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J.B.
06-04-2010, 09:50 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing Miguel Cotto back in the ring this weekend and I suspect he will be able to get back to his winning ways after running into beatings at the hands of Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito.

Yuri Foreman definitely has the size advantage, but he is completely untested against competition that is anywhere near the likes of Miguel Cotto, and I have my doubts about Foreman being able to handle Cotto's power for 12 rounds.

My prediction. It's a steamrolling by Cotto, and the fight is over in the 7th round.

Of course when I make predictions that are that specific I always end up being wrong, so we'll see! :laugh:

Thoughts? Predictions?

rockdawg21
06-04-2010, 10:12 PM
Foreman had his chin tested a little in the fight with Daniel Santos who is a huge middleweight (he cut 20 pounds to make weight on that night!). However, Cotto is a freaking beast and will test it more times in 3 rounds than Santos did in 12. Cotto will struggle to get inside early but a few hard body shots will be just enough to slow Foreman and allow Cotto to start brutalizing his body then peppering the face.

Cotto KO by round 6.

I like Yuri a lot and he'll bounce back strong after this defeat.

rockdawg21
06-04-2010, 11:45 PM
Cotto: 153.5
Foreman: 154

I think you'll see an extremely energetic and brutal Cotto at 153.5. He probably cut less than 5 pounds to make this fight.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20100604/i/r2061467570.jpghttp://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100604/capt.7a175f595c2448fab75855e0e1e2a19c-7a175f595c2448fab75855e0e1e2a19c-0.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20100604/i/r1471990403.jpghttp://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100604/capt.da0208b2fa824085a1d93c670b2a06c8-da0208b2fa824085a1d93c670b2a06c8-0.jpg

J.B.
06-04-2010, 11:48 PM
Foreman had his chin tested a little in the fight with Daniel Santos who is a huge middleweight (he cut 20 pounds to make weight on that night!). However, Cotto is a freaking beast and will test it more times in 3 rounds than Santos did in 12. Cotto will struggle to get inside early but a few hard body shots will be just enough to slow Foreman and allow Cotto to start brutalizing his body then peppering the face.

Cotto KO by round 6.

I like Yuri a lot and he'll bounce back strong after this defeat.

Look at you! Trying to one up me by one round! :laugh: jk bro :)

I'm not sure what Santos gave Foreman is anywhere near the "testing" that Miguel Cotto is gonna put on that chin tomorrow night! :laugh:

rockdawg21
06-05-2010, 02:30 AM
Look at you! Trying to one up me by one round! :laugh: jk bro :)

I'm not sure what Santos gave Foreman is anywhere near the "testing" that Miguel Cotto is gonna put on that chin tomorrow night! :laugh:
LOL, that was the goal ;) I almost thought about saying Cotto in 5 but I think Yuri is going to be able to keep Cotto away for the first 2 rounds. Yuri won't be able to deal with the punishment.

The difference is Santos probably has more power than Cotto, but Cotto is FAR more aggressive and has tons more speed than Santos.

J.B.
06-05-2010, 11:38 AM
The difference is Santos probably has more power than Cotto, but Cotto is FAR more aggressive and has tons more speed than Santos.

Santos is legit, but Foreman ain't never been hit like we know Cotto can bring it. It's do or die for Miguel, a loss now would basically ruin him. He is gonna steamroll Yuri, and probably hurt him bad in my opinion. (though I hope we don't see that)

rockdawg21
06-05-2010, 02:58 PM
Santos is legit, but Foreman ain't never been hit like we know Cotto can bring it. It's do or die for Miguel, a loss now would basically ruin him. He is gonna steamroll Yuri, and probably hurt him bad in my opinion. (though I hope we don't see that)
Agreed 100%.

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 12:51 AM
I don't have HBO, so I found some streams:

These 2 are linking to the same stream, and they're already working:
http://tropangpinoy-tv.blogspot.com/2010/06/cotto-vs-foreman-live-stream.html
http://www.clickdavao.com/onlinetv/boxing_cotto_foreman.php

Here's others that claim to be working later:
http://www.firesport.net/2010/05/boxing-ufc-wwe-ppv-live.html
http://powcast.blogspot.com/

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 01:13 AM
James Moore vs. Pawel Wolak starting now.

Good fight, but I'll go with Wolak on this one.

flo
06-06-2010, 01:15 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing Miguel Cotto back in the ring this weekend and I suspect he will be able to get back to his winning ways after running into beatings at the hands of Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito.

Yuri Foreman definitely has the size advantage, but he is completely untested against competition that is anywhere near the likes of Miguel Cotto, and I have my doubts about Foreman being able to handle Cotto's power for 12 rounds.

My prediction. It's a steamrolling by Cotto, and the fight is over in the 7th round.

Of course when I make predictions that are that specific I always end up being wrong, so we'll see! :laugh:

Thoughts? Predictions?

Well, I know next to nothing about the fight but I did see Yuri interviewed by Greta van Susteren yesterday and he seems like a great guy. He is also studying to become a rabbi!!

So I guess I'll have to root for him. :)

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 01:16 AM
Well, I know next to nothing about the fight but I did see Yuri interviewed by Greta van Susteren yesterday and he seems like a great guy. He is also studying to become a rabbi!!

So I guess I'll have to root for him. :)
Yeah, he's a great guy. I'd like to see him get a victory as this is his first big test against a future HOFamer. I just really don't see it happening.

flo
06-06-2010, 01:17 AM
And I see it's on HBO. :sad:

Hopefully, one of you guys will give an update here...

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 01:34 AM
And I see it's on HBO. :sad:

Hopefully, one of you guys will give an update here...
Guess you missed this post:

:ninja:

I don't have HBO, so I found some streams:

These 2 are linking to the same stream, and they're already working:
http://tropangpinoy-tv.blogspot.com/2010/06/cotto-vs-foreman-live-stream.html
http://www.clickdavao.com/onlinetv/boxing_cotto_foreman.php

Here's others that claim to be working later:
http://www.firesport.net/2010/05/boxing-ufc-wwe-ppv-live.html
http://powcast.blogspot.com/

J.B.
06-06-2010, 01:57 AM
Just got tuned in now, saw about 3 minutes of Wolak vs Moore

flo
06-06-2010, 02:06 AM
Guess you missed this post:

:ninja:

Oops. :ashamed:

Thanks for reposting them, rockdawg. I was going to check out justin tv but since I had trouble with it last time I'll go with your links.

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 02:34 AM
This one is working right now in ENGLISH:

http://www.unlitv.net/2010/06/watch-stadium-slugfest-livestreaming_06.html

J.B.
06-06-2010, 02:51 AM
C'mon Mean Greene!!! :punch:

Your getting shut out buddy! :wacko:

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 03:01 AM
C'mon Mean Greene!!! :punch:

Your getting shut out buddy! :wacko:

Doin' better now, but Martirosyan's too far ahead in this one. 3 rounds left.

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 03:04 AM
Oooh, nasty cut on Greene's right eye and he was closing it. May see a KO here!

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 03:16 AM
Martirosyan took that one easy.

Alright, time for Cotto/Foreman, woohoo! :punch:

J.B.
06-06-2010, 03:18 AM
Greene just got outclassed. He should have adjusted and stopped trying to counter while he was back-stepping on a taller guy, which is exactly what Roy Jones pointed out since round 3 or 4. He'll be back.

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 03:36 AM
Yeah, he definitely would have benefited by using a lot more side stepping if he wanted to throw the counter. Nonetheless, losing only makes one stronger (usually).

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 03:44 AM
Damn, Foreman looked totally outclassed in all aspects of that first round.

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 03:49 AM
Pretty much what I've figured so far. Cotto's getting a few shots, just enough to make a difference and win the round. He's fighting really smart, it's only a matter of time before he really hurts Foreman.

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 03:56 AM
Nice to see Foreman fighting back hard. We may be wrong with our predictions JB!

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 04:07 AM
Bummer. Foreman just went down with a bad knee and didn't take the 5 minutes. Cotto's going for the kill now.

J.B.
06-06-2010, 04:14 AM
I was almost right!

I thought Miguel was gonna end it in the 7th, and I was surprised Yuri even came out for the 8th.

Now they are saying he's gonna keep fighting after the towel got thrown in...this is silly...:laugh:

Kudos to Yuri...tough SOB

J.B.
06-06-2010, 04:20 AM
Sucks for Yuri to go out like that, but he was getting tooled anyway. Miguel could have opened up and put him away whenever he wanted to.

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 01:43 PM
Sucks, the power went out with 5 seconds left in the 7th round. I didn't get to finish the fight. Searching this morning for a torrent download, I found out who won instead of being able to view it (of course, it was obvious what was going to happen). Foreman has heart, I can't believe he survived the length of 2 rounds!

J.B.
06-06-2010, 03:35 PM
Sucks, the power went out with 5 seconds left in the 7th round. I didn't get to finish the fight. Searching this morning for a torrent download, I found out who won instead of being able to view it (of course, it was obvious what was going to happen). Foreman has heart, I can't believe he survived the length of 2 rounds!

Well it really looked like Cotto was gonna finish him in the 7th. It seemed like he just stuck to that game-plan Emmanuel gave him and didn't start throwing wild shots, even though it was quite evident that if Miguel opened up on Yuri it was gonna be over pretty quick.

I was surprised Foreman came out in the 8th, and it was obvious his corner wanted to stop the fight. Then about a minute and a half into the 8th, you just see a towel come flying in outta nowhere and actually hit Cotto. There was some confusion as to who actually threw the towel, but it was confirmed that it was Yuri's trainer, Joe Grier, who did in fact lob the towel. Cotto put his hands up in victory, and Foreman went to his corner and the ring filled up with people.

Then, outta nowhere it seemed, Arthur Mecante, the referee, started clearing the ring and saying the fight wasn't over. You could hear him tell Yuri to "suck it up kid" or "suck it up champ", and that really seemed odd because not only did everybody already think the fight was over, but it really seemed like the fight should have been called by that point anyway.

Foreman made it less than a minute into round 9 and the fight was stopped after Cotto landed a solid left hook to the body while Yuri was on the ropes that sent Foreman down to the canvas. I'm not sure that the shot would have buckled Yuri if his leg wasn't injured, but regardless, it was the final nail in the coffin.

Of course, it didn't take Ronnie Nathanielsz very long to drop a headline saying that Manny Pacquiao would consider a rematch with Cotto as a Plan-B. I found this quote to be odd though...


Pacquiao who watched the fight intently said he thought it was “a very good fight” even as Koncz indicated that Pacquiao “thought it was a draw and a very close fight until Foreman got injured.”

Really? a draw? :laugh:

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 05:21 PM
Well it really looked like Cotto was gonna finish him in the 7th. It seemed like he just stuck to that game-plan Emmanuel gave him and didn't start throwing wild shots, even though it was quite evident that if Miguel opened up on Yuri it was gonna be over pretty quick.

I was surprised Foreman came out in the 8th, and it was obvious his corner wanted to stop the fight. Then about a minute and a half into the 8th, you just see a towel come flying in outta nowhere and actually hit Cotto. There was some confusion as to who actually threw the towel, but it was confirmed that it was Yuri's trainer, Joe Grier, who did in fact lob the towel. Cotto put his hands up in victory, and Foreman went to his corner and the ring filled up with people.

Then, outta nowhere it seemed, Arthur Mecante, the referee, started clearing the ring and saying the fight wasn't over. You could hear him tell Yuri to "suck it up kid" or "suck it up champ", and that really seemed odd because not only did everybody already think the fight was over, but it really seemed like the fight should have been called by that point anyway.

Foreman made it less than a minute into round 9 and the fight was stopped after Cotto landed a solid left hook to the body while Yuri was on the ropes that sent Foreman down to the canvas. I'm not sure that the shot would have buckled Yuri if his leg wasn't injured, but regardless, it was the final nail in the coffin.

Of course, it didn't take Ronnie Nathanielsz very long to drop a headline saying that Manny Pacquiao would consider a rematch with Cotto as a Plan-B. I found this quote to be odd though...



Really? a draw? :laugh:
LOL, thanks a lot for your effort to type the play-by-play. I managed to catch the rest of the fight on YouTube this morning.

Yeah, Ronnie has his head up Manny's ass 99% of the time. Most of what he has to say is just stupid. Cotto is probably more like Plan C as A is Floyd and B is probably Marquez (would love Pac to KO him just so he would shut up about the previous fights).

J.B.
06-06-2010, 05:33 PM
LOL, thanks a lot for your effort to type the play-by-play. I managed to catch the rest of the fight on YouTube this morning.

Yeah, Ronnie has his head up Manny's ass 99% of the time. Most of what he has to say is just stupid. Cotto is probably more like Plan C as A is Floyd and B is probably Marquez (would love Pac to KO him just so he would shut up about the previous fights).

I thought I remember the Pacquiao camp saying that another fight with Marquez was out of the question, but I could be mistaken. Marquez missed the boat on moving up in weight, and the Maweather fight was basically a monetary gift for him, he knows he can't get up into the 140's and be effective at this stage against elite guys like Floyd or Manny.

If the Mayweather fight doesn't happen, I could see Manny looking to snag that 8th title in a rematch with Cotto.

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 05:49 PM
I thought I remember the Pacquiao camp saying that another fight with Marquez was out of the question, but I could be mistaken. Marquez missed the boat on moving up in weight, and the Maweather fight was basically a monetary gift for him, he knows he can't get up into the 140's and be effective at this stage against elite guys like Floyd or Manny.

If the Mayweather fight doesn't happen, I could see Manny looking to snag that 8th title in a rematch with Cotto.
Yeah, Pac's camp has said that, but they go back & forth, probably mostly just to shake the negotiations with Floyd. Pac has said multiple times that it's over. However, there are a lot of Pac's fans who do want him to silence Marquez. Pac may have lost the striking battle in their last fight (that fight was at super featherweight and he already said before the fight it was his last time because he's struggling to cut), but he won't be tired from cutting weight if they meet at 140. Pac would steamroll Marquez at 140 IMO.

I also forgot Margarito is in the equation, but that's only if he can get licensed in the U.S.

J.B.
06-06-2010, 06:20 PM
Yeah, Pac's camp has said that, but they go back & forth, probably mostly just to shake the negotiations with Floyd. Pac has said multiple times that it's over. However, there are a lot of Pac's fans who do want him to silence Marquez. Pac may have lost the striking battle in their last fight (that fight was at super featherweight and he already said before the fight it was his last time because he's struggling to cut), but he won't be tired from cutting weight if they meet at 140. Pac would steamroll Marquez at 140 IMO.

I also forgot Margarito is in the equation, but that's only if he can get licensed in the U.S.

Of course they go back and forth, it's crazy, lol. That's basically why everything that you hear needs double and triple checking, and also thought that comes from outside the box when discussing things that fighters like Floyd and Manny say. Just like with that interview where Floyd said he may take time off, if anybody really buys into that at face value they are nuts. The only way that is true is if negotiations with Pacquiao have fallen thorough, or there is some serious personal issue we don't know about yet. Otherwise, it's just talk that is meant to divert away from that line of questioning at the time.

I agree that Pac would steamroll Marquez at 140, and Marquez would take the payday in a heartbeat, but Pac would suffer some criticism for the timing of that decision, especially if he somehow lost the fight. Marquez is pretty much spent, and if he manages to beat Juan Diaz in their rematch, I think he will run into another brick wall if he goes after Amir Khan or Tim Bradley. Marquez waited to long to try and move up in weight, and even then he was only 143. Everybody crapped on Mayweather for weighing 146 against JMM, but the fight was sanctioned by the commission at 147. The little "pay-per-pound weight clause" was something added by the Maweather side in eleventh hour of negotiations in lieu of making the fight a catchweight fight on paper, because Floyd made it clear to GBP and JMM that he was fighting at 147 when they first offered the him fight after coming off his layoff. Why drop back down after almost 5 years for a fight you know you are likely going to dominate anyway? In Pac's case it would be, why drop back down at all to fight a guy who you've already beaten twice? A third Marquez fight would definitely draw well, but so would the Cotto rematch, and just about any fight with Pac's name on it at this point. Also, Bob Arum would much rather keep the money in-house by negotiating a Cotto re-match than having to work with GBP any more than he has too, in my opinion.

rockdawg21
06-06-2010, 07:26 PM
Yeah, that's a good point. Arum would make so much cash in that fight, and it would be very easy to make. My personal opinion is that plan B should be to go after Cotto and go for the 8th world title. Cotto would be tougher to beat at the heavier weight class. I still think Pac would take him, but not as easily.

I really could care less about Marquez and Pac, except that I'm tired of all the idiots on the message boards (and Marquez) claiming that Marquez won the first 2 fights.