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Neezar
10-29-2010, 03:29 AM
The Haunted History of Halloween


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By Claudine Zap


Sunday is Halloween, and the frightfest has trick-or-treaters checking the Web for the history of the haunted holiday.

Lookups on "what is the history of Halloween (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=what+is+the+history+of+Halloween&cs=bz&fr=buzz)" rose 220% on Yahoo!. Spooky searches for "the haunted history of Halloween (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=the+haunted+history+of+Halloween&cs=bz&fr=buzz)" and "the true history of Halloween (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=the+true+history+of+Halloween&cs=bz&fr=buzz)" were also scary-high.

Turns out, the modern-day tradition of outfitting yourself in a costume and going door to door for candy has some really ancient roots.

Originally, the festival came from the Celtic holiday Samhain (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Samhain&cs=bz&fr=buzz), which means summer's end, and celebrated the end of fall and the beginning of winter. This day also marked the Celts' version of the new year and the time, they believed, when the dead came back to roam the earth (http://www.history.com/topics/halloween). (Insert spooky music here.)

Ancestors were honored, but evil spirits were warded off by lighting bonfires and wearing costumes to hide from them. Turnips carved with faces got placed in windows to scare off the unwelcome undead. People would go "a-souling," and in exchange for food and drink (http://www.jpost.com/ArtsAndCulture/FoodAndWine/Article.aspx?ID=192833&R=R1), pray for a household's dead relatives. In Scotland, spirits were impersonated by men wearing all white with veiled faces. Sound familiar?

[Photos: First photographs of 'ghosts' (http://yhoo.it/9gZQd7%20)]
[Be honest: How old is too old for trick or treating? (http://yhoo.it/cyCNZ5)]

The holiday is actually a mash of Catholic and Celtic beliefs. Oh, and Roman. Their version of the Celtic holiday was called Feralia (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Feralia&cs=bz&fr=buzz), which honored their dead. The Catholics who were beginning to influence the area by the 800s contributed All Saints' Day (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AjGA4q0M2xBPMbdwwwezlsOuh6U5?p=All+Sai nts%27+Day&cs=bz&fr=buzz), also known as All Hallows (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=All+Hallows&cs=bz&fr=buzz) or Hallowmas (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Hallowmas&cs=bz&fr=buzz). The name "Halloween" comes from the Scottish "All-Hallows-Even," meaning "the night before All Hallows Day."

By the mid-19th century, Irish immigrants brought Halloween to America. By the 1950s, candy makers (http://www.theatlantic.com/food/archive/2010/10/how-candy-and-halloween-became-best-friends/64895/) began promoting their sweet stuff as the currency to give out to trick-or-treaters, and this year it's estimated to be a $2 billion candy bonanza (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/how-much-is-too-much-candy-104781529.html). The religious ideas have been dropped, and the day as we know it dressing up, carving pumpkins, and getting a good scare ... and goodies became the holiday it is now.

Tyburn
10-29-2010, 12:00 PM
The Haunted History of Halloween


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By Claudine Zap


Sunday is Halloween, and the frightfest has trick-or-treaters checking the Web for the history of the haunted holiday.

Lookups on "what is the history of Halloween (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=what+is+the+history+of+Halloween&cs=bz&fr=buzz)" rose 220% on Yahoo!. Spooky searches for "the haunted history of Halloween (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=the+haunted+history+of+Halloween&cs=bz&fr=buzz)" and "the true history of Halloween (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=the+true+history+of+Halloween&cs=bz&fr=buzz)" were also scary-high.

Turns out, the modern-day tradition of outfitting yourself in a costume and going door to door for candy has some really ancient roots.

Originally, the festival came from the Celtic holiday Samhain (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Samhain&cs=bz&fr=buzz), which means summer's end, and celebrated the end of fall and the beginning of winter. This day also marked the Celts' version of the new year and the time, they believed, when the dead came back to roam the earth (http://www.history.com/topics/halloween). (Insert spooky music here.)

Ancestors were honored, but evil spirits were warded off by lighting bonfires and wearing costumes to hide from them. Turnips carved with faces got placed in windows to scare off the unwelcome undead. People would go "a-souling," and in exchange for food and drink (http://www.jpost.com/ArtsAndCulture/FoodAndWine/Article.aspx?ID=192833&R=R1), pray for a household's dead relatives. In Scotland, spirits were impersonated by men wearing all white with veiled faces. Sound familiar?

[Photos: First photographs of 'ghosts' (http://yhoo.it/9gZQd7%20)]
[Be honest: How old is too old for trick or treating? (http://yhoo.it/cyCNZ5)]

The holiday is actually a mash of Catholic and Celtic beliefs. Oh, and Roman. Their version of the Celtic holiday was called Feralia (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Feralia&cs=bz&fr=buzz), which honored their dead. The Catholics who were beginning to influence the area by the 800s contributed All Saints' Day (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AjGA4q0M2xBPMbdwwwezlsOuh6U5?p=All+Sai nts%27+Day&cs=bz&fr=buzz), also known as All Hallows (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=All+Hallows&cs=bz&fr=buzz) or Hallowmas (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Hallowmas&cs=bz&fr=buzz). The name "Halloween" comes from the Scottish "All-Hallows-Even," meaning "the night before All Hallows Day."

By the mid-19th century, Irish immigrants brought Halloween to America. By the 1950s, candy makers (http://www.theatlantic.com/food/archive/2010/10/how-candy-and-halloween-became-best-friends/64895/) began promoting their sweet stuff as the currency to give out to trick-or-treaters, and this year it's estimated to be a $2 billion candy bonanza (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/how-much-is-too-much-candy-104781529.html). The religious ideas have been dropped, and the day as we know it dressing up, carving pumpkins, and getting a good scare ... and goodies became the holiday it is now.

:rolleyes: Celtic? No. Pagen? Yes.

Summers end? No. Sam Hain? Yes.

The Festival is not Christian nor does it have ANY christian roots...its simply celebrated at the same time as a Christian Festival which existed independantly of Sam Hain for generations before the Catholics and the Pagens in northern Europe ever met.

All Saints Day is a day to commemorate the Saints, its followed by All Souls day less then a week later to commemorate all the faithful departed. Both of these are festivals of light, whose ONLY celebration comes in a Eucharist on the same day, and some extra antiphones for the evening Office....that is how ALL Christian Feasts are celebrated.

The dressing up, has more to do with WHO Sam Hain is. one of the blood gods of Paganism that needed to be appeased at the harvest time.

Halloween (as in the name) is a complete fabrication, that doesnt represent either of the festivals that people are trying to combine.

So if you wish to indulge in historic devil worship, then feel free to celebrate Sam Hain...if you would rather remember the Saints, then go to church the day after...but Halloween is an umbrella term for two very different, and entirely separate festivals, that are moral opposites. You can trivialisze it all you want by saying its fun...but I believe there is true power in what we do, say, and give our time to...and I shall not be a part of anything that springs from evil, however innocent it may have become now.

Most Christians havent a clue why they dress up in evil costumes...its shocking that they would do so...without asking themselves...what the point of the whole exercise is...and when they discover its to honour and appease a demon...they ought not to do it.

bradwright
10-30-2010, 02:02 AM
:rolleyes: Celtic? No. Pagen? Yes.

Summers end? No. Sam Hain? Yes.

The Festival is not Christian nor does it have ANY christian roots...its simply celebrated at the same time as a Christian Festival which existed independantly of Sam Hain for generations before the Catholics and the Pagens in northern Europe ever met.

All Saints Day is a day to commemorate the Saints, its followed by All Souls day less then a week later to commemorate all the faithful departed. Both of these are festivals of light, whose ONLY celebration comes in a Eucharist on the same day, and some extra antiphones for the evening Office....that is how ALL Christian Feasts are celebrated.

The dressing up, has more to do with WHO Sam Hain is. one of the blood gods of Paganism that needed to be appeased at the harvest time.

Halloween (as in the name) is a complete fabrication, that doesnt represent either of the festivals that people are trying to combine.

So if you wish to indulge in historic devil worship, then feel free to celebrate Sam Hain...if you would rather remember the Saints, then go to church the day after...but Halloween is an umbrella term for two very different, and entirely separate festivals, that are moral opposites. You can trivialisze it all you want by saying its fun...but I believe there is true power in what we do, say, and give our time to...and I shall not be a part of anything that springs from evil, however innocent it may have become now.

Most Christians havent a clue why they dress up in evil costumes...its shocking that they would do so...without asking themselves...what the point of the whole exercise is...and when they discover its to honour and appease a demon...they ought not to do it.

Dave sometimes you take things way to seriously.

its just a chance for children to dress up go out trick or treating and have some fun,and trust me when i say they couldn't care less what the origins of Halloween are.....they are really only just in it for the candy.:wink:

Neezar
10-30-2010, 03:19 AM
:rolleyes: Celtic? No. Pagen? Yes.

Summers end? No. Sam Hain? Yes.

The Festival is not Christian nor does it have ANY christian roots...its simply celebrated at the same time as a Christian Festival which existed independantly of Sam Hain for generations before the Catholics and the Pagens in northern Europe ever met.

All Saints Day is a day to commemorate the Saints, its followed by All Souls day less then a week later to commemorate all the faithful departed. Both of these are festivals of light, whose ONLY celebration comes in a Eucharist on the same day, and some extra antiphones for the evening Office....that is how ALL Christian Feasts are celebrated.

The dressing up, has more to do with WHO Sam Hain is. one of the blood gods of Paganism that needed to be appeased at the harvest time.

Halloween (as in the name) is a complete fabrication, that doesnt represent either of the festivals that people are trying to combine.

So if you wish to indulge in historic devil worship, then feel free to celebrate Sam Hain...if you would rather remember the Saints, then go to church the day after...but Halloween is an umbrella term for two very different, and entirely separate festivals, that are moral opposites. You can trivialisze it all you want by saying its fun...but I believe there is true power in what we do, say, and give our time to...and I shall not be a part of anything that springs from evil, however innocent it may have become now.

Most Christians havent a clue why they dress up in evil costumes...its shocking that they would do so...without asking themselves...what the point of the whole exercise is...and when they discover its to honour and appease a demon...they ought not to do it.

Dave, I am sure that you do something in your life that has at one time or another been done in the name of honoring Satan. If you don't put today's personal meaning into play then you are really drawing from your own psyche and creating an imaginary situation.

cubsfan47
10-30-2010, 01:21 PM
Dave sometimes you take things way to seriously.

its just a chance for children to dress up go out trick or treating and have some fun,and trust me when i say they couldn't care less what the origins of Halloween are.....they are really only just in it for the candy.:wink:

Candy indeed! I just spent $$$ on the stuff to keep the little beggars happy.:laugh:

Tyburn
10-30-2010, 02:24 PM
Dave, I am sure that you do something in your life that has at one time or another been done in the name of honoring Satan. If you don't put today's personal meaning into play then you are really drawing from your own psyche and creating an imaginary situation.

:unsure-1: well if you can do that with a good conscience then fair enough. but I cant :sad:

NateR
10-31-2010, 10:30 PM
When it comes to holidays inspired by pagan practices and Satan-worship, Halloween pales in comparison to Christmas.

Tyburn
10-31-2010, 11:03 PM
When it comes to holidays inspired by pagan practices and Satan-worship, Halloween pales in comparison to Christmas.

No it doesnt.

Christmas was deliberately placed at the same time as Yule-Tide, or the Winter Solstice.

All Saints day was NEVER a cover for Sam Hain.

...and what happened?? Noone celebrates Yule-tide or the winter Solstice, they only celebrate Christmas...now they may not celebrate it with a Eucharist...they may just go out and buy gifts...but at least they dont call it by its Christian name...but celebrate it in the pagen fashion...which is EXACTLY what they do with "halloween"

They call it by its Christian name "All Halo" or "The Eve of All Halo" or "Halo Ene" (the ene is to evening, what morow is to the morning, a Gaelic shortening of the English)

...and then the dress up...How incidently do you think the pagens actually celebrated Sam Hain?? They litterally dressed up in Gholish Costume. That IS the ritual worship...so tell me, how that has changed?

See Christmas and Easter were deliberate, and successful...Granted, the heathern celebrate it...but at least they have forgotten about, and do not celebrate Yule, Solstice, or Equinox in THE SAME WAY as the pagens

ohh...except for Halloween.

its nothing short of devil worship...its not changed in thousands of years...the ritual itself of dressing up as ghosts, or ghouls, or witches, and prancing about frightening people, trick or treating...whats the difference??

at least the Pagens are honnest with what they are doing. Unlike the vast majority of heathen, and disreputable christians, who dont even know why they are doing it...or think its just a bit of fun, to copy what the pagens think is worship, on the same day.

So Nice Try Mr Rosario. But you need to study your Church History a bit more to see why Christmas and Easter, are NOT Pagen festivals and are placed next to them to detract from them, and have both been 100percent successful...and how Halloween is the accidental clash of two religious festivals...and how Halloween has done to Christianity, what Christianity did to Pagenism over Yule-tide and Spring Equinox.

suprise, suprise...Sam Hain is successful, and all saints day dissapears into the ether...but if your okay with that, then please, dont let good conscience stand in your way for heavens sake...I'd hate to spoil all your fun...I just fail to see how devil worship and pagen practise, can be justified...even as a little bit of fun.

I find it horrific personally.

Tyburn
10-31-2010, 11:07 PM
Dave, I am sure that you do something in your life that has at one time or another been done in the name of honoring Satan. If you don't put today's personal meaning into play then you are really drawing from your own psyche and creating an imaginary situation.

Sure Denise...if you celebrate it by doing something other then dressing up, and having a party...then you would be right....but you do EXACTLY what the pagens do...or do you celebrate it without costume and party?

if so...then...I'll let ya off :laugh:

J.B.
10-31-2010, 11:28 PM
Every year....:rolleyes:

Tyburn
10-31-2010, 11:39 PM
Every year....:rolleyes:

:laugh:

flo
11-01-2010, 12:01 AM
That's pretty cool, Neezar! I loved the "ghostly" pictures.

I think 13 is when one should stop trick-or-treating. Of course, we wanted to go longer but mom made us stop :-)

flo
11-01-2010, 12:03 AM
Dave sometimes you take things way to seriously.

its just a chance for children to dress up go out trick or treating and have some fun,and trust me when i say they couldn't care less what the origins of Halloween are.....they are really only just in it for the candy.:wink:

Yup, totally agree.

Neezar
11-01-2010, 12:34 AM
Sure Denise...if you celebrate it by doing something other then dressing up, and having a party...then you would be right....but you do EXACTLY what the pagens do...or do you celebrate it without costume and party?

if so...then...I'll let ya off :laugh:

I dress up and have a party but I don't celebrate or worship anything.

Did you know that some people get tattoos in order to create a door (they believe) for demons to enter their souls?

Intention and personal meaning is EVERYTHING here.

Spiritwalker
11-01-2010, 01:22 AM
When it comes to holidays inspired by pagan practices and Satan-worship, Halloween pales in comparison to Christmas.

HELLO!!!!!!!

I was thinking JUST the same thing as I scrolled through this...

Silverback
11-01-2010, 03:06 AM
Dave sometimes you take things way to seriously.

its just a chance for children to dress up go out trick or treating and have some fun,and trust me when i say they couldn't care less what the origins of Halloween are.....they are really only just in it for the candy.:wink:

Yes I agree but us grown ups have some fun too, last night we went to a party, Matt was a gorilla, Audra was Carol Brady, and I was a evil Jester, and how manys times can you walk up to the bar and order a water with lemon and tell the bartender, and give the Gorilla whatever it wants. Good times.:tongue0011::tongue0011::happydancing:

Rochambeau
11-06-2010, 04:05 PM
Kids feel special in their costumes. What they do and what witches might be doing aren't exactly connected to each other.

Tyburn
11-06-2010, 04:48 PM
Kids feel special in their costumes. What they do and what witches might be doing aren't exactly connected to each other.

The pagens dress up on Sam Hain also. Thats one of their main forms of appeasement. the FACT they are getting dressed up IS part of the act for pagenism.

A young kid getting dressed up and running around trick or treating, or frightening the elderly, or actually partaking in criminal damage, vandalism, and the likes is not good.

Its impersonation...and in other respects its taken very seriously. Impersonating members of the Military of the Police, by dressing up in their uniforms and running around having fun, pretending to order other people about is a criminal offence in this country. You might be able to get away with it in terms of military because civilians are sold combat clothing...but if...as was in the paper this morning, you pretend to be a policeman, dress up like him, have the gear that he carries, you can get into trouble. This guy went as far as trying to attend a meeting for high ranking officials :blink:

I just dont think you understand what is actually going on. there is no christian reason to dress up as evil on that night and to do pagen practice...even if you dont believe and mean no harm....thats what kids think they are doing when they play with oije boards...just a bit of harmless fun.

Its NOT. We lack in bright sparks...coz very few children even ask WHY they have to dress up and party. there is no good reason beyond a pagen one....because the Christian celebration doesnt involve dressing up, or having a party....

...now it might be harmless for a lot of Christians...but what about all the athiests and the lost who are indulging in this? Who are accidently, and unwittingly being a pagen for the night. I bet the Devil just loves that. He's made this a non issue for half the Christians, let alone the lost. 31st of October is his Night. Our Church used to stage anti-halloween parties known as "the Light Night" Where Christians could gather, have fun, and be safe from the fools out in the street. It provided the youth with something better to do, and the elderly a sanctuary.

Rochambeau
11-06-2010, 04:58 PM
"Samhain" is one word and they're called Ouija boards~!

Dressing up as a military personel or a police officer sounds like a lot of fun and I think that is where the most fun could really be had, though dressing up like a Ninja Turtle would probably beat it.

I must not understand. Little girls get very excited when they get to be a fairy. I don't think Satan's hand is in it.

Tyburn
11-06-2010, 05:04 PM
"Samhain" is one word and they're called Ouija boards~!

Dressing up as a military personel or a police officer sounds like a lot of fun and I think that is where the most fun could really be had, though dressing up like a Ninja Turtle would probably beat it.

I must not understand. Little girls get very excited when they get to be a fairy. I don't think Satan's hand is in it.

They are messing with concepts that they should never have been introduced to. Case in point...WTF is a Fairy...I mean...actually what IS IT that they are dressing up as??

...and what does being excited have to do with it??

Its indoctrination against Christianity at a very early age. Its not all right to mess around with this sort of thing. It really isnt. :sad:

oh...and samhain is the modern name for a gaelic word broken up with apostraphes...so dont try and be a commedian. Noone likes a smart arse...I break it up deliberately to remind people its a NAME

Rochambeau
11-06-2010, 05:15 PM
What you're saying is fair and I do agree with you somewhat. There are people who are normally against the occult that do celebrate it though. Maybe that just says that people have moved too far away from the Church.

Spiritwalker
11-06-2010, 07:46 PM
Ya know...

I am much more worried about all the sexual abuse by the various members of the various forms of the clergy.. than I am about a bunch of kids dressing up as "demons" and faeries, vampires, characters from Alice in Wonderland and the like. My son wanted to go as a USAF pilot. And I thought "very cool", because he admires the military..

Sorry you can't enjoy the end of fall and the beginnings of winter like many other people.

Sorry that you just can't stop looking for "evil" in everything. You say.."
I just dont think you understand what is actually going on.". The same can be said of you.

Halloween (in the states) is nothing like what you want it to be. It's just another excuse for kids to go have some fun.. and sometimes.. do stupid stuff.. (and sometimes learn from it.. like I did when I was 12).. adults to have parties, and to show good will. In my area all the adult gather for a block party... or 2 and 3 families get together and and entertain the kiddies.. (serious scary stuff this year at a few homes).

It must really be bothersome for you to be "the only light in the darkness".

Does it ever get tiring of showing off your pseudo-intellect..or preaching to so many people that "giggle, laugh and sigh"?

Do you do it to just see yourself speak?

I am not trying to be insulting... (well.. at least not much).. but can you explain why you put such value in these things? You seem to be a honestly smart guy.. book wise... but... jeezzzz dude... Halloween is not a bunch of kids harassing the elderly.. and if it is in your area.. maybe it's time to get your cops guns... or at the very least.. stop talking about problems.. and DO something about it.




The pagens dress up on Sam Hain also. Thats one of their main forms of appeasement. the FACT they are getting dressed up IS part of the act for pagenism.

A young kid getting dressed up and running around trick or treating, or frightening the elderly, or actually partaking in criminal damage, vandalism, and the likes is not good.

Its impersonation...and in other respects its taken very seriously. Impersonating members of the Military of the Police, by dressing up in their uniforms and running around having fun, pretending to order other people about is a criminal offence in this country. You might be able to get away with it in terms of military because civilians are sold combat clothing...but if...as was in the paper this morning, you pretend to be a policeman, dress up like him, have the gear that he carries, you can get into trouble. This guy went as far as trying to attend a meeting for high ranking officials :blink:

I just dont think you understand what is actually going on. there is no christian reason to dress up as evil on that night and to do pagen practice...even if you dont believe and mean no harm....thats what kids think they are doing when they play with oije boards...just a bit of harmless fun.

Its NOT. We lack in bright sparks...coz very few children even ask WHY they have to dress up and party. there is no good reason beyond a pagen one....because the Christian celebration doesnt involve dressing up, or having a party....

...now it might be harmless for a lot of Christians...but what about all the athiests and the lost who are indulging in this? Who are accidently, and unwittingly being a pagen for the night. I bet the Devil just loves that. He's made this a non issue for half the Christians, let alone the lost. 31st of October is his Night. Our Church used to stage anti-halloween parties known as "the Light Night" Where Christians could gather, have fun, and be safe from the fools out in the street. It provided the youth with something better to do, and the elderly a sanctuary.

Spiritwalker
11-06-2010, 07:55 PM
I just re-read your post.. (for some reason).

And part of me would really like to meet up with your in the States... and just show you a good time.. go watch a baseball game.. a foot ball game.. hit a few of the areas that I like to frequent.. introduce you to some freaks and such..

Let you meet a person I know that is one of the most tattooed people I have ever met.. and one of the most religious people I have ever met.

Take a few things at face value.. you might learn to enjoy life a little more.

[EDIT]

And the more logical part of me knows that you would never be able to have such fun, or explore life and I would end up dumping you on the side of the road somewhere...

Tyburn
11-06-2010, 10:19 PM
Ya know...

1) I am much more worried about all the sexual abuse by the various members of the various forms of the clergy.. than I am about a bunch of kids dressing up as "demons" and faeries, vampires, characters from Alice in Wonderland and the like. My son wanted to go as a USAF pilot. And I thought "very cool", because he admires the military..

2) Sorry you can't enjoy the end of fall and the beginnings of winter like many other people.

3) Sorry that you just can't stop looking for "evil" in everything. You say.."
I just dont think you understand what is actually going on.". The same can be said of you.

4) Halloween (in the states) is nothing like what you want it to be. It's just another excuse for kids to go have some fun.. and sometimes.. do stupid stuff.. (and sometimes learn from it.. like I did when I was 12).. adults to have parties, and to show good will. In my area all the adult gather for a block party... or 2 and 3 families get together and and entertain the kiddies.. (serious scary stuff this year at a few homes).

5) It must really be bothersome for you to be "the only light in the darkness".

Does it ever get tiring of showing off your pseudo-intellect..or preaching to so many people that "giggle, laugh and sigh"?

Do you do it to just see yourself speak?

6) I am not trying to be insulting... (well.. at least not much).. but can you explain why you put such value in these things? You seem to be a honestly smart guy.. book wise... but... jeezzzz dude... Halloween is not a bunch of kids harassing the elderly.. and if it is in your area.. maybe it's time to get your cops guns... or at the very least.. stop talking about problems.. and DO something about it.

1) Then you dont understand the difference between Human Sin, and actual Evil. Human Sin is something that happened at the Fall, its expressed when people do things for their own gains in some way, by comprimising GODs moral Law.

True Evil is different, its not obvious, because True Evil pretends to be good and harmless to lure you in with deceit and lies. True Evil is when you get betrayed by your friends, its when you have a spy in your midst. We know this because Luciferian Sin (if thats what it can be called) is False Light...it appears to be good. What could be less harmful then dressing up and having a party??

2) Why would I enjoy the Fall anyway?? The fall marks the start of about five months of depleted sunlight, which generally makes me feel sad and depressed. Why would I celebrate the entrance of darkness, coldness, and a barren land?? I recognise its a season thats important for the planet...but I dont generally tend to enjoy anything about Winter...from November to February...I dont find that an easy time...and dressing up for one night to herald its appearence doesnt make a jot of difference to that.

3) Understand, that for me, the Spiritual War is the most important thing in the whole world. I want to be a better and more devout Christian, and I know that I have the capabilities of being an asset to the Kingdom...and I know there is an enemy...an ACTIVE Enemy...do you not get it? We ARE at War. I am at war with things that are not of good conscience...I always have been reserved and cautious, I always will be...I dont want to be sucked into anything Occult. There is power that I dont understand and dont wish to be subject to. I dont want others to end up in trouble either. This is a war for the souls of man...surely there is nothing more important in life? Isnt it Matt Hughes who used to go around with the tag "fight the good fight" What do you suppose exactly that is a refference to Spiritwalker???

...and there is no neutral ground. That is to say if you dont actively choose to stand for GOD you can be used like a pawn of the Devil, without your knowledge.

4) it should not be an excuse...thats my entire point. I have never experienced Halloween in the States...I do hear that its more a fancy dress party, then a dress up and ghouls and go fighten some seniors...and if thats the case...well...I still wouldnt condone it...but it might be better then what we have here....marginally. But I cant in good conscience condone that which I believe is a manifestation of what I perceive to be a real dangerous threat from a sworne enemy.

5) I give my opinion on a forum, thats the point...if you dont like it, ignore it, thats up to you. But on matters of faith, I will speak...regardless of your response. Frankly, my dear, I dont give a damn. Giggle and mock away.

6) Yes you are. Your favourite pass time on hear is to try to mock and shame me. Everyone knows that. It must make you feel very big to try so hard in getting one over on me. Like I, or anyone else who reads this, cares. Face it. They dont. Not really about my opinions, and not really about your responses.

Tyburn
11-06-2010, 10:33 PM
1) I just re-read your post.. (for some reason).

And part of me would really like to meet up with your in the States... and just show you a good time.. go watch a baseball game.. a foot ball game.. hit a few of the areas that I like to frequent.. introduce you to some freaks and such..

Let you meet a person I know that is one of the most tattooed people I have ever met.. and one of the most religious people I have ever met.

Take a few things at face value.. you might learn to enjoy life a little more.

[EDIT]

2) And the more logical part of me knows that you would never be able to have such fun, or explore life and I would end up dumping you on the side of the road somewhere...

1) I dont really do Sports, or watch sports unless its Mixed Martial Arts, or possibly Professional Wrestling. I have nothing against Tattoos, I have plenty myself and will get more when the money is their for it.

I am not stupid enough to take anything at face value. The purpose of my life is not Hedonism, so enjoyment isnt a factor here. Also...learn that you dont make offers to meet me in the States...I ask you if I can incorperate you into my tour. I only meet people that I am confident and know. Its about Trust and safety. I would NEVER agree to meet you, unless as part of some big forum meet up somehow at a safe and public location. I would certainly NEVER get into a car alone with someone like you.

The only way you will ever have an audience with me is via kidnapping at gunpoint. Even then...I might prefer to be shot in all honnesty. :laugh:

2) I've explored life in ways you wouldnt want to know about. Ive done things that were real stupid and real dangerous. You only know what I want you to know on here. Just because I appear open and able to talk about myself, dont assume you know me, or anything about me. I only share myself once I have built up trust and confidence in people...and even after five years of daily posting on this forum...there is less then ten people I would trust. You just see what I wouldnt mind anyone seeing. Yeah im increadibly open just in general...but there are people on this forum who know me about as intimately as possible without meeting in person.

You are not one of them.

You never will be one of them.

Spiritwalker
11-07-2010, 01:53 AM
Dude.. you share yourself with anyone that will listen for half a second.. If you don't see that.. you have more issues than Time magazine.

Trust me.. on your "annual tour" I don't think it would be wise to meet me...you would prolly spout off some non-sense.. and I would laugh at you.. and things would go down hill from there..

I have met several people from here.. and I think that it's safe to say. we "got on fairly well".

I think the main reason that we don't get along is that compared to some of the others... I am still "new blood".. and I don't know how to tolerate you.. and when I call you out... I am fairly blunt. Where as it seems most people just seem to "let poor Dave rant.."... I am prolly just not "mature" enough...

bradwright
11-07-2010, 03:21 AM
Yes I agree but us grown ups have some fun too, last night we went to a party, Matt was a gorilla, Audra was Carol Brady, and I was a evil Jester, and how manys times can you walk up to the bar and order a water with lemon and tell the bartender, and give the Gorilla whatever it wants. Good times.:tongue0011::tongue0011::happydancing:

:laugh:...and yes, even the big kids dress up and have some fun as well ! !

Tyburn
11-07-2010, 06:55 PM
1) Dude.. you share yourself with anyone that will listen for half a second.. If you don't see that.. you have more issues than Time magazine.

2) Trust me.. on your "annual tour" I don't think it would be wise to meet me...you would prolly spout off some non-sense.. and I would laugh at you.. and things would go down hill from there..

3) I have met several people from here.. and I think that it's safe to say. we "got on fairly well".
I think the main reason that we don't get along is that compared to some of the others... I am still "new blood".. and I don't know how to tolerate you.. and when I call you out... I am fairly blunt. Where as it seems most people just seem to "let poor Dave rant.."... I am prolly just not "mature" enough...

1) im select with what counts. :ninja:

2) they only occure about once every two years actually :tongue0011:

3) :laugh::laugh: :laugh: if you say so :laugh::laugh::laugh:

4) well, immature, possibly...but hardly new, you've been around for ages. I think you just dont have much self discipline when it comes to my topics of conversation. Typical masculinity, you have to have the last word...and because of the way you perceive my status here...which isnt half what you think...then I am a good person to target and verbally spar with. If you win, you get popularity, and maybe even applause for bringing down the mighty Tyburn :laugh: well...at least maybe 6 months ago...now I just dont think people really care much anymore.

I reply to you when I have nothing better to do...because I have noone better to verbal spar with. Part of me hopes one day you might give me a run for my money...alas alack :laugh::laugh:

Neezar
11-09-2010, 12:07 AM
1) A young kid getting dressed up and running around trick or treating, or frightening the elderly, or actually partaking in criminal damage, vandalism, and the likes is not good.


2)...now it might be harmless for a lot of Christians...but what about all the athiests and the lost who are indulging in this? Who are accidently, and unwittingly being a pagen for the night. I bet the Devil just loves that. He's made this a non issue for half the Christians, let alone the lost. 31st of October is his Night.

3) Our Church used to stage anti-halloween parties known as "the Light Night" Where Christians could gather, have fun, and be safe from the fools out in the street. It provided the youth with something better to do, and the elderly a sanctuary.


1) I think an evil impersonating a Christian is much more dangerous, don't you?

2) Dave, if dressing as an evil can accidentally (or unwittingly) cause you to be a pagen for a night (:rolleyes:) then why can't getting tattoos be creating windows for demons to enter? People have practiced that in history. So how can you justify one and not the other?

3) Almost all churches here provide alternate activities. Halloween was on Sunday this year so some churches had activities Saturday night when some chose to celebrate and again on Sunday night. The church we went to also asks for no 'scary' costumes. My oldest son didn't like that at all. The scary, the better for him. It is kinda like you thirst to watch violence; he has one to want to be scared on Halloween. He likes scary movies, too.

Neezar
11-10-2010, 10:33 AM
...and there is no neutral ground. That is to say if you dont actively choose to stand for GOD you can be used like a pawn of the Devil, without your knowledge.



Not actively doing anything is called tolerance. Satan gains his army from tolerance, not kids dressing up in costumes.



4) it should not be an excuse...thats my entire point. I have never experienced Halloween in the States...I do hear that its more a fancy dress party, then a dress up and ghouls and go fighten some seniors...and if thats the case...well...I still wouldnt condone it...but it might be better then what we have here....marginally. But I cant in good conscience condone that which I believe is a manifestation of what I perceive to be a real dangerous threat from a sworne enemy.



See above.

Tyburn
11-10-2010, 08:05 PM
1) I think an evil impersonating a Christian is much more dangerous, don't you?

2) Dave, if dressing as an evil can accidentally (or unwittingly) cause you to be a pagen for a night (:rolleyes:) then why can't getting tattoos be creating windows for demons to enter? People have practiced that in history. So how can you justify one and not the other?

3) Almost all churches here provide alternate activities. Halloween was on Sunday this year so some churches had activities Saturday night when some chose to celebrate and again on Sunday night. The church we went to also asks for no 'scary' costumes. My oldest son didn't like that at all. The scary, the better for him. It is kinda like you thirst to watch violence; he has one to want to be scared on Halloween. He likes scary movies, too.

1) that is what Evil usually does. Its why it seems harmless to have a party and dress up. :ninja:

2) it depends what Tattoos you have. Its not the process of dressing up, or having the Tattoos that are evil...its what they stand for, or what they give out. I Remember watching a film, a Horror, about an evil spirit, who would go into a person and kill them, or use them to kill others. Til one bright spark decided he would tattoo around his waist some kinda spell to trap spirits, once the spirit got inside...it couldnt get out because it couldnt cross the inscription. Fictitious...but it prooves the point. It depends what you have on your body...and yes...like many things, I reckon, the wrong inscriptions could open you up for attack. I wouldnt ever advocate tattoos that incorperated for example symbology stolen from other religions...I wouldnt tattoo incantations, or spells from the wiccan tradition. I personally, would advocate the drawing of demons, or skulls or anything either. You have to remember ALL my Tattoos hold Christian meaning.

3) I like to watch gore and horror, yes...it acts as an escapist cathartic vent, that probably stops me from carrying it out on all the dumbasses I work with :laugh: .as I sang to a guy...who we shall call..."stephen" at work today when I was ordered to clear up someone elses shyte that had gone all over the floor...I begrudgingly did it...whilst they watched, and as I was mopping the floor, began to sing "he stood their laughing, I felt the mop in my hand...and he laughed no more, forgive me dear Stephen, I just couldnt take anymore" :laugh::laugh::laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypJlDd9QsiE

:wink:

Tyburn
11-10-2010, 08:15 PM
Not actively doing anything is called tolerance. Satan gains his army from tolerance, not kids dressing up in costumes.



See above.

I would say dressing up in Evil at a pagen festival date (which is what the pagens do) is tolleration...no :huh:

The fact is...the festival shouldnt be remembered or celebrated period...it shouldnt be a mas consumer market each year, and it shouldnt involve dressing up as Evil.

We tollerate it in our Callendar...more then we do any other Religion...you dont find the children celebrating the passover, or celebrating the islamic fast...but you DO find them celebrating some obscure and horrible Pagen date???? How on earth did that come about?? how come noone celebrates Yule-tide, or the summer solstice...or the equinox?? But yet, they do celebrate Halloween...after all...if this is just an excuse for a party...you can find an excuse to did it probably many times a month if you celebrate EVERY religions festivals.

But no...somehow...it was just the devils day that got remembered and got celebrated. You might think thats a bizzare an meaningless bit of historical irony. I think its probably something the enemy has worked hard on nurturing over the decades.

Neezar
11-11-2010, 03:29 AM
2) it depends what Tattoos you have. Its not the process of dressing up, or having the Tattoos that are evil...its what they stand for, or what they give out. I Remember watching a film, a Horror, about an evil spirit, who would go into a person and kill them, or use them to kill others. Til one bright spark decided he would tattoo around his waist some kinda spell to trap spirits, once the spirit got inside...it couldnt get out because it couldnt cross the inscription. Fictitious...but it prooves the point. It depends what you have on your body...and yes...like many things, I reckon, the wrong inscriptions could open you up for attack. I wouldnt ever advocate tattoos that incorperated for example symbology stolen from other religions...I wouldnt tattoo incantations, or spells from the wiccan tradition. I personally, would advocate the drawing of demons, or skulls or anything either. You have to remember ALL my Tattoos hold Christian meaning.

:wink:

Now you are getting around to decent logic. It depends on your intent and what you are dressing up for. It is only dangerous if you are doing it to honor/appease evil.