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Chuck
12-04-2010, 05:22 AM
I was reading some of the comments in the thread about Matt's blog and it got me to thinking about our devotion to a specific athlete or team. The thread is full of comments like "no matter what you do I'll always be a fan" Now I know that those comments are all referring to his decision to retire or not (right?) and I agree with them completely. But it did get me to begin thinking about how far we are willing as fans to maintain our loyalty.

I've been a Steelers fan since I was 5 years old and I would and have often described myself as a "Steeler fan for life". But am I really? I wonder if there is something the team or the Rooney family could do that would make me stop supporting them.

It's a little bit different with an individual though. I was always an A-Rod fan until he sold out the M's and went to the Rangers. His act of turning his back on a team and fan base that was always loyal to him was enough to lose me as a fan. Griffey going to the Reds however was different. I was a Junior fan when he was with the M's and still was when he was a Red. So it really isn't the act of leaving a team that bothered me, it was the motive.

Most athletes or teams fan base fluctuates with how well they are doing. Winners have more fans than losers so obviously some people only support someone if they are losing. Still other fans will support an athlete or team no matter what.

So what would it take for you? Is there something your team or favorite athlete could do that would cause you to stop supporting them? If so, what is it?

Or... do you think you would support your favorite team or athlete no matter what? If so, Is that healthy?

What are your thoughts?

Llamafighter
12-04-2010, 05:26 AM
With teams I support the institution of the team and not so much the individual players or coaches. they come and go. I may remember a specific year when say The Bears or The Bulls were really good. But even when the team isn't doing well I celebrate the institution that is The Chicago Bears. Coaches and Players can be cut or fired.
Fighters are different. once I become a fan that's it.

flo
12-04-2010, 06:10 AM
Chuck, I feel the same way about A-rod. I think 98% of the fans here agree. But we always loved Griffey. Did you get to see the Reds vs Mariners when we gave Junior an award before the game? He was on the field with his wife and kids and he looked stunned at the overwhelming standing ovation he received. Ditto Randy Johnson. I remember his first game back home as a Diamondback and the fans kept score of his Ks against US! :laugh: I was rooting for him too, I still love him!

As long as an athlete stays relatively on the straight-and-narrow, I'm a fan. Of course, we all mess up and that's just human nature. But if they go and send candid shots of their Johnson to women other than their wives? Nah.

The bad behavior of so many NBA players really started turning me off the sport all together. I used to love it! But it got so bad that I didn't even really care when the Sonics left.

I consider myself a lifelong fan of George Foreman, Ali, Gary Payton, Matt Hughes (naturally :-), the entire Mariner team from '95 through '03, Steve Largent, etc., etc. But the only sport I consistently watch and really enjoy anymore is MMA.

J.B.
12-04-2010, 06:25 AM
Randy Jonshon had his best years as a D-Back IMO....I thought it was awesome to see that team come together and win a World-Series.....Obviously not as great as the White Sox in 05, but still awesome.

It's easy to connect with fighters, because it's either like a guy or don't. History doesn't play much of a part in it anymore.

It's sad that the NBA gets such a bad rap. It's such a low percentage of the league that acts like crap, but sometimes you'd think every player was Ron Artest in 2004. :sad:

flo
12-04-2010, 06:38 AM
It's sad that the NBA gets such a bad rap. It's such a low percentage of the league that acts like crap, but sometimes you'd think every player was Ron Artest in 2004. :sad:

Exactly! As Rush said, "the brawl in New Fallujah". :laugh: For me, it started with Sprewell and went downhill from there, JB. I still like lots of the players though (esp. LeBron :wub:).

J.B.
12-04-2010, 06:43 AM
Exactly! As Rush said, "the brawl in New Fallujah". :laugh: For me, it started with Sprewell and went downhill from there, JB. I still like lots of the players though (esp. LeBron :wub:).

I actually like Lebron MORE now...lol


and those fans in Detroit deserved it...I've always been more upset that Ron didn't actually lay the beat down on those turds...just my opinion though...:laugh:

Chris F
12-04-2010, 07:58 AM
Sprewell was a putz. I am a Knick fan even when they stink like now and I was sick when they got SPrewell for John Starks. What kind of Idiot trades Starks for a Putz like Sprewell. Well JOhn is now working in the Knick front office and who knows where SPrewell is now.

But these days most people ride bandwagons. I tend to follow players more than teams. LIke in Football I was a huge Trent Dilfer mark because he played for Fresno State and I got to hang out and play hoops with him and Lorenzo Neal and some other Bulldogs. So in the NFL I liked them because I had the honor of hanging out with them at the FSU campus. But I know what you are syaing Chuck.

adamt
12-04-2010, 01:27 PM
Chuck- I agree with what you say and I am very careful not to idolize anyone, and many many people whether they want to admit or not idolize sports

matt's the only sports figure that i keep up with and that is mostly cause he has this forum and he's a farmer and he's a christian.... and i enjoy mma

There is no question that entertainment, including sports, gives us most of our idols in the world nowadays

not too long ago it was considered a sin to merely amuse one's self, believing that a good servant of God would use all their time wisely for better purposes than amusement

now people don't even realize how they idolize people and things

If you were to ask most of the teeny boppers listening to justin bieber if they idolize him they would say no, but their actions clearly say something else

adamt
12-04-2010, 01:29 PM
the other side of your question:

i think alot of people were brett favre fans last year this time......

cubsfan47
12-04-2010, 01:45 PM
the other side of your question:

i think alot of people were brett favre fans last year this time......

I used to be a Brett Favre fan; for me, that began his first year with the Packers. In fact at one point I had his jersey for all the teams he has been on.

It was his ability that I respected, and his personality that I liked. Then something changed. I guess he proved himself to not be such an exceptional person after all. He is just as capable of weakness as the rest of us. Fine. He is only human after all. But i won't be spending any more on being a fan.

Then there is the little matter of my screen name. Well I guess I will have to change that. I won't go into the reasons why here. There is more to it than what has happened with that baseball team. Just lots of personal re-evaluation of what is important to me.

The fighters I admire don't try to pretend that they are anything other than who they are; so I can respect them, and support them regardless of what their human weaknesses may be. This is really how i feel about Matt.

God bless you Matt for being who you are.:cool:

County Mike
12-04-2010, 02:36 PM
I'm not really a die-hard fan of any team or person. I root for certain fighters/teams but I don't feel any strong loyalty to any of them. If they do something I'm completely against, I would stop being a fan with no hesitation.

The only person I will support for life, no matter what, is my daughter.

J.B.
12-04-2010, 03:08 PM
I am a Knick fan even when they stink like now

Hey bro, Amare is no joke. I'm actually rooting for the Knicks now.

When the big 3 in Miami are barely a 500 team the first 20 games in, it's hard to hate on teams like the Knicks. :laugh:

Chris F
12-04-2010, 07:07 PM
Hey bro, Amare is no joke. I'm actually rooting for the Knicks now.

When the big 3 in Miami are barely a 500 team the first 20 games in, it's hard to hate on teams like the Knicks. :laugh:

Yeah that just proves you can't always buy the rings. It is still early they need how to play together in that system. That is why the Thuder is so good, they play as a team in their system even thou they have only one "primetime" player. Knicks will rebound for sure, it will just take a few years to recover from the Marbury era.

Chuck
12-04-2010, 07:51 PM
Fighters are different. once I become a fan that's it.

Well that can't be completely true right? If a fighter you were a fan of committed a crime, cheated, etc would you still be a fan? I guess that's what I'm getting at. We all have different lines we've drawn that determines our support of a team or person. I was just curious what all of yours were.

As long as an athlete stays relatively on the straight-and-narrow, I'm a fan. Of course, we all mess up and that's just human nature. But if they go and send candid shots of their Johnson to women other than their wives? Nah.
I agree with this. For me it's about morals and integrity. As long as theirs line up with mine, I'm cool.

I consider myself a lifelong fan of George Foreman, Ali, Gary Payton, Matt Hughes (naturally :-), the entire Mariner team from '95 through '03, Steve Largent, etc., etc. But the only sport I consistently watch and really enjoy anymore is MMA.
I have no choice but to whole heatedly agree with EVERY thing you just said. Meeting George Foreman was one of the coolest things I've ever experienced. I've been a lifelong fan of his as well as Largent. I actually wrote Largent a few times as a kid and he wrote me back! I was thrilled.

Chuck- I agree with what you say and I am very careful not to idolize anyone, and many many people whether they want to admit or not idolize sports
Excellent points.

If they do something I'm completely against, I would stop being a fan with no hesitation.
Exactly!

rockdawg21
12-05-2010, 02:12 AM
Team? That would be tough not to support your team. The Chiefs were incredible in the 90s and have been VERY disappointing in the past few years, but as a fan, I also understand the process of rebuilding and they have been one of the biggest surprises in the NFL this year. May have a big shot at the SuperBowl in the next 3-5 years IMO.

As for players, I can forgive and forget depending on the circumstances. I forgive Vick for dog fighting. However, had he committed murder or intent to murder (self-defense murder, I have NO PROBLEM with that), rape, child molesting, or child pornography, f' him and throw him to the wolves.

Players are a lot easier to single out than teams. 1 person doesn't cause dislike for an entire organization or whom they represent *cough* Bob Arum *cough* Philip Rivers *cough*.

kevint13
12-05-2010, 02:57 AM
I'm not sure that I want to mention mine, but oh well it is my opinion. I used to idolize Michael Jordan growing up. Had the jersey, t-shirts, shoes, posters...the works. Used to wear the wristband on the forearm. I will still say he is the greatest basketball player ever....but a good person, don't think so. He cheated on his wife many times and no one batted an eye...guess that is the Jordan Rules, right? :laugh: Also, I thought his HOF speech was very disrespectful to a lot of people....to bring the guy who beat you out in high school...REALLY?

Tyburn
12-05-2010, 09:08 PM
The third word in my motto should tell you how far I would go

"Amor Et Fides"

:wink:

Chuck
12-05-2010, 09:41 PM
The third word in my motto should tell you how far I would go

"Amor Et Fides"

:wink:

Nope.

Tyburn
12-05-2010, 10:56 PM
Nope.

:laugh: I was hoping you would say that...it give me a chance to explain :wink:

Okay Fides is a Latin word, which means Loyalty...its a Derivative of Fidelis which means Faithful. If someone has that in their motto it stands to reason that they pride Loyalty, or being faithful to, very highly.

Loyalty is important to me.

Now Devotion is an interesting word because it comes from the Latin Inservio, meaning to serve. Originally, Devotion is measured bascially by a subjects loyalty to his master, this in ancient times meant a slave or servant to his owner, or a Citizen to their King. People have sinced used it to represent a Humans response to GOD.

So when you ask me how devoted I am to a sporting personality, how much I am willing to support them...I tell you, that is dependant on my level of Loyalty to them...The Higher the amount of Loyalty I feel towards them, the further I will go to support them, the more I shall be devoted to them however poorly they represent themselves.

Because for me, to do anything other is the opposite of Loyalty...and that is Treason and Betrayal. Now I have no quarms in speaking my opinion, even against some one I am loyal to...I may object to them, I may complain to them...but I will do as they instruct regardless.

If you dont believe me...ask Nathan Rosario, or other members of the Moderating team if when I dissagree with them, I am afraid of telling them, bluntly. But I respect their office, even if sometimes I dont aggree with the person in that office.

To me this principle of Loyalty governs everything...from people in positions of authority over me, to my family, to my friends. You will know who my friends are, by who I stick up for, you can safely judge how great our terms are, by how much I am willing to put myself out for them, or defend them.

Which is why the first word of my Motto is love.

So my Motto really defines what I feel my Officium is towards other people

philips4
12-06-2010, 06:32 AM
I'm not really a die-hard fan of any team or person. I root for certain fighters/teams but I don't feel any strong loyalty to any of them. If they do something I'm completely against, I would stop being a fan with no hesitation.

The only person I will support for life, no matter what, is my daughter.

I like the way you think Country Mike!:happy0159:

County Mike
12-06-2010, 12:42 PM
I like the way you think Country Mike!:happy0159:

Sweet! Phillips talked to me. :)
Even if she did get my name wrong. :sad:

Twinsmama
12-06-2010, 01:49 PM
I'm not really a die-hard fan of any team or person. I root for certain fighters/teams but I don't feel any strong loyalty to any of them. If they do something I'm completely against, I would stop being a fan with no hesitation.

The only person I will support for life, no matter what, is my daughter.

wow mike you wearing panties today?:laugh:
(just kiddin anyone w/ kids think the same way)

I am a Matt Hughes fan win or lose....forever. Winning or losing will not change how I feel about him. If he beat up an old lady or something I would not be a fan anymore. if my daughter or son beat up an old lady i wouldn't be their fan anymore either. i'm a fan of people who do right.

Tyburn
12-06-2010, 02:14 PM
:laugh::laugh:Sweet! Phillips talked to me. :)
Even if she did get my name wrong. :sad:

rockdawg21
12-06-2010, 02:14 PM
wow mike you wearing panties today?:laugh:
(just kiddin anyone w/ kids think the same way)

I am a Matt Hughes fan win or lose....forever. Winning or losing will not change how I feel about him. If he beat up an old lady or something I would not be a fan anymore. if my daughter or son beat up an old lady i wouldn't be their fan anymore either. i'm a fan of people who do right.
:laugh: Now that's discipline!

philips4
12-06-2010, 04:30 PM
Sweet! Phillips talked to me. :)
Even if she did get my name wrong. :sad:

:ashamed::ashamed: Oops, I'm so sorry! In my defense it was past midnight and everyone knows your brain shuts down at 11:30, right? :laugh:

Miss Foxy
12-06-2010, 05:19 PM
I am a ride or die fan. I think personally I would back away from my favorite athlete if I felt he/she was not appreciative of the people that follow them (fans).. or if they caused harm to a child... Winning or losing has no bearing.

County Mike
12-06-2010, 06:11 PM
Just saw Foxy's signature pic. LOL

Twinsmama
12-06-2010, 06:40 PM
:laugh: Now that's discipline!

I know I'm a tough mom!:laugh: I might should have added a :laugh: in case someone didn't get my sarcasm.

Miss Foxy
12-06-2010, 06:52 PM
Just saw Foxy's signature pic. LOL

My kind of man.. Appreciates a good warm meal!! :laugh:

Chuck
12-06-2010, 07:39 PM
:laugh: I was hoping you would say that...it give me a chance to explain :wink:

Okay Fides is a Latin word, which means Loyalty...its a Derivative of Fidelis which means Faithful. If someone has that in their motto it stands to reason that they pride Loyalty, or being faithful to, very highly.

Loyalty is important to me.

Now Devotion is an interesting word because it comes from the Latin Inservio, meaning to serve. Originally, Devotion is measured bascially by a subjects loyalty to his master, this in ancient times meant a slave or servant to his owner, or a Citizen to their King. People have sinced used it to represent a Humans response to GOD.

So when you ask me how devoted I am to a sporting personality, how much I am willing to support them...I tell you, that is dependant on my level of Loyalty to them...The Higher the amount of Loyalty I feel towards them, the further I will go to support them, the more I shall be devoted to them however poorly they represent themselves.

Because for me, to do anything other is the opposite of Loyalty...and that is Treason and Betrayal. Now I have no quarms in speaking my opinion, even against some one I am loyal to...I may object to them, I may complain to them...but I will do as they instruct regardless.

If you dont believe me...ask Nathan Rosario, or other members of the Moderating team if when I dissagree with them, I am afraid of telling them, bluntly. But I respect their office, even if sometimes I dont aggree with the person in that office.

To me this principle of Loyalty governs everything...from people in positions of authority over me, to my family, to my friends. You will know who my friends are, by who I stick up for, you can safely judge how great our terms are, by how much I am willing to put myself out for them, or defend them.

Which is why the first word of my Motto is love.

So my Motto really defines what I feel my Officium is towards other people

Dave I love ya but I don't see how somebody could type so much yet say so little. :laugh:

You type and type and type and type... tangent after tangent after tangent but never really say anything... or at least rarely say anything about the original topic or question. I enjoy your Dave-Ku though... it's always entertaining and normally educational. :)

I don't have any idea what "fides" means but I do know what you said doesn't really match up with with these two websites say it does.

http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/fides.html
IDES meant 'reliablilty', a sense of trust between two parties if a relationship between them was to exist. FIDES was always reciprocal and mutual, and implied both privileges and responsibilities on both sides. In both public and private life the violation of FIDES was considered a serious matter, with both legal and religious consequences. FIDES, in fact, was one of the first of the 'virtues' to be considered an actual divinity at Rome.
Like I said I don't know what it means but maybe you're talking about a different type of "fides" then they are. But unless the feelings you have towards your favorite fighters and friends is reciprocal and mutual... well.... I'm not sure it's Fides you're talking about.

http://www.freedict.com/onldict/onldict.php


So the original question... Where do you draw the line? When do you stop supporting them or being a fan? :huh: