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Chris F
12-08-2010, 09:47 PM
Just curious for those who still enjoy the sweet scinece what they think of Rocky's HOF nod?

J.B.
12-08-2010, 10:05 PM
Today Cowherd went on and on about how great Rocky was for boxing....

Personally, I think its okay but its sad that more people wanna talk about Rocky than Mike Tyson, who is also being inducted.

adamt
12-08-2010, 10:16 PM
Today Cowherd went on and on about how great Rocky was for boxing....

Personally, I think its okay but its sad that more people wanna talk about Rocky than Mike Tyson, who is also being inducted.

mike tyson screwed himself, like favre or vick did

rocky is the most boxing 99.5% of americans have ever seen

Bonnie
12-08-2010, 10:26 PM
Rocky Balboa?...They are inducting a fictional boxing character into the hof? :unsure-1:

Edit: Okay, got it, Sylvester Stallone. If they want to give him an acknowledgement that's one thing, but to induct him into the HOF, nah.

Miss Foxy
12-08-2010, 10:29 PM
Today Cowherd went on and on about how great Rocky was for boxing....

Personally, I think its okay but its sad that more people wanna talk about Rocky than Mike Tyson, who is also being inducted.

I agree. I absolutely loved watching Tyson box! The man is awesome!

J.B.
12-08-2010, 10:48 PM
mike tyson screwed himself, like favre or vick did

rocky is the most boxing 99.5% of americans have ever seen

Right...:rolleyes:

Tell that to the millions of people who just watched Pacquiao dominate Margarito.

J.B.
12-08-2010, 10:49 PM
Rocky Balboa?...They are inducting a fictional boxing character into the hof? :unsure-1:

Edit: Okay, got it, Sylvester Stallone. If they want to give him an acknowledgement that's one thing, but to induct him into the HOF, nah.

It's because of the significance the movie had on the sport and because Sly has actually contributed a LOT to boxing besides that movie.

Abbott and Costello are in the Baseball HOF.

adamt
12-08-2010, 11:03 PM
Right...:rolleyes:

Tell that to the millions of people who just watched Pacquiao dominate Margarito.

JB i wasn't being snide....

yes P vs M got 1.15 million buys the population of america is over 300,000,000 a half of a percent is 1.5 million, last i checked 1.15 was still less than 1.5, plus i said americans, not illegal aliens, which we all know were half the buys for that show :tongue0011:

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:09 PM
JB i wasn't being snide....

yes P vs M got 1.15 million buys the population of america is over 300,000,000 a half of a percent is 1.5 million, last i checked 1.15 was still less than 1.5, plus i said americans, not illegal aliens, which we all know were half the buys for that show :tongue0011:

1 ppv buy equals one person? i have done that a couple of times, but i am sure 1ppv buy equals more than one person ..

Miss Foxy
12-08-2010, 11:09 PM
1 ppv buy equals one person? i have done that a couple of times, but i am sure 1ppv buy equals more than one person ..

:laugh:

Chris F
12-08-2010, 11:10 PM
Today Cowherd went on and on about how great Rocky was for boxing....

Personally, I think its okay but its sad that more people wanna talk about Rocky than Mike Tyson, who is also being inducted.

Yeah and Chaves Tyszu also both good boxers. I think Rocky did alot for the sport and as you have said Abbott and Castello are in the baseball HOF.

BTW.... YOu said you were going to check out the Morrison fight on the 21st of Novemeber did you see it? I cannot find anything about it anywhere.

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Yeah and Chaves Tyszu also both good boxers. I think Rocky did alot for the sport and as you have said Abbott and Castello are in the baseball HOF.

BTW.... YOu said you were going to check out the Morrison fight on the 21st of Novemeber did you see it? I cannot find anything about it anywhere.

did you just say Chavez was good?

Chris F
12-08-2010, 11:17 PM
did you just say Chavez was good?

Yeah I did seeing how he won titles in 3 classes. Or are you being faceitous because I did not say great.

Miss Foxy
12-08-2010, 11:20 PM
JB i wasn't being snide....

yes P vs M got 1.15 million buys the population of america is over 300,000,000 a half of a percent is 1.5 million, last i checked 1.15 was still less than 1.5, plus i said americans, not illegal aliens, which we all know were half the buys for that show :tongue0011:

No the "illegals" get their cable free..They have "hot cable" :laugh:

J.B.
12-08-2010, 11:20 PM
JB i wasn't being snide....

yes P vs M got 1.15 million buys the population of america is over 300,000,000 a half of a percent is 1.5 million, last i checked 1.15 was still less than 1.5, plus i said americans, not illegal aliens, which we all know were half the buys for that show :tongue0011:

Who cares about percentages? 1.15 million voices are still louder than 1. Plus, that's just the PPV buys, that doesn't equate to how many people actually watched the fight, and it certainly doesn't speak to how many people still love the sport of Boxing.

I know you don't like Boxing, we've had that discussion before, but if you think that most Americans knowledge of Boxing is limited to Rocky than you are wrong. Boxing has a very deep history, and that movie wouldn't even exist if Chuck Wepner hadn't kept coming back for more even though Muhammad Ali was whopping his ass.

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:20 PM
Yeah I did seeing how he won titles in 3 classes. Or are you being faceitous because I did not say great.

yeah, imo he is one of the greatest ... top 10 all time maybe ... but that is just me ...

Miss Foxy
12-08-2010, 11:21 PM
yeah, imo he is one of the greatest ... top 10 all time maybe ... but that is just me ...

Julio Cesar right?

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:22 PM
Julio Cesar right?

si senorita ..

J.B.
12-08-2010, 11:23 PM
Yeah and Chaves Tyszu also both good boxers. I think Rocky did alot for the sport and as you have said Abbott and Castello are in the baseball HOF.

BTW.... YOu said you were going to check out the Morrison fight on the 21st of Novemeber did you see it? I cannot find anything about it anywhere.

Ya know, thanks for reminding me...I started a thread on this months ago when they announced Tyson and Chavez and I can't believe that I actually forgot about Chavez today too...

All day people have asking me about Rocky and not a single person mentioned Tyson or Chavez. It's freakin hilarious.

I actually think the Morrison fight fell through, but if it did happen I didn't see it and nobody reported on it.

Miss Foxy
12-08-2010, 11:25 PM
si senorita ..

He's a bad moflo!!! Whooped some butt. Now the Mexican boxers mostly suck!! His son Omar is to watch for though.. I think Omar is better than the other son Julio..

J.B.
12-08-2010, 11:27 PM
yeah, imo he is one of the greatest ... top 10 all time maybe ... but that is just me ...

Top 20, definitely

Top 15, on my list

Top 10, may be pushing it a little


That's something I love about Boxing though, everybody's list is different. :)

J.B.
12-08-2010, 11:29 PM
He's a bad moflo!!! Whooped some butt. Now the Mexican boxers mostly suck!! His son Omar is to watch for though.. I think Omar is better than the other son Julio..

Mexico still has a rich history of Boxers and it always will.

Mexico City is basically the epicenter of boxing in a lot of ways.

JC Chavez Jr is popular, but if he fights Pacquiao he is going to get slaughtered.

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:29 PM
Top 20, definitely

Top 15, on my list

Top 10, may be pushing it a little


That's something I love about Boxing though, everybody's list is different. :)

very debatable subject ... would be fun ... i always liked him, but he was a badass in the haugen fight .. especially for the crap greg talked ... LOL

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:30 PM
He's a bad moflo!!! Whooped some butt. Now the Mexican boxers mostly suck!! His son Omar is to watch for though.. I think Omar is better than the other son Julio..

YES YES .. See my Greg Haugen comment LOL ^^^

Miss Foxy
12-08-2010, 11:31 PM
Mexico still has a rich history of Boxers and it always will.

Mexico City is basically the epicenter of boxing in a lot of ways.

True.. It's always a fun thing to watch upcoming boxers and root for them based on where they are from!! lol.

Miss Foxy
12-08-2010, 11:33 PM
Known for his ferocious and intimidating boxing style that catapulted him to the pinnacle of boxing, Tyson (50-6, 44 KOs) holds the distinction of being the youngest heavyweight champion in history at age 20.

The former undisputed heavyweight champís controversial behavior both inside and outside the ring contributed to his downfall.

Tyson demolished his opponents in his first 37 fights, with only four reaching the final bell.

Tyson conquered the likes of Michael Spinks, Larry Holmes, Pinklon Thomas, Trevor Berbick, James "Bonecrusher" Smith among others.

Chavez, regarded by many as the best fighter in Mexicoís rich fighting history, compiled 107 wins over 115 fights, posting 87 straight victories to start his career, and 86 knockouts over a 25-year boxing career.

For many years, Chavez was considered one of the top fighters in the world, pound-for-pound.

Among his notable wins were against Edwin Rosario, Greg Haugen, Hector Camacho, Meldrick Taylor, Roger Mayweather and Juan Laporte.



Read more: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7020754570?Mike%20Tyson,%20Julio%20Cesar%20Chavez% 20To%20Enter%20Boxing%20Hall%20Of%20Fame#ixzz17ZAD BOiH

Chris F
12-08-2010, 11:34 PM
Top 20, definitely

Top 15, on my list

Top 10, may be pushing it a little


That's something I love about Boxing though, everybody's list is different. :)

Yeah my list would be laughed at to purist because I like underdogs. I am the type who thinks people like George Chavulo and Tex Cobb deserve more credit than they get. Its hard to be a moving heavy bag for all those studds :laugh: Chaves and Tyson both top 10 guys on my list but I must stay true to my Italian blood and say Italians are better than the Mexicans. :wink:

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:36 PM
Yeah my list would be laughed at to purist because I like underdogs. I am the type who thinks people like George Chavulo and Tex Cobb deserve more credit than they get. Its hard to be a moving heavy bag for all those studds :laugh: Chaves and Tyson both top 10 guys on my list but I must stay true to my Italian blood and say Italians are better than the Mexicans. :wink:

reppin the canadian .... GC was badass ... and the nicest guy you'll ever meet ... with all he is been through, you would think he would be the most bitter person in the world ... one of canada's greatest ever athletes ..

J.B.
12-08-2010, 11:39 PM
Yeah my list would be laughed at to purist because I like underdogs. I am the type who thinks people like George Chavulo and Tex Cobb deserve more credit than they get. Its hard to be a moving heavy bag for all those studds :laugh: Chaves and Tyson both top 10 guys on my list but I must stay true to my Italian blood and say Italians are better than the Mexicans. :wink:

See, that's another thing I always loved was the nationalism. Since I was a kid, Boxing just had that global feeling and people really cared about their fighters. It's kind of gotten away from that with the younger fans in America because the media sometimes acts as if being proud of America is a dirty thing to do, and because the talent pool of American heavyweights have declined since the 90's.

George Chuvalo and Tex Cobb were both tough SOB's, nobody would ever deny that.

Chris F
12-08-2010, 11:41 PM
reppin the canadian .... GC was badass ... and the nicest guy you'll ever meet ... with all he is been through, you would think he would be the most bitter person in the world ... one of canada's greatest ever athletes ..

He came to Tulsa a few years back he is a very nice guy, very approachable unlike a lot of boxers I have met in the past. Him "Quick" Tillis told some awesome stories.

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:42 PM
See, that's another thing I always loved was the nationalism. Since I was a kid, Boxing just had that global feeling and people really cared about their fighters. It's kind of gotten away from that with the younger fans in America because the media sometimes acts as if being proud of America is a dirty thing to do, and because the talent pool of American heavyweights have declined since the 90's.

George Chuvalo and Tex Cobb were both tough SOB's, nobody would ever deny that.

not to mention great actors ...

Chris F
12-08-2010, 11:44 PM
See, that's another thing I always loved was the nationalism. Since I was a kid, Boxing just had that global feeling and people really cared about their fighters. It's kind of gotten away from that with the younger fans in America because the media sometimes acts as if being proud of America is a dirty thing to do, and because the talent pool of American heavyweights have declined since the 90's.

George Chuvalo and Tex Cobb were both tough SOB's, nobody would ever deny that.

Best chins in the sport no doubt

Chris F
12-08-2010, 11:45 PM
not to mention great actors ...

George did some acting I did not know that

J.B.
12-08-2010, 11:48 PM
not to mention great actors ...

I know Cobb has been in a ton of movies, but I wasn't aware that George did some acting too. I've seen him in documentaries but I can't believe I didn't know he was in Dirty Work, haven't seen that flick in a long time. :laugh:

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:49 PM
George did some acting I did not know that

yeah, i know he's done some ... he is the dude in The Fly that gets his arm broken in the arm wrestle with goldblum ... and he is a professor that gets killed in one of the prom night movies ... good stuff

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:50 PM
I know Cobb has been in a ton of movies, but I wasn't aware that George did some acting too. I've seen him in documentaries but I can't believe I didn't know he was in Dirty Work, haven't seen that flick in a long time. :laugh:

yeah, cobb was good in one of the better underated films uncommon valor ... great movie ... but he was awesome in the golden child

Chris F
12-08-2010, 11:54 PM
Best boxer turned actor is Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini yeah maybe I am biased but Turn of faith, Body and Soul and Red belt were good flicks

J.B.
12-08-2010, 11:54 PM
yeah, cobb was good in one of the better underated films uncommon valor ... great movie ... but he was awesome in the golden child

Haven't seen Valor, but Golden Child is classic. I would probably say Eddie Murphy is my all time favorite actor though, so I love anything he does. :laugh:

My favorite Tex Cobb character is the Outlaw in Raising Arizona

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6PdqnU6wpGppsM:http://www.tigersweat.com/movies/arizona/ariz15.jpg&t=1

Chris F
12-08-2010, 11:55 PM
Haven't seen Valor, but Golden Child is classic. I would probably say Eddie Murphy is my all time favorite actor though, so I love anything he does. :laugh:

My favorite Tex Cobb character is the Outlaw in Raising Arizona
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6PdqnU6wpGppsM:http://www.tigersweat.com/movies/arizona/ariz15.jpg&t=1

Agreed!

rearnakedchoke
12-08-2010, 11:57 PM
Haven't seen Valor, but Golden Child is classic. I would probably say Eddie Murphy is my all time favorite actor though, so I love anything he does. :laugh:

My favorite Tex Cobb character is the Outlaw in Raising Arizona

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6PdqnU6wpGppsM:http://www.tigersweat.com/movies/arizona/ariz15.jpg&t=1

i say i-i -i -i -i -i -i -want the knife ...

J.B.
12-09-2010, 12:04 AM
i say i-i -i -i -i -i -i -want the knife ...

:laugh:

J.B.
12-09-2010, 12:06 AM
Best boxer turned actor is Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini yeah maybe I am biased but Turn of faith, Body and Soul and Red belt were good flicks

Boom Boom is great. It's terribly sad what happened to Kim when they fought and how much of an impact it had on Mancini's life afterward.

Chris F
12-09-2010, 12:10 AM
Boom Boom is great. It's terribly sad what happened to Kim when they fought and how much of an impact it had on Mancini's life afterward.

Yeah he avoids a lot of boxing stuff now because of it. The ref even killed himself. He said he loves the sport still but has moved on. It is sad

J.B.
12-09-2010, 12:16 AM
Yeah he avoids a lot of boxing stuff now because of it. The ref even killed himself. He said he loves the sport still but has moved on. It is sad

It's the worst thing that can possibly happen in this sport. Going back to Rocky, the single most memorable moment of any of the movies is probably when Drago killed Apollo Creed. It's already happened in MMA, and it will happen again at some point. I just hope that we never see it on a major televised card or with a well known fighter. Obviously I pray it never happens to ANY fighter, but the backlash on the sport if were to happen on a UFC card would be horrible for the sport.

Chris F
12-09-2010, 12:23 AM
It's the worst thing that can possibly happen in this sport. Going back to Rocky, the single most memorable moment of any of the movies is probably when Drago killed Apollo Creed. It's already happened in MMA, and it will happen again at some point. I just hope that we never see it on a major televised card or with a well known fighter. Obviously I pray it never happens to ANY fighter, but the backlash on the sport if were to happen on a UFC card would be horrible for the sport.

The ref should've stopped it. Maybe Ray should have been like Larry Holmes and pull back but Kim was a warrior.

J.B.
12-09-2010, 12:28 AM
The ref should've stopped it. Maybe Ray should have been like Larry Holmes and pull back but Kim was a warrior.

No doubt it should have been stopped.

I also know that most of the deaths or traumatic brain injuries we see in boxing are a result of the prolonged beating to the head during a match that doesn't exist on the same level in MMA. However, sometimes it literally only takes one punch. I know I've mentioned it before, but there was a girl named Becky Zerlentes in Colorado who got killed by one punch in an amateur fight a few years back, and she had no pre-existing conditions or anything. It's rare, but it does happen.

adamt
12-09-2010, 02:36 AM
1 ppv buy equals one person? i have done that a couple of times, but i am sure 1ppv buy equals more than one person ..

yeah good point, but it is beside the point, point is, rocky is the extent of alot of americans knowledge of boxing, but it also did alot to hype boxing

No the "illegals" get their cable free..They have "hot cable" :laugh:

:laugh: +1

Who cares about percentages? 1.15 million voices are still louder than 1. huh?Plus, that's just the PPV buys, that doesn't equate to how many people actually watched the fight, and it certainly doesn't speak to how many people still love the sport of Boxing.

I know you don't like Boxing, we've had that discussion before, but if you think that most Americans knowledge of Boxing is limited to Rocky than you are wrong. Boxing has a very deep history, and that movie wouldn't even exist if Chuck Wepner hadn't kept coming back for more even though Muhammad Ali was whopping his ass.

well for your own benefit, there is no point in ruining this thread, because of my lack of appreciation for boxing, which is my own problem, but my point, however poorly made was that rocky was good for boxing, and tyson was an awesome boxer that shot himself in the foot


anyways, not to derail a perfectly good thread, you guys might enjoyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywuse55qU2A, it kinda has something to do with the thread

J.B.
12-09-2010, 03:14 AM
well for your own benefit, there is no point in ruining this thread, because of my lack of appreciation for boxing, which is my own problem, but my point, however poorly made was that rocky was good for boxing, and tyson was an awesome boxer that shot himself in the foot


I absolutely agree that Rocky was good for boxing and even agree with Stallone being inducted into the Hall of Fame. However I don't really agree when you say that most people's only exposure to the sport is through those movies. For some people who are from the era of the 80's when those movies were at the height of their popularity that may be true or have been true at that time, but I find the idea that the movie completely overshadows the North American exposure from the sport a pretty big stretch. The movie and it's success is a byproduct of the sport, not the other way around.

Tyson definitely shot himself the foot, on numerous occasions. Still his problems outside the sport have no bearing on his accomplishments inside the ring, and he is definitely deserving of the HOF. He's also a very educated student of the game, and I'm surprised he doesn't work more closely with the sport in an analytical nature. He's definitely raw on the microphone, but Tyson has forgotten more about the sport of Boxing then I could ever hope to know, and I think he would be entertaining on broadcasts.

Bonnie
12-09-2010, 03:48 AM
It's because of the significance the movie had on the sport and because Sly has actually contributed a LOT to boxing besides that movie.

Abbott and Costello are in the Baseball HOF.

Huh, didn't know that. Are coaches and other people associated with boxing (other than the boxers) voted into the HOF too? Is that how it is for all of the different sports HOFs--anyone who contributes a lot can be elected or voted in...not just the athletes or coaches?

J.B.
12-09-2010, 04:26 AM
Huh, didn't know that. Are coaches and other people associated with boxing (other than the boxers) voted into the HOF too? Is that how it is for all of the different sports HOFs--anyone who contributes a lot can be elected or voted in...not just the athletes or coaches?

The Boxing HOF has 5 categories.

* Modern (Last bout no earlier than 1943)

* Old-Timer (Last bout no earlier than 1893; no later than 1942)

* Pioneer (Last bout in or prior to 1892),

* Non- Participant (Those who have made contributions to the sport
apart from roles as boxers or observers. Based upon a candidates achievements and contributions in their particular field)

* Observer (Print and media journalists, publishers, writers,
historians, photographers and artists)

Besides just the Rocky series, Stallone has always been a huge supporter of the sport. He also is the Executive Producer of "The Contender" TV series (basically boxing's equivalent of TUF) on ESPN which gives up and coming boxers a ton of exposure.

I know other sports HOF's also induct outside participants, like broadcasters and journalists in other capacities too.

Chris F
12-09-2010, 04:53 AM
Huh, didn't know that. Are coaches and other people associated with boxing (other than the boxers) voted into the HOF too? Is that how it is for all of the different sports HOFs--anyone who contributes a lot can be elected or voted in...not just the athletes or coaches?

Not sure but I think Howard Cossel was for his annoucing but he renouced the sport and walked away after Holmes pummled Cobb and the ref did not stop it.

Chris F
12-09-2010, 04:54 AM
The Boxing HOF has 5 categories.

* Modern (Last bout no earlier than 1943)

* Old-Timer (Last bout no earlier than 1893; no later than 1942)

* Pioneer (Last bout in or prior to 1892),

* Non- Participant (Those who have made contributions to the sport
apart from roles as boxers or observers. Based upon a candidates achievements and contributions in their particular field)

* Observer (Print and media journalists, publishers, writers,
historians, photographers and artists)

Besides just the Rocky series, Stallone has always been a huge supporter of the sport. He also is the Executive Producer of "The Contender" TV series (basically boxing's equivalent of TUF) on ESPN which gives up and coming boxers a ton of exposure.

I know other sports HOF's also induct outside participants, like broadcasters and journalists in other capacities too.

Pete Rose is in the WWE HOF :laugh:

J.B.
12-09-2010, 05:36 AM
Here is the list of the of 12 inductees for 2011. Nice to see Joe Cortez getting the nod too.

MIKE TYSON—Born Michael Gerald Tyson on June 30, 1966, in Brooklyn, N.Y. A standout amateur, Tyson was 1984 National Golden Gloves champion. Following a controversial loss to Henry Tillman at the 1984 Olympic trials, he turned pro in 1985. Behind his trademark peek-a-boo defense, quick hand speed and swarming combination punching, Tyson scored 19 straight knockouts. After going the 10-round limit in consecutive fights with James “Quick” Tillis and Mitch Green, Tyson had six more knockouts in a row before stopping WBC champion Trevor Berbick in the second round in 1986 to become the youngest heavyweight champion in history at age 20. He added the WBA title with a 12-round decision over James Smith in 1987 and unified the titles later in the year with a 12-round victory over IBF champion Tony Tucker. Tyson defended the unified titles six times in victories over Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs, Frank Bruno and Carl Williams, then stopped Michael Spinks in 91 seconds to earn universal recognition as champion in 1988. Two years later, Tyson lost the title to James “Buster” Douglas, then rebounded with four wins, two against Donovan “Razor” Ruddock. A proposed title fight in 1991 with Evander Holyfield was postponed because of a rib injury. Tyson reclaimed the WBC and WBA titles in 1996 by knocking out Bruno in three rounds and Bruce Seldon in the first round. That same year he lost the WBA belt to Holyfield in 11 rounds and was disqualified in the 1997 rematch after biting both of Holyfield’s ears. From 1999-2001 Tyson fought six times, beating Frans Botha in five rounds, Lou Savarese in one, and Brian Nielsen in seven. In 2002, Tyson suffered an eighth-round knockout in an unsuccessful title bid against Lennox Lewis and retired in 2005 with a 50-6-2 record with 44 knockouts.
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JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ—Born July 12, 1962 in Ciudad Obregon, Sonora, Mexico. Turned pro in 1980 after a 13-bout amateur career. Undefeated after 43 fights, he scored an eighth-round knockout of Mario Martinez to win the 1984 WBC super featherweight title. He made nine successive defenses before beating Edwin Rosario for the WBA lightweight title in 1987. He added the WBC title with a win over Jose Luis Ramirez in 1988 and became a three-division world champion when he won the WBC junior welterweight crown from Roger Mayweather in 1989. His impressive string of 12 title defenses included wins over Hector Camacho, and Greg Haugen in front of a record crowd of 132,274, and in 1990 Chavez stopped IBF titleholder Meldrick Taylor with 2 seconds left in the fight to unify titles. Chavez moved up in weight and drew with WBC welterweight champ Pernell Whitaker in a 1993 title bout. After compiling an 89-0-1 record, Chavez lost the WBC junior welterweight title to Frankie Randall in 1994, then reclaimed the title in a rematch and reigned until getting knocked out in four rounds by Oscar De La Hoya in 1996. Chavez challenged for world titles three more times and lost each time before retiring in 2005 with a professional record of 107-6-2 with 88 knockouts.

KOSTYA TSZYU—Born Konstantin Borisovich Tszyu on Sept. 19, 1969, in Serov, Russia. A decorated amateur, Tszyu compiled a 259-11 record and won three European championships, took gold at the 1990 Goodwill Games, represented Russia at the 1988 Summer Olympics and beat Vernon Forrest to win the 1991 light welterweight World Amateur Championship in Australia. Moved to Australia in 1992 and turned pro, defeating Juan LaPorte in his fourth bout and Livingstone Bramble in his 10th pro fight. Tszyu defeated Jake Rodriguez for the IBF junior welterweight title in 1995 and defended the title five times, including victories over Roger Mayweather and Hugo Pineda before being upset in a 10th-round knockout by Vince Phillips in 1997. In 1998, Tszyu beat Diosbelys Hurtado for the interim WBC junior welterweight title and stopped Miguel Angel Gonzalez in 1999 to capture the WBC title outright. Tszyu consolidated titles by defeating WBA champ Sharmba Mitchell and scoring a second-round knockout of IBF champ Zab Judah in 2001. He made successful defenses against Ben Tackie and Jesse James Leija before a series of injuries led the WBC and WBA to strip him of the titles. Tszyu returned to knock out Mitchell in three rounds before losing the IBF title to Ricky Hatton in 2005 in his final fight. He finished with a pro record of 31-2-1 with 25 knockouts.

MEMPHIS PAL MOORE—Born Thomas Wilson Moore on July 28, 1894 in Memphis, Tenn. Began his professional career in 1913 and although he never became a champion, he distinguished himself as one of the top bantamweights of his era, regularly defeating champions of the time in no-decision or over-the-weight bouts. Moore fought more than a dozen boxers who became world champions, including Hall of Famers Kid Williams, Pete Herman, Joe Lynch, Jimmy Wilde and Frankie Genaro. Moore had several multi-fight rivalries, including 10 bouts with Lynch, seven with Jackie Sharkey and five with Carl Tremaine. Moore retired in 1930 after more than 200 pro fights. He died in 1953.

JACK ROOT—Born Janos Ruthaly on May 26, 1876, in the Czech Republic. Turned professional in Chicago in 1897 and posted more than 40 wins before losing to George Gardner on a knockout in the 17th round of a 1902 bout. He then registered two more wins, including a six-round triumph over Marvin Hart, before vying for the newly created light heavyweight title created by his manager, Lou Houseman. Root became the division’s first champion with a 1903 win over Kid McCoy. He dropped the title to Gardner in his first defense and was stopped by Hart in 12 rounds in 1905 for the vacant heavyweight title. Root retired with a record of 47-3-3 with 28 knockouts.

DAVE SHADE—Born March 1, 1902, in Vallejo, Calif. Turned pro in 1918 and engaged in dozens of four-round bouts before receiving high praise after a knockdown of welterweight champ Jack Britton in 1921. Overshadowed early in his career by his older brothers, Shade eventually became a star. He met Mickey Walker twice in 1921, losing in the eighth round when he broke an arm and in a 12-round no-decision, and drew with Britton in a welterweight title bid the next year. In 1925, Shade, at 153 pounds, shocked the boxing world when he stopped future light heavyweight champion Jimmy Slattery in three rounds. Shade met Walker for the welterweight title later that year, losing a controversial 15-round decision. Shade eventually moved up to middleweight and defeated Ace Hudkins, Ben Jeby, and Al Gainer. Shade retired in 1935 with a record of 124-23-46 with 14 knockouts and 26 no-decisions. He died in 1983.

JOHN GULLY—Born Aug. 21, 1783 in Wick-on-Anson, England. Following his father’s death, Gully took over the family butcher shop at age 13, amassed considerable debt, and was sent to debtors prison at age 21. Heavyweight champion Henry Pearce, a boyhood friend, visited him in prison and they staged a boxing exhibition for the inmates. Gully got the better of Pearce and wealthy sportsmen paid his debt so he could pursue a boxing career. Gully met Pearce for the title in London in 1805, but the experienced champion won in 64 rounds. When Pearce retired two years later, Gully was regarded as the champion and solidified his claim to the title with two wins over Bob Gregson—in 36 and 24 rounds. Gully retired after the second Gregson bout and became a successful pub owner, bookmaker and coal miner and was elected to Parliament in 1832, serving seven years. He died in 1863.

IGNACIO “NACHO” BERISTAIN—Mexico’s trainer of champions, Beristain began his career working for the Mexican government and trained Mexico’s boxing team at four Olympic Games. In the pro ranks, Beristain has trained 19 champions, including three Hall of Famers—strawweight and light flyweight Ricardo “Finito” Lopez, junior flyweight Humberto “Chiquita” Gonzalez, and bantamweight-super bantamweight Daniel Zaragoza.

A.F. BETTINSON—A former amateur lightweight champion of England, Bettinson became a promoter and with John Fleming in 1891 founded the National Sport Club (NSC), which hosted many of the top boxers of the day. Bouts took place after dinner and featured such standouts as Joe Walcott, Tommy Ryan, Jimmy Wilde, Ted “Kid” Lewis, Georges Carpentier, and Kid McCoy. Bettinson had strict rules. Boxers had to behave and members and guests were not permitted to talk during the action. The influence of the NCS was profound. In 1909 it standardized divisions and weight limits before authorizing British title bouts and arranged for the presentation of championship belts.

JOE CORTEZ—Born Oct. 13, 1943 in New York City, he registered a 43-2 record as an amateur boxer, winning six Golden Gloves tournaments. He turned pro in 1963 and compiled an 18-1 record before retiring in 1971. Five years later, he began refereeing amateur bouts and soon turned pro, officiating his first world title bout in 1982, WBA junior welterweight champion Aaron Pryor’s 12th-round knockout of Miguel Montilla. He has since become one of the most respected referees in boxing, calling 160 title bouts. He’s also appeared as a referee in two movies.

HARRY CARPENTER—The voice of British Broadcasting Corp. boxing for over 40 years, Carpenter covered his first bout for the BBC in 1949 and became its full-time boxing correspondent in 1962. He called ringside action around the world until his retirement in 1994, including the “Rumble in the Jungle” between Muhammad Ali and George Foreman and the “Thrilla in Manila” between Ali and Joe Frazier. Prior to working for the BBC, Carpenter was on the staff of the London Daily Mail for eight years as a boxing and general sports columnist and also covered three Olympic Games. He died in March 2010 at age 84.

SYLVESTER STALLONE—Born in New York City on July 6, 1946. Became an actor and screenwriter and penned the script about an underdog boxer from Philadelphia named Rocky Balboa. The movie “Rocky” was released in 1976 and was nominated for 10 Academy Awards, winning for best picture, best director and best film editing. Stallone was nominated for best writing and best actor in a leading role. Stallone also wrote five other movies based on the Rocky Balboa character and in 2006 was awarded the Boxing Writers Association of America award for “Lifetime Cinematic Achievement in Boxing.” He also hosted and produced the boxing reality series “The Contender.”

J.B.
12-09-2010, 05:43 AM
Pete Rose is in the WWE HOF :laugh:

That kinda reminds me too, Charles "Mask" Lewis is in the UFC Hall of Fame. I don't see a problem with that either.

Bonnie
12-09-2010, 06:52 AM
The Boxing HOF has 5 categories.

* Modern (Last bout no earlier than 1943)

* Old-Timer (Last bout no earlier than 1893; no later than 1942)

* Pioneer (Last bout in or prior to 1892),

* Non- Participant (Those who have made contributions to the sport
apart from roles as boxers or observers. Based upon a candidates achievements and contributions in their particular field)

* Observer (Print and media journalists, publishers, writers,
historians, photographers and artists)

Besides just the Rocky series, Stallone has always been a huge supporter of the sport. He also is the Executive Producer of "The Contender" TV series (basically boxing's equivalent of TUF) on ESPN which gives up and coming boxers a ton of exposure.

I know other sports HOF's also induct outside participants, like broadcasters and journalists in other capacities too.

Thanks JB. :)

Just from the little I've read, some seem happy about "Rocky's" induction, others disdainful; but if they've got a category for it...

County Mike
12-09-2010, 12:38 PM
The Rocky movies have done a lot to promote interest in boxing. Probably more than any single boxing event or boxer. The movies should be mentioned in the hall of fame.

adamt
12-09-2010, 12:39 PM
Tyson definitely shot himself the foot, on numerous occasions. Still his problems outside the sport have no bearing on his accomplishments inside the ring, and he is definitely deserving of the HOF. He's also a very educated student of the game, and I'm surprised he doesn't work more closely with the sport in an analytical nature. He's definitely raw on the microphone, but Tyson has forgotten more about the sport of Boxing then I could ever hope to know, and I think he would be entertaining on broadcasts.

yeah, and to add to that though, i think lately tyson has been somewhat redeeming himself , but there is no doubt tyson is deserving

that being said, i think some people are incapable of managing themselves to their fullest ability

tyson was one, michael jackson would be another good example

some people NEED to be managed, very closely

look at oj, he was a scumbag and his management cleared him of murder

tyson had some faults but in the end i think if he had the correct pr, legal help, life coaching and what not, he wouldn't have had the stain on his past that he might now

J.B.
12-09-2010, 01:21 PM
yeah, and to add to that though, i think lately tyson has been somewhat redeeming himself , but there is no doubt tyson is deserving

that being said, i think some people are incapable of managing themselves to their fullest ability

tyson was one, michael jackson would be another good example

some people NEED to be managed, very closely

look at oj, he was a scumbag and his management cleared him of murder

tyson had some faults but in the end i think if he had the correct pr, legal help, life coaching and what not, he wouldn't have had the stain on his past that he might now


Jackson and Tyson definitely had issues in their childhood that caused them to have issues later in life. O.J., well that guy is just a plain douche. LOL

J.B.
12-09-2010, 01:51 PM
The Rocky movies have done a lot to promote interest in boxing. Probably more than any single boxing event or boxer.

Thats kinda like saying Griffin vs Bonner and TUF is solely responsible for the explosion of MMA. Sure, it brought a lot of new fans in at first, and the series has kept generating attention through today. However it's the sport itself and the athletes involved that keep popularity thriving. There are tons of new fans in MMA and Boxing that are constantly being generated who have never seen TUF or Rocky.

adamt
12-09-2010, 03:17 PM
Jackson and Tyson definitely had issues in their childhood that caused them to have issues later in life. O.J., well that guy is just a plain douche. LOL

yeah that's my point...

jackson should have never been allowed to manage himself....

someone should have cared enough about him to protect him from himself and other leeches, but he didn't have that and didn't know enough to get it

oj however bought someone to manage him, and it helped

props to tyson though for his current attitude

County Mike
12-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Thats kinda like saying Griffin vs Bonner and TUF is solely responsible for the explosion of MMA. Sure, it brought a lot of new fans in at first, and the series has kept generating attention through today. However it's the sport itself and the athletes involved that keep popularity thriving. There are tons of new fans in MMA and Boxing that are constantly being generated who have never seen TUF or Rocky.

No, it isn't the same. I didn't say Rocky was SOLELY responsible. I said it had a big impact on boxing's popularity. Griffin/Bonner also had a big impact on MMA's popularity. "Big Impact" is accurate for both.

J.B.
12-09-2010, 03:39 PM
yeah that's my point...

jackson should have never been allowed to manage himself....

someone should have cared enough about him to protect him from himself and other leeches, but he didn't have that and didn't know enough to get it

oj however bought someone to manage him, and it helped

props to tyson though for his current attitude

OJ just really spent a ton of money on a legal defense to get out of the criminal charges. Nobody really managed him besides that though, and that's why he is in prison now.

With Jackson, it was kinda out of everybody's hands in some respects. His life didn't really spin out of control until after the burn incident, which took a lot of painful recovery and many say is what got him hooked on pain killers and the overwhelming need to feel medicated. However at that point he was already a global mega-star, one of the biggest the world has ever seen, and he had been engaged in that celebrity lifestyle from the time he was 8 years old. There was only so much the people around him could really do to control him once he had all that money, and he spent a long time trying to re-live a childhood he thought he missed out on. I'm sure his closest family members and friends told him he was out of control with the lavish spending and behind-closed-doors use of drugs, but at the same time he had way to many "yes men" around him. It's sad that he was so conflicted in life, but I guess that's the price he had to pay for being the figure he was in this world.

I am happy to see Mike getting his life together. Not sure if you've seen any recent pictures of Tyson, but he's back in shape and he looks damn good considering how fat he got only a few years ago. He is actually back down to his fighting weight from the early 90's. Rumor has it he even turned down $50 million last year to come back to boxing and face Holyfield for a 3rd time, he said his heart just isn't in fighting anymore.

Miss Foxy
12-09-2010, 04:52 PM
OJ just really spent a ton of money on a legal defense to get out of the criminal charges. Nobody really managed him besides that though, and that's why he is in prison now.

With Jackson, it was kinda out of everybody's hands in some respects. His life didn't really spin out of control until after the burn incident, which took a lot of painful recovery and many say is what got him hooked on pain killers and the overwhelming need to feel medicated. However at that point he was already a global mega-star, one of the biggest the world has ever seen, and he had been engaged in that celebrity lifestyle from the time he was 8 years old. There was only so much the people around him could really do to control him once he had all that money, and he spent a long time trying to re-live a childhood he thought he missed out on. I'm sure his closest family members and friends told him he was out of control with the lavish spending and behind-closed-doors use of drugs, but at the same time he had way to many "yes men" around him. It's sad that he was so conflicted in life, but I guess that's the price he had to pay for being the figure he was in this world.

I am happy to see Mike getting his life together. Not sure if you've seen any recent pictures of Tyson, but he's back in shape and he looks damn good considering how fat he got only a few years ago. He is actually back down to his fighting weight from the early 90's. Rumor has it he even turned down $50 million last year to come back to boxing and face Holyfield for a 3rd time, he said his heart just isn't in fighting anymore.

OJ is just a murderer who is finally getting what he deserves!! Jackson and Tyson just needed love.. Jackson's family and close friends used him a lot.. Tyson well after that blood/life sucking byatch Givens got done with him he was left more screwed up than he began...:sad: He just needed a hug and a good friend...

J.B.
12-10-2010, 03:36 AM
If Sly gives this speech during the induction ceremony I might break down and cry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uASVzkrEKgs

J.B.
12-10-2010, 04:00 AM
OJ is just a murderer who is finally getting what he deserves!! Jackson and Tyson just needed love.. Jackson's family and close friends used him a lot.. Tyson well after that blood/life sucking byatch Givens got done with him he was left more screwed up than he began...:sad: He just needed a hug and a good friend...

There are some huge similarities between Jackson and Tyson, but if you look at it, they both ended up on opposite ends of the spectrum just as they started.

Jackson came from a poor family in Gary Indiana, but by the time MJ was 10 years old, poverty wasn't an issue anymore. Joe Jackson had effectively channeled the talent he saw in his children into widespread recognition (little did he know just what his son Michael would turn out to be when he originally told lil' Michael that he was too young to be in the band). MJ's family life was strict, and far from perfect, but nobody can deny that both his parents loved and cared for him dearly and he had a large family to lean on.

Tyson didn't have those things. His dad abandoned them when he was a baby and his mom died when he was 16. He had to grow up in the streets, and got wrapped up with the wrong crowd from a very early age. Tyson was pulling off robberies of drugs dealers at gunpoint by the time he was 12 years old (and I thought I had done some crazy s**t). That kinda stuff tends to harden a man, real quick. Which is why it's no surprise that he is still the youngest Heavyweight Champion in history, and his flame burned out at a younger age than most boxers. Most boxers haven't lived the life Mike Tyson has. However, the life ruined him mentally more than it ever did physically, and he could still be knocking peoples heads off if you put him the right state of mind (or wrong state of mind, depending on your world view) .

How crazy is it though, we saw both Jackson and Tyson come from completely opposite childhood situations but rise to almost the same level of popularity in their respective fields? However, in the end it was Jackson who was ultimately done in by his own demons and never seemed to really bounce back from the low points. While now, Tyson really has seemed to have cleaned up his life and gotten things in order. Granted, Tyson still has time to screw up, and his new found life is only a few years old, but I like to hope we will see the best out of him from here on out.

J.B.
12-10-2010, 07:34 AM
Yeah....Boxing NEEDED Rocky....yet Hollywood still makes movies about "Mickey Ward"? :blink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDaCgSEBEiY

And supposedly that movie doesn't even spotlight the Ward/Gatti fights...

Chris F
12-10-2010, 07:56 AM
Yeah....Boxing NEEDED Rocky....yet Hollywood still makes movies about "Mickey Ward"? :blink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDaCgSEBEiY

And supposedly that movie doesn't even spotlight the Ward/Gatti fights...

the movies focus is the relationship between Micky and his manager/relative. His boxing is sorta second nature to that dynamic sadly. Micky himself was upset those fights were not included

J.B.
12-10-2010, 08:08 AM
the movies focus is the relationship between Micky and his manager/relative. His boxing is sorta second nature to that dynamic sadly. Micky himself was upset those fights were not included

Nah, I know...I'm just being a crybaby cuz some peeps around here just don't respect Boxing...

It's stupid of me to care...but I do...lol :laugh:

rearnakedchoke
12-10-2010, 03:01 PM
Yeah....Boxing NEEDED Rocky....yet Hollywood still makes movies about "Mickey Ward"? :blink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDaCgSEBEiY

And supposedly that movie doesn't even spotlight the Ward/Gatti fights...

i doubt most people will even realize mickey was a real fighter ... like braddock in cinderella man ... my brother actually had a chance to be an extra in that and was chosen to spar with crowe in ausi and turned it down .. what a tool ...

J.B.
12-10-2010, 03:14 PM
i doubt most people will even realize mickey was a real fighter ... like braddock in cinderella man ... my brother actually had a chance to be an extra in that and was chosen to spar with crowe in ausi and turned it down .. what a tool ...

You are right...

Like I said, it just irks me a bit that Boxing has so many haters. I didn't mean to say that as slight to Mickey, I'm actually excited to see that movie.