 PM
Would you put the life of your child in the hands of Kindergarteners? The parents are the one's here who are being selfish and irresponsible!

QFT