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atomdanger
02-28-2009, 02:01 AM
http://www.themmanews.com/?p=2801


UFC Owner Lorenzo Fertitta recently did an interview with Tatame.com. Hereís his response as to why current WAMMA champion Fedor Emelianenko isnít in the UFC:

ďThatís a great question. I donít understand it too. Heís a great fighter, Iíd love to see him in the UFC. Weíve already offered a lot of money, more than what he has being paid in other events, so it doesnít make sense to me.Ē


A smart guy like Lorenzo all confused because somebody won't work for him,
and how odd, he even offered him more money.

lol

Makes me laugh.

Spiritwalker
02-28-2009, 02:11 AM
Well, if Fedor's team will not offer an explanation as to why.. it would have me confused as well.

Saying "no".. isn't wrong.. but a reason would maybe open other doors..

lc87
02-28-2009, 02:45 AM
I think he just wants to do what he wants and have fun. To me it seems like he just likes fighting and compeeting. And he probabally started with sambo that's why he wants to keep doing it. And from what I understand that's one of the main things that's keeping him away.

Josh
02-28-2009, 02:58 AM
Fedor is a stud. If he loses 20 fights in a row and retires he will still go down as one of the best fighters in history simply for the fact that he was dominating everyone he fought yet still turned down the bigger money to keep doing what he wanted. I love it that there is still someone out there to tell Dana he can't have all the power. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy, kind of like when Luke resists the Dark Side.

Hughes_GOAT
02-28-2009, 03:26 AM
Well, if Fedor's team will not offer an explanation as to why.. it would have me confused as well.

Saying "no".. isn't wrong.. but a reason would maybe open other doors..
his team has already explained it numerous times. one of the main sticking points is he wants to fight Sambo for his country. another is the exclusivity of the contract and not being able to fight outside the UFC.

atomdanger
02-28-2009, 03:59 AM
Well, if Fedor's team will not offer an explanation as to why.. it would have me confused as well.

Saying "no".. isn't wrong.. but a reason would maybe open other doors..


Really?
They gave sherdog a copy of the contract the UFC offered and Fedor said plain and simple it was just too restricting.

The contract was an 8 (or 10?) fight deal, and if he went undefeated the UFC could extend for as long as they wanted.
Among other odd things...

Spiritwalker
02-28-2009, 04:12 AM
Really?
They gave sherdog a copy of the contract the UFC offered and Fedor said plain and simple it was just too restricting.

The contract was an 8 (or 10?) fight deal, and if he went undefeated the UFC could extend for as long as they wanted.
Among other odd things...


Well.. The UFC, like other companies has to protect their brand.. so I can understand that...

but 8 fights does sound a bit long..

atomdanger
02-28-2009, 04:20 AM
Well.. The UFC, like other companies has to protect their brand.. so I can understand that...

but 8 fights does sound a bit long..

I don't feel its fair to say he can't be released if he doesn't get beaten,
but they can drop him at any time if he loses? yeah....
(I wouldn't work somewhere that if I did well, they wouldn't allow me to quit,
but if I did not so well, they could fire me at any time)

I also forgot about the Sambo thing, he loves Sambo,
and they didn't want him competing in that.

rockdawg21
02-28-2009, 01:26 PM
Strange to think a rich guy like Lorenzo isn't more savvy about trying to get Fedor. I'm in sales for a living and sometimes, I literally ask tough customers, "What would it take to EARN your business?" Most people lay it out right in front of you. Sometimes, they won't buy at all, but at least you know it, but, it still doesn't keep me from going to their library every year and try again.

Straight Right
02-28-2009, 02:53 PM
I don't feel its fair to say he can't be released if he doesn't get beaten,
but they can drop him at any time if he loses? yeah....
(I wouldn't work somewhere that if I did well, they wouldn't allow me to quit,
but if I did not so well, they could fire me at any time)

I also forgot about the Sambo thing, he loves Sambo,
and they didn't want him competing in that.


These are all good points but it is also the fact that M-1 Global wants to co-promote Fedor's fights with the UFC, and until they can work that out somehow, Fedor will never fight in the UFC regardless of money, sambo, or automatic contract extensions.

Psykojojo
02-28-2009, 04:07 PM
Fedor owns all prideFC footage he was in, considering that fact alone, I doubt Fedor would be down with the mighty Zuffa's 'we-own-your-face-for-like,-ever clause'. I'm sure that was one of the deciding factors for him

It's amazing that, to this day, people still side with Zuffa and say "raping everyone is fine, they're protecting their brand" or "it's a business, to run a successful one you need to be an utter douche, duh". (not direct quotes) You don't have to be a scumbag to be successful, mistreating/bullying people that don't deserve it is never acceptable and if you believe otherwise, well, I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if you were in contract negotiations with the glorious Zuffa demi-gods

VCURamFan
02-28-2009, 04:18 PM
Fedor owns all prideFC footage he was in, considering that fact alone, I doubt Fedor would be down with the mighty Zuffa's 'we-own-your-face-for-like,-ever clause'. I'm sure that was one of the deciding factors for him

It's amazing that, to this day, people still side with Zuffa and say "raping everyone is fine, they're protecting their brand" or "it's a business, to run a successful one you need to be a utter douche, duh". (not direct quotes) You don't have to be a scumbag to be successful, mistreating/bullying people that don't deserve it is never acceptable and if you believe otherwise, well, I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if you were in contract negotiations with the glorious Zuffa demi-godsYay, Jojo's back!!!!!!!

(btw, douches make the best business men!!)

Psykojojo
02-28-2009, 04:34 PM
Yay, Jojo's back!!!!!!!

(btw, douches make the best business men!!)

lol...Whats up brother.

Maybe, but it's not a prerequisite

Hughes_GOAT
02-28-2009, 04:44 PM
Fedor also wants to be able to fight whoever he wants. that means guys outside the UFC. the UFC only wants him to fight within the UFC. he wants to be able to fight M-1, Bodog, Affliction or anywhere....not only UFC.

Psykojojo
02-28-2009, 06:35 PM
Fedor also wants to be able to fight whoever he wants. that means guys outside the UFC. the UFC only wants him to fight within the UFC. he wants to be able to fight M-1, Bodog, Affliction or anywhere....not only UFC.

I've definatly missed alot this past year, but if memory serves correct, Fedor wants control of who he fights WITHIN the ufc, not freedom to fight whoever wherever. The only fights he was asking for outside of the UFC was new years in japan and his sambo tournys (if you even count those). I haven't heard anything about other orgs, but I know his managment wanted the UFC and m-1 to co-promote shows in Russia, thats the closest thing to fighting for another promotion (outside of NYE) that I've heard of.

I could be way off on this, like I said, I've missed ALOT in the sport.

atomdanger
02-28-2009, 06:41 PM
These are all good points but it is also the fact that M-1 Global wants to co-promote Fedor's fights with the UFC, and until they can work that out somehow, Fedor will never fight in the UFC regardless of money, sambo, or automatic contract extensions.


Ehh, I am sure Fedor would bend on that.

M - 1 doesn't go promote Dream (does it???), it didn't co Promote Pride did it?

que
02-28-2009, 06:42 PM
i think fedor just wants freedom, period. freedom to fight who he wants. freedom to fight where he wants. that's why he always has 1-fight deals and jumps from bodog to M-1 to affliction and now maybe to UFC for a 1-fight contract with barack lesnar. perhaps he had something in his childhood that scarred him and gave him this need for no commitment and freedom from longterm contracts. or maybe it's something else altogether

atomdanger
02-28-2009, 06:42 PM
Strange to think a rich guy like Lorenzo isn't more savvy about trying to get Fedor. I'm in sales for a living and sometimes, I literally ask tough customers, "What would it take to EARN your business?" Most people lay it out right in front of you. Sometimes, they won't buy at all, but at least you know it, but, it still doesn't keep me from going to their library every year and try again.


Yeah, well... Station Casino's did file bankruptcy, so maybe he isn't such an incredible business man.

atomdanger
02-28-2009, 06:43 PM
Fedor owns all prideFC footage he was in, considering that fact alone, I doubt Fedor would be down with the mighty Zuffa's 'we-own-your-face-for-like,-ever clause'. I'm sure that was one of the deciding factors for him

It's amazing that, to this day, people still side with Zuffa and say "raping everyone is fine, they're protecting their brand" or "it's a business, to run a successful one you need to be an utter douche, duh". (not direct quotes) You don't have to be a scumbag to be successful, mistreating/bullying people that don't deserve it is never acceptable and if you believe otherwise, well, I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if you were in contract negotiations with the glorious Zuffa demi-gods


Well said

Psykojojo
02-28-2009, 06:46 PM
Well said

Whats up Atom, long time buhday

Psykojojo
02-28-2009, 06:48 PM
i think fedor just wants freedom, period. freedom to fight who he wants. freedom to fight where he wants. that's why he always has 1-fight deals and jumps from bodog to M-1 to affliction and now maybe to UFC for a 1-fight contract with barack lesnar. perhaps he had something in his childhood that scarred him and gave him this need for no commitment and freedom from longterm contracts. or maybe it's something else altogether

Hey Cali, how you doing man

cheachea
02-28-2009, 08:24 PM
Man, I just hope they can reach some kind of deal one of these days. Can you imagine seeing Crocop vs. Fedor again in the UFC that would be awesome !!!

Hughes_GOAT
02-28-2009, 08:47 PM
I've definatly missed alot this past year, but if memory serves correct, Fedor wants control of who he fights WITHIN the ufc, not freedom to fight whoever wherever. The only fights he was asking for outside of the UFC was new years in japan and his sambo tournys (if you even count those). I haven't heard anything about other orgs, but I know his managment wanted the UFC and m-1 to co-promote shows in Russia, thats the closest thing to fighting for another promotion (outside of NYE) that I've heard of.

I could be way off on this, like I said, I've missed ALOT in the sport.
the only thing close to that, is he has said he wants a tune up fight in the cage before fighting for the title. that was before though. he's already challenged the UFC to let him fight Lesnar winner take all.

Tyburn
03-01-2009, 12:38 AM
I admire Fedor for sticking to his principles regardless of how the UFC take it in turns to degrade him publically (Dana White) and then try and entice him with better Money (Fettita)

Hughes_GOAT
03-01-2009, 12:58 AM
"Dana talks too much"--Fedor

KENTUCKYREDBONE
03-01-2009, 06:43 PM
Am I the only one that finds the title to this thread funny? Us Evil Americans only care about money!:laugh:

Tyburn
03-01-2009, 06:58 PM
Am I the only one that finds the title to this thread funny? Us Evil Americans only care about money!:laugh:
Fedor comes from a Communist Background, He wont be used to having any more then the bear minimum, thats not just a statement meant financially, its also a statement meant wholistically, in terms of where he lives. He wont be that materialistic because he wont have ever been given much to play with, niether would he want more then what the common man in his part of the world has.

He wont be driven by capitalistic culture in the same way as the west. He will be used to working long and hard hours for next to nothing, his values will be far more based on Utilitarianism, then personal wealth or security. He's been bought up to believe that he is a servant like anyone else for the greater good of society as a whole, not to serve himself on a basic level. He will probably recognise that for a greater good of a bigger sum of people, he's pretty much expendable.

Now I dont know how much of that he buys into, but thats the basics of socialism, not as they were conceved, but as how they play out on a large scale...presuming that Fedor is not one of the Russian Elite, or Russian Mafia. From what I understand about his past, he wasnt born into a rich and wealthy family, so he probably isnt of a Noble Bloodline that might be a benefiting party of the Communistic Structure....if this be the case, he probably has very dim views of those who enslave others, and who are elitest or have masses of wealth....He has been forced to work with others en mass in order to survive, so he's going to be very careful about who he lets "own" him in terms of his career. Thats probably why he likes his freedom, he doesnt want to be tied down because he's come from a part of the world where oppresion by people and insitutions with wealth to through away have bought peoples freedom and enslaved them.

He is a good man, with delicate principles, and he views the world from a different perspective, he ISNT a westerner...he's about as Eastern as the bounds of Modern Society flow...But Russians are strong, and they tune up to fight exceedingly well, lots of Eastern Europeans are trained because they still have Governments that impose whats called "National Sevice" Every Male in the country at one time or another has been active in their Military

Jonlion
03-01-2009, 10:04 PM
Fedor comes from a Communist Background, He wont be used to having any more then the bear minimum, thats not just a statement meant financially, its also a statement meant wholistically, in terms of where he lives. He wont be that materialistic because he wont have ever been given much to play with, niether would he want more then what the common man in his part of the world has.

He wont be driven by capitalistic culture in the same way as the west. He will be used to working long and hard hours for next to nothing, his values will be far more based on Utilitarianism, then personal wealth or security. He's been bought up to believe that he is a servant like anyone else for the greater good of society as a whole, not to serve himself on a basic level. He will probably recognise that for a greater good of a bigger sum of people, he's pretty much expendable.

Now I dont know how much of that he buys into, but thats the basics of socialism, not as they were conceved, but as how they play out on a large scale...presuming that Fedor is not one of the Russian Elite, or Russian Mafia. From what I understand about his past, he wasnt born into a rich and wealthy family, so he probably isnt of a Noble Bloodline that might be a benefiting party of the Communistic Structure....if this be the case, he probably has very dim views of those who enslave others, and who are elitest or have masses of wealth....He has been forced to work with others en mass in order to survive, so he's going to be very careful about who he lets "own" him in terms of his career. Thats probably why he likes his freedom, he doesnt want to be tied down because he's come from a part of the world where oppresion by people and insitutions with wealth to through away have bought peoples freedom and enslaved them.

He is a good man, with delicate principles, and he views the world from a different perspective, he ISNT a westerner...he's about as Eastern as the bounds of Modern Society flow...But Russians are strong, and they tune up to fight exceedingly well, lots of Eastern Europeans are trained because they still have Governments that impose whats called "National Sevice" Every Male in the country at one time or another has been active in their Military


Russia had exploded on the Captilisitic scene!

ITs only a select few but there are numerous Russian billionaires and copiuos millionaires and they are known to spend on all sorts of lavish gifts and material things so i disagree with what you are saying about Fedor's mindset.

My own thought was that now released from socialism, most Russians were all out for making the yankee dollar! But i don't know too much about it, but Roman Abramovich is one example that totally refutes what you are saying here.

Tyburn
03-01-2009, 10:07 PM
Russia had exploded on the Captilisitic scene!

ITs only a select few but there are numerous Russian billionaires and copiuos millionaires
How many of them have links to the Russian Mafia :ninja:

How many were already Noble Familes that have just exchanged one form of greed for another?

:huh:

it doesnt "Refute" anything. Communism DID create a social Elite that even through the iron curtain prospered in wealth. There is also a Mafia which has strong connections and wealth, and there are still Noblitiy in Russia, they have wealth.

I was under the Impression that Fedor didnt come from a Noble Background..

Jonlion
03-01-2009, 10:11 PM
How many of them have links to the Russian Mafia :ninja:

How many were already Noble Familes that have just exchanged one form of greed for another?

:huh:


Quite possibly many of them are but Roman Abramovich wasnt.

He was from poor stock, and made his own way up. i have no doubt at some point there was links with mafia and such but i dont see how that affects the issue. It still means that many and i was say most russians under 50 embrace and revel in capitalism now.

They have their big parties, its very glamourised.

But then as ever in Russia, its an elite select few, the rest are just normal. They are a strange breed the Russians.

I think there are different reasons for Fedor's independance or that may just be him and his thinking. I think it gets overcomplicated to predict his decisions on the political structure of Russia. Who knows!!!!!1 :frantics:

Tyburn
03-01-2009, 10:15 PM
I think there are different reasons for Fedor's independance or that may just be him and his thinking. I think it gets overcomplicated to predict his decisions on the political structure of Russia. Who knows!!!!!1 :frantics:

Well..I did say "I dont know how much of this Fedor buys into" but that IS the culture he was born into...His Mother it appears was a Teacher, his Father a labourer in construction.

He wasnt Nobility, and he is old enough to remember the Iron Curtain...I think Russia is opening up...but I just get a feeling that Fedor isnt driven by Capitalism...and the UFC most certainly are...ergo...they arent going to understand why Fedor...in essence, cant be bought :frantics:

I was right about the National Service aswell LOL...now it says he's actually Ukrainian...I worked with Sergy Corynak when I first worked in this Sandwhich Factory in Lincolnshire...He was so...gentle. Very strange because he was big heavy set guy, obviously clever, obviously strong...but he spoke quite softely and had the soft mannerisms...I've found a lot of people from the East to be like that...

..Until you ask them to say something in their own language. We had an Oriental work with us called "Chen" and he was sofetly spoken, excellent English but very quiet...I got him to say something in his native Malaysian language and he turned into a monster with sticato bellows...I was quite taken aback...he suddenly sounded like one of those guys you hear in a Vietnam war movie...then he stopped...and he was completely placid again...

Hughes_GOAT
03-01-2009, 11:44 PM
why do you all keep referring to Fedor as a "man?" he isn't human. the stories you hear of his youth and growing up poor.....it's all fabricated to hide the truth.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
03-02-2009, 10:21 PM
Maybe it don't matter how much the company pays him cause his Government will only allow him a certain amount?