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VCURamFan
10-01-2010, 03:45 PM
For those that don't know, in the multiplayer part of the latest edition of EA's Medal of Honor game, there was going to be an option to play as the Taliban (against US military). Needless to say, this got a lot of negative press. EA has acknowledged the mistake & is now chaning the Taliban to "the opposing force". Here's the statement made by executive producer Greg Goodrich:

The majority of this feedback has been overwhelmingly positive. For this, the Medal of Honor team is deeply appreciative. However, we have also received feedback from friends and families of fallen soldiers who have expressed concern over the inclusion of the Taliban in the multiplayer portion of our game. This is a very important voice to the Medal of Honor team. This is a voice that has earned the right to be listened to. It is a voice that we care deeply about. ... While this change should not directly affect gamers, as it does not fundamentally alter the gameplay, we are making this change for the men and women serving in the military and for the families of those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice this franchise will never willfully disrespect, intentionally or otherwise, your memory and service.

logrus
10-01-2010, 04:02 PM
For those that don't know, in the multiplayer part of the latest edition of EA's Medal of Honor game, there was going to be an option to play as the Taliban (against US military). Needless to say, this got a lot of negative press. EA has acknowledged the mistake & is now chaning the Taliban to "the opposing force". Here's the statement made by executive producer Greg Goodrich:

Another win for the Taliban.

VCURamFan
10-01-2010, 04:08 PM
Another win for the Taliban.
:huh:

I don't quite follow . . .

County Mike
10-01-2010, 04:20 PM
This is a good thing. We don't need Americans (or anyone else for that matter) pretending to be the Taliban and taking glory in killing computer rendered American soldiers.

If they removed the Taliban as an enemy due to muslim influence, I would take offense. This change, however, is fine and dandy.

Bonnie
10-01-2010, 05:58 PM
:huh:

I don't quite follow . . .

I don't either unless Logrus is thinking about the whole 9/11-muslim-koran-burning withdrawal. If that's what he is thinking is, I don't feel this is the same thing...the Taliban don't win by EA changing or tweaking the game. IMO

This is a good thing. We don't need Americans (or anyone else for that matter) pretending to be the Taliban and taking glory in killing computer rendered American soldiers.

If they removed the Taliban as an enemy due to muslim influence, I would take offense. This change, however, is fine and dandy.

Agree :)

J.B.
10-02-2010, 06:32 AM
I agree with Mike, this was a move by EA on their own, so it's not like they were pressured to do it.

However, I find it funny, because most gamers I know could care less about Medal of Honor anymore. Besides, whats the difference of being a Taliban or being a Nazi? The early MOH games are based on WW2 and it was always a popular, and laughable, feature that you had to choose between being an American and being a Nazi in multiplayer games.

Ultimately, most gamers don't care what color their sprite is wearing, they just wanna WIN by shooting people in the face....now I ask...is that so bad? :laugh:

J.B.
10-02-2010, 06:38 AM
Another win for the Taliban.

Obviously I don't speak for you, brother, but I THINK I know what you are getting at....

Why give the Taliban the satisfaction of knowing it bothers us? AmIrite? :)

Screw em, it's just a video game. Hell, after playing GTA and Mafia 2 I don't see how there could possibly be any limits for what we see in games. Do we take the Taliban out of action movies too?

Still, I get the point, we shouldn't embolden the idea of Taliban killing American soldiers, no matter how small it may seem. So I give EA a "tip of the cap" for stepping up and making the change. It would have been much easier to ignore it, as they did in earlier games with Nazis.

logrus
10-02-2010, 04:50 PM
I agree with Mike, this was a move by EA on their own, so it's not like they were pressured to do it.

However, I find it funny, because most gamers I know could care less about Medal of Honor anymore. Besides, whats the difference of being a Taliban or being a Nazi? The early MOH games are based on WW2 and it was always a popular, and laughable, feature that you had to choose between being an American and being a Nazi in multiplayer games.

Ultimately, most gamers don't care what color their sprite is wearing, they just wanna WIN by shooting people in the face....now I ask...is that so bad? :laugh:

So pretty much what they are saying is its wrong to have a Taliban enemy in MP. But it was fine to have the Nazi's, its fine to have the Russians, and its fine to have every other terrorist org. I guess its wrong to have an appropriate enemy in MP. But hey its cool that we are going to pit American soldiers vs American soldiers.

By the way JB MOH sold 3 million pre orders already and it isnt due out til NOV9. I think a lot of people care about it. Also a lot of players think it was stupid to remove it from MP.

logrus
10-02-2010, 05:25 PM
Obviously I don't speak for you, brother, but I THINK I know what you are getting at....

Why give the Taliban the satisfaction of knowing it bothers us? AmIrite? :)

Screw em, it's just a video game. Hell, after playing GTA and Mafia 2 I don't see how there could possibly be any limits for what we see in games. Do we take the Taliban out of action movies too?

Still, I get the point, we shouldn't embolden the idea of Taliban killing American soldiers, no matter how small it may seem. So I give EA a "tip of the cap" for stepping up and making the change. It would have been much easier to ignore it, as they did in earlier games with Nazis.

Why aren't they upset with the Taliban in the campaign version fo the game.You put that thing on Insanity and they will be slaughtering your team over and over. Anyone whos played a AI team based game knows how idiotic your group mates will become.

logrus
10-02-2010, 05:29 PM
Here you guys go, watch this video of the new MP game for BC2 *cough cough EA cough cough*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUucx58PgI8&feature=player_embedded

Geez, I wonder what bad guy I will be playing now... :Whistle:

rockdawg21
10-02-2010, 07:05 PM
This is a good thing. We don't need Americans (or anyone else for that matter) pretending to be the Taliban and taking glory in killing computer rendered American soldiers.

If they removed the Taliban as an enemy due to muslim influence, I would take offense. This change, however, is fine and dandy.
So, should Axis and Allies be banned too?

Maldonado136
10-02-2010, 07:25 PM
lol its a video game. those wusses.

NateR
10-03-2010, 12:49 AM
So, should Axis and Allies be banned too?

I don't think anyone said anything about the Medal of Honor game being banned, just a specific portion of it has been removed. Let's not blow this out of proportion.

I agree that this is the right thing to do, because:

We are still at war with the Taliban and they are still killing American soldiers!

Could you imagine Americans pretending to be Nazis killing American soldiers in 1942? They would be traitors. The same applies to American citizens wanting to play as Taliban forces today. You might not take warfare seriously, but it's a real thing I can assure you of that.

The option to play as Taliban forces should never have been considered for inclusion into this or any American-produced game.

I can't applaud EA for removing this option, because I see it as more along the lines of damage control after they caught flak for what was an ill-conceived notion in the first place.

NateR
10-03-2010, 12:53 AM
lol its a video game. those wusses.

So, any American who has lost a loved one in Afghanistan and objects to the idea of treating the killing of American soldiers as some sort of positive goal that people should aspire to, is a wuss?

Trying to downplay the psychological impact that this can have as "it's just a video game" shows your ignorance on the issue.

logrus
10-03-2010, 02:53 AM
I don't think anyone said anything about the Medal of Honor game being banned, just a specific portion of it has been removed. Let's not blow this out of proportion.

I agree that this is the right thing to do, because:

We are still at war with the Taliban and they are still killing American soldiers!

Could you imagine Americans pretending to be Nazis killing American soldiers in 1942? They would be traitors. The same applies to American citizens wanting to play as Taliban forces today. You might not take warfare seriously, but it's a real thing I can assure you of that.

The option to play as Taliban forces should never have been considered for inclusion into this or any American-produced game.

I can't applaud EA for removing this option, because I see it as more along the lines of damage control after they caught flak for what was an ill-conceived notion in the first place.

Then why is it ok to set the time frame in the present day, against Muslim characters, in the Middle East? Besides there is no difference playing as a Tali or the AI playing a Tali. In the end NPCS will die, Players will die, and AI will die.

Hey but who cares right. Lets have Americans soldiers kill other American soldiers. I mean its not like in recent history we haven't had a shooting on a military base or a soldier hold a bunch of people hostages. Its not like we haven't had a crazed ex military blowing up federal building or nothing..

Americans killing Americans, now that's patriotic...

NateR
10-03-2010, 06:35 AM
Then why is it ok to set the time frame in the present day, against Muslim characters, in the Middle East? Besides there is no difference playing as a Tali or the AI playing a Tali. In the end NPCS will die, Players will die, and AI will die.

Hey but who cares right. Lets have Americans soldiers kill other American soldiers. I mean its not like in recent history we haven't had a shooting on a military base or a soldier hold a bunch of people hostages. Its not like we haven't had a crazed ex military blowing up federal building or nothing..

Americans killing Americans, now that's patriotic...

LOL, you should stop trying to participate in intelligent discussions while you are drunk because you are making no sense whatsoever. :rolleyes:

Seriously, a computer programmer creating a system of AI in order to present gamers with a realistic and challenging "threat" is in no way the same as a player striving to "kill" virtual American soldiers and getting rewarded for it. Any reasonably intelligent person can see that.

As for your last comments, they are just too ridiculous to even respond to.

J.B.
10-03-2010, 08:38 AM
Seriously, a computer programmer creating a system of AI in order to present gamers with a realistic and challenging "threat" is in no way the same as a player striving to "kill" virtual American soldiers and getting rewarded for it. Any reasonably intelligent person can see that.


So, any American who has lost a loved one in Afghanistan and objects to the idea of treating the killing of American soldiers as some sort of positive goal that people should aspire to, is a wuss?

Trying to downplay the psychological impact that this can have as "it's just a video game" shows your ignorance on the issue.

I agree that not everything we see in games is in the best taste, and this is something they could have avoided all together. However, I think you are overstating what's really happening though.

The games are two part games, a story mode and an online multiplayer mode. The characters used in the story mode are what they base the characters for the online mode off of, and no matter what there is always going to be "good guys" and "bad guys". When gamers play the story mode, they are not given the option of being a member of the Taliban to fight against the USA, essentially setting the USA up as "the good guys" in the game.

When people play the multiplayer modes, they are given an option of playing one side or the other to some degree, but the matchmaking is also set up at random most of the time so people don't know what team they are on. I think it's clear as to why there would need to be different characters when having team play, so that people know who they are supposed to shoot. However, by saying that the game is trying to reward people for "striving to kill" virtual American soldiers, may be taking it a step too far. Sure, there may be some twisted gamers out there who think that's funny or actually do hate America, and EA does leave the door open for this by designing the game that way, but I would also say that those people are probably like that because of some other serious mental defect and not because they started playing MoH.

Obviously, it's simply the fact that they used the name "Taliban" that ruffles peoples feathers. There have been LOTS of modern first person shooter games that are set in the middle east that nobody has complained about.

Jonlion
10-03-2010, 09:18 AM
I think it is correct that one cannot fight as the Taliban. It is different to the Nazi's and so forth because this is a current war. I understand the issues though but logically this works and good on EA for submitting a strong supportive response.

I don't buy Gaems or movies influencing people to do nasty stuff - they are mentally ill and they would take whatever crutch was availiable to influence them.

NateR
10-03-2010, 09:30 AM
but I would also say that those people are probably like that because of some other serious mental defect and not because they started playing MoH.

I don't buy Gaems or movies influencing people to do nasty stuff

Who is making this argument? I never said that playing a game like MoH was going to turn normal people into cold-blooded, America-hating killers. Those people already exist with or without the game, but why reward them with the ability to live out their depraved fantasies in video game format?

J.B.
10-03-2010, 03:34 PM
Who is making this argument? I never said that playing a game like MoH was going to turn normal people into cold-blooded, America-hating killers. Those people already exist with or without the game, but why reward them with the ability to live out their depraved fantasies in video game format?

I never claimed that you said that it did. I was merely adding that extra point to my statement in which I said EA leaves the door open for that criticism by designing the game that way.

I completely understand your point and, as I said, I have no problem with that at all. There is content in all games that people don't like or find offensive, and the idea of any game that has American soldiers getting killed by the player is offensive to many Americans, no matter if it is Nazi's, or Taliban, or whatever.

I just think it's fair to put things into a greater context than just saying the game is trying to reward players for killing virtual American soldiers. The multiplayer mode is about gamers playing against each other, and the different characters are only to distinguish who is who. Nothing will actually change about the game itself, or the characters. They will simply be called "Opposing Force" instead of Taliban. I'm not even saying that's wrong, it's EA's game so it is their call, and I think it's fine that they changed it.

I understand the criticism, and it's not the first time this has been brought up about this game or other games. Still, I think it's also important to remember how many games of this nature their are, some with far worse direct messages, and how relatively minute this is when in put into context as to WHY it was included in the game in the first place. The story mode is set in modern day Afghanistan, so naturally the "opposing force" is the Taliban.