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rockdawg21
02-10-2011, 08:25 PM
Of course this would happen at some point. The guy was first a war hero who later became KKK leader.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41509251/ns/us_news-life/?gt1=43001
License plate proposed to honor KKK leader
Fight brewing in Miss. over proposal to honor Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest

By EMILY WAGSTER PETTUS
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updated 2/10/2011 9:02:54 AM ET

JACKSON, Miss. A fight is brewing in Mississippi over a proposal to issue specialty license plates honoring Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was an early leader of the Ku Klux Klan.

The Mississippi Division of Sons of Confederate Veterans wants to sponsor a series of state-issued license plates to mark the 150th anniversary of the Civil War, which it calls the "War Between the States." The group proposes a different design each year between now and 2015, with Forrest slated for 2014.

"Seriously?" state NAACP president Derrick Johnson said when he was told about the Forrest plate. "Wow."

Forrest, a Tennessee native, is revered by some as a military genius and reviled by others for leading the 1864 massacre of black Union troops at Fort Pillow, Tenn. Forrest was a Klan grand wizard in Tennessee after the war.

Sons of Confederate Veterans member Greg Stewart said he believes Forrest distanced himself from the Klan later in life. It's a point many historians agree upon, though some believe it was too little, too late, because the Klan had already turned violent before Forrest left.

"If Christian redemption means anything and we all want redemption, I think he redeemed himself in his own time, in his own actions, in his own words," Stewart said. "We should respect that."

State Department of Revenue spokeswoman Kathy Waterbury said legislators would have to approve a series of Civil War license plates. She said if every group that has a specialty license plate wanted a redesign every year, it would take an inordinate amount time from Department of Revenue employees who have other duties.

SCV has not decided what the Forrest license plate would look like, Stewart said. Opponents are using their imagination.

A Facebook group called "Mississippians Against The Commemoration Of Grand Wizard Nathan Forrest" features a drawing of a hooded klansman in the center of a regular Mississippi car tag.

Robert McElvaine, director of history department at the private Millsaps College in Jackson, joined the Facebook group. McElvaine said Forrest's role at Fort Pillow and involvement in the Klan make him unworthy of being honored, even on the bumpers of cars.

"The idea of celebrating such a person, whatever his accomplishments in other areas may have been, seems like a very poor idea," McElvaine told The Associated Press.

Mississippi lawmakers have shown a decidedly laissez-faire attitude toward allowing a wide variety groups to have specialty license plates, which usually sell for an extra $30 to $50 a year. The state sells more than 100 specialty plates for everything from wildlife conservation to breast cancer awareness. One design says "God Bless America," another depicts Elvis Presley. Among the biggest sellers are NASCAR designs and one with the slogan "Choose Life."

The Mississippi Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans has had a state-issued specialty license plate since 2003 to raise money for restoration of Civil War-era flags. From 2003 through 2010, the design featured a small Confederate battle flag.

The Department of Revenue allowed the group to revise the license plate this year for the first of the Civil War sesquicentennial designs. The 2011 plate, now on sale, depicts the Beauvoir mansion in Biloxi, Miss., the final home of Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president.

SCV wants license plates to feature Civil War battles that took place in Mississippi. It proposes a Battle of Corinth design for 2012 and Siege of Vicksburg design for 2013. Stewart said the 2015 plate would be a tribute to Confederate veterans.

Johnson, with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he's not bothered by Civil War commemorative license plates generally. But he said Mississippi shouldn't honor Forrest, who was an early leader of what he calls "a terrorist group."

"He should be viewed in the same light that we view Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden," Johnson said of Forrest. "The state of Mississippi should deny any vanity tags which would highlight racial hatred in this state."

Democratic Rep. Willie Bailey, who handles license plate requests in the House, said he has no problem with SCV seeking any design it wants.

"If they want a tag commemorating veterans of the Confederacy, I don't have a problem with it," said Bailey, who is black. "They have that right. We'll look at it. As long as it's not offensive to anybody, then they have the same rights as anybody else has."

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adamt
02-10-2011, 09:19 PM
do they not see the irony of having a NAACP person counterpoint it?

Crisco
02-10-2011, 09:26 PM
do they not see the irony of having a NAACP person counterpoint it?

Not sure I agree with this plate.

Miss Foxy
02-10-2011, 09:48 PM
I don't agree at all with the plate. Regardless of what hero status he was before becoming a leader of a hate group. Hate is color blind.

adamt
02-10-2011, 09:53 PM
Not sure I agree with this plate.

why you quoting me when you disagree....



i am just pointing out that the naacp is just like the kkk, only black

TENNESSEAN
02-10-2011, 10:04 PM
why you quoting me when you disagree....



i am just pointing out that the naacp is just like the kkk, only black

REALLY:blink: WRONG!!

rockdawg21
02-10-2011, 10:42 PM
why you quoting me when you disagree....



i am just pointing out that the naacp is just like the kkk, only black
LOL, close, but the NAACP is a little less extreme. They are a political hate group whereas the KKK is a violent hate group. Are there any ties that the NAACP promotes violence against whites? Not trying to be a smartass, I really don't know.

Spiritwalker
02-11-2011, 12:02 AM
LOL, close, but the NAACP is a little less extreme. They are a political hate group whereas the KKK is a violent hate group. Are there any ties that the NAACP promotes violence against whites? Not trying to be a smartass, I really don't know.

the biggest difference between the KKK and the NAACP is that the KKK is a bunch of freaking morons... and the NAACP is always actively recruiting "better than the standard"

Then NAACP is similar to Japan.. they think.. next 25 years... the KKK for as defunt as they are.. think about the next months rent...

I have some insight into the KKK.. from personal experience... no.. was not a member.... but I did know a few..

and I never met a KKK member that wasn't a low life coward.

adamt
02-11-2011, 12:37 AM
hate is hate in my book

some of it is violent, some of it is political but the NAACP, the KKK, the black panthers(more of a fair comparison to the KKK i know), and any other organization that bases its beliefs solely on skin color is racist. period.


i don't think "not being violent" is an acceptable excuse to hate, but let them hate, it's their right, right? but then again, don't say that forrest is any less deserving of a license plate because he was violently hateful versus politically hateful


the naacp is for the advancement of BLACK people....

when is brown history month? or yellow history month? or white history month?


where is the united hispanic college fund? how about white entertainment television? where is the miss jewish american pageant, they have miss black america....




my point is that lets get rid of race altogether. i'm pretty sure blacks and whites are treated equal

special treatment is special treatment, i don't care who it is for

adamt
02-11-2011, 12:55 AM
btw, i am against the plate




but ask yourself, is there any race in america i would not want to be right now? and that would be the race that is most discriminated against. And on my list black is nowhere near the top of the list.


my list of who i wouldn't want to be because of discrimination:

1. a legal mexican immigrant, not a mexican american, not an illegal alien, but someone who speaks broken english and is here legally and could easily be mistaken for an illegal alien. Because whether they are illegal or not, they are assumed and looked at as illegal, and that isn't fair, they are thought of as peon workers who have alot of kids and bring meth and dope up into america as they tunnelled their way thru

2. middle eastern--- if you are even a slight bit arabian looking you are looked at as a suicide bomber


oddly enough, white people did not bring these stereotypes upon these two groups, and quite frankly there are instances that arabian people need to be assumed they are suicide bombers, it isn't fair, but it wasn't white people that gave them that target


heck amish, jehovah witnesses and mormons are more discriminated against than black people are

i think being black is one of the best things you can be in this country right now, most of their discrimination is imagined or fabricated

it's good to be black, oriental(cause you are automatically deemed a genius and/or martial arts master) or white

blacks have nothing to complain about, so it is incredibly irritating that they whine, not all of them , but some of them but they have no need to whine




race based beliefs are ALL racist, not just the kkk's or other violent groups

adamt
02-11-2011, 01:00 AM
the biggest difference between the KKK and the NAACP is that the KKK is a bunch of freaking morons... and the NAACP is always actively recruiting "better than the standard"

Then NAACP is similar to Japan.. they think.. next 25 years... the KKK for as defunt as they are.. think about the next months rent...

I have some insight into the KKK.. from personal experience... no.. was not a member.... but I did know a few..

and I never met a KKK member that wasn't a low life coward.


correct me if i am wrong, cause i am only talking from watching history channel documentaries, but the kkk is more or less dead and it's the AB that is alive and thriving. The aryan brotherhood.

it seems to me that once you go to a fed prison you pretty well HAVE to hang with your own race, and if you are really scared you better get in with the AB or the Bloods or the whatever the hispanics are really quick


I don't get out alot, but I hear there are alot of aryans around here.... never met or heard of a KKK member

rockdawg21
02-11-2011, 01:01 AM
hate is hate in my book

some of it is violent, some of it is political but the NAACP, the KKK, the black panthers(more of a fair comparison to the KKK i know), and any other organization that bases its beliefs solely on skin color is racist. period.


i don't think "not being violent" is an acceptable excuse to hate, but let them hate, it's their right, right? but then again, don't say that forrest is any less deserving of a license plate because he was violently hateful versus politically hateful


the naacp is for the advancement of BLACK people....

when is brown history month? or yellow history month? or white history month?


where is the united hispanic college fund? how about white entertainment television? where is the miss jewish american pageant, they have miss black america....




my point is that lets get rid of race altogether. i'm pretty sure blacks and whites are treated equal

special treatment is special treatment, i don't care who it is for
There's Hispanic Heritage month, but it's weird because it goes from Sept 15 to Oct 15 each year. What's more strange is that I didn't hear of it until I moved to Texas but you don't hear Hispanics complaining about the non-advertising of it.

May is Asian Pacific American Heritage Month and I didn't know that until I married a Filipina and checked to see if they have a month because she was confused why only blacks have a heritage month but nobody else, lol. I let her know about Hispanic Heritage Month but I hadn't any idea there was an Asian one because it isn't advertised either.

You could be sure that if Black History Month wasn't advertised each commercial break of each tv show run during the month, the NAACP would go all over the press calling a network racist, whereas nobody else gives a ****.

And you make a good point, hate is hate regardless of how it is promoted. Even my roommate in college, who was black, hated all the special treatment given to black criminals. Because my roommate wasn't a criminal, he still had to pay for his college. Had he been a "victim of society" or whatever it's called, he could have had his college paid for by the taxpayers. Weird.

flo
02-11-2011, 01:11 AM
do they not see the irony of having a NAACP person counterpoint it?
HA! Good point, Adam.

I hope they don't do it.

flo
02-11-2011, 01:14 AM
Although I wouldn't equate the NAACP with the KKK; it's just ironic as it's for the advancement of colored people - which in broad terms is racist.

Ditto BET, ditto Congressional Black Caucus, etc., etc.

rockdawg21
02-11-2011, 01:17 AM
Although I wouldn't equate the NAACP with the KKK; it's just ironic as it's for the advancement of colored people - which in broad terms is racist.

Ditto BET, ditto Congressional Black Caucus, etc., etc.
What about MLK's dream, didn't he say it was about the content of the character? Irony is that most of my friends consider me black - I wear baggy clothes and wear my hat twisted (but I don't keep the stickers on them, lol), talk with rap slang, listen to rap, etc. so that makes my soul black, lol. So does this make me have black content of character or am I immediately thrown out for the color of my skin? :laugh:

flo
02-11-2011, 01:28 AM
Yes, Martin Luther King said it's about character.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I still get chills just reading it. Full text here. (http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm)

TENNESSEAN
02-11-2011, 01:39 AM
the difference is one wants their race to be in a equal or even dominate position and the other wants to exterminate all other races.
has the NAACP ever hung someone or burned a church full of women and children?

the KKK is alive and well folks, they have a big parade here in TN every year.

rockdawg21
02-11-2011, 01:46 AM
the KKK is alive and well folks, they have a big parade here in TN every year.
Damn honkys!

TENNESSEAN
02-11-2011, 01:47 AM
Damn honkys!

:laugh:you my brotha from anotha motha

rockdawg21
02-11-2011, 01:50 AM
:laugh:you my brotha from anotha motha
:laugh: If they had any real balls, they'd hold the parade on Hickory Hill in Memphis.

adamt
02-11-2011, 01:55 AM
the kkk is impotent tho


the naacp keeps propogating the lie that blacks aren't equal, thus in an indirect but very key way instigating violence




i hope i haven't come across as racist, quite the opposite

i have NEVER thought less of someone based on skin tone or ethnicity

i have never looked down my nose at someone based on race

i have the utmost respect and i think good relationship with miss foxy and javier

i grew up with two packs less than 20 miles from my school and an indian reservation 7 miles from my school, and while there were only two black kids in my class we had oodles of indians and mexicans, and the black kids always got along just fine, and most of the indians did and most of the mexicans did, and i got along with all of them just the same, there were two farmkids in my class that weren't white, one an indian and one a black guy, and i never knew them as anything other than fellow farmkids, so i hope no one takes it as i think whites are better or non whites are worse


i just get rubbed the wrong way where issues are made when they aren't any, and the rearend jesse jackass is a cheif instigator, and quite frankly i don't see any purpose for the naacp except to stir the pot and incite tension



i don't think think the plate should go even if he did change later in life

i lost respect for farve with the latest scandal


and of course i also lost alot of respect for mlkj when i found out he was such a womanizer, i think it totally tainted all the good he did, and all the great things he said




come to think of it french people are more hated in america today than blacks are, and they actually helped us win our feedom

County Mike
02-11-2011, 10:56 AM
Any organization, fund, activity, group, whatever that is based on race should be outlawed. We don't move towards equality by separating ourselves.

Neezar
02-11-2011, 11:07 AM
I was skeerd when I opened this thread that it was going to be in Alabama! :scared:

VCURamFan
02-11-2011, 11:18 AM
Any organization, fund, activity, group, whatever that is based on race should be outlawed. We don't move towards equality by separating ourselves.
+juan

Sig worthy.

Miss Foxy
02-11-2011, 03:23 PM
There's Hispanic Heritage month, but it's weird because it goes from Sept 15 to Oct 15 each year. What's more strange is that I didn't hear of it until I moved to Texas but you don't hear Hispanics complaining about the non-advertising of it.

May is Asian Pacific American Heritage Month and I didn't know that until I married a Filipina and checked to see if they have a month because she was confused why only blacks have a heritage month but nobody else, lol. I let her know about Hispanic Heritage Month but I hadn't any idea there was an Asian one because it isn't advertised either.

You could be sure that if Black History Month wasn't advertised each commercial break of each tv show run during the month, the NAACP would go all over the press calling a network racist, whereas nobody else gives a ****.

And you make a good point, hate is hate regardless of how it is promoted. Even my roommate in college, who was black, hated all the special treatment given to black criminals. Because my roommate wasn't a criminal, he still had to pay for his college. Had he been a "victim of society" or whatever it's called, he could have had his college paid for by the taxpayers. Weird.

I never in my life heard of "hispanic" month lol...

Miss Foxy
02-11-2011, 03:23 PM
Any organization, fund, activity, group, whatever that is based on race should be outlawed. We don't move towards equality by separating ourselves.

+ 1000

Miss Foxy
02-11-2011, 03:32 PM
County Mike said it the best.. I hate race topics really I do. First of all I am born from a German (white) mother from an American (mexican) decent father.. Some arabic too but not enough to label me. I hate how people have/are/will to me. I got treated horribly by whites until they knew I was 1/2 then it was all good. I have heard all the "beaner" "wetback" jokes I could stand. Also the mexicans treated me like crap, because I don't speak Spanish well and also the girls would always try to fight or even fight me, because they said I think I am all that. I hated it. That's partially why I have such a strong personality. I am very proud of my heritages and would not change it for the world. I still lash out if I hear a white boy joke I will defend. Same with the mexican border hoppers I will defend them, because I just do. It's weird. I fit in with people who don't view things as who/what/where/when/why I am me just people that accept and embrace me for ME...MLK speech touches me, because I can't imagine what they went through. I sincerely believe he wanted everyone to live in peace and harmony.
I have my own prejudices I need to work on and this thread opened my eyes. I need to be mindful of other races (filipinos and blacks) mainly. I find myself rude and I am saddened that I just posted a whole spill' about how I hate racism yet I am the same way.. So now I am going to work on being more open-minded.