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BamaGrits84
01-15-2011, 05:18 PM
When I read this all I could think of was one of the mean kids from Forrest Gump's bus grew up to be the associate athletic director at Virginia.

When Greg Demery realized the ticket he'd bought from a scalper for last Saturday's game between North Carolina and Virginia was two rows behind the Cavaliers bench, he couldn't believe his good fortune.

"I thought, 'How did I get this lucky to get this ticket?'" the lifelong Tar Heels fan recalled. "This low to the court? This never happens to me.'"

Unfortunately for Demery, he didn't keep his seat long enough to watch lineup introductions from up close, let alone the game.

Before the 46-year-old Arlington, Va. resident had time to remove his Carolina blue coat, a security guard approached and told Demery he couldn't sit in that section of John Paul Jones Arena wearing Tar Heels colors. Soon afterward, another Virginia staffer asked to see his ticket to verify that it was legitimate. And finally, associate athletic director Jason Bauman escorted Demery from his seat and relocated him to another seat 17 rows higher in the lower bowl.

"I couldn't believe it," Demery said. "I'm sitting there hoping to enjoy the game courtside and I thought it was going to work out great and in a matter of 15 minutes, it changed. I just was shaking my head thinking, 'How is this possible? How are they allowed to get away with this?'"

Bauman feels bad that Demery's new seat wasn't as close to the court as his original, but he doesn't intend to alter Virginia's policy and doesn't regret anything else about how he handled the incident.

Whereas other North Carolina fans in the lower bowl were not required to move, Bauman said he relocated Demery because the seats directly behind the Virginia bench usually belong to athletic department staffers. In this case one of those staffers gave their tickets to to a friend who then sold one to a scalper, enabling Demery to purchase it for $100.

"I understood he didn't know the rules before he purchased that ticket which is why I wanted to find as good a ticket for him as I could," Bauman said. "I think it's the right approach to those seats, I think I handled it in a professional manner and I think I was respectful of him, but I also think the result was very fair."

Strangely enough, North Carolina was involved in a similar incident that made headlines last season. Tar Heels coach Roy Williams instructed security personnel to remove a Presbyterian fan sitting a few rows behind the Carolina bench after he heckled big man Deon Thompson as he was shooting a free throw.

Demery hasn't pursued any legal action at this time, but an expert in sports law said that his rights may have been violated.

Michael McCann, director of the Sports Law Institute at Vermont Law School, said that Demery's contractual rights may have been breached if the ticket he purchased didn't stipulate that he could not sit in the seat unless he was a Virginia fan. McCann also said relocating Demery may have been a First Amendment violation since Virginia is a public school and has less authority to regulate speech than a private institution.

"A fan who wears the 'wrong' team's shirt should probably not be excluded from a particular seat that he has legally purchased," McCann wrote via e-mail. "Sure, schools can encourage fans of one team to sit in certain sections, but they probably can't sell a ticket and then revoke its conditions because the ticket-buyer happens to be a fan of the other team."

The most frustrating aspect of the incident for Demery is he feels like Virginia spoiled a game that he'd been looking forward to for weeks.

Driving two hours to Charlottesville and shelling out $100 for a ticket was well worth the trouble for Demery because he figured he'd enjoy the rare chance to watch his beloved Tar Heels in person. Instead he spent so much time stewing about being booted out of his seat that North Carolina's come-from-behind 62-56 victory wasn't as much fun as it could have been.

At halftime, Demery sought out guest services, explained the situation and attempted to get his previous seat back only to have Bauman meet him again and turn him down. Demery even asked a policeman at the arena whether what Virginia was doing was legal, but the officer sided with Bauman.

"This was an opportunity for me to see Carolina in person and see them up close, and they kind of put a damper on everything," Demery said. "The best thing about the whole day was we won. It was a slight vindication after all that happened."


Now I don't care much for basketball, but if an Auburn fan parked their tail in a row full of Bama fans they would ASK to be moved after 5 minutes. :laugh:

Chuck
01-15-2011, 08:13 PM
Build a bridge, get over it.


Sissy.

lc87
01-16-2011, 12:10 PM
Build a bridge, get over it.


Sissy.

So chuck are you saying you don't believe in the constitution and the rights we are privileged because of it? Do you believe: that we should not have guns for hunting and self protection?
Women should not be allowed to vote? African americans sitting at the back of the bus?

He bought his ticket he should be able to wear what he wants who cares where it is!

That's like seeing a raiders fan at arrowhead when they play the chiefs. If that's the team he likes who should have the right to judge him for that?

Chuck
01-16-2011, 12:56 PM
So chuck are you saying you don't believe in the constitution and the rights we are privileged because of it? Do you believe: that we should not have guns for hunting and self protection?
Women should not be allowed to vote? African americans sitting at the back of the bus?

He bought his ticket he should be able to wear what he wants who cares where it is!

That's like seeing a raiders fan at arrowhead when they play the chiefs. If that's the team he likes who should have the right to judge him for that?

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Wait... Were you being serious?????

County Mike
01-16-2011, 08:37 PM
He bought his ticket from a scalper. He shouldn't have any expectations of actually being allowed to sit anywhere in the arena. In fact, they could have pressed charges against him. It is illegal to buy and/or sell tickets in that manner. He's lucky they didn't have him arrested.

Bonnie
01-16-2011, 09:58 PM
The staffer's friend who sold the ticket to the scalper should also be arrested then.

Chuck
01-16-2011, 10:44 PM
He bought his ticket from a scalper. He shouldn't have any expectations of actually being allowed to sit anywhere in the arena. In fact, they could have pressed charges against him. It is illegal to buy and/or sell tickets in that manner. He's lucky they didn't have him arrested.

The staffer's friend who sold the ticket to the scalper should also be arrested then.

You two must hate America.... :Whistle:

Bonnie
01-17-2011, 01:21 AM
You two must hate America.... :Whistle:

He's Benedict and I'm Arnold. :laugh:

County Mike
01-17-2011, 03:45 PM
I'm not really anti-scalper. I'm just saying that since he bought it from a scalper, he shouldn't bitch. He's just drawing attention to his own mis-deeds.

Mark
01-17-2011, 06:10 PM
He bought his ticket from a scalper. He shouldn't have any expectations of actually being allowed to sit anywhere in the arena. In fact, they could have pressed charges against him. It is illegal to buy and/or sell tickets in that manner. He's lucky they didn't have him arrested.

I think it is only illegal if you sell it for more than the price on the ticket.

J.B.
01-17-2011, 07:05 PM
I think it is only illegal if you sell it for more than the price on the ticket.

That is true, but in this case the ticket was actually a comp.

Mark
01-17-2011, 07:26 PM
That is true, but in this case the ticket was actually a comp.

Yes, there should still be a price on it.

J.B.
01-17-2011, 08:45 PM
Yes, there should still be a price on it.

Not sure about those but you are right that they have prices on them sometimes. Although for some things it will actually say comp where the price is supposed to be.

lc87
01-18-2011, 04:47 AM
Not sure about those but you are right that they have prices on them sometimes. Although for some things it will actually say comp where the price is supposed to be.

I thought all college tickets had to have a price tag on them now. After the whole ku ticket scandal. Comping tickets the selling them for over 5 million over 4 years thing.


Yes chuck I was kidding about everything except the problem at hand. Would it have been ok if he wore a different team shirt other than the 2 that were playing? Or just for tv purposes when they showed theirbench the nc fan there. But theoreticly how would you feel if matt was fighting on the brazil card and you had second row seats behind his brazilian opponents corner. Just because you wore a hughes shirt they moved your chair back and didn't pay you the difference in price for the switch.

Mark I thought you couldn't sell them for over one and a half of face value to cover the other fees when you bought the ticket. Just what I've heard from people at work not sure what the actual laws are.

J.B.
01-18-2011, 05:09 AM
I thought all college tickets had to have a price tag on them now. After the whole ku ticket scandal. Comping tickets the selling them for over 5 million over 4 years thing.


You are probably right. I wasn't aware of that.

I was speaking from my personal experience with getting comp tickets to concerts and other events over the years. I haven't ever gotten any comp tickets to college games.

BamaGrits84
01-18-2011, 02:52 PM
I think it is only illegal if you sell it for more than the price on the ticket.

They get sold above ticket price on ebay and stubhub all the time, so maybe the laws differ by states. I saw BSC tickets bough for $500 through a broker and got sold for $3,000. A government official was involved in this and because of the expected "ice strorm" he was going to have to work and coulnd't make the game. He talked about it on a radio show so I have to think he wouldn't be stupid enough to do that if it was illegal. I would be very interested to know exactly what the laws are.

TENNESSEAN
01-18-2011, 07:47 PM
I get comp tickets to the nashville predators. they say complimentary ticket not for resale on the ticket. They are given out compliments of the preds. If I showed up wearing a blackhawks jersey in that area designated for preds fans I would expect to be ask to move.

I have a friend that bought super bowl tickets from a scalper. Him his wife and daughter were sitting in their not so good seats excited for the game when the police came and ask for their tickets. Chip told them he got them from a scalper. Turns out the scalper had been braking into hotel rooms stealing tickets. Chip of course said he was sorry and was happy to give the seats up to the real tickets owners. Security was so pleased that he offered the seats with out a fight they let them sit in the area with the players families. Best seats in the house. :laugh:

BamaGrits84
01-18-2011, 08:13 PM
This is about tickets but slightly off topic but I don't think I've ever shared this before here. My job inculdes buying industrial parts, so often vendors like to take me to lunch, or bring goodies buy, or once in a while sport event tickets come in. Well since one of my vendors is a NASCAR sponsor I always get Talladega tickets, usually just for Satuday (Fastenal sponsors for Saturday races only). Well one year I was given Sunday tickets too so we decided to camp out. BIG mistake for this Christian girl. My husband pissed me off (I'll jsut say beads and leave it at that) on Saturday night. So I threw a hissy fit and we headed home at 3am Sunday morning knowing those free tickets would go to waste. I could have easily handled that, until my husband's buddy calls and and say "Chuck Liddell and Dana White are here." I spent the next several hours in hiding, partially because I was scared my husband would bite my head off, partially because I was afraid of myself. A week later Dana post a video blog showing him and Chuck out partying right in the area we were!

I wrote Dana and Chuck to expalin what happen and asked for autographs for my husband. They both sent them to him. :wink:

And on an even more off topic side note, the big wreck that happened at Dega that Sunday when debris flew into the stand and several people were injured, right where we were supposed to be sitting. Crazy.

lc87
01-19-2011, 05:56 AM
I think its ok to jack up the prices through the websites because they are through a licensed vendor. I dunno though.