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12-14-2010, 06:27 PM
Did you know when King George the First came to the throne, he was fifty second in the list of succession? Parliament had to skip FIFTY ONE living Roman Catholics to get to their new King.

The New King was German.


Parliament further more reduced the Kings power by introduction of a new position in the Government known as "the prime minister" This might have been because King George 1st didnt speak a word of English, and really only cared about his province in Germany. The King did not get along with Conservative English Politics because they had helpped in a War with Spain which had returned land to France, and the Catholics.

George the Second (the Son of the The First) was the opposite. He liked to speak English and he seemed to be more well loved also. Father and Son did not get along, this was shown when his Father went on a Trip back to Germany and did not Cast his Son in the traditional second in command role. But George the second made the best of it, and that news angered his Father who was jelous of his Sons popularity.


They Both moved into the same Palace and began to renovate their own areas of the Palace to try and out-do each other. Handels Water Music was one of the attempts of The First, to outdo his son :laugh:

Tensions continued between the two until the King Expelled his Son from the court and certain Royal Residences. A clever politician within the anti-conservative wing decided to broker a kind of truce between the Father and Son. A long standing member of the House of Commons, he was successful in restoring order within the Royal Household. Coupled with his handling of the first Financial Wobble of the Western World, He was now valued and pretty much in favour with everyone. So Mr Walpole became Englands first Prime Minister.

Then George the First departed on another trip back to Germany, and he neither reached his destination, nor returned.

And so the Crown passed to his Son King George the Second. King George the Second, much loved, and with his love of all things English, went WAY overboard with the pomp and Circumstance. It was he, who commissioned the infamous Coronational Anthem, Zadok The Priest, which became a piece of Liturgy as its quotes were taken directly from the Bible, and embellished by Handel, who his Father had taken such a liking to before.

But George the Second and Walpole didnt get on to well, George still had issues to do with the Prime Minister sorting out the Royal Household. But the Prime Mminster was too entrenched and able to appease in Parliament due to the powers of persuation he had. Most notably, the close friendship with George the Seconds Wife :laugh::laugh: He recognised she was the power behind her Husband, and She recognised that he could control Parliament for her.

But then Caroline...the Wife of King George the Second died...

12-14-2010, 11:06 PM

Carolines death was not the only factor to bring a close to the Premiership of Walpole. Even his own party disliked his level of corruption, bribary, and sucking up to what they perceived as the political enemy. Then there was there wish to war with France, which Walpole was reluctant to do for economic reasons, figuring war would bring about instability. He faced a vote of no confidence, and whilst he won it, it was such a slim majority that his resignation followed. He died less then three years later.

William Pitt succeeded him, he had been the protege of the oppositional party. He was so close to his protege, that he married into the family, and She did a lot of the behind the scenes work for him. It is thought that William Pitt was probably a manic depressant. Prone to bi-polarism, mood swings, and associated ailments.

William Pitt believed in three things. First he believed in Imperialism, in Empire Building, and he believed it on a World Wide Scale, not simply a European endevour. Secondly he believed in the Royal Navy, he decided that it was the Navy that could carry out this function the best. Finally he believed in the wealth and prosperity that is based on Trade gained from Empire.

But George the Second dissagreed that the Navy was the most important asset. He perfered the Army, infact he saw himself as the patron of the Army. Being Germanic in origin he valued conquest in Europe as the most important thing, and he thought that Foreign Policy was a matter for the King, not the Parliament to decide.

For nearly ten years William Pitt argued his cause, and the King would play his Veto.

Then England declaired war on France. This was known as The Seven Years War (one of MANY with France :laugh: ) It began when England lost control in the Med, and the King blamed the Navy and the person in charge of it was executed for dereliction of duty. William Pitt stepped up to the plate to be incharge of the war effort from there on out. He revamped the Navy and turned it into his Dream, Suddenly Victories against the French across the entire world were inevitable. War was won.

William Pitt asserted that it was the voice of the people that had bought him to the office of Prime Minister and allowed him to beat the French. His ability to speak and captivate an audience, and his ability to utilize new forms of media like the printing press meant his success was known, and he became adored by the public. (William Pitt is considered alongside Winston Churchill as one of the Greatest War Time leaders the country has ever had)

George the Second Died, following a trip to the Lav (im not sure anyone knows quite what happened to him in the loo...but he walked in, and came out a corpse :laugh: ) before sunset, King George the Third (the first English Born Hanoverian) had fallen out with William Pitt. William Pitt saw himself as the embodiement of English patriotism...unfortunately for him, so did George The Third.


William Pitt resigned.

The King had a problem with his knew Empire, and the new editions, and that was the fact it cost a lot more to run and look after. only 8 Million Collonists in "The New World" and they had somehow managed to up the cost of Empire by four times the amount!

Ministers in Parliament suggested that the "Americans" be forced to bear a mighty share of the cost, because the War against the French had helpped save them from French Rule and from Canadian Rule, Not to mention the Native Indians. Unlike other parts of the Empire, The American Collonial Outposts were now free from major threats. They were unlikely due to their Geography to be attacked, thanks to the British who had spent the last seven years riding the land of its most dangerous opposition. In response the Collonial outposts were growing very nice economies of their own. It was though that some of that wealth should come back to England. They had a VAST land, they had VAST resources...why should they not pay Vastly for it. After all, their cities were already Rivals to those established in Europe, and the Quality of life and country they enjoyed far better then already overpopulated and dirty England.

But The Americans had already decided that they were not simply a Collonial Outpost. In their minds eye, they were not Subject to England, but Her Equal in the Empire. They had already established versions of provincial rule, and copied, like no other part of the Empire, directly British ideologies. America was not an outpost, She was an exact extention of England its self. At least, in her Opinion. In all the Collonies there came to be Assemblies based on the Westminster House of Lords, where Land owners and Barons self governed the outpost.

You might say America is a snap shot of England 300 years ago in terms of Values. These American Values however were to stay in place whilst English Values changed and moved on. This inevitably meant the two had different, and suddenly opposing ideas of their place in the Universe. For England did not, and never did see America, or its self governing bodies as Equals. They were merely a jewel in a crown containing many Jewels. This was English Imperialism, NOT American Imperialism, Nor was it an Anglo-American Imperialism. As far as England was concerned, There was a clear heirachy. Westminster had full jurisdiction over the American Collonies. The Americans saw their Provincial Governments as Equal to Westminster...and therefore there was issues when Westminster started to pull rank over such issues as Stamp Duty.

The Virginian Assembly was the first to decide that it was not prepared to accept everything that Westminster Decreed. The Virginian Population did not consider themselves as Collonialists, they were British Citizens, and as such they had a right to democrasy. Largely they had a point, for America differed from every other collonial outpost. America was not made up of Americans...it was made up of British Settlers. These people were undeniably Citizens and not Conquests directly of the Mother Land. Therefore, they felt that by Moving to America, they had suddenly been wrongly classed as Foreigners and had been barred from British Politics itself. In Essence, the force of Westminster made them feel so rejected by what they considered their true homeland. They had no choice but to complain that they were not being heard democratically.

So they started to demonstrate, and protest against Westminster, and things started to spiral out of control in the Collonies. The British began to imply Military tactics to get the Collonies back into Order, but this only made matters worse. As a response to direct British Action, the Thirteen Assemblies decided to pool their resources, and Suddenly there was an Inter-Outpost level of self Governing that appeared out of nowhere, with representation of the entire American Establishment. When the unstable (and largely considered mad) King George heard the Americans had become somewhat United against Westminster...he decided they had become a Rebellion, and he aggreed with Parliament out of spite that if they would not do as he ordered, he would have to force them to do what he ordered.

Pulling troops from other parts of the Empire, King George sent in the Military to occupie the Outposts.

This pushed the American Outposts over the edge.

Thus appeared on the scene, the first True American. George Washington

12-14-2010, 11:13 PM

12-14-2010, 11:20 PM


Quiet...I'm trying to educate


12-14-2010, 11:40 PM

Virginia appeared to emerge as pretty much "the first amoung equals" of the American Establishment. They considered that King George the Third had violated them beyond reconciliation. They no longer wished to be part of the Empire. They no longer wished to be Subject to the Crown or Westminster. They no longer wished to be British Citizens at all.

Infact, they decided that as a Union of outposts, their Congressional Assembly could Govern itself, completely independantly. They got together and wrote a letter to England telling the King and Parliament that because they had been so badly treated, and because of actions they perceived as Hostile, they considered themselves independant, not part of the Empire, and Free of any British Imperialism

That did not go down to well in London

Niether did the little bit of news that as a free country, America decided it had the right to do trade with whoever they pleased. Namely, the French. This was not just an act of Treason, it was a double act of Treason that was perceived by King and country to mean, let us be free of the English, and work with the French :scared0015:

This was no idle threat. Infact before the war was over America and France were already best of friends, the French even helpped America in a Military capacity. A move that pushed the war effort in favour of the Outposts.

When the news of the loss of York Town reached Westminster...the Prime minster burst into the commons, wailing "Oh My GOD, its all over!" :laugh:

The loss of the American Collonies upset George the Third so much, he considered Abdication, and for a long time he left England and returned to Germany to collect himself, where he drafted a letter of abdication. But he never actually Abdicated...instead he lived with the brand (and signed a treaty to end the war)

"The King that Lost America"

Miss Foxy
12-14-2010, 11:55 PM
Ok if you are educating us Tyburn can I just purchase the cliff notes? :blink: This is very long and driven.

12-15-2010, 12:27 AM

Not long after the War of Independance, some of the Americanisms appeared to rub themselves off on the French. The French decided they didnt need a King either, and they Executed him to set up their own Republic.

England was Horrified

War broke out (again) between the English and French (its like a broken record...no? :laugh:) George the Third didnt really react. He was recovering from a bout of insanity. Who knows whether he was insane all along...or whether the insanity was just another thing caused by American Independance LOL

Mr Burke on the other hand was quite active. Having watched the french, he had published a book that predicted, three years previously, what was going to happen in France. Burke noted that Revolution involved distroying the old to rebuild the new...unfortunately, he noted with saddness, that it was tradition which made civilization and defined everything good about society. He was all for Reform...but he noted that Revolution doesnt preserve heratage, it wipes it out.

America, it seemed had inspired the whole world, to completely scrap thousands of years worth of history and tradition, in order to create something entirely knew...that is not how the revolution of the British Monarchy which had already happened following the Civil War did. The British Monarchy was Reformed...but the Revolution was not reforming Monarchies across Europe...it was destroying them.

George the Fourth was not like his Father, infact he considered George the Third to be a mean and nasty old man (The Americans would say "Tyrant" ) I dont suppose he wished to looose his head, but he was not very favourable of Monarchy, untill he read Burkes work. Then he decided he Aggreed. Monarchy, a Reformed Monarchy was better then Revolution. It provided Stability but prevented Tyrany....and Parliament saw that whilst George the Third who was still reigning, may have been an absolutest, and may have been at least in part, the tyrant the Americans had painted him as...he was old, weak, past it...and that was splendid, it meant he existed, but fell into the role of the benign Figure head...he had become an ideological symbol, and not really a person or ruller...thats fine...this idea of Monarchy had become ideological more the practical. This popularity of a reformed Tyrant reached its peak on his Golden Jubillee...unfortunately, during the celebration, George became unwell once again, and this time his senile nature was permanent. The year was 1810 and he started to go blind.


meanwhile George the Fourth was urged to marry and produce and heir, and German Custom dictated he had to marry someone already a Royal, being Protestant was also a requirement by British Law...so he found himself non to pleased with his wife. George the Fourth who was really only concerned with drink and luxury, was so gutted with his arranged marriage, he got wasted and spent his wedding night passed out due to drink :laugh:

However...before passing out, it seems that he decided Sex with a pig fugly french fry was alright after all, and unluckily for him, she conceived. He never slept with her ever again :laugh::laugh: So he separated from her after Charlotte was born.

With his Father deteriorating ever more, he effectively rulled without being King.

Meanwhile another prophecy of Burke in France became True. Burke said that following such a revolution, someone would inevitably rise to power and steer the Nation. Et Voile, Napolian! Napolian declared himself an "emporar" and he had a lavish ceremony. That really upset George the Fourth who felt that noone should be outdone in the area of pomp and circumstance, when it came to England. To make matters worse Wellington came under attack by French forces at Waterloo.

Wellington won...and to this day, if you travel from France to England via the Channel Tunnel and Eurostar, the first stop on the Train is...The Station of Waterloo :laugh:

Napolian eventually surrendered, and what a delight it was for the King to read a letter from a French Emporar that told him how fantastical he was. George the Fourth did love to be flattered. but this didnt stop the two trying to out do each other...this time it was who could build the best Capital City. King George the Fourth decided that London had to upstage Paris.

Then...at long last, the King who lost America, the Tyrant, The Senile old man...George the Third finally died, and George The Fourth could become a proper King. No Expense was spared, as I am sure you can quite imagine. George even sent his men to paris to make sure that His Coronational Outfit would be better then Napolians had been :rolleyes:

12-15-2010, 12:27 AM
Ok if you are educating us Tyburn can I just purchase the cliff notes? :blink: This is very long and driven.

Read in small doses...I am covering about three hundred years of British History :laugh:

12-15-2010, 06:45 PM

King George the Fourth then decided to visit Scotland. This had not been done by a King since the English Civil War. Naturally, it was the perfect excuse, for yet more pomp and circumstance. The Scots loved it as much as the English.

After King George Died, King William the fourth one of his Brothers, became the new Successor. He was in his mid 60s when he was crowned. William was Ex Forces, had a strange shapped head, and loved to waffle for hours in debate where he rarely had much of a point :laugh: But he did not do pomp at all. He didnt even move into Buckingham Palace when he asscended, but remained in the smaller house for the Heirs.

He aided the French King when he lost his thrown in a rebellion (the French Monarchy was restored after Napolian for a time) by putting him up in Scotland, the ideologies of independance had not gone away more then 60 years after the American Collonies had won their Freedom. France was still dangerously close to anarchy, and the Monarchy in England was still concerned this instability could take root in its own population. William didnt need to fear, because the population already placed its blame for anything negative at the feet of Parliament, NOT the King...even if war and revolution occured, the Government was already being considered entirely separately from the Monarchy, and its the Government that would have got it in the head if such a thing had ever taken place.

Parliament began a process of reform, following the return to power of the Whig political party. But these reforms kept being rejected by the House of Lords, because the Conservatives had been in power for so long, they held a living majority in the unellected House, which had to second the Commons bills in order for the law to be enacted. The Whigs called upon the King to establish more Peers for the Lords, so they may be able to pass their Reform. Despite William believing Reform was the only way to prevent a revolution still, he felt that deliberately creating a majority of peers for one political group, even if it was the one in power democratically, was a step to bias. He refused. This led to the Whig Prime Minister resigning, the Government passed back to the Conservatives.


The Whig population went into melt down. Uprising and Revolts began to show themselves in mass demonstrations in all major cities, there was even a call to bear arms against the Conservative Government.

So the King asked for the Conservatives to abstain in the Lords so that the Whig Reforms would go through, because if it did not, the rebellion would lead to complete revolution. They eventually caved to the pressure.

Following this The Kings health went down hill rapidly. He looked set to die, but had vowed that he would live long enough for Victoria to come of age so she may be his Heir, because he had no Dependants, and if he died before she reached 18 years of age, it would be her Mother who would effectively rule for her until she was old enough...and William did not get along with Victorias mother. He died, twenty three days after Victorias 18th Birthday.

Queen Victoria found herself to begin with, somewhat out of her depth, being a Female in a Male dominated Parliament, but the Prime Minister took her under his wing. They were both of the Whig inclination. Infact Victoria was quite a radical Whig, and when the Conservatives came round to try and rule again, Victoria made it as difficult as she possibly could for them. She was so terribly partisan, they decided she had to be married off as quickly as possible so that the Male influence in her life could listen to reason.

Thankfully, it was love at first sight. Victoria had met Albert, a Prince from a small area of Germany, they got along famously. He was quite the Modernist, believing in science, logic, reason, and progress. He would be good for her. Victoria wasnt in any hurry to marry...but couldnt help herself. :laugh:

Victoria and Albert were technically speaking like rabbits. They just wouldnt leave each other alone. EIGHT children in rather quick succession appeared very quickly after they were married.

It was a Union made of opposites. The Emotional Woman, met the Rational Man, and with her constantly having children, and suffering from terrible post natal depression. Albert began to be the dominant of the relationship. He had absolutely no worries about telling her exactly what he thought of her displays of emotion. He changed her from fiery Domanant into submissive housewife practically.


But there was another contradiction, whilst she was Whig, Albert had alliances with the Conservatives because they were far more into industrialization which was sweeping the landscape at the time. As the Industrial Revolution occured, Prince Albert could think of only one thing The Great Exhibition! Which was a huge showcase of English industry. It was a long and stressfull process, with lots of people against the idea. But finally it happened, and it was a Triumph, and international success. But Albert wasnt finished, he then threw himself into rebuilding the Palace of Westminster which had burned down during the reign of King William the Fourth.

All this work took its toll. Albert died very young, and Poor Queen Victoria never got over the loss. Without Albert she was back to her dominant self...except it was not the previous fire of a young woman...but the depressive and moody stuborness of a middleaged woman, who had lost the better part of herself.

Queen Victorias Children she decreed, would reign with Alberts Surname. The House of Hanover closed upon her death.