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Tyburn
06-04-2010, 07:43 PM
:blink: My Mothers Father has a Brother...he lives in Seascale in Cumbria! He's unhurt, thank GOD...others were not so lucky :unsure-1:

Twelve people were confirmed dead and three were fighting for their lives last night after a taxi driver went on the rampage in the UK's worst shooting incident since the Dunblane massacre.

Derrick Bird, 52, shot dead his twin brother and at least one colleague before driving through rural west Cumbria firing seemingly at random at people in towns, villages and on country roads and then killing himself.

Eleven people were injured, three critically, during the three-and-a-half hour shooting spree which paralysed the county as police, hunting him on the ground and by air, ordered a lockdown.

Cumbria police said they might never completely uncover the reason for what they described as the "most exceptional and challenging incident" the small force had ever dealt with. Last night, they were examining 30 crime scenes.

The alarm was raised in the harbour town of Whitehaven at 10.30am. By then, it is believed, Bird's twin brother, David, and the family solicitor, Kevin Commons, were already dead. It ended only when the gunman's body was found in a copse outside the hamlet of Boot at 1.40pm.

Two guns were recovered by police, a .22 rifle with a telescopic sight and a shotgun.

There were unconfirmed reports that Bird, from Rowrah, near Frizington, who was divorced with two sons and was newly a grandfather, had argued with colleagues on the taxi rank the previous night.

One friend, Peter Leder, told CNN Bird had said to him: "You won't see me again."

According to one woman in Whitehaven, Bird "shook them [his colleagues] by the hands one by one and said there's going to be a rampage in this town tomorrow and it's going to start with my mother ... They just laughed and didn't take him seriously."

Others spoke of a reported family row over the will of Bird's seriously ill mother, involving Commons. Commons's home was last night cordoned off by police, and letters from his law firm were visible on a windowsill of Bird's home.

It is thought that after killing his brother and Commons, Bird headed to Whitehaven and shot a fellow taxi driver named locally as Darren Rewcastle. Witnesses said Bird then drove through the town with a gun hanging out of his car window. Police released a map showing Bird's progress south to Egremont, Gosforth and Seascale, where the killings continued.

One witness, Barrie Moss, said he was cycling through Egremont when he came face to face with the killer, who had just got out of his car. Bird, carrying "this absolutely huge sniper rifle", stared at him before driving away, Moss said. He then saw that an older woman carrying bags of shopping had been shot. Moss described how he and another man cradled the woman as she died: "He must have seen her, stopped, got out and shot her point blank in the back of the head. I don't think anybody could have done anything."

Further south, in Seascale, another witness, John Reeves, said he was loading his car when he heard two gunshots and ran out of his house. "As I turned the corner there was this poor chap on a bike and he had been shot, he was turned to the wall and this car had sped off. A few of us tried to help this poor man, but he was gone."

A police lockdown of the area as the shootings progressed saw shops, offices and even the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing plant close their doors. Helicopters and armed officers from other police forces were brought in to help in the hunt. Cumbria's deputy chief constable, Stuart Hyde, said police had yet to establish whether it was a premeditated or random attack. "This has shocked the people of Cumbria and around the country to the core," he said.

It was a "terrifying and horrific incident", he said. "Our thoughts go out to all the family and friends and colleagues of those killed or injured in this tragedy."

The Queen said she was "deeply shocked by the appalling news" and expressed sympathy to those affected.

David Cameron pledged to assist communities "shattered" by the killings. "The government will do everything it possibly can to help the local community and those affected," he told MPs.

The home secretary, Theresa May, said the events were "very serious and tragic". "Our thoughts are with the families and friends of the victims of these shootings. "It's a terrible incident that has taken place in Cumbria today, but I would like to pay tribute to the way in which the police and emergency services have worked very closely together to deal with this incident. It is the third tragedy to hit west Cumbria in six months, following the devastating floods last year and the deaths of three people, including two schoolchildren, in a coach crash on the A66 last week."

Many among the injured were taken to West Cumberland hospital in Whitehaven, where a major incident was declared and routine operations cancelled, and to hospitals in Carlisle and Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

Bird's spree is the biggest mass shooting since Thomas Hamilton killed 16 children and an adult at Dunblane primary school in March 1996, before killing himself.

The area's MP, Jamie Reed, said: "Things like this don't happen around here." Visibly shaken, he added: "What is happening is completely beyond our experience."

Tyburn
06-04-2010, 07:49 PM
Before anyone asks...the guy was a legal gun carrier...he had a permit. This is not some strange criminal...he was legally allowed the guns he used in this attack.

Bonnie
06-04-2010, 07:59 PM
I always wonder why they just don't kill themselves (first) if they're so miserably unhappy. But of course they get some insane kick out of knowing they're making others suffer before they take the coward's way out.

Terrible!

Tyburn
06-04-2010, 08:05 PM
I always wonder why they just don't kill themselves (first) if they're so miserably unhappy. But of course they get some insane kick out of knowing they're making others suffer before they take the coward's way out.

Terrible!

Well the first few shootings are explained, he had a grudge with his family, and other co workers, so he killed them...but then he seemed to drive aimlessly...he drove through a crowded town...ignored everyone...then shot the driver of a car...he went down a lane, ignored pedestrians...but shot a kid who was strimming a hedge...(My Sister kinda knows the guy who was shot strimming a hedge, coz he was friends of her friends, he used to play rugby in some minor league I think)

Apparently, Bernard and Muriel were in town that morning, but retired indoors 15 mins before the gunman went through their town....These people, a lot of them are what you would refer to as "Seniors" we call them Elderly, or Old Aged Pensioners...the area is in one of Englands national parks known as the Lake District, so its rural, and small close knit elderly communities...this will be a real shock to a lot of them, who probably felt they knew him well, I imagine some of advanced age might die of shock or fright in the coming month over this.

I feel so dreadful for them :sad:

J.B.
06-04-2010, 10:59 PM
Terrible situation indeed. :sad:

Happy to hear your Great Uncle is unharmed, Dave. Prayers to all those affected by this tragedy.

Tyburn
06-05-2010, 11:37 AM
Terrible situation indeed. :sad:

Happy to hear your Great Uncle is unharmed, Dave. Prayers to all those affected by this tragedy.

He is fine yes :)

He's quite special to me, because he shares so many of the traits my Beloved GrandFather had. He too is a Logician (my Mothers Paternal Side is made up of Natural Scientists and Mathematicians!) ...and he has the best and most dry sense of humour ever. He is of course most advanced in age now, and I havent seen him in yonks, but I did phone Mother the second I saw the name of the town on the news, because I knew he lived there...The Clipsham Family tree is quite vast , I think our particular lineage is almost completely dead now...but the recent ancestry was based in Norfolk, not to far from a Village called "Clipsham" which used to have a stately hall at one time. so the marriage of Clipsham and Duff actually connects two vast and very well favoured familes..

unfortunately, as far as our branch of the tree is concerned, both names are about to die out. such a shame...I think Bernard only has Daughters...and I am the only male in my house with the ability to procreate left :laugh: (I'd have to bear several sons if I really wanted to ensure the family name...and hope they bear males also :unsure-1: its just not going to happen :sad: )

Play The Man
01-02-2013, 09:47 PM
I'm glad England has strict gun laws. Mass shootings could never happen there.

VCURamFan
01-02-2013, 10:02 PM
I'm glad England has strict gun laws. Mass shootings could never happen there.
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Bonnie
01-03-2013, 03:05 AM
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I'm glad England has strict gun laws. Mass shootings could never happen there.

Were you browsing the tombs and just happened upon this? :laugh:

I didn't remember this thread...good find. :)

NateR
01-03-2013, 04:19 AM
I'm glad England has strict gun laws. Mass shootings could never happen there.

Yeah, England has been a crime-free paradise ever since they banned guns. :Whistle:

flo
01-03-2013, 05:00 AM
PTM's new interest in kitchen accessories...

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flo
01-03-2013, 05:03 AM
On a related note, a friend of mine posted this link the other day. I found it to be the best thing I've read about the whole gun debate. It's long but well worth the time, for anyone interested.

Larry Correia on gun control (http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/)

Tyburn
01-03-2013, 04:17 PM
I never said that we didnt have gun crime....but its been a while since anyone killed more then ten people in a shooting spree in this country...let alone children in a school.

I've discovered a country with almost no firearms restrictions period...Thailand...Where firearm murder gives you only two years in prison :blink:

We had a guy in his twenties, out having a new years eve party, caught in crossfire of some local dissagreement...aparently everyone gets their guns out all the time across their...in the same manner as we might give one the finger...they point a gun...anyway, he was killed.

I guess I should scrub that from my holiday list :laugh:

Bonnie
01-03-2013, 05:52 PM
On a related note, a friend of mine posted this link the other day. I found it to be the best thing I've read about the whole gun debate. It's long but well worth the time, for anyone interested.

Larry Correia on gun control (http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/)

Excellent read, Flo, thanks for posting the link. It is long, but very informative, definitely well worth taking the time to read. He covers a lot and makes it simple to understand. He convinced me why it's a good idea to train our teachers and allow them to conceal and carry in our schools.

Bonnie
01-03-2013, 06:47 PM
I never said that we didnt have gun crime....but its been a while since anyone killed more then ten people in a shooting spree in this country...let alone children in a school.

I've discovered a country with almost no firearms restrictions period...Thailand...Where firearm murder gives you only two years in prison :blink:

We had a guy in his twenties, out having a new years eve party, caught in crossfire of some local dissagreement...aparently everyone gets their guns out all the time across their...in the same manner as we might give one the finger...they point a gun...anyway, he was killed.

I guess I should scrub that from my holiday list :laugh:

In the link Flo posted, England is mentioned, as well as Australia and South Africa, all countries with gun bans:

So then we’ve got England, where they reacted swiftly after a mass shooting, banned and confiscated guns, and their violent crime has since skyrocketed. Their stats are far worse than Australia, and they are now one of the more dangerous countries to live in the EU. Once again, cursory Google search will show articles with the stats, and other articles saying that those rises like totally have nothing to do with regular folks no longer being able to defend themselves… Sensing a trend yet?

flo
01-03-2013, 09:54 PM
On an unrelated note, PTM, I think I found a pic of you online:
http://saptstrength.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/stir-the-pot.jpg

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Excellent read, Flo, thanks for posting the link. It is long, but very informative, definitely well worth taking the time to read. He covers a lot and makes it simple to understand. He convinced me why it's a good idea to train our teachers and allow them to conceal and carry in our schools.

Thanks, Bon. I took the time to read it as well and was glad I did. It makes a lot of sense and is based on his experience, NOT emotion or political ideology.

Bonnie
01-03-2013, 11:37 PM
Thanks, Bon. I took the time to read it as well and was glad I did. It makes a lot of sense and is based on his experience, NOT emotion or political ideology.

I was just watching Bret Baier's show and Tucker Carlson said he talked with a high-up Republican last night who said Republicans (not sure how many) are prepared to vote on a gun ban. Unfortunately I think politics and not careful reasoning is driving this train. Like the author states, banning and confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens does nothing to keep them out of the hands of criminals. :wink:

Neezar
01-05-2013, 07:44 PM
Excellent read, Flo, thanks for posting the link. It is long, but very informative, definitely well worth taking the time to read. He covers a lot and makes it simple to understand. He convinced me why it's a good idea to train our teachers and allow them to conceal and carry in our schools.

I am not comfortable with that idea. I work with teachers (:ninja:). I am all for having an armed police officer in each school.

(Can you imagine teachers with pms and dealing with kids all day?! :huh: And then they have a gun! :huh:) :laugh: No way!

We had a professor go on a shooting spree at the university here in our city because she didn't get her tenure. :unsure-1:

Bonnie
01-06-2013, 08:29 AM
I am not comfortable with that idea. I work with teachers (:ninja:). I am all for having an armed police officer in each school.

(Can you imagine teachers with pms and dealing with kids all day?! :huh: And then they have a gun! :huh:) :laugh: No way!

We had a professor go on a shooting spree at the university here in our city because she didn't get her tenure. :unsure-1:

My first choice is to have experienced armed police/security in schools, but if that's not possible, then the teachers/staff are the first line of defense for these kids, "speed bumps" as the author calls them.

Remembering all those little faces, I wish those women at Newtown had been armed and able to shoot him first.

Tyburn
01-06-2013, 08:56 AM
(Can you imagine teachers with pms and dealing with kids all day?! :huh: And then they have a gun! :huh:) :laugh: No way!



:laugh::laugh:

On that line of logic, you could say exactly the same about any parent with Children. First time obedience anyone :huh::laugh:

mindue...also on the line I think you would have to ban industrial compactors...we have one at work...and my goodness, the temptation to remove a manager or two... :ninja::laugh: I used to work with all the waste, and it was always the more...stringent...managers who dealt with that area, obviously on the basis of the cost of losses and all that....Just a small push at the most inopportune moment...:laugh:

Thing is...you cant conceal carry an industrial compactor since they are about the size of a small truck...its not a method you could kill someone 1) by accident, 2) in a blind rage. I get that you can use almost anything as a weapon to kill someone with...but guns and knives do seem to be the most easy...and the most transportable...if its available in a moment where you are blind with rage, wouldnt it be too...well tempting I suppose?

I think it makes Suicide too easy also, when people, maybe only for a short time, are not in their right mind....In England, killing yourself isnt as easy as you might think...people tend to throw themselves infront of tube trains...Shooting yourself might be quick and painless presumably...but hanging yourself...well...that might actually be something you cant do on the spur of the moment....having said that, you'd then have to ban all painkillers...coz thats how people do it over here...they overdose on medication and just hope they dont wake up. The time it takes to plan and get the resources can be life saving if people come to their sences...the time it takes to shoot yourself with a gun you already own doesnt allow for that.

Neezar
01-07-2013, 05:29 PM
:laugh::laugh:

....Just a small push at the most inopportune moment...:laugh:

lol

I think it makes Suicide too easy also, when people, maybe only for a short time, are not in their right mind....In England, killing yourself isnt as easy as you might think...people tend to throw themselves infront of tube trains...Shooting yourself might be quick and painless presumably...but hanging yourself...well...that might actually be something you cant do on the spur of the moment....having said that, you'd then have to ban all painkillers...coz thats how people do it over here...they overdose on medication and just hope they dont wake up. The time it takes to plan and get the resources can be life saving if people come to their sences...the time it takes to shoot yourself with a gun you already own doesnt allow for that.

Why could you not hang yourself at the spur of the moment? :unsure-1:

We had 3+ suicides by hanging in the past six months. And that is only the ones that came in on my shift. (Although one may have been an accident.:mellow:)

And speaking of pain killers, more people died in the US in 2010 from prescription drugs than they did from traffic accidents.

Tyburn
01-07-2013, 05:57 PM
1) Why could you not hang yourself at the spur of the moment? :unsure-1:

2) We had 3+ suicides by hanging in the past six months. And that is only the ones that came in on my shift. (Although one may have been an accident.:mellow:)

3) And speaking of pain killers, more people died in the US in 2010 from prescription drugs than they did from traffic accidents.

1) Well, because it would take more planning, wouldnt it :huh: I mean, you have to get the rope, you have to find something high enough which you can reach that will support your full weight...and you have to get the drop right or else its not such a pretty way to go....that doesnt seem like something you'd be able to do without thinking....whereas reaching into your pocket, and pulling out a firearm seems a little bit more simple....I dont know...perhaps I'm wrong with that :unsure-1:

2) thats horrible :sad: ...I presume the accident was death by missadventure :mellow:

3) I'm talking about non-perscription drugs...in England, they have more control over medication...you cant "ask" for a drug...you have to fit a criteria to the doctors thinking for them to release it...soooo in England its usually non-perscription drugs...I think that people feel its a less painful way to go...but I'm not sure thats true...just coz it looks peaceful doesnt mean it feels that way from the inside...I mean, people in coma look peaceful, but often they are like trapped in a sleep they want to wake up from but cant :blink: