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BamaGrits84
02-23-2011, 02:32 PM
I was just thinking about the chaos in the middle east and reading some articles about laws suits again healtch care reform, and I began to wonder, is it possible that eventually some Americans will get so sick of socialism being pushed on them that we find ourselves looking at another civil war?

Rev
02-23-2011, 02:38 PM
Sweety, 10 years ago I would have laughed at this question and said no. Now I aint ruling anything out.

Chris F
02-23-2011, 04:06 PM
There will be another one sure enough. The culture are still night and day even with all the Yankees moving South to retire. The South is more conservative, more biblical centered, more military proud, more family centered, and more alot of other things but all these will make for fuel for another internal war. YOu are so right about socialism being crammed down our throats. Eventually one state will say screw it and other will follow and it will probably look very similar to the original CSA. However the NORTH will have the West Coast as well. It will not be pretty if and when it happens.

Crisco
02-23-2011, 04:31 PM
Sad to say the north would probably win again.

adamt
02-23-2011, 04:48 PM
I was just thinking about the chaos in the middle east and reading some articles about laws suits again healtch care reform, and I began to wonder, is it possible that eventually some Americans will get so sick of socialism being pushed on them that we find ourselves looking at another civil war?

wars aren't fought the way they used to be.....


i don't think the way you are using civil war, that there will be another one....


take a look at wisconsin...it's getting ugly there...



also, if you notice, the people that would have to cause the unrest would be the people with the guns, so the people who would need to be unseated are watching out, that being said, the people who would oppose the gun owners may have the military at their disposal....

politics is the way we fight wars here in america


if there was a civil war though, it would have to be spiritually based, as most wars are, and for there to be enough spiritual unrest then we would definitely have to have an awakening so civil war would be a good thing, it would be nice to get back to our roots....

rockdawg21
02-23-2011, 05:08 PM
I was just thinking about the chaos in the middle east and reading some articles about laws suits again healtch care reform, and I began to wonder, is it possible that eventually some Americans will get so sick of socialism being pushed on them that we find ourselves looking at another civil war?
No, TX will leave and create the New Republic of Texas, others states will follow, and we'll tell Obama to **** off!

This will result in Obama trying to hold a beer summit to which we'll go there, drink all of his beer, not listen to him, and tell him to **** off!

This will result in Obama giving thrilling, passionate speeches of friendship, love, and devotion and we'll tell him to **** off!

This will result in Obama disarming the military as "violence doesn't solve anything" to which we will invade the U.S.A., overthrow the government, reclaim it as the Newer New Republic of Texas. Those people who were in the Democratic Party will be put into medieval stocks for the remainder of their lives.

Nobody dares try to push Socialism in the New Republic of TX as it is considered treason.

Wouldn't that be nice?

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EDIT: Point being, if some states leave the U.S., Obama wouldn't have the balls to send the military anyways. Besides, we have all the big bases here in TX. DON'T MESS WITH TX!!!!!!!!!!

Chris F
02-23-2011, 05:50 PM
Sad to say the north would probably win again.

unlikely because the North supplies less than 10% of the military volunteers. Most of the bases are down here and most of the factories that make arms are here as well. All the North has got is $$$$$ and IT stuff. So it is were a tradtional war Soth would destory them. But as Admt said it will be more of a political war than anyhting.

County Mike
02-23-2011, 06:07 PM
I think a revolt against our government is more likely than a civil war that puts states against each other. We'll have government supporters fighting against government protestors all over the country. There won't be any defined lines. It will be ugly and hopefully the military won't be used for either side.

flo
02-23-2011, 06:17 PM
I was wondering the same thing myself, seeing as these eejits are STILL not back at their jobs, the Wisconsin democrat legislators are STILL in Illinois and now BO has told the Justice Dept. NOT to defend any more cases in support of the Defense of Marriage Act and has declared said act unconstitutional.

We now have a dictator in the White House, IMO.

rockdawg21
02-23-2011, 06:19 PM
We now have a dictator in the White House, IMO.
He sucks, but he's not THAT bad!

TexasRN
02-23-2011, 06:21 PM
No, TX will leave and create the New Republic of Texas, others states will follow, and we'll tell Obama to **** off!

This will result in Obama trying to hold a beer summit to which we'll go there, drink all of his beer, not listen to him, and tell him to **** off!

This will result in Obama giving thrilling, passionate speeches of friendship, love, and devotion and we'll tell him to **** off!

This will result in Obama disarming the military as "violence doesn't solve anything" to which we will invade the U.S.A., overthrow the government, reclaim it as the Newer New Republic of Texas. Those people who were in the Democratic Party will be put into medieval stocks for the remainder of their lives.

Nobody dares try to push Socialism in the New Republic of TX as it is considered treason.

Wouldn't that be nice?

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EDIT: Point being, if some states leave the U.S., Obama wouldn't have the balls to send the military anyways. Besides, we have all the big bases here in TX. DON'T MESS WITH TX!!!!!!!!!!

As soon as Texas gets serious abou this, I am moving back and reclaiming my old driver's license number. God Bless Texas!


~Amy

KENTUCKYREDBONE
02-23-2011, 06:27 PM
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EDIT: Point being, if some states leave the U.S., Obama wouldn't have the balls to send the military anyways. Besides, we have all the big bases here in TX. DON'T MESS WITH TX!!!!!!!!!!


Don't bet on it! I think he'd use Violence against American Patriots before he would against any Foreign invader!

Rev
02-23-2011, 06:36 PM
He sucks, but he's not THAT bad!

+1

flo
02-23-2011, 06:51 PM
He sucks, but he's not THAT bad!

:laugh:

To me, he IS that bad. Where does the executive segment of our govt. get off making the arbitrary decision that as of today, the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional and directs his Atty. Gen. not to defend any further cases?

That's dictating.

flo
02-23-2011, 06:55 PM
You see what I mean? He changed the law today. Not after review by the judiciary or revision of the law by the legislative, but by his dictate alone.

adamt
02-23-2011, 06:57 PM
last year i went to the zoo and saw an african lion


then i went to the white house and saw a lyin' african

rockdawg21
02-23-2011, 06:58 PM
:laugh:

To me, he IS that bad. Where does the executive segment of our govt. get off making the arbitrary decision that as of today, the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional and directs his Atty. Gen. not to defend any further cases?

That's dictating.
Ok, well, when people think of the term "dictator", they are thinking of these guys, but he's nothing to the same extreme:

http://www.blackpast.org/files/blackpast_images/amin_idi.jpg http://www.wnd.com/images2/KimJong-il.jpg

http://faculty.ksu.edu.sa/hisham/Nanotechnology/PublishingImages/King_Abdullah1.jpg http://beyondrace.com/images/stories/saddam-hussein.jpg

flo
02-23-2011, 07:04 PM
rockdawg, you aren't reading what I'm typing. I didn't say he was out killing people. I said he was out dictating. Believe me, there are plenty of benevolent dictators, I think that's the only reason the ME isn't yet engaged in nuclear war.

Look here, from today's Wash. Post.

The Obama administration announced Wednesday that it has pulled its legal support for the federal Defense of Marriage Act, stating that the law fails to meet constitutional scrutiny standards and therefore the administration is under no obligation to defend it.

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said in a statement released Wednesday that President Obama has decided that his administration “will cease defense of Section 3,” which states that marriage is between one man and one woman.

“[T]he President has concluded that given a number of factors, including a documented history of discrimination, classifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny,” Mr. Holder said. “The President has also concluded that Section 3 of DOMA, as applied to legally married same-sex couples, fails to meet that standard and is therefore unconstitutional. Given that conclusion, the President has instructed the Department not to defend the statute in such cases. I fully concur with the President’s determination.”



It is not his job to "conclude" what laws on the books are or are not constitutional.

BamaGrits84
02-23-2011, 07:08 PM
It is not even just about Obama. It's the socialist that comes after him. Hopefully there will a conservative president next, but we all know everytime something goes wrong and there is a claim of unfairness people want to vote in someone who will make things fear, someone who will fix their problems. But as conservatives when, and how, do we fix our problem with the distruction of the US as it was built and as we desire it.

flo
02-23-2011, 07:09 PM
I know he's not like the people you have posted, rockdawg. I wasn't insinuating that.

Do you believe in the checks and balances of our government? Do you think it's important? I think it's creepy and frightening what he's doing. But I'm a generation ahead of you so you are the ones that will be left to live with the results.

Chris F
02-23-2011, 07:12 PM
As soon as Texas gets serious abou this, I am moving back and reclaiming my old driver's license number. God Bless Texas!


~Amy

It is written in the state constitution that they can at any moment walk away and return to a soverign nation. I would move there in a heartbeat if they did that.

Chris F
02-23-2011, 07:15 PM
rockdawg, you aren't reading what I'm typing. I didn't say he was out killing people. I said he was out dictating. Believe me, there are plenty of benevolent dictators, I think that's the only reason the ME isn't yet engaged in nuclear war.

Look here, from today's Wash. Post.



It is not his job to "conclude" what laws on the books are or are not constitutional.

Bush did the same thing so really it is a lack of balance in powers. Once the states had more power to dictate this stuff now thanks to Abe we are now a true socialist republic

BamaGrits84
02-23-2011, 07:17 PM
I know he's not like the people you have posted, rockdawg. I wasn't insinuating that.

Do you believe in the checks and balances of our government? Do you think it's important? I think it's creepy and frightening what he's doing. But I'm a generation ahead of you so you are the ones that will be left to live with the results.

It is VERY frightening. The checks and balance of our country will not work is they all have the same agenda of turning America into a socialized country. Too many people in this checks and balance system do not have any desire for America to show any signs of how and why it was originally founded.

Chris F
02-23-2011, 07:18 PM
It is VERY frightening. The checks and balance of our country will not work is they all have the same agenda of turning America into a socialized country. Too many people in this checks and balance system do not have any desire for America to show any signs of how and why it was originally founded.

Exactly. We need to remove senator election by popular vote and go back to them being eleted by state gov this way they are more worried about their poeple than the lobbtist.We need to stick to the 10th amendment and impeach any judge that refuses to.

rockdawg21
02-23-2011, 07:18 PM
I know he's not like the people you have posted, rockdawg. I wasn't insinuating that.

Do you believe in the checks and balances of our government? Do you think it's important? I think it's creepy and frightening what he's doing. But I'm a generation ahead of you so you are the ones that will be left to live with the results.
LOL, Flo, I am reading what you typed. I was simply stating that most people consider a "dictator" to be guys like the ones I posted on there. You're just being way more serious about the topic than I am.

Rev
02-23-2011, 07:19 PM
I know he's not like the people you have posted, rockdawg. I wasn't insinuating that.

Do you believe in the checks and balances of our government? Do you think it's important? I think it's creepy and frightening what he's doing. But I'm a generation ahead of you so you are the ones that will be left to live with the results.
I see what you are saying now.
I guess he is somewhat a dictator.
Either way he needs to be stopped!

flo
02-23-2011, 07:43 PM
It is VERY frightening. The checks and balance of our country will not work is they all have the same agenda of turning America into a socialized country. Too many people in this checks and balance system do not have any desire for America to show any signs of how and why it was originally founded.

That's what I'm afraid of, BG. We aren't Europe yet the progressives are pushing hard to turn us into Europe Jr. The EU hasn't been looking too good lately, has it? Did you see the policeman in Athens today, set on fire with a molotov cocktail by a worker who is protesting against govt. cutbacks?

link (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/856418-policeman-set-on-fire-during-athens-riot)

I think the reason America has been so successful (uniquely successful) for 300+ years is from our individual rights and protections as well as the restraints put on government that are written in our constitution.

flo
02-23-2011, 07:44 PM
Exactly. We need to remove senator election by popular vote and go back to them being eleted by state gov this way they are more worried about their poeple than the lobbtist.

I totally agree, Chris.

flo
02-23-2011, 07:46 PM
LOL, Flo, I am reading what you typed. I was simply stating that most people consider a "dictator" to be guys like the ones I posted on there. You're just being way more serious about the topic than I am.


I know. :ashamed:

My husband tells me "Simma dahn, nah". I should avoid the political debates. :laugh:

rockdawg21
02-23-2011, 07:50 PM
I know. :ashamed:

My husband tells me "Simma dahn, nah". I should avoid the political debates. :laugh:
LOL, it can get heated. The irony of it all was that I could tell you were getting heated as you made the statement "you're not listening to what I'm saying". You were so caught into the point you were tying to make, that you missed my point/joke, thus you weren't listening to what I was saying. :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyIS33m91qU :D

BamaGrits84
02-23-2011, 07:54 PM
I see what you are saying now.
I guess he is somewhat a dictator.
Either way he needs to be stopped!

You are exactly right. He needs to be stop, so do the other socialism seeking elected officials. The porblems come in with the voters who want a government that will prove womb to the tomb social programs. As long as there are people with this mind set in such numbers are there are now, we will continue to see the type of leadership we have now. If we could get the "undecideds" to see what is fixing to become of our contry I believe the majority would lean towards conservatives views.

At this point we can all see a very serious fate if we don't put our foot down and say NO, you deal with your problems your self. Tax dollars are not for feeding you and your 5 kids, their are not for providing you retirement because you were too foolish not to plan yourself (if people paid in, yes they should get back), if you want health insurance give up the house and car you WANT for what you NEED so you can afford health insurance, we will not allow you to lable you child as ADHA and give you a check every month to get your nails done, if your fat and lazy and have health issues you will not be given disability so you can spend it to continue to stuff your face with burgers daily, and government employees need to get used to the fact of not getting president's day, Columbus Day, or veterans day (unless they are an actual veteran) off and work these days like the rest of us!

NateR
02-23-2011, 07:56 PM
I was just thinking about the chaos in the middle east and reading some articles about laws suits again healtch care reform, and I began to wonder, is it possible that eventually some Americans will get so sick of socialism being pushed on them that we find ourselves looking at another civil war?

I took a Philosophy class back in 2003 and our professor (who was also a geologist AND a real-life cowboy) warned us that the last time Americans were this evenly divided over any moral/political issues (abortion, gay marriage, healthcare reform, etc.) was in the years preceding the Civil War. However, if another war broke out, it would be along ideological lines, not state lines.

Of course, this was prior to the 2004 election when the political divide in this country seemed to galvanize and it's just been getting worse ever since.

Tyburn
02-23-2011, 07:57 PM
I dont think it will happen naturally, because however much the people of a state may not like what is happening...in order for a Civil War you have to have the State Governments actually turning against the Federal Government.

I dont think they would dare. I think those Governors who would are more likely to find themselves assassinated or somehow removed from office. If there is a rebellion within a state against its state government...the rest of the State Governments...and the people of those States are likely to condemn the action not on principle...but because no longer is the use of arlms thought of as part of a democratic process. They will say using force and hurting people is "unacceptable"

So not naturally.


However...what would cause a Civil War is a State with the allowance to leave the Union, daring to do it. If the Republic of Texas gained independance...and flourished...other State Governments would see that they could do that to...and they will be anti-union...becuase they will blame the Federal Union for getting them into the problems in the first place...what you are indanger of then happening is what happened with the break up of the USSR...each State becoming an independant Soverign Nation. Its unlikely the Federal Government will take kindly...and THAT could start a war...with those States who think they have the right to Freedom from the Union.

The worst part is, as most of the States are landlocked...how would they cope as independants when surrounded by the Union? no access to sea, or road import and exports...the question is, would the Federal Government go as far as staging whats effectively a blockade...and...as the whole country is one unit, the people who die inside the state would still technically be Citizens of the Union...thus it would effectively be Genocide if they were to die through lack of provision.

I can see that happening. Unions only work whilst noone wants to leave...but as soon as one wants to leave...they bloody all want to leave :unsure-1:

rockdawg21
02-23-2011, 08:02 PM
You are exactly right. He needs to be stop, so do the other socialism seeking elected officials.
So, in other words, don't elect Democrats.

flo
02-23-2011, 08:05 PM
LOL, it can get heated. The irony of it all was that I could tell you were getting heated as you made the statement "you're not listening to what I'm saying". You were so caught into the point you were tying to make, that you missed my point/joke, thus you weren't listening to what I was saying. :laugh:


Sorry, dawg. :ashamed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyIS33m91qU :D

Yup, that's the one. :happydancing:

BamaGrits84
02-23-2011, 08:11 PM
So, in other words, don't elect Democrats.

Well for the most part yes. even the blue dogs now cross the line often into socialism because they think catering to the womb to the tomb mindset will give them the voters of the lazy which has become the majority in most areas sadly.

BamaGrits84
02-23-2011, 08:15 PM
I took a Philosophy class back in 2003 and our professor (who was also a geologist AND a real-life cowboy) warned us that the last time Americans were this evenly divided over any moral/political issues (abortion, gay marriage, healthcare reform, etc.) was in the years preceding the Civil War. However, if another war broke out, it would be along ideological lines, not state lines.
Of course, this was prior to the 2004 election when the political divide in this country seemed to galvanize and it's just been getting worse ever since.

That is true, so we would be IN CHAOS as opposed to AT WAR basically. I guess that would lead to me to think we would basically self distruct.

rockdawg21
02-23-2011, 08:28 PM
Sorry, dawg. :ashamed:



Yup, that's the one. :happydancing:
No worries Flo, I was actually laughing the whole time. It's a forum, no need to get too upset!

TexasRN
02-23-2011, 09:38 PM
It is written in the state constitution that they can at any moment walk away and return to a soverign nation. I would move there in a heartbeat if they did that.

Yep. That's what they taught me in my Texas History classes. Man I miss Texas. I told the bf that if he plans to make me live for a year in NYC after med school then he'll have to agree to live in Texas for at least a year to offset the Yankeeness. :laugh:


~Amy

Llamafighter
02-23-2011, 09:41 PM
Yep. That's what they taught me in my Texas History classes. Man I miss Texas. I told the bf that if he plans to make me live for a year in NYC after med school then he'll have to agree to live in Texas for at least a year to offset the Yankeeness. :laugh:


~Amy

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

TexasRN
02-23-2011, 09:47 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Yeah, Andy decided that in 9-10 years we will move to NYC for a year to have the "experience".... :blink: Thanks for talking up The City, Mark. Stupid Santa Mob......:angry::laugh:


~Amy

Tyburn
02-24-2011, 11:36 AM
Yep. That's what they taught me in my Texas History classes. Man I miss Texas. I told the bf that if he plans to make me live for a year in NYC after med school then he'll have to agree to live in Texas for at least a year to offset the Yankeeness. :laugh:


~Amy

Was it in exchange for giving up their own Soverignty when they joined the Union? I mean...Texas is big enough, not encased by the Union, and has actually survived as a Soverign Republic on its own in the past hasnt it.

I still think it all depends on Texas...if Alaska, or Hawaii were to make a break, they might be too far away to cause a stir...but Texas abstaining from the Union would effect the whole of continental America.

You understand that its rare to get the Union that you guys live under to last...I know I constantly say that your only 330 years old and not very old...but for a single union to last that long, and to survive a Civil War...and for it to be so vast...its a monumental achievement unparalleled...which is the only reason I would be sad if it fell apart...coz its kinda a nice way to be IMHO

CAVEMAN
02-24-2011, 04:51 PM
I think another Civil War is not far-fetched at all. People are fed up with the socialistic ideologies and policies coming out of Washington. Plus, as the Fed digs itself deeper and deeper into debt, federal funding for states will cease. Inflation is already taking a hold of our economy and once hyperinflation happens, there will be revolts all over the country!