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Vizion
02-23-2009, 09:01 PM
This is a video I wanted to post about the history of the NATION of Israel (i.e, the land of Israel). Watch it, all of it, and then tell me that the Israeli's are not God's people. http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

Vizion
02-26-2009, 01:49 PM
I'm bumping this thread up - no comments people?! 17 views??!?!?!

Watch the video people, it's IN DEPTH!

Chuck
02-27-2009, 01:37 PM
I watched it and thought it was interesting. I personally don't know enough about the Middle East to know if it's completely accurate or not. But it looked like it to me.

NateR
02-27-2009, 02:17 PM
Excellent video so far, but I haven't had a chance to watch all of it.

Some very important points from your video that EVERYONE needs to know:

1. There was no such thing as a "Palestinian State" or "Palestinian People" prior to 1948, it all belonged to the Turks as part of the Ottoman Empire from 1553-1922 (although I've read that the Ottoman Empire might have started as early as 1301).

2. Jews have lived in "Palestine" continuously for the past 3700 years and they have been the majority population in Jerusalem since the 1800s.

3. The "Palestinians" didn't want the land until the Jews turned it from a barren wasteland into fertile farm ground. Then they just suddenly remembered that it belonged to them all along.:rolleyes:

4. A vast majority of the "Palestinian" land was given to the Arabs. The Jews only got 1/6th of 1%. However, the Arabs hatred of the Jews was so strong that even that was too much for them. This conflict is not about the Arabs taking back what it rightfully theirs, it's about exterminating the nation of Israel and wiping the Jews off the planet.

5. Many of the 6 million Jews, exterminated by the Nazis, could have been saved if other countries had just accepted the Jewish refugees. This includes America.

I had family members, on my father's side, who tried to escape the Nazis; but were turned back at Ellis Island, New York, only to be killed off in Auschwitz. It was America's isolationist mentality that allowed the Nazis to get as powerful as they did. Which is why I supported the Iraq War. Many people said it wasn't any of our business. However, when hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered by an evil dictator, then it becomes our business. Otherwise, we're just as guilty as the people doing the actual killing.

rearnakedchoke
02-27-2009, 02:30 PM
Excellent video so far, but I haven't had a chance to watch all of it.

Some very important points from your video that EVERYONE needs to know:

1. There was no such thing as a "Palestinian State" or "Palestinian People" prior to 1948, it all belonged to the Turks as part of the Ottoman Empire from 1553-1922 (although I've read that the Ottoman Empire might have started as early as 1301).

2. Jews have lived in "Palestine" continuously for the past 3700 years and they have been the majority population in Jerusalem since the 1800s.

3. The "Palestinians" didn't want the land until the Jews turned it from a barren wasteland into fertile farm ground. Then they just suddenly remembered that it belonged to them all along.:rolleyes:

4. A vast majority of the "Palestinian" land was given to the Arabs. The Jews only got 1/6th of 1%. However, the Arabs hatred of the Jews was so strong that even that was too much for them. This conflict is not about the Arabs taking back what it rightfully theirs, it's about exterminating the nation of Israel and wiping the Jews off the planet.

5. Many of the 6 million Jews, exterminated by the Nazis, could have been saved if other countries had just accepted the Jewish refugees. This includes America.

I had family members, on my father's side, who tried to escape the Nazis; but were turned back at Ellis Island, New York, only to be killed off in Auschwitz. It was America's isolationist mentality that allowed the Nazis to get as powerful as they did. Which is why I supported the Iraq War. Many people said it wasn't any of our business. However, when hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered by an evil dictator, then it becomes our business. Otherwise, we're just as guilty as the people doing the actual killing.


IMO this has been going on for years and will continue until they can live in peace .. unfortunatley, that will never happen as palestinians don't recognize Israel ... which is sad, because Jerusalem is the central city for three religions, and as much as I would love to go their, i don't think it would be safe to chance it ..

I think both sides have made mistakes, and none of them are innocent in my books ... you can make a case for either side depending on which side you want to make look good, but Palestinians aren't doing themselves any favours ..

As for American's fighting the Iraq war .. i agree and disagree .. if that were the case there are plenty of other areas where genocide is going on .. so why Iraq .. and i know American's can't be the "police", but two wars in iraq and very little elsewhere .. seems to me, they fight wars in which they think there is a benefit to them ..

Crisco
02-27-2009, 02:43 PM
I heard a disheartening statement from someone I know about Israel supplying the south african government with weapons during the apartheid?


If it's true I guess it's no different then what our country does all over the world but still.. I hold them in a high regard so it kind of sucks if it's true.

NateR
02-27-2009, 04:02 PM
IMO this has been going on for years and will continue until they can live in peace .. unfortunatley, that will never happen as palestinians don't recognize Israel ... which is sad, because Jerusalem is the central city for three religions, and as much as I would love to go their, i don't think it would be safe to chance it ..

I think both sides have made mistakes, and none of them are innocent in my books ... you can make a case for either side depending on which side you want to make look good, but Palestinians aren't doing themselves any favours ..

As for American's fighting the Iraq war .. i agree and disagree .. if that were the case there are plenty of other areas where genocide is going on .. so why Iraq .. and i know American's can't be the "police", but two wars in iraq and very little elsewhere .. seems to me, they fight wars in which they think there is a benefit to them ..

Well, even with terrorist attacks factored in, Jerusalem is still safer to visit than New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, or St. Louis.

While it's true that Israel is not perfect, the mistakes they have made are in in no way proportional to what the Palestinian terrorists have done. For instance, the war last year was instigated by over 3000 unprovoked rocket attacks into Israeli homes by Hamas.

Israel gives the Palestinians free speech, the right to vote, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, and equal rights for women. They wouldn't receive any of that under Muslim rule; so who are the real war criminals here? It's definitely not Israel, they are victims: surrounded by enemies with their backs against the ocean. I don't blame them for doing whatever it takes to survive under those circumstances.

NateR
02-27-2009, 04:04 PM
I heard a disheartening statement from someone I know about Israel supplying the south african government with weapons during the apartheid?


If it's true I guess it's no different then what our country does all over the world but still.. I hold them in a high regard so it kind of sucks if it's true.

Satan is the father of lies and he has hated Israel from the very beginning. So that bit of information is either a lie or a half-truth twisted to make Israel look like a racist nation. Either way, it's irrelevant.

Tyburn
03-01-2009, 01:18 AM
1)I had family members, on my father's side, who tried to escape the Nazis; but were turned back at Ellis Island, New York, only to be killed off in Auschwitz.

2) It was America's isolationist mentality that allowed the Nazis to get as powerful as they did.

3)Which is why I supported the Iraq War. Many people said it wasn't any of our business. However, when hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered by an evil dictator, then it becomes our business. Otherwise, we're just as guilty as the people doing the actual killing.

1) I didnt know the Jews were turned away from the U.S
2) Yes it was
3) and why you should support the United Nations, but you dont. Isolationist is one extreme, but unilateral international moves are the opposite end of the scale, you need to be in the middle. BTW...why do you think America and Britian formed the United Nations anyway and established international law over old Europe? it was to stop people like Hitler, and Single Countries just doing what they want. The United Nations is part of YOUR heratage that you dont like anymore because it restricts you to the same level as others...which is exactly what you designed it to do :laugh:

NateR
03-01-2009, 01:29 AM
1) I didnt know the Jews were turned away from the U.S
2) Yes it was
3) and why you should support the United Nations, but you dont. Isolationist is one extreme, but unilateral international moves are the opposite end of the scale, you need to be in the middle. BTW...why do you think America and Britian formed the United Nations anyway and established international law over old Europe? it was to stop people like Hitler, and Single Countries just doing what they want. The United Nations is part of YOUR heratage that you dont like anymore because it restricts you to the same level as others...which is exactly what you designed it to do :laugh:

1. Yes, thousands were refused entry into the United States before we entered the war. Some boats were sent back to Germany, other dropped their refugees off in other countries. That's why my dad was born in Mexico, a small portion of his side of the family was dropped off in Mexico, the rest were sent back to Germany to die in the death camps.

2. I agree with you agreeing with me. :tongue0011:

3. My biggest problem with the UN is that equal voice is given to countries that are run by dictators with no concept of human rights.

Tyburn
03-01-2009, 01:43 AM
1. Yes, thousands were refused entry into the United States before we entered the war. Some boats were sent back to Germany, other dropped their refugees off in other countries. That's why my dad was born in Mexico, a small portion of his side of the family was dropped off in Mexico, the rest were sent back to Germany to die in the death camps.

2. I agree with you agreeing with me. :tongue0011:

3. My biggest problem with the UN is that equal voice is given to countries that are run by dictators with no concept of human rights.
1) I didnt know that. Thats so very sad...I cant believe they sent the boats back to Germany :cry: At least some of your family survived, or else we would never have been blessed with you, and what you've done for everyone online here these past few years :unsure-1:

2) of course you do :rolleyes:

3) they dont all have an equal voice. Those on the Security Council have a bigger voice then those who are not. Your Country is on the Security Council, along with most of the Original Allied Forces...unfortunatley, that also means you have the Eurovision of France, and the Communisim of Russia...but then perhaps thats motivation for a ballenced a true perspective that takes into account the Global position of things. As for the Dictators...well yes they are represented...but unless your a member of the security council as a lone voice you have bearly a chance of even being heard...you have two options...shut up/keep shouting...or break international law...thus you force the UN to reject you all-together. (unless your on the Security Council...which the United States is...then you can break the law and get away with it :laugh: ) besides, the United Nations has the power to endorse unilateral moves AFTER they have been done. When Two countries that were Security Council Members acted without the authority of the United Nations...there was little that could be done to stop them...and when they were successful, the rest of the UN later endorsed the moves...except for France...but like I said...its a lone voice...with France...it usually is anyway...fancy having all these countries in the same council...some of the most feirce enemies are on the same council and forced to coorperate :laugh:

China, with the biggest population on Earth is a permanent Member, and to the Left. Russia as an Allied Force of Second World War is also a Member, unfortunatley its communist and had a later was with the United States, which is also a Member as an Allied Force, (even if they did come in late) and they are the Host Nation, for the Right, along with England which is Centrist/Right...and the Eurovision Group...France due to the increadbile Resistance...sort of..LOL These States have permanent membership of the council and a Veto. There are always Ten lower classed Countries that have like one or two year terms on the Council...at present we have Berkino Faso, Costa Rica, Croatia, and Libya, they are in their last year of office, and Austria, Japan, Mexico, turkey, Uganda and Vietnam have just replaced a bunch which finished last year. These guys wont hold Veto powers though I dont think...thats reserved for the permanent members only, its kinda a token gesture to make those other countries feel...well as important as the Five Permanent Members. They get there by Ellection of the United Nations General Assembly, they stand for two years, and every month one of the leaders chairs the Council...thats about as close to world dominance as it gets. LOL the dictator gets to spend a month chairing meetings about topics that effect his country, and he doesnt have a veto to stop the Council Five...your right Nathan..thats cruel LOL BTW...when I say "leader" I actually dont mean like the leader of the country...we're talking a diplomatic ambassidor, outside of some kinda terrible event. Even when George Bush went before the United Nations in 2003...he would have done so to place the case of his Country, which would have been sat listening to Him speak aswell, a Rep from the U.S would have been in the audience at his desk with a little plaque reading "United States of America" infront of him. So...its not like the leaders themselves are present at these meetings for the most part

Edit: Forgive me...its a Woman. Your main Representative for The United States of America to the United Nations is Abassidor Susan E Rice :)



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