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J.B.
07-11-2010, 11:32 PM
The New World Order has culminated in Miami and it seems like they have without a doubt set themselves up to be amongst the top of the heap for the next 6 years.

1. Do you guys think Wade led the Bulls along knowing all the while that he was recruiting a super-team in Miami?

2. Are you mad?

J.B.
07-11-2010, 11:39 PM
Oh yeah... I forgot to add...

this is the funniest video ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNVyvrgqVi8&feature=player_embedded

County Mike
07-12-2010, 11:01 AM
Do people still watch the NBA? Who are these people you speak of?

J.B.
07-12-2010, 01:52 PM
Do people still watch the NBA? Who are these people you speak of?

Fact: More people watch the NBA than MMA, Baseball, or Hockey.

County Mike
07-12-2010, 02:18 PM
More than baseball? That surprises me.

J.B.
07-12-2010, 02:35 PM
More than baseball? That surprises me.

Baseball is still huge here in America, but it's slipped in recent years and outside of the USA nobody cares, which is sad because I love Baseball. Right now, with the hype coming into next season and the potential dynasty in Miami, the NBA is poised to come back into the relevance it had during the 90's when Jordan and the Bulls were dominating.

The NBA is has been getting more steam again in America over the last few years, but it has actually become quite popular globally, especially with the rise in European players over the last 15 years. Even in China the league gets a ton of exposure from Yao Ming, and I mean a TON. Like upwards of 100 million people or some crazy number.

The fact that NBA discussion even seems relevant in sports news in Mid-July is a testament to just how much interest has spiked. Now, we can all sit back and watch the NBA screw it all up when they try to renegotiate the CBA with the Players Union next year and end up having another lockout. Because we all know the smartest thing to do when you are most popular is to just stop playing all together :laugh:

VCURamFan
07-12-2010, 04:09 PM
1) no
2) no
3) I hope Fisher leaves LA

J.B.
07-12-2010, 04:20 PM
3) I hope Fisher leaves LA

Kobe will probably see to it that doesn't happen.

J.B.
07-12-2010, 04:25 PM
Oh....this is TOO good not to post....

Jesse Jackson says that the Cavs view Lebron as a runaway slave...:rolleyes:


Jesse Jackson faults Cavs owner’s LeBron comments

CHICAGO (AP)—Jesse Jackson criticized Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert on Sunday, saying Gilbert sees LeBron James(notes) as a “runaway slave” and that the owner’s comments after the free-agent forward decided to join the Miami Heat put the player in danger.

Shortly after James announced his decision last week, Gilbert fired off an incendiary letter to Cleveland’s fans, ripping the 25-year-old and promising to deliver a title before James wins one. He called James’ decision “cowardly” and later told The Associated Press he believes James quit during a handful of Cavaliers playoff games.

“He has gotten a free pass,” Gilbert told the AP in a phone interview late Thursday night. “People have covered up for (James) for way too long. Tonight we saw who he really is.”

Jackson said Gilbert’s comments were “mean, arrogant and presumptuous.”

“He speaks as an owner of LeBron and not the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers,” the reverend said in a release from his Chicago-based civil rights group, the Rainbow PUSH Coalition. “His feelings of betrayal personify a slave master mentality. He sees LeBron as a runaway slave. This is an owner employee relationship—between business partners—and LeBron honored his contract.”

Messages were left Sunday night seeking comment from Gilbert, the Cavaliers and James.

Jackson also called Gilbert’s comments an attack on all NBA players and said the owner should face a “challenge” from the league and the players’ association.

NBA spokesman Tim Frank declined comment.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AsFJlMdRYpJsqruqkkuMZWm8vLYF?slug=ap-gilbert-jessejackson

VCURamFan
07-12-2010, 04:34 PM
Kobe will probably see to it that doesn't happen.
O I know, but I think it'd be awesome if they managed to steal if. That could be anywhere between a 12-20pnt swing in a Heat/Laker match-up (taking Fisher's 6-10 pnts from the Lakers & giving them to the Heat).
Oh....this is TOO good not to post....

Jesse Jackson says that the Cavs view Lebron as a runaway slave...:rolleyes:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AsFJlMdRYpJsqruqkkuMZWm8vLYF?slug=ap-gilbert-jessejackson
Hahahaha, yeah I saw this earlier today. JJ will do anything to stay "relevant", won't he! :laugh:

J.B.
07-12-2010, 04:40 PM
O I know, but I think it'd be awesome if they managed to steal if. That could be anywhere between a 12-20pnt swing in a Heat/Laker match-up (taking Fisher's 6-10 pnts from the Lakers & giving them to the Heat).

Hahahaha, yeah I saw this earlier today. JJ will do anything to stay "relevant", won't he! :laugh:

I think if the Lakers lose Fisher it would set them back a lot farther than some people think. Kobe isn't getting any younger, and he may be playing next season with a brace on his finger. Doctors said something like Kobe has such bad arthritis that his hands are like an 80 year old person.

Not sure if you heard today either, but the Suns dealt Leandro Barbosa to the Raptors for Hedo Tukroglu. It's not gonna be Stodemire down there, but it's better than Hakim Warrick. :laugh:

VCURamFan
07-12-2010, 04:44 PM
I think if the Lakers lose Fisher it would set them back a lot farther than some people think. Kobe isn't getting any younger, and he may be playing next season with a brace on his finger. Doctors said something like Kobe has such bad arthritis that his hands are like an 80 year old person.

Not sure if you heard today either, but the Suns dealt Leandro Barbosa to the Raptors for Hedo Tukroglu. It's not gonna be Stodemire down there, but it's better than Hakim Warrick. :laugh:
Hahahahahaha.

From the few details I've actually heard (most of my news is just headline based), the Lakers are only hoping to pay Derek $5mil this year (a pay cut) & he obviously believes he's worth more. Apparently DWade was txting him all day & LeBron met him at the airport.

J.B.
07-12-2010, 04:53 PM
Hahahahahaha.

From the few details I've actually heard (most of my news is just headline based), the Lakers are only hoping to pay Derek $5mil this year (a pay cut) & he obviously believes he's worth more. Apparently DWade was txting him all day & LeBron met him at the airport.

Yeah, the starting point guard on the Lakers for their last 5 championships and current President of the Players Association ain't gonna be taking a pay-cut, but it's hard to picture him leaving LA. I'm not sure what the Lakers cap situation is off hand, but I'm almost sure they can afford to pay him.

rearnakedchoke
07-12-2010, 07:26 PM
all three knew this was going to happen ... they each got a free bit of entertainment, food and their assess kissed, but all three were going to sign in miami .. but the cleveland owner is a moron ... say you are upset with the decison, wish lebron the best and leave it at that ... acting like a fool will probably deter others from coming to cleveland knowing your owner is a moron ...

VCURamFan
07-12-2010, 09:38 PM
OK, so wishfully thinking time is gone:

Derek Fisher (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=246) has decided to stay with the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal).
Credit Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=110) with the assist.


"I have decided to continue with Kobe, continue with our teammates and the fans of Los Angeles," Fisher said in a statement on his website. "While this may not be the most lucrative contract I've been offered this offseason, it is the most valuable. I am confident I will continue to lead this team on and off the court. Let the hunt for six begin."

The Lakers have won two straight titles and five in Fisher's tenure with the team. He gets a three-year deal to return, with a player option on the final year. Monetary terms were not immediately available.


The Lakers were waiting for the deal to be completed before announcing anything.


"Nothing is signed yet," Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said. "We're in continuous dialogue with [Fisher's] representative and we hope to announce something soon."


Fisher, 35, had been courted by the Miami Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia). He met with Miami president Pat Riley and owner Micky Arison at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in Miami on Saturday morning where the Heat told him it wanted him to be its starting point guard and to join LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966), Dwyane Wade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1987) and Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977).


"I took time to consider all my options, many not reported in the media," Fisher said. "I listened to every coach, every general manager, even potential teammates in order to make the right decision and I thank every one of them. At the end of the day, there's one person I could not turn away from.


"Kobe Bryant asked me to stay but supported whatever decision I made. He and I have played together for 11 seasons, came into the league together as kids, and has been loyal to me even when others had doubts. We have won five championships together."


The Lakers had been in constant contact with Fisher and his representative Rob Pelinka since the free-agent negotiating period opened on July 1, although negotiations had proceeded slowly but amicably.
Fisher averaged 7.5 points and 2.5 assists per game last season, but he stepped up with some big shots in the playoffs, especially against the Celtics in the NBA Finals.


Los Angeles lost free agent Jordan Farmar (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3002) to New Jersey on Monday, but signed Steve Blake (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1994) last week. Blake likely will share playing time with Fisher.

J.B.
07-12-2010, 09:41 PM
OK, so wishfully thinking time is gone:

I just heard that on the radio...

I called it :wink:

VCURamFan
07-12-2010, 09:43 PM
I just heard that on the radio...

I called it :wink:
Yeah. I knew it was a long shot, but anything that can take Kobe down a peg (unabashed hater here, btw), I'm all for!

Miss Foxy
07-12-2010, 09:43 PM
:punch:1) no
2) no
3) I hope Fisher leaves LA

Grrrrr!!!!

Miss Foxy
07-12-2010, 09:44 PM
I love you FISH!!! #2!!!

VCURamFan
07-12-2010, 09:48 PM
:punch:

Grrrrr!!!!
Hahahaha, Just wait 'til you read my last post! :laugh:


EDIT: 6,400 posts!! :happydancing:

Miss Foxy
07-12-2010, 10:02 PM
Yeah. I knew it was a long shot, but anything that can take Kobe down a peg (unabashed hater here, btw), I'm all for!

Oh no you didnt talk about BLACK MAMBA like that!?!! We lost Farmar, but oh well.. Sasha's my main man...:wink:

VCURamFan
07-12-2010, 10:19 PM
Oh no you didnt talk about BLACK MAMBA like that!?!! We lost Farmar, but oh well.. Sasha's my main man...:wink:
Sad thing is that when you said "Black Mamba", I started wondering why you thought I was talking smack about Danelle! :laugh:

J.B.
07-12-2010, 11:21 PM
Roger Mayweather was the real Black Mamba...They used to call him that because he used to beat so many Mexican fighters.

Anyways, I am loving all the basketball talk in July. This season is going to be the most interesting one in quite a while. People are actually starting to become more willing to root for Kobe and the Lakers because they want to see the evil empire in Miami be defeated. It really is good stuff.

Miss Foxy
07-12-2010, 11:22 PM
:stirthepot: Thats so you right now!! lolRoger Mayweather was the real Black Mamba...They used to call him that because he used to beat so many Mexican fighters.

Anyways, I am loving all the basketball talk in July. This season is going to be the most interesting one in quite a while. People are actually starting to become more willing to root for Kobe and the Lakers because they want to see the evil empire in Miami be defeated. It really is good stuff.

J.B.
07-12-2010, 11:26 PM
:stirthepot: Thats so you right now!! lol

:laugh:

I'm not making it up...they really did call Roger that :)

J.B.
07-13-2010, 02:21 AM
I just happened to come across this on another forum and I found it interesting.

Going back to Mike's inquisition about popularity of the NBA, these are the number of "Facebook Followers" for different sports...

NBA: 3,180,826
UFC: 2,269,450
Vancouver 2010 Olympics: 1,209,379
WWE: 757,845 (obviously not a real sport, but interesting nonetheless)
NASCAR: 702,701
NHL: 574,112
NFL: 508,906
WNBA: 283,779
Women's Tennis Association: 223,986
Penn State football: 170,737
English Premier League: 156,706
PGA Tour: 137,406
ATP tennis: 136,653
MLB: 105,495
NHRA drag racing: 91,650


I am actually not shocked to see UFC so high on the list, mainly because most of the fans of MMA have to get their content online, but the NBA still is still above them by almost 1 million people.

Also, it's only fair to point out that when talking about the major sports leagues, those are the numbers ONLY for the LEAGUE pages, those numbers do not reflect the number of people following each individual team. Heck, I don't follow the NBA on Facebook, but I do follow the Chicago Bulls and the Phoenix Suns, so it's safe to say the numbers would be higher for NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL.

VCURamFan
07-13-2010, 04:33 PM
The seemingly hard-to-picture prospect of Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=110) and old nemesis Raja Bell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=49) playing for the same team remains alive.

The longtime rivals will sit down for a face-to-face chat Wednesday in Los Angeles to further discuss the feasibility of the Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) signing Bell in free agency, sources close to the situation said.


Bell is traveling to Los Angeles this week to watch the ESPYs and has arranged to meet with Bryant to hear the Lakers' face of the franchise make yet another recruiting pitch to the 33-year-old swingman.
Bell acknowledged last week in a phone interview with ESPNLosAngeles.com's Dave McMenamin that he has already fielded several phone calls from Bryant, who was unforgettably clotheslined to the floor by Bell in Game 5 of a testy Suns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho)-Lakers series in 2006 that L.A. ultimately lost in seven games.

NBA front-office sources say that Bell continues to draw interest from a variety of playoff teams, such as Miami (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia), Dallas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal) and San Antonio (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sas). One source said signing with the Heat has essentially been ruled out because of Miami's financial constraints after signing LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966), Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977) and Mike Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=558) to flank the re-signed Dwyane Wade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1987) and Udonis Haslem (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2184). But the Suns are also weighing the prospect of trying to bring Bell back.

Bryant, though, has not abandoned his pursuit and continues to press Bell to join the Lakers, who have only $1.8 million of their mid-level exception left to offer Bell next season after signing Steve Blake (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1994).

One source close to the situation said memories of Bell's takedown, which earned him a suspension for Game 6 of the series -- the Suns, down 3-2, won the game at Staples Center without him -- are actually one reason why Bryant sees Bell as such an ideal teammate. The premise? Anyone with the gumption to hit Bryant that hard is someone he wants on his team.

The sentiments between them weren't so pleasant during the 2006 playoffs. After the hit, which earned Bell the nickname "Kobe Chopper," Bell publicly blasted Bryant as a "pompous, arrogant individual" who gets preferential treatment from the refs.

"It's a personal thing when someone continually hits you in the face," Bell said after Game 5.

Bryant then answered with a memorable rant during which he repeatedly referred to Bell, who is two years older, as some "kid."

"Does he know me?" Bryant said. "Do I know this guy? I don't know this guy. I might have said one word to this guy. I don't know this kid. I think he overreacts to stuff. ... I don't know this kid. I don't need to know this kid. I don't want to. We go out there, we play the game and leave it at that. Maybe he wasn't hugged enough as a kid. I look at him a little bit, he gets a little insecure or something. I don't know."

Four years later, Bryant and Bell know each other much better and have buried the animosity.

And the two-time defending champions still have an opening in their backcourt after signing Blake and Monday's re-signing of Derek Fisher (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=246), although sources say Shannon Brown (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2992) has not abandoned his interest in returning to the Lakers for next season's chase of a three-peat.

Bell played only six games last season because of a wrist injury. He began the season with the Charlotte Bobcats (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cha), then was dealt to the Golden State Warriors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw) in November as part of the Stephen Jackson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=378) trade. The Warriors released him in March, but Bell has been pursued by several playoff teams since free agency began July 1 now that he's recovered from December surgery.

Miss Foxy
07-13-2010, 04:43 PM
The seemingly hard-to-picture prospect of Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=110) and old nemesis Raja Bell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=49) playing for the same team remains alive.

The longtime rivals will sit down for a face-to-face chat Wednesday in Los Angeles to further discuss the feasibility of the Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) signing Bell in free agency, sources close to the situation said.


Bell is traveling to Los Angeles this week to watch the ESPYs and has arranged to meet with Bryant to hear the Lakers' face of the franchise make yet another recruiting pitch to the 33-year-old swingman.
Bell acknowledged last week in a phone interview with ESPNLosAngeles.com's Dave McMenamin that he has already fielded several phone calls from Bryant, who was unforgettably clotheslined to the floor by Bell in Game 5 of a testy Suns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho)-Lakers series in 2006 that L.A. ultimately lost in seven games.

NBA front-office sources say that Bell continues to draw interest from a variety of playoff teams, such as Miami (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia), Dallas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal) and San Antonio (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sas). One source said signing with the Heat has essentially been ruled out because of Miami's financial constraints after signing LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966), Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977) and Mike Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=558) to flank the re-signed Dwyane Wade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1987) and Udonis Haslem (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2184). But the Suns are also weighing the prospect of trying to bring Bell back.

Bryant, though, has not abandoned his pursuit and continues to press Bell to join the Lakers, who have only $1.8 million of their mid-level exception left to offer Bell next season after signing Steve Blake (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1994).

One source close to the situation said memories of Bell's takedown, which earned him a suspension for Game 6 of the series -- the Suns, down 3-2, won the game at Staples Center without him -- are actually one reason why Bryant sees Bell as such an ideal teammate. The premise? Anyone with the gumption to hit Bryant that hard is someone he wants on his team.

The sentiments between them weren't so pleasant during the 2006 playoffs. After the hit, which earned Bell the nickname "Kobe Chopper," Bell publicly blasted Bryant as a "pompous, arrogant individual" who gets preferential treatment from the refs.

"It's a personal thing when someone continually hits you in the face," Bell said after Game 5.

Bryant then answered with a memorable rant during which he repeatedly referred to Bell, who is two years older, as some "kid."

"Does he know me?" Bryant said. "Do I know this guy? I don't know this guy. I might have said one word to this guy. I don't know this kid. I think he overreacts to stuff. ... I don't know this kid. I don't need to know this kid. I don't want to. We go out there, we play the game and leave it at that. Maybe he wasn't hugged enough as a kid. I look at him a little bit, he gets a little insecure or something. I don't know."

Four years later, Bryant and Bell know each other much better and have buried the animosity.

And the two-time defending champions still have an opening in their backcourt after signing Blake and Monday's re-signing of Derek Fisher (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=246), although sources say Shannon Brown (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2992) has not abandoned his interest in returning to the Lakers for next season's chase of a three-peat.

Bell played only six games last season because of a wrist injury. He began the season with the Charlotte Bobcats (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cha), then was dealt to the Golden State Warriors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw) in November as part of the Stephen Jackson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=378) trade. The Warriors released him in March, but Bell has been pursued by several playoff teams since free agency began July 1 now that he's recovered from December surgery.Miss Foxy loves her some Shannon Brown!! I wear his jersey!!

County Mike
07-13-2010, 05:10 PM
Miss Foxy loves her some Shannon Brown!! I wear his jersey!!

So you're more than just a Matt Hughes stalker? Wild!

Miss Foxy
07-13-2010, 05:58 PM
So you're more than just a Matt Hughes stalker? Wild!

I stalk....Bj PENN, Amir Sadollah, Shannon Brown, Sasha Vujacic, Gina Carano, Russell Martin, AROD... and many more in the world of sports.. lol..:w00t:

VCURamFan
07-13-2010, 06:26 PM
I stalk....Bj PENN, Amir Sadollah, Shannon Brown, Sasha Vujacic, Gina Carano, Russell Martin, AROD... and many more in the world of sports.. lol..:w00t:
Ah, so you're well-diersified stalker! :laugh:

Miss Foxy
07-13-2010, 06:45 PM
Ah, so you're well-diersified stalker! :laugh:

Oh my I did not notice that till now!! Yes, got the Hawaiian, Irish/Iranian, Italian, Russian, and the list goes on and on!! I got good taste !!

J.B.
07-13-2010, 07:19 PM
Gina Carano

I should let Mike say it....:rolleyes:

:laugh:

VCURamFan
07-13-2010, 08:20 PM
I should let Mike say it....:rolleyes:

:laugh:
He's not around, so I'll take it:

PICS OR SHENS!! :happydancing:

VCURamFan
07-13-2010, 08:29 PM
Ilgauskas headed to Heat


MIAMI -- Zydrunas Ilgauskas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=362) is following LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) to the Miami Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia).

"Once LeBron signed there, LeBron started recruiting him," said Herb Rudoy, Ilgauskas' agent, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, which first reported the move.

The veteran center, who started playing for Cleveland (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cle) in 1997 and has never suited up for another NBA team, expects to sign a two-year contract with the Heat later this week, Rudoy said Tuesday. The two-year deal would come with a player option for the second season, Rudoy said.

"We've agreed to agree," Rudoy said.

The Heat had no immediate comment. They had talks about acquiring Ilgauskas when he was available this past season after being dealt in a three-team trade to Washington. The Wizards subsequently bought out his contract and made him a free agent.

Ilgauskas is the Cavs' career leader in games played, blocked shots and rebounds. The 7-foot-3 Lithuanian was drafted by the club in 1996 and overcame serious foot injuries that nearly ended his career.

He's just the latest name to join what shapes up as a serious title contender in Miami, joining not only James but Dwyane Wade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1987), Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977), Udonis Haslem (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2184) and Mike Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=558), who agreed to a deal late last week that remains unsigned.

"His best chance to win a championship would be in Miami," Rudoy said.
Ilgauskas told Cavs owner Dan Gilbert and general manager Chris Grant the news on Tuesday. James played a role in luring Ilgauskas to Miami, and other teams were interested as well.

Ilgauskas was immensely popular in Cleveland, and expects to keep a home in the city.

"It's hard," Rudoy said. "It's been 14 years. It was very hard for him. I know that. When he called Chris Grant and Dan Gilbert today, it was definitely a hard decision at this stage of his career. But he wants to win a championship. That's how he made this decision."

Playing as a reserve for the first time, Ilgauskas averaged 7.4 points and 5.4 rebounds last season. For his career, Ilgauskas has averaged 13.8 points and 7.7 rebounds, plus has played in two All-Star games.

J.B.
07-13-2010, 08:35 PM
He's not around, so I'll take it:

PICS OR SHENS!! :happydancing:

http://www.furyblog.com/pics/coolface1.jpg