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Vizion
10-10-2010, 05:14 PM
Multiculturalism is the exact opposite of what our great American culture was founded upon. Most American Coins have the words "E Pluribus Unum" stamped on them. This means: "Out of many, One". America has always been a melting pot in which many diverse cultures are mixed together and have been transformed into a single great American culture in the end.

Our unique American culture has led us to be the freest, wealthiest, most benevolently powerful nation that this world has ever seen. This is NOT due to cultural diversity, but to the contrary, this was due to our founding principles and concept of "the American melting pot".

Freedom from religious persecution is one of our founding principles. Of course religious freedom is part of the American culture. However, a moral and religious people is required for self governance.

In today's day and age, Christianity is often ridiculed, mocked and discredited. Diverse cultures, that often lack faith in God and sometimes are incompatible with Jedeo-Christian principles, are often celebrated, embraced and encouraged by today's schools, the media, popular culture and the government. In my humble opinion, this trend needs to be reversed if we are to survive as a nation and a culture.

Our first founding document, The declaration of Independence states:

............We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".................

This simple document eventually led to the idea of self-governance as outlined in our constitution and our bill of rights. These ideas eventually led to the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement which set an example for the rest of the world. The experiment of American self-governance by a moral and religious people has brought charity, freedom and security to all corners of the globe. The American experiment has culminated in what later became the unique American culture.

Historically, many people have fled persecution, oppression and poverty to build a better life for their families in America. People from diverse cultures came to America with hopes and dreams of melting into our culture and raising American children who would have opportunities that were not available in their homeland. They left their old cultures behind to become Americans.

America became stronger when foreigners became Americanized. Immigrants took on American sounding names, they learned English, they sent their children to American schools, they dressed like Americans, they celebrated American holidays, they took pride in being American and they became part of the rich and wonderful American culture. For the most part, they left behind the culture, language and most of the customs of the land that they fled. This was true for my own grandparents and for most grandparents of my generation.

When we encouraged immigrants to take pride in America and become Americanized, we built a stronger, wealthier and freer nation.

If we encourage Americans to celebrate the various, cultures, languages and customs of the nations that these immigrants fled, America will inevitably become less united, weaker, poorer, more corrupt and less free, like the nations that these immigrants fled from in the first place.

Immigrants came here to seek a better life in the greatest nation that this world has ever seen. The more Americanized they become, the better they will be able to avail themselves of the boundless opportunities that America has to offer. We do ourselves and our immigrants a disservice if we do not insist on unity and pride in America's, culture, language and rich heritage.

United we stand, divided we will fall. Multiculturalism tends to divide, categorize and highlight the differences among people and cultures. Multiculturalism asks us to accept things that are not always in the best interest of America. The unique American culture has led us to prosper and grow and be a beacon of freedom and inspiration for the rest of the world. America has grown to become the freest, wealthiest and most benevolently powerful nation that this world has ever seen. This can only be diminished by diluting our rich culture, language and noble heritage with multiculturalism.

http://redblueamerica.com/blog/2009-06-01/why-multiculturalism-bad-for-america-5366

Rochambeau
10-12-2010, 04:06 AM
Once upon a time people came here and they did all that they could to become great Australians and now there's a lot of people that will say that they're not Australian, even when they were born here. If people came here 2 years ago or 4 years ago, they've become a citizen of Australian and want to call themselves Australians, I think it's fantastic ~ I am no more Australian than what they are (if they embrace our culture and live like Australians). When people disrespect the nation and say that they're not Australian, because their parents are from abroad, I want to say something to them.

We all have backgrounds and I'm proud of my own, but I won't say that I'm not Australian.

Tyburn
10-13-2010, 11:44 PM
Our unique American culture has led us to be the freest, wealthiest, most benevolently powerful nation that this world has ever seen.


:laugh:

But I aggree with the sentiment. There is a definate American Culture which spans everything I have seen and come into contact with thus far. Its almost a group of subcultures, choosing to put on a larger mantle.

Its never happened and succeeded on the Planet before.

Tyburn
10-13-2010, 11:54 PM
Once upon a time people came here and they did all that they could to become great Australians and now there's a lot of people that will say that they're not Australian, even when they were born here. If people came here 2 years ago or 4 years ago, they've become a citizen of Australian and want to call themselves Australians, I think it's fantastic ~ I am no more Australian than what they are (if they embrace our culture and live like Australians). When people disrespect the nation and say that they're not Australian, because their parents are from abroad, I want to say something to them.

We all have backgrounds and I'm proud of my own, but I won't say that I'm not Australian.

:unsure-1: but Australia is different to the United States. In America different European Settlers collonized certain parts before rejecting their heratage to form a cohesive Union that survived a schism. People often fled to it, in order to escape Europe. But once formed, it was isolationistic for many decades. People didnt flock to it, until it became a super-power, which it did due to passive support for much of the War until forced to retaliate by the Japanese when, quite litterally, the war appeared on the doorstep of their outtermost collonies (the ones they had not actively chosen to abandon to the Japanese in continental Asia) When the War was over, ended by the might of the new super-power people flocked to her, largely missunderstanding her, and now, I believe, threatening her existance.

Australia (that which is not native) was a Penal Collonie for the British Empire, which eventually flourished so much, that people were actively encouraged for next to no personal cost, to move out there. Though never a super-power, for some reason her culture is terribly attractive to lots of others...Where Canada is somehow Britons with American Accents...Australia is seen as all the best bit of England...but..without the pomp. Its seen as relaxed, laid back, enjoyable. She's done a 180 from her...unfortunate...conception, in a remarkable fashion...the US has tried never to swerve from a perfect foundation. Whilst these two...almost opposites continue to grow more distinct from each other and from their origins...the nations that spawned them, and those to similar too her seem to kinda wane :unsure-1:

Rochambeau
10-14-2010, 04:57 AM
Right, but.. What does that have to do with what I said? We have people that are offended by the Australian flag and they live here! They're quite happy to recieve all the benfits that they can from the Australian government, but they're offended by the flag.. It's probably only going to get worse. We're affected by multiculturalism, too.

CAVEMAN
10-14-2010, 09:13 PM
May I suggest the book:

"The Death of Truth: What's Wrong With Multiculturalism, the Rejection of Reason and the New Postmodern Diversity"

Dennis McCallum

Miss Foxy
11-24-2010, 04:44 PM
The most ignorant thread my eyes have ever seen!! I am amazed, actually I'm not..:blink: This land belonged to the Natives..

flo
11-24-2010, 05:30 PM
Multiculturalism will never work. Just look at the latest example with TSA screenings. They are groping nuns and 3 yr. olds but won't examine anyone wearing a hijab for fear of offending the muslims. Good job, TSA!

Thanks for the book recommendation, caveman, I'll definitely request it from our library.

I agree with you, Rochambeau, we both welcome people with open arms who want to embrace our country and our culture. 200+ yr-old history has nothing to do with it.

In our insane drive to appease an individual who may be offended by something (at the expense of the majority), we've done away with common sense, to our peril.

que
11-25-2010, 01:56 AM
The most ignorant thread my eyes have ever seen!! I am amazed, actually I'm not..:blink: This land belonged to the Natives..

once again you post something that is 100% correct. my only question is why are there people like this OP who are making threads that are 100% wrong and why are you NOT making threads. YOU should be the one making all these threads because you are ALWAYS 100% right

Miss Foxy
11-25-2010, 04:21 AM
once again you post something that is 100% correct. my only question is why are there people like this OP who are making threads that are 100% wrong and why are you NOT making threads. YOU should be the one making all these threads because you are ALWAYS 100% right

Because mine will be deleted honey..:Whistle: Lets see 3, 2, 1....

Neezar
11-25-2010, 04:21 AM
once again you post something that is 100% correct. my only question is why are there people like this OP who are making threads that are 100% wrong and why are you NOT making threads. YOU should be the one making all these threads because you are ALWAYS 100% right

Since you seem to have a sure idea of what is 100% wrong and what is 100% right, maybe you could grace us with a little of your knowledge and give us examples of what is "right" about multiculturalism.

NateR
11-25-2010, 04:27 AM
The most ignorant thread my eyes have ever seen!! I am amazed, actually I'm not..:blink: This land belonged to the Natives..

Um, yeah, because the Comanche, Apache, Mayans and Aztecs were all such bastions of open-mindedness and tolerance. :rolleyes:

NateR
11-25-2010, 04:28 AM
once again you post something that is 100% correct. my only question is why are there people like this OP who are making threads that are 100% wrong and why are you NOT making threads. YOU should be the one making all these threads because you are ALWAYS 100% right

No, you just 100% agree with her revisionist historical viewpoint. It has nothing to do with right or wrong.

Miss Foxy
11-25-2010, 04:29 AM
No, you just 100% agree with her revisionist historical viewpoint. It has nothing to do with right or wrong.

Wow Nate your surprising me tonight.. :scared0015:

NateR
11-25-2010, 04:36 AM
Wow Nate your surprising me tonight.. :scared0015:

It's nothing personal. I hope we can agree to disagree; but I just firmly believe that pluralism is a cancer that destroys human civilizations, it doesn't strengthen them.

Miss Foxy
11-25-2010, 04:38 AM
It's nothing personal. I hope we can agree to disagree; but I just firmly believe that pluralism is a cancer that destroys human civilizations, it doesn't strengthen them.

I have nothing to protest. That's your opinion, and I have mine. Do you have to sit here all night and debate your opinion to me? No, and same here. That easy..I have nothing but love for ya Nate...:)

NateR
11-25-2010, 04:42 AM
Do you have to sit here all night and debate your opinion to me?

I replied twice with a grand total of two sentences. :huh: :laugh:

Anyways, I can deal with agreeing to disagree.:cool:

rearnakedchoke
11-25-2010, 03:06 PM
i can see an argument for both sides on this .. however, i think that multiculturalism works great in certain country's ... i think america is a good example and i also think canada is a great example ... i live in perhaps on of the most multicultural cities in the world, and it's amazing to see certain areas of the city with populations holding some of there own culture and also embracing canadian culture ... yes, it may be more difficult to see it working in more rural areas, but i think eventually it will be an asset to the country rather than a detriment .. but that's just my opinion ...

Vizion
11-25-2010, 03:45 PM
The most ignorant thread my eyes have ever seen!! I am amazed, actually I'm not..:blink: This land belonged to the Natives..
Oh yes, so ignorant :rolleyes: Perhaps you should address a specific portion of the article before making a summary statement that makes you sound ignorant :Whistle:

America is a melting pot - MELTING being the key word. Some people want to come here and NOT melt. What made America great was the immigrants who came here KNEW they had to melt into the pot ie. integrate into a mass population. Today, we are expected to accomadate every culture from every other part of the world - which doesn't work, which breeds division; which makes a nation weaker as a whole.

United - out of many, one.

Vizion
11-25-2010, 03:47 PM
once again you post something that is 100% correct. my only question is why are there people like this OP who are making threads that are 100% wrong and why are you NOT making threads. YOU should be the one making all these threads because you are ALWAYS 100% rightWhere are all your brilliant threads? Why not address specific points in the thread that are "100% wrong" rather than make useless statements :rolleyes:

Vizion
11-25-2010, 04:13 PM
i can see an argument for both sides on this .. however, i think that multiculturalism works great in certain country's ... i think america is a good example and i also think canada is a great example ... i live in perhaps on of the most multicultural cities in the world, and it's amazing to see certain areas of the city with populations holding some of there own culture and also embracing canadian culture ... yes, it may be more difficult to see it working in more rural areas, but i think eventually it will be an asset to the country rather than a detriment .. but that's just my opinion ...If you are right then it sounds as if those groups have succeeded in the "for the most part" sense - per the article - America became stronger when foreigners became Americanized. Immigrants took on American sounding names, they learned English, they sent their children to American schools, they dressed like Americans, they celebrated American holidays, they took pride in being American and they became part of the rich and wonderful American culture. For the most part, they left behind the culture, language and most of the customs of the land that they fled. This was true for my own grandparents and for most grandparents of my generation.

I think the term multiculturalism itself is a misnomer here...there can be only one ruling culture in a society and in a nation.

Here is a video link to the German Chancilor Merkel speaking about how great "multi"culturalism has worked out for Germany. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKG76HF24_k - like she says, the key is INTEGRATION.

rearnakedchoke
11-25-2010, 04:36 PM
If you are right then it sounds as if those groups have succeeded in the "for the most part" sense - per the article - America became stronger when foreigners became Americanized. Immigrants took on American sounding names, they learned English, they sent their children to American schools, they dressed like Americans, they celebrated American holidays, they took pride in being American and they became part of the rich and wonderful American culture. For the most part, they left behind the culture, language and most of the customs of the land that they fled. This was true for my own grandparents and for most grandparents of my generation.

I think the term multiculturalism itself is a misnomer here...there can be only one ruling culture in a society and in a nation.

Here is a video link to the German Chancilor Merkel speaking about how great "multi"culturalism has worked out for Germany. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKG76HF24_k - like she says, the key is INTEGRATION.

multiculturalism is probably not the correct term, but it is something that we have used correctly ... even the earliest settlers stuck with some of there traditions and weren't fully integrated (little italy, chinatown etc) ... i think society would be boring if everyone fully integrated and lost all of their culture ...

and germany i don't think is a good example ...

Vizion
11-25-2010, 04:44 PM
multiculturalism is probably not the correct term, but it is something that we have used correctly ... even the earliest settlers stuck with some of there traditions and weren't fully integrated (little italy, chinatown etc) ... i think society would be boring if everyone fully integrated and lost all of their culture ...For the MOST PART, they were. That's what matters because that is what makes a society strong.

Am I false?

rearnakedchoke
11-25-2010, 04:48 PM
i won't say you are false ... i won't say i am either .... it's hard for me to comment on this as I only see what happens up here and i think it's working fine ... could it be better? sure ... but i would hate to see everyone around here carrying a hockey stick, holding a tim hortons and saying eh all kinds ... LOL ...

i think there needs to be adaptation for sure, but the term integrations just sounds too strong for me .. dunno ...

NateR
11-25-2010, 06:47 PM
but i would hate to see everyone around here carrying a hockey stick, holding a tim hortons and saying eh all kinds ... LOL ...

Integration has nothing to do with sacrificing individuality. You are definitely taking the concept way too far and you are objecting to an extreme interpretation, which I think any rational person would object to.

que
11-25-2010, 10:41 PM
Since you seem to have a sure idea of what is 100% wrong and what is 100% right, maybe you could grace us with a little of your knowledge and give us examples of what is "right" about multiculturalism.

how about, i decline your proposal. how about that? lol

rearnakedchoke
11-25-2010, 11:38 PM
Integration has nothing to do with sacrificing individuality. You are definitely taking the concept way too far and you are objecting to an extreme interpretation, which I think any rational person would object to.

i understand ... but where do you draw the line in integration? everyone must speak english .. this i have no problem with ... US should make english their official language .. Canada has two, english and french .. you must exhibit literacy in one of those when coming to canada .. what else? no hijabs, crosses, yamakas (as i believe they have done in france public schools) ... again, if it is fair to everyone, i have no issue ... but you are telling people they can come to a country with freedom of religion, then saying you can't wear this or that ... i totally understand the concept, but it is not an exact science in getting it accomplished ...

Vizion
11-26-2010, 03:36 AM
how about, i decline your proposal. how about that? lolI.e. "I don't know what I am talking about"

:tongue0011:

Vizion
11-26-2010, 04:19 AM
If we encourage Americans to celebrate the various cultures (i.e. not assimilating and thus fitting in), languages (being alien to those to the prevailing culture around you) and customs of the nations (i.e. a non-respecter of the laws of the land) that these immigrants fled, America will inevitably become less united, weaker, poorer, more corrupt and less free, like the nations that these immigrants fled from in the first place.

Out of many, One.

Multiculturalism - its a nice thought, but it doesn't work...kind of like socialism.

Bonnie
11-26-2010, 06:06 AM
Oh yes, so ignorant :rolleyes: Perhaps you should address a specific portion of the article before making a summary statement that makes you sound ignorant :Whistle:

America is a melting pot - MELTING being the key word. Some people want to come here and NOT melt. What made America great was the immigrants who came here KNEW they had to melt into the pot ie. integrate into a mass population. Today, we are expected to accomadate every culture from every other part of the world - which doesn't work, which breeds division; which makes a nation weaker as a whole.

United - out of many, one.

This has become so true. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I am going to use the hispanic immigrant population as the example here. I think we have twisted ourselves sideways and inside-out to "accommodate" and convenience our hispanic immigrant population more so than any other immigrant population from what I can tell. You hear it when you place a call and hear "press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish"; you see it when you buy a loaf of bread and the nutritional info is in Spanish on one side and English on the other; you see it in our schools with the spanish speaking classes provided and bi-linqual teachers employed to accommodate the non-english speaking kids; a lot of places like doctors offices require bi-linquals in order to accommodate their spanish-speaking-only patients. I definitely think this has bred division. We got a big dose of this division when Arizona tried to put into effect immigration law.

To me, all of this accommodation has created more of a segregation effect which is in direct conflict with melting.

i think there needs to be adaptation for sure, but the term integrations just sounds too strong for me .. dunno ...

Integrate means to unite, and to do that there has to be adaptation. I don't think you can have one successfully without the other.

flo
11-26-2010, 06:10 AM
Awesome post, Bonnie. Your points are so true.

Neezar
11-29-2010, 11:56 AM
Awesome post, Bonnie. Your points are so true.

Yep.

NateR
11-29-2010, 11:23 PM
To me, all of this accommodation has created more of a segregation effect which is in direct conflict with melting.

It's called "divide and conquer" and it's the most effective way of destroying a nation: by turning its population against itself. Which is why we are no longer just Americans, we're now African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Asian-Americans, Pacific-Islander-Americans, etc.

Bonnie
11-30-2010, 12:05 AM
It's called "divide and conquer" and it's the most effective way of destroying a nation: by turning its population against itself. Which is why we are no longer just Americans, we're now African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Asian-Americans, Pacific-Islander-Americans, etc.

Muslim-American...definitely see it! Another group we can't trip over ourselves fast enough to accommodate! :wink:

We are going to "politically correct" ourselves right into extinction! For example, I think because our government doesn't want to be seen as or accused of racial/religious profiling muslims, we now all (for the most part) have to subject ourselves to these full body scanners or else be physically patted down by strangers if we fly. This is just my opinion, but I have heard others mention it too.

rockdawg21
11-30-2010, 06:42 PM
Oh yes, so ignorant :rolleyes: Perhaps you should address a specific portion of the article before making a summary statement that makes you sound ignorant :Whistle:

America is a melting pot - MELTING being the key word. Some people want to come here and NOT melt. What made America great was the immigrants who came here KNEW they had to melt into the pot ie. integrate into a mass population. Today, we are expected to accomadate every culture from every other part of the world - which doesn't work, which breeds division; which makes a nation weaker as a whole.

United - out of many, one.
Time for a new poster:

"Coming to America?
Get with the program!"

In other words..."This is OUR country, not YOURS. You want to live here, then follow OUR CULTURE, get with the program or get the **** out!" Of course, this will never happen because our country is full of a bunch of pussies who think for some stupid reason that we need to accommodate everybody else's needs rather than looking out for what's truly best for our country, following the Constitution.