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BamaGrits84
07-01-2010, 08:49 PM
from cnn.com:

(CNN) -- Dozens of affiliates of the American Civil Liberties Union have issued travel alerts for people heading to Arizona this Fourth of July holiday weekend -- the group's latest effort to condemn the state's new immigration law.

Arizona's measure stipulates that police can ask the residency status of people being investigated for a crime.

"Although the law is not scheduled to go into effect until July 29, the ACLU is concerned that some law enforcement officers are already beginning to act on provisions of the law," the ACLU said on its website.

"We hope the alerts provide people with some measure of protection from illegal harassment from law enforcement and inform them of their rights should they encounter it."

The travel alerts -- issued by ACLU affiliates from as far away as Alaska and New York -- inform people of their rights when stopped by law enforcement in Arizona, the ACLU said.

Critics say the new law will lead to racial profiling and prevent police from doing their jobs by undermining trust in the Latino community. City governments and organizations opposed to the law have targeted Arizona with protests and boycotts

But Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer and other state officials say the law is necessary because of the increasing number of people illegally entering the state from Mexico. In addition, Brewer has said the law does not target an individual's specific ethnicity.

"It wouldn't matter if you are Latino or Hispanic or Norwegian," she said last month. "If you didn't have proof of citizenship and the police officer had reasonable suspicion, he would ask and verify your citizenship. I mean, that's the way that it is. That's what the federal law says. And that's what the law in Arizona says."

In late May, a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that 57 percent of those surveyed favored Arizona's new law, while 37 percent opposed it.

The same poll also found that six in 10 respondents found that the federal government should focus on stopping the flow of illegal immigrants into the U.S., deporting those already here and supporting more border security.



Does anyone other than me think the ACLU is a joke?

The word civil is defined as "relating to what happens within a state or between different citizens or groups of citizens". Liberty is defined as "a political, social, and economic right that belongs to the citizens of a state or to all people". The ACLU's action makes a mockery of it's own name.

NateR
07-01-2010, 08:58 PM
from cnn.com:



Does anyone other than me think the ACLU is a joke?

The word civil is defined as "relating to what happens within a state or between different citizens or groups of citizens". Liberty is defined as "a political, social, and economic right that belongs to the citizens of a state or to all people". The ACLU's action makes a mockery of it's own name.

The only goal of the ACLU is to turn America into a socialist/communist nation. They have absolutely no interesting in "civil liberties" whatsoever.

CAVEMAN
07-01-2010, 09:15 PM
The only goal of the ACLU is to turn America into a socialist/communist nation. They have absolutely no interesting in "civil liberties" whatsoever.

That's right! The ACLU needs to change it's name to American Communist Leaders Union! If you do the background check on alot of the upper echelon, there are alot of communist and socialist ties. Kind of like some of our present czar's appointed by our president.

Bonnie
07-01-2010, 09:18 PM
They are being redonkulous! Besides saw on Greta the other night where they have youtube videos of Gov. Jan Brewer standing in front of just one of several signs the federal government has put up in Arizona warning citizens of the dangers along the border.

That's how crazy messed up our government is. They'll put up signs "warning" of the danger, but won't actually do anything to protect their citizens from the danger.

flo
07-01-2010, 09:46 PM
The only goal of the ACLU is to turn America into a socialist/communist nation. They have absolutely no interesting in "civil liberties" whatsoever.

I agree, they are an abomination. "Civil liberties", that's the joke. Why aren't they bringing a suit against the Obama justice department for their (non) handling of the Black Panther voting intimidation case?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/why_the_doj_lawyer_in_charge_o.html

Video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEOTQzdRwj0

I know it's long but it's incredibly important, voting is one of our most precious rights and the DoJ is evidently making it policy to ignore violations if the targets are white people. I haven't seen today's interview with the whistleblower but I'm sure it will be available on YouTube soon.

Sorry for straying off topic but if the ACLU was really intent on protecting the civil liberties of EVERYONE they would be all over this case.

flo
07-01-2010, 09:48 PM
They are being redonkulous! Besides saw on Greta the other night where they have youtube videos of Gov. Jan Brewer standing in front of just one of several signs the federal government has put up in Arizona warning citizens of the dangers along the border.

That's how crazy messed up our government is. They'll put up signs "warning" of the danger, but won't actually do anything to protect their citizens from the danger.

Bonnie, I saw that, I wanted to write her a letter of support! She's one feistly lady, I'm glad she has refused to be intimidated by the BO administration.

What did she say, that the signs were 80 miles away from the border? L.O.L.

J.B.
07-01-2010, 10:52 PM
J.B. is issuing a travel alert for Arizona too...

It was 105 degrees before 10am this morning and the 110 degree days are here to stay for the next 2 months.

I hear it's cool by the beach in San Diego, illegally immigrate there. California won't mind, they got lots of money. :laugh:

Bonnie
07-02-2010, 12:02 AM
Bonnie, I saw that, I wanted to write her a letter of support! She's one feistly lady, I'm glad she has refused to be intimidated by the BO administration.

What did she say, that the signs were 80 miles away from the border? L.O.L.

Yeah, I think it was 80. :rolleyes: Maybe they're planning on moving the border line, or maybe the sign guy was afraid to get that close to the border. :laugh:

J.B.
07-02-2010, 04:19 AM
Yeah, I think it was 80. :rolleyes: Maybe they're planning on moving the border line, or maybe the sign guy was afraid to get that close to the border. :laugh:

They put them where traffic is concentrated. You gotta remember that it's all mountains and desert down there, and there aren't very many roads to use. The BP covers every major road and knows every pathway, hidden or otherwise. A lot of major checkpoints are offset as well and when you are coming back from Mexico you might not hit a checkpoint until you have gotten 20 miles up the road.

Neezar
07-02-2010, 05:10 AM
Do you know how often I have to show my driver's license? And then sometimes my birth certificate because I am required by law to provide proof that I am who I say I am. Why is no one shouting outrage for me? :angry:

flo
07-02-2010, 05:15 AM
Do you know how often I have to show my driver's license? And then sometimes my birth certificate because I am required by law to provide proof that I am who I say I am. Why is no one shouting outrage for me? :angry:

Listen, ppls, DON'T CARD THE NEEZ!

:wink: :laugh:

But seriously, I couldn't agree more, what's with all the fuss over showing ID? I'm all for a nat'l ID card - which would also cut down on voting fraud, BTW.

Bonnie
07-02-2010, 05:18 AM
Do you know how often I have to show my driver's license? And then sometimes my birth certificate because I am required by law to provide proof that I am who I say I am. Why is no one shouting outrage for me? :angry:

Move to Arizona, lose those documents, and for pete's sakes, lose the English! :tongue0011:

:laugh:

flo
07-02-2010, 05:22 AM
Move to Arizona, lose those documents, and for pete's sakes, lose the English! :tongue0011:

:laugh:
Bonnie, LMAO!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

BamaGrits84
07-02-2010, 01:02 PM
Do you know how often I have to show my driver's license? And then sometimes my birth certificate because I am required by law to provide proof that I am who I say I am. Why is no one shouting outrage for me? :angry:

Me too! My stupid bank thinks I need to prove who I am to get my money out. My dang doctor of 15 years wants me to prove who I am before they will file on my insurance. My stupid employer wants 2 forms of ID before they'd hire me. My college wants an ID for me to even enter the computer lab or take a test. Dang it! I'm sick of us being discriminated against! I say we march on Washington. :frantics:

Tyburn
07-02-2010, 07:16 PM
from cnn.com:



Does anyone other than me think the ACLU is a joke?

The word civil is defined as "relating to what happens within a state or between different citizens or groups of citizens". Liberty is defined as "a political, social, and economic right that belongs to the citizens of a state or to all people". The ACLU's action makes a mockery of it's own name.

They seem to be acting like some kind of Union...Will they advise the Citizenry to boycott, and to Strike, against going on Holiday to Arizona or something :laugh:

Its petty isnt it...really, and truely, very petty...but at least we know where they stand on the divide I suppose. What Arizona have done seems to be known and spoken about all over the place, so its not like they've uncovered some secret revelation...the State was quite open and vocal about these new immigrations laws...no :huh:

Tyburn
07-02-2010, 07:26 PM
Me too! My stupid bank thinks I need to prove who I am to get my money out. My dang doctor of 15 years wants me to prove who I am before they will file on my insurance. My stupid employer wants 2 forms of ID before they'd hire me. My college wants an ID for me to even enter the computer lab or take a test. Dang it! I'm sick of us being discriminated against! I say we march on Washington. :frantics:

I shall never take Travellers Cheques to America again....see...apparently its a safe way to carry large sums of money, so thats what I did during ADT1, and half way through the trip I of course ran out of cash and needed to release the monies from the cheques.

I was told I could take the cheques into any bank, and the banks would give me the money.

Would they Heck :laugh:

So me and Nathan went to the banks in Hillsboro, and they asked me silly questions like..."do you have an account with us" :blink: Do I sound American to you :huh: Of course I bloody well dont bank with...I forget the name of the bank...but I dont bank with them because I dont live in America.

Sooo...we returned crushed. When Matt Hughes came round, Nathan told him...so he ordered me back into the car, and said he was going to go and sort the cheques out.

They started by asking the same stupid questions again. No, strangely enough in the hour I had been away I hadnt opened an account with an American Bank :laugh:...They seemed to say they could only get the money released if they paid it into my non-existant account, and then I withdrew it :blink:

...But then Matt Hughes offered to be a Gaurentour. Basically, they could release the money right away so long as someone else with a US Bank account, could vouch that the money was legal Tender...then they didnt even need to deposit it in the Gaurentours account...they could just pay it out...but the Gaurentour was of course then legally obliged one presumes to cover, should the money be false :unsure-1:

So...Matt Hughes aggreed...and that meant the Cheques had to be signed by me, and then passed over and signed by Matt Hughes as Gaurentour. That was strange...my signiture and his on the same legal document.

It worked though :w00t: I got my money...and because I'm not a criminal, he didnt get into any trouble :laugh:

J.B.
07-02-2010, 09:02 PM
I shall never take Travellers Cheques to America again....see...apparently its a safe way to carry large sums of money, so thats what I did during ADT1, and half way through the trip I of course ran out of cash and needed to release the monies from the cheques.

I was told I could take the cheques into any bank, and the banks would give me the money.

Would they Heck :laugh:

So me and Nathan went to the banks in Hillsboro, and they asked me silly questions like..."do you have an account with us" :blink: Do I sound American to you :huh: Of course I bloody well dont bank with...I forget the name of the bank...but I dont bank with them because I dont live in America.

Sooo...we returned crushed. When Matt Hughes came round, Nathan told him...so he ordered me back into the car, and said he was going to go and sort the cheques out.

They started by asking the same stupid questions again. No, strangely enough in the hour I had been away I hadnt opened an account with an American Bank :laugh:...They seemed to say they could only get the money released if they paid it into my non-existant account, and then I withdrew it :blink:

...But then Matt Hughes offered to be a Gaurentour. Basically, they could release the money right away so long as someone else with a US Bank account, could vouch that the money was legal Tender...then they didnt even need to deposit it in the Gaurentours account...they could just pay it out...but the Gaurentour was of course then legally obliged one presumes to cover, should the money be false :unsure-1:

So...Matt Hughes aggreed...and that meant the Cheques had to be signed by me, and then passed over and signed by Matt Hughes as Gaurentour. That was strange...my signiture and his on the same legal document.

It worked though :w00t: I got my money...and because I'm not a criminal, he didnt get into any trouble :laugh:

:laugh:

I love you Dave, but that's everyday stuff to us here. :laugh:

I can tell you enough stories about banks to write 3 books...:rolleyes:

Tyburn
07-02-2010, 09:26 PM
:laugh:

I love you Dave, but that's everyday stuff to us here. :laugh:

I can tell you enough stories about banks to write 3 books...:rolleyes:

oh...I dont have that trouble with my banks over here :blink:

J.B.
07-02-2010, 09:39 PM
oh...I dont have that trouble with my banks over here :blink:

"Over there" and "over here" are as different as night and day my friend...:laugh:

Buzzard
07-03-2010, 12:11 AM
Do you know how often I have to show my driver's license? And then sometimes my birth certificate because I am required by law to provide proof that I am who I say I am. Why is no one shouting outrage for me? :angry:

No I don't, please elaborate.:) Besides applying for a job or passport, when do you have to show your birth-certificate?

I've been through quite a few DUI checkpoints as a passenger and never have I been required to show any identification. Usually the only time I get asked for ID is when purchasing something with my credit card, and that's generally because I have "Please check ID" in the signature part.

Neezar
07-03-2010, 12:28 AM
No I don't, please elaborate.:) Besides applying for a job or passport, when do you have to show your birth-certificate?

I've been through quite a few DUI checkpoints as a passenger and never have I been required to show any identification. Usually the only time I get asked for ID is when purchasing something with my credit card, and that's generally because I have "Please check ID" in the signature part.

Well every time I came back from Mexico I had to show my drivers license AND birth certificate (they now require a passport).
When I got married.
My kids to sign up for sports (proof of age)
Sign my kids up for school
Sign my kids up for insurance




ID

Pulled over by the police.
Making purchases on my department store credit card.
When I show up for a doctor's appointment.
When filling out a credit card or loan application.
When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport.
When applying for any kind of insurance.
When filling out college applications.
When donating blood.
When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
When making some debit purchases.
When checking into a hotel.When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.


And the list goes on and on.....

J.B.
07-03-2010, 06:10 AM
Well every time I came back from Mexico I had to show my drivers license AND birth certificate (they now require a passport).
When I got married.
My kids to sign up for sports (proof of age)
Sign my kids up for school
Sign my kids up for insurance




ID

Pulled over by the police.
Making purchases on my department store credit card.
When I show up for a doctor's appointment.
When filling out a credit card or loan application.
When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport.
When applying for any kind of insurance.
When filling out college applications.
When donating blood.
When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
When making some debit purchases.
When checking into a hotel.When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.


And the list goes on and on.....

In a lot of border towns you only needed a license or ID up to a couple years ago. I used to go to Algodones Mexico all the time and walk right back over the border with just my drivers license and a 30 second Q&A about my time spent in Mexico that day. In 2007, I remember they started posting signs that a passport was going to be required the following year and I haven't been back down there since then.

Neezar
07-03-2010, 10:58 AM
In a lot of border towns you only needed a license or ID up to a couple years ago. I used to go to Algodones Mexico all the time and walk right back over the border with just my drivers license and a 30 second Q&A about my time spent in Mexico that day. In 2007, I remember they started posting signs that a passport was going to be required the following year and I haven't been back down there since then.

Just like gun laws they seem to make it harder for the law abiding citizens but do nothing towards the original focus or problem.

Tyburn
07-03-2010, 11:51 AM
"Over there" and "over here" are as different as night and day my friend...:laugh:

yeah...I laughed when the guy I was sitting with on the plane to the US in ADT2 had to fill in a visa...I was like "if your going home to America...why do you need a Visa...presumably your a citizen??" he said yes...but they still made him fill out the same form they made me fill out LMAO

Buzzard
07-04-2010, 06:46 PM
Well every time I came back from Mexico I had to show my drivers license AND birth certificate (they now require a passport).
When I got married.
My kids to sign up for sports (proof of age)
Sign my kids up for school
Sign my kids up for insurance




ID

Pulled over by the police.
Making purchases on my department store credit card.
When I show up for a doctor's appointment.
When filling out a credit card or loan application.
When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport.
When applying for any kind of insurance.
When filling out college applications.
When donating blood.
When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
When making some debit purchases.
When checking into a hotel.When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.


And the list goes on and on.....

I've never had to show my birth-certificate in any of those instances. The only recent times I've had to show my birth-certificate was when applying for a U.S. Customs Seal and a passport.

Tyburn
07-04-2010, 10:22 PM
I've never had to show my birth-certificate in any of those instances. The only recent times I've had to show my birth-certificate was when applying for a U.S. Customs Seal and a passport.

:laugh: I didnt know Buzzards Migrated! I swear I havent like seen you since that cold snap early this year...did you fly to warmer climes, and now come back for the summer or something :huh:

Neezar
07-05-2010, 01:40 PM
I've never had to show my birth-certificate in any of those instances. The only recent times I've had to show my birth-certificate was when applying for a U.S. Customs Seal and a passport.

But you are not married and you don't have kids. So.....:laugh: