PDA

View Full Version : SEIU thugs trespass, police do nothing


flo
05-20-2010, 04:56 PM
14 buses of union "protesters" arrived at a Bank of America attorney's home, assembled on his property and shouted talking points from the man's front porch. The lawyer, Greg Baer, wasn't there when SEIU arrived and surrounded his house - they ended up terrorizing his son who locked himself in the bathroom. Police didn't break up the illegal trespass saying it would "incite" the crowd.

Here is the article by Nina Easton, who lives a few doors down and witnessed it firsthand:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/19/news/companies/SEIU_Bank_of_America_protest.fortune/index.htm

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/floranista/seiu-MOB.jpg

Scroll down this article for video and to read SEIU's attack on Ms. Easton for reporting it:

http://biggovernment.com/libertychick/2010/05/20/seiu-storms-private-residence-terrorizes-teenage-son-of-bank-of-america-exec/

I think we've turned a new corner in America.

flo
05-20-2010, 11:47 PM
C'mon guys, doesn't anybody have a comment? This made fire shoot out of my eyes!

I think if it was my house I'd ask Matt's buddy to bring his shotgun over and clear the crowd out....

flo
05-20-2010, 11:48 PM
Oh well, at least now it doesn't have a big goose egg next to it in the sidebar. :laugh::laugh:

TexasRN
05-21-2010, 12:02 AM
Oh well, at least now it doesn't have a big goose egg next to it in the sidebar. :laugh::laugh:


:laugh: Don't feel bad. I have threads that people ignore all the time!

That kind of thing wouln't happen in TX because they'd get shot. And people here in NC just wouldn't get fired up enough to go protest at someone's house like that. It would take planning, and organizing, and driving, and staying there instead of going to Bojangles....:rolleyes:


~Amy

flo
05-21-2010, 12:07 AM
:laugh: Don't feel bad. I have threads that people ignore all the time!

That kind of thing wouln't happen in TX because they'd get shot. And people here in NC just wouldn't get fired up enough to go protest at someone's house like that. It would take planning, and organizing, and driving, and staying there instead of going to Bojangles....:rolleyes:


~Amy

:laugh: Thanks, Amy, ok I won't take my thread flops to heart...

NateR
05-21-2010, 12:10 AM
C'mon guys, doesn't anybody have a comment? This made fire shoot out of my eyes!

I think if it was my house I'd ask Matt's buddy to bring his shotgun over and clear the crowd out....

This is one of those situations that makes me so angry that I have nothing to say. Another example of how the Liberal agenda is to terrorize and destroy America and American values.

Chuck
05-21-2010, 12:59 AM
14 buses of union "protesters" arrived at a Bank of America attorney's home, assembled on his property and shouted talking points from the man's front porch. The lawyer, Greg Baer, wasn't there when SEIU arrived and surrounded his house - they ended up terrorizing his son who locked himself in the bathroom. Police didn't break up the illegal trespass saying it would "incite" the crowd.

Here is the article by Nina Easton, who lives a few doors down and witnessed it firsthand:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/19/news/companies/SEIU_Bank_of_America_protest.fortune/index.htm

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/floranista/seiu-MOB.jpg

Scroll down this article for video and to read SEIU's attack on Ms. Easton for reporting it:

http://biggovernment.com/libertychick/2010/05/20/seiu-storms-private-residence-terrorizes-teenage-son-of-bank-of-america-exec/

I think we've turned a new corner in America.

That's ridiculous!!!

Spiritwalker
05-21-2010, 03:08 AM
2 ways of thinking about this.. IMO...

1. I meet them at the door with my guns in hand... "get the F out of here". fire a few shots in the air.. the cops come.. and HAVE to break it up..

2. Call the cops... and when they don't show.. I join the lawsuit hungry losers of this country and sue the city for failing to protect my home.. only after I have either shot them.. or scared them away from my property...

and maybe having called the media.. 1. to protect me.. and two.. for recorded evidence..

logrus
05-21-2010, 04:26 AM
This is one of those situations that makes me so angry that I have nothing to say. Another example of how the Liberal agenda is to terrorize and destroy America and American values.

Aren't you glad you served your time for these morons, I know I m not.

NateR
05-21-2010, 01:02 PM
Aren't you glad you served your time for these morons, I know I m not.

Well, I didn't join the military to protect this. I joined to help protect American citizens' right to peacefully assemble. What these people are doing is criminal and NOT protected by the Constitution.

Bonnie
05-23-2010, 05:43 AM
The reporter called it, they are a mob that obviously believes the end justifies the means. They need a bully beatdown. :punch:

NateR
05-23-2010, 05:51 AM
If the lawyer had been home, he could have picked off a few of them with a rifle from one of those second story windows. They would have gotten the message and dispersed soon after that.

But then, of course, the media would have spun the story in an entirely new direction because, GOD forbid, someone actually protects their family and property from degenerate criminals like these SEIU scum.

Chuck
05-23-2010, 11:58 AM
If the lawyer had been home, he could have picked off a few of them with a rifle from one of those second story windows. They would have gotten the message and dispersed soon after that.

But then, of course, the media would have spun the story in an entirely new direction because, GOD forbid, someone actually protects their family and property from degenerate criminals like these SEIU scum.

That's true.. if the lawyer was home he could of done that.... but it would have been murder and hardly justified or defensible in a court of law.

So I guess it's a good thing he wasn't home!! :D

adamt
05-23-2010, 01:17 PM
man, some guys have all the luck, wish that would happen to me....

Bonnie
05-23-2010, 03:23 PM
That's true.. if the lawyer was home he could of done that.... but it would have been murder and hardly justified or defensible in a court of law.

So I guess it's a good thing he wasn't home!! :D

If he had been home, he would have had both children with him in the house which is bad enough. As it was, his older child was alone in the house and terrified. He had to make the tough decision to leave the younger child alone in a parked car while attempting to get to his other son who was being terrorized by these people. And it's apparent by now to him, I'm sure, the police are not going to intervene and offer any protection to him or his sons so he's on his own. He didn't know what else these idiots might do, how far they might take things.

These thugs trespassed onto his property, what, for a kumbayah moment....NOT! Their intent was clear, to intimidate and threaten this man and his family. When later interviewed by the reporter about this incident, the head honcho pretty much confirmed it and "justified" their actions.

I'm glad no one was shot or killed here, but if these people keep doing this to families, it's probably just a matter of time. I think children would be a compelling factor to justifiable homicide.

NateR
05-23-2010, 03:36 PM
That's true.. if the lawyer was home he could of done that.... but it would have been murder and hardly justified or defensible in a court of law.

So I guess it's a good thing he wasn't home!! :D

They were trespassers on private property with violent intent, thus it's not murder; but justifiable self-defense.

Silverback
05-23-2010, 04:01 PM
They were trespassers on private property with violent intent, thus it's not murder; but justifiable self-defense.

I agree with that Nate, but what would have happen if he took the old garden hose out and started to water the lawn, and everyone standing on it?:punch::punch::punch:

Chuck
05-23-2010, 04:03 PM
They were trespassers on private property with violent intent, thus it's not murder; but justifiable self-defense.

That certainly sounds logical... but not lawful. The intent wasn't violent.. it was far from peaceful that's for sure.. but not violent.

But even if they were trespassing with violent intent... you can't shoot them.... well... you could.... but it'd still be murder.


I'm not disagreeing with the desire to shoot them... I would have that very same desire in that situation.. I was merely pointing out that to do so, you would be breaking the law. :wink:

NateR
05-23-2010, 04:11 PM
I was merely pointing out that to do so, you would be breaking the law. :wink:

He's a lawyer, he'd find a loophole. :laugh:

Anyways, the way it SHOULD work, is that ANYONE trespassing on your private property, who shows ANY form of hostile intent, is taking their life into their own hands. The owner of the property should be fully justified in killing them and law enforcement should have absolutely no say in the matter.

Blade
05-23-2010, 05:01 PM
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad65/elarasophia/release-the-hounds.jpg

Buzzard
05-23-2010, 06:05 PM
In order for them to be trespassing, they would have to have been asked by the owners to leave unless there was a visible sign stating "No Trespassing."

Not saying that what they did was right, but the actions some on here said they would take is more criminal than what actually happened.

Play The Man
05-25-2010, 01:39 AM
http://bigjournalism.com/acary/2010/05/21/d-c-metro-police-escorted-seiu-protesters-to-greg-baers-home/

The family of Greg Baer, Bank of America executive, is located in a jurisdiction protected by the Montgomery County Police Department (MCPD), which responded promptly to a disturbance call from his neighborhood last weekend.

According to Corporal Dan Friz, an MCPD spokesperson in Rockville, Maryland, the department received a disturbance call from one of Baer’s neighbors at 4:10 pm last Sunday. Four MCPD units arrived at Baer’s Greenville Rd. address at 4:15 pm. At least two Metropolitan Police Department units from the nearby District of Columbia were already at the scene when they arrived.

Why? Because police cars attached to the Washington MPD’s Civil Disturbance Unit had escorted the SEIU protesters’ buses to Baer’s home. Such cross-jurisdictional escort activity is not uncommon for both departments according to Friz and Metro Police Department spokesperson Officer Eric Frost. Still, the District police did not inform their colleagues of what was about to happen in one of their Maryland neighborhoods.

The Maryland officers reported there were approximately 500 protesters on and near the front lawn of Baer’s house. Montgomery County was not given a “heads-up” concerning the planned protest. Although a protest permit is technically required in Montgomery County, in practice no citation is issued if the protestors disperse when requested to do so by the owner of the private property they occupy.

The primary role of the Washington cops in this event was to protect the protesters. The D.C. officers had no authority to act to disperse the protesters even had the homeowner been present and asked them to vacate the private property. The event ended as a “dash one”– no arrests, no citations – according to Friz. The Montgomery County units left the scene at 5:29 pm.

According to Friz, “members of protest groups know how far to push the envelope” and wait for “the key words” – for example, the property owner’s request that they leave – in order to avoid arrests or citations. For example, protesters are required to keep on the move, since a standing protest violates a Montgomery County code. And, while photographs clearly suggest that many of the SEIU protesters were stationary, the District police don’t have any authority to enforce Montgomery County laws.

So, let’s sum this up: A caravan of SEIU buses receive a Metropolitan (D.C.) Police Department escort to a private home in Maryland where the protesters, from all appearances, violate Montgomery County law by engaging in a stationary protest. The Montgomery County police were not informed by their cross-jurisdictional colleagues of the impending, unusually large protest pending in their jurisdiction.

What’s up with that? Had the mob decided to torch the house, the D.C. police would not have been authorized to intervene. Not their jurisdiction. They’re just escorts. Meanwhile, a teenage boy is home alone, frightened by what’s happening outside his front door.

There’s something very wrong with this picture.

Garandshooter
05-25-2010, 11:20 PM
This is one of those situations that makes me so angry that I have nothing to say. Another example of how the Liberal agenda is to terrorize and destroy America and American values.

Yea me to. Otherwise I might make coments from the heart, which will peak the interest of the authorities.

Bonnie
05-26-2010, 01:39 PM
Okay, let me get this straight. Police from one jurisdiction are allowed to escort protesters onto a private citizen's property in another jurisdiction. However, if the property owner then asks those police to remove the protestors, they can't because they don't have juristiction. I understand that they don't have jurisdiction, but why then are they allowed to escort these people into another jurisdiction in the first place and without any warning to the local police. If something had happened to the property owner or his family or one of the protesters, who would be responsible/accountable for bringing these people onto his property? Or would they be saying, "Sorry, we don't have jurisdiction..."

(Previous post totally edited.) :laugh:

Buzzard
05-26-2010, 02:06 PM
Okay, let me get this straight--if I'm understanding the above article correctly:

1) There is a LAW in place to handle uninvited protesters on your property (in that county).

2) If the property owner asks/tells them to leave, they are supposed to do so, or, the police are supposed to make them leave.

3) Even though there is a law and even though the property owner requests they leave, the police do nothing to actually enforce the law.

AND (I don't want to leave this one out),

4) Protesters get a police escort onto people's private property. :blink:

I'm beginning to get the impression that a lot of the laws of our country aren't worth the paper their printed on. :wink:

Did the people disperse once requested by the property owner?

Bonnie
05-26-2010, 05:37 PM
Did the people disperse once requested by the property owner?

I went back and reread it and I guess they are saying the local county police who had "jurisdiction" got them to leave as requested by the property owner. I originally thought they were saying they weren't allowed to "enforce" the law. You know, like how our states and police aren't allowed to enforce our federal immigration laws. Hence, my original comments/post.

I went back and edited my previous post. :)

J.B.
05-26-2010, 05:39 PM
In order for them to be trespassing, they would have to have been asked by the owners to leave unless there was a visible sign stating "No Trespassing."

Not saying that what they did was right, but the actions some on here said they would take is more criminal than what actually happened.

If you march onto another persons property and start protesting against them with a small army of people, you deserve to get shot or at least shot at, in my opinion. There are ways to protest and ways not to protest. Invading a man's private property and creating a mob scene is not a way people should be protesting.

Of course there are always other ways to get rid of them, a nice high powered pressure washer would do the trick, or call up my friends and let loose with some paintball guns. Heck, even filling some water balloons with waste and busting out the 3 man slingshot could be effective.

Still, the quickest way would be to just shoot one and watch the rest scatter.

Buzzard
05-26-2010, 09:05 PM
If you march onto another persons property and start protesting against them with a small army of people, you deserve to get shot or at least shot at, in my opinion. There are ways to protest and ways not to protest. Invading a man's private property and creating a mob scene is not a way people should be protesting.

Of course there are always other ways to get rid of them, a nice high powered pressure washer would do the trick, or call up my friends and let loose with some paintball guns. Heck, even filling some water balloons with waste and busting out the 3 man slingshot could be effective.

Still, the quickest way would be to just shoot one and watch the rest scatter.

Wow! That's quite disturbing. Your solutions are more illegal than the original problem and resort to physical violence. I expected better from you and some of the other folks on here. Sadly, I now know differently.

J.B.
05-26-2010, 10:06 PM
Wow! That's quite disturbing. Your solutions are more illegal than the original problem and resort to physical violence. I expected better from you and some of the other folks on here. Sadly, I now know differently.

It's not disturbing at all, and please define MORE illegal. :rolleyes:

Why would anybody feel like it's okay to trespass on somebody's front lawn and create a mob-like environment? If people want to trespass, they should be prepared to deal with the consequences.

I didn't say I would kill them, I just said I would shoot one, and maybe I wouldn't even have to do that, I'm still kinda picturing the pressure washer scenario as the most entertaining.

Sometimes physical violence is the perfect answer, and a mob scene of crazy liberal nut-jobs scaring the crap out of my teenage son who is alone in the house and had to lock himself in the bathroom, seems like one of those times.

Funny you say you expected better from me, because I honestly expected exactly what I got from you. Another post acting sympathetic to the liberal loons and their wacky extreme ways. We are not talking about simple trespassing here, like a few kids walking across the guys lawn. We are talking about like 500 people!!!! Don't you see how that could be dangerous for the man and his family?

If I were inside that house when they walked up they would have been in for a hell of a surprise, Clint Eastwood style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelBNtNm8l0

NateR
05-26-2010, 11:49 PM
Wow! That's quite disturbing. Your solutions are more illegal than the original problem and resort to physical violence. I expected better from you and some of the other folks on here. Sadly, I now know differently.

Translation: Let me feign a condescending, "father-like" disappointment in an attempt to shame you into agreeing with me.

In other words, I don't think there is a single genuine sentiment in your entire post.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure it would only take a few bullets fired into the air to scatter this cowardly mob like the roaches that they are.

ufcfan2
05-26-2010, 11:50 PM
They were trespassers on private property with violent intent, thus it's not murder; but justifiable self-defense.

This.
U got a mob with a mob mentality right at ur door step with noone their to protect urself but urself...that makes it 'no holds bar self-defense'...
I'd say he shoud of done what they did in the old days get some hot scolding oil and dump it from the second floor and then light it on fire ;)
Heh, so he goes outside beats down the cops that led them there they can't arrest him due to juristiction laws :) /sarcasm off

Buzzard
05-27-2010, 12:36 AM
It's not disturbing at all, and please define MORE illegal. :rolleyes:

I shouldn't have put the word more in there. Protests are legal in this country. You shooting someone for the reasons you stated aren't, but they do show a lot about you.


Why would anybody feel like it's okay to trespass on somebody's front lawn and create a mob-like environment? If people want to trespass, they should be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Were the protesters asked to disperse, and if they were, did they?


I didn't say I would kill them, I just said I would shoot one, and maybe I wouldn't even have to do that, I'm still kinda picturing the pressure washer scenario as the most entertaining.

Still illegal and showing that you aren't stable enough to own a gun. Yeah, act like a monkey and throw feces on them.


Sometimes physical violence is the perfect answer, and a mob scene of crazy liberal nut-jobs scaring the crap out of my teenage son who is alone in the house and had to lock himself in the bathroom, seems like one of those times.

Were they asked to disperse? Did they?


Funny you say you expected better from me, because I honestly expected exactly what I got from you. Another post acting sympathetic to the liberal loons and their wacky extreme ways. We are not talking about simple trespassing here, like a few kids walking across the guys lawn. We are talking about like 500 people!!!! Don't you see how that could be dangerous for the man and his family?

So protests are now wacky extreme ways? Incredible. Again, show where they were trespassing after being asked to vacate the lawn.


If I were inside that house when they walked up they would have been in for a hell of a surprise, Clint Eastwood style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelBNtNm8l0

Yeah, and you would be in jail getting plugged %#*&@ style, at least if I was on the jury.

Translation: Let me feign a condescending, "father-like" disappointment in an attempt to shame you into agreeing with me.

You aren't very good at translating, in fact you struck out.


In other words, I don't think there is a single genuine sentiment in your entire post.

A Jedi you will never be with the skills you have shown here today.


Anyways, I'm pretty sure it would only take a few bullets fired into the air to scatter this cowardly mob like the roaches that they are.

Were they asked to disperse, and if so, did they when asked? It's not a hard question.

In fact, if you look at my original post on this topic this is what I said.

Not saying that what they did was right, but the actions some on here said they would take is more criminal than what actually happened.

Since JB will most like want a definition of what "more criminal" means, it means a criminal action of a higher degree. Since they weren't charged for any criminal action, all the wanna-be Clint Eastwood types here would be committing the crime, not the protesters.

They were trespassers on private property with violent intent, thus it's not murder; but justifiable self-defense.

Because you say so does not make it true. In fact it is quite laughable.:laugh:

J.B.
05-27-2010, 01:20 AM
I shouldn't have put the word more in there. Protests are legal in this country. You shooting someone for the reasons you stated aren't, but they do show a lot about you.

Trespassing and disturbing the peace are not legal acts, but feel free to come stand on my lawn anytime. :)


Were the protesters asked to disperse, and if they were, did they?


There were close to 500 of them. I suppose it was the homeowners responsibility to inform each one personally that they had to leave. Again, feel free to stand on my lawn.


Still illegal and showing that you aren't stable enough to own a gun. Yeah, act like a monkey and throw feces on them.


This is Arizona, and I own many guns. If you would like to see, then I encourage you to come stand on my lawn.


Were they asked to disperse? Did they?


Again, there were roughly 500 people. Quit acting like these libtards were a peaceful bunch of people with every right to be on his lawn.


So protests are now wacky extreme ways? Incredible. Again, show where they were trespassing after being asked to vacate the lawn.


They shouldnt have been at his house in the first place. If you don't get that, then you belong standing right next to them. Hopefully next time it's on my lawn.


Yeah, and you would be in jail getting plugged %#*&@ style, at least if I was on the jury.


Yeah yeah yeah, if you were on the jury. Care to guess what would happen if you were on my lawn? :)

NateR
05-27-2010, 01:23 AM
Care to guess what would happen if you were on my lawn? :)

:laugh:

J.B. FTW

J.B.
05-27-2010, 01:32 AM
Since JB will most like want a definition of what "more criminal" means, it means a criminal action of a higher degree. Since they weren't charged for any criminal action, all the wanna-be Clint Eastwood types here would be committing the crime, not the protesters.


I don't need an explanation of what you meant, but it certainly doesn't change the fact that what you said was wrong.

ILLEGAL means AGAINST THE LAW. Nothing more.

Punishments are different for each infraction, but the definition of ILLEGAL stays the same.

You just can't handle the fact that some people would love to smack the stupid out of people who do this kind of crap or agree with it. Your need to argue with the "fairy-tale reading conservatives" of this forum has driven you yet again to abandon common sense. There were 500 people on his front lawn, that is not a minor protest, that is a mob-scene.

flo
05-27-2010, 01:34 AM
JB & Nate

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9708/applausep.gif

flo
05-27-2010, 01:35 AM
Those people appear to have had a bit too much caffeine....

J.B.
05-27-2010, 01:36 AM
Also, for the record Buzz, Monkeys throw their own poop, I would use a dog's poop, or even a bag of manure. We are civilized here, we don't dig in the toilet.

NateR
05-27-2010, 01:47 AM
Those people appear to have had a bit too much caffeine....

It took us a while to get warmed up, but is this more of what you were hoping for when you started this thread? :)

J.B.
05-27-2010, 02:14 AM
It took us a while to get warmed up, but is this more of what you were hoping for when you started this thread? :)

:laugh:

flo
05-27-2010, 02:34 AM
It took us a while to get warmed up, but is this more of what you were hoping for when you started this thread? :)

Yes, a lively discussion! :laugh:

Spiritwalker
05-27-2010, 02:54 AM
Originally Posted by J.B. View Post
Care to guess what would happen if you were on my lawn?

oh wow.. I think I have my first man-crush!!!!

J.B.
05-27-2010, 04:50 AM
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t298/eburcham/getoffmylawn.jpg

J.B.
05-27-2010, 06:15 AM
I can only imagine what some people would be saying if it were 500 Christians "peacefully" gathering on the front lawn of a baby killer. :rolleyes:

flo
05-27-2010, 06:25 AM
Awesome graphic, JB!!!

ufcfan2
05-27-2010, 06:35 AM
I think it would make it worse if I just mowed the lawn and all those fools showed up standing on it :) I be really peeved for sure....

J.B.
05-27-2010, 07:09 AM
Awesome graphic, JB!!!

http://www.playerpress.com/uploads/Image/EastwoodMyLawn.jpg

I don't feel like photo-shopping it right now, but another thread appropriate quote for this picture would read "The List Buzzard... where is it?"

flo
05-27-2010, 07:32 AM
:laugh::laugh:

That was such an awesome movie.

I get the feeling we're never going to see that list...

Buzzard
05-27-2010, 09:35 AM
Trespassing and disturbing the peace are not legal acts, but feel free to come stand on my lawn anytime. :) Again, show me where the people didn't disperse when asked. C'mon, show me. If I stand on your lawn and am asked to leave, I will. What, are you gonna be the coward and shoot a man in his back?


There were close to 500 of them. I suppose it was the homeowners responsibility to inform each one personally that they had to leave. Again, feel free to stand on my lawn.

Announce that you are telling the people to leave. Even if they don't, the rule of law would show that you would be guilty of reckless force if you used more force than necessary. Again, if I were to stand on your lawn and were asked to leave I would. What, you gonna be a coward and shoot a man in his back?


This is Arizona, and I own many guns. If you would like to see, then I encourage you to come stand on my lawn.

Again, play the coward card. Use more than reasonable force and you will be in jail. Hell, members of a police force were present. Your actions which you state would land you in jail.


Again, there were roughly 500 people. Quit acting like these libtards were a peaceful bunch of people with every right to be on his lawn.

Did these folks cause any harm or commit any acts of violence? Did they disperse when asked? What criminal charges were brought against them by the enforcing police department? Since you played the name calling game, you lost the argument because you have no real argument.


They shouldnt have been at his house in the first place. If you don't get that, then you belong standing right next to them. Hopefully next time it's on my lawn.

Again, what charges were brought against these protesters? Shoot at me and miss and catch a world of hell forever. Wing me and get me angry, and then bring on the world of hell. Protesting is part of what America is about, whether your Conservitard self wants to believe it or not.


Yeah yeah yeah, if you were on the jury. Care to guess what would happen if you were on my lawn? :)

You would shoot at me like a little coward sissy and miss, and then the world of hell would be on your doorstep, after you were charged with attempted murder and placed in prison, getting snuggley with Bubba.

:laugh:

J.B. FTW

Yeah, the thought and image of JB getting snuggley with Bubba makes me laugh too.:wink:

I don't need an explanation of what you meant, but it certainly doesn't change the fact that what you said was wrong.

Show me that what I said was wrong. Prove it to me if you can.


ILLEGAL means AGAINST THE LAW. Nothing more.

What illegal infraction were these protesters charged with? Certainly not trespassing, because if they were they would most certainly would have been charged if the police felt they could make it stick. Kindly show me the facts that you have showing how many people were charged and what the charges were.


Punishments are different for each infraction, but the definition of ILLEGAL stays the same.

What charges were brought against these people for what illegal action?


You just can't handle the fact that some people would love to smack the stupid out of people who do this kind of crap or agree with it. Your need to argue with the "fairy-tale reading conservatives" of this forum has driven you yet again to abandon common sense. There were 500 people on his front lawn, that is not a minor protest, that is a mob-scene.

I can handle that fact. What I have some degree of difficulty handling is that you can't show me any facts stating that these people were arrested for any illegal acts. Again, read my original reply to this post. You puffing your chest out makes me laugh, ha ha. I never stated it was a "minor protest." Nice try. The great thing about our country is that we are allowed to protest things, even if you don't think that the subject is worth protesting. These people felt that it was, and they did it. I don't condone or feel the same as the folks who did the protest, but they did what they did and would have been arrested if the police felt that they were breaking the law. Again, have any charges been place upon these people?

Also, for the record Buzz, Monkeys throw their own poop, I would use a dog's poop, or even a bag of manure. We are civilized here, we don't dig in the toilet.

Seeing as how you stated that you may throw waste upon the protesters, I felt that your actions were on a lower level than monkeys, and I feel bad for bringing the monkeys down to your level. The actions which you stated you would do are hardly civilized. I would expect that from lower level species, not from the human race. Grabbing and flinging any waste isn't civilized. Now, I may have taken liberty and believed that the waste you were talking about was excremental, if it wasn't, then my apologies. :wink:

What I wrote above was my first draft of what I wanted to say. I'll let it stand because it is what it is and I was a little defensive when I first started my reply. The name calling was unwarranted on my part and for that I apologize, but I'll still let it stand because that's how it originally came out and if we were talking face to face, I wouldn't get a redo. Again, read my original reply on this topic. I don't condone what was done, but if you can, kindly show me the laws which were broken and the actions taken by the police in response to the broken laws.

Is this what you were hoping for Flo? Lively enough?

Buzzard
05-27-2010, 09:40 AM
http://www.playerpress.com/uploads/Image/EastwoodMyLawn.jpg

I don't feel like photo-shopping it right now, but another thread appropriate quote for this picture would read "The List Buzzard... where is it?"

Seeing as how it is Mark Twain's 100th anniversary of his death, relive one of his more memorable ideas.

Always a pioneer, Mark Twain invented AND mastered the "How do you keep a moron in suspense? ... I'll tell you tomorrow!" joke.

You would make him proud! Still in suspense are you? I thought so.

Spiritwalker
05-27-2010, 10:17 AM
Seeing as how it is Mark Twain's 100th anniversary of his death, relive one of his more memorable ideas.



You would make him proud! Still in suspense are you? I thought so.


Trust me.. there is no suspense.... The reason you haven't posted your list is known.

You know what.. maybe shooting a few of the 500 or so odd people on my yard "could" or even "would".. land me in jail..

But if I come home and find that going on.. I WOULD be driving over people as I drive to my front door to get out and check on my wife and kids.. I bet that would disperese the crowd some... and "if" it did go to the courts... I would prolly get off.. either from my belife that my family was in danger.. or that my gas pedal was stuck.. or I hire Johnnie Cochran

and "if" the cops that were present.. arrested me.. they would have to get rid of the crowd to do it.. I would be in there swinging for the fences...

If you want to protest me or the company I work for... fine.. do it.. At least have the following:

1. The Brains to know when I am at home
2. The common sense to leave my family alone
3. Your Will updated for not following 1 and 2

I personally think that every single cop that stood by and did nothing...should face some harsh disiplinary actions.. and maybe even some type of "conspircy" charges since no one did anything to stop it.... hell .. they even helped.



EDIT... and BTW... as much as I like Mark Twain's works and all... as people tend to forget.. he had said a bunch of goofy things also.."I make it a rule never to smoke while I'm sleeping. " -

County Mike
05-27-2010, 11:06 AM
The at home kid needs a paintball gun.

VCURamFan
05-27-2010, 02:19 PM
Trespassing and disturbing the peace are not legal acts, but feel free to come stand on my lawn anytime. :)

There were close to 500 of them. I suppose it was the homeowners responsibility to inform each one personally that they had to leave. Again, feel free to stand on my lawn.

This is Arizona, and I own many guns. If you would like to see, then I encourage you to come stand on my lawn.

Again, there were roughly 500 people. Quit acting like these libtards were a peaceful bunch of people with every right to be on his lawn.

They shouldnt have been at his house in the first place. If you don't get that, then you belong standing right next to them. Hopefully next time it's on my lawn.

Yeah yeah yeah, if you were on the jury. Care to guess what would happen if you were on my lawn? :)
:happydancing: :happydancing: :happydancing: :happydancing:

I think J.B.'s proud of his grass-mowing abilities or something. :laugh:

J.B.
05-27-2010, 05:04 PM
Again, show me where the people didn't disperse when asked. C'mon, show me. If I stand on your lawn and am asked to leave, I will. What, are you gonna be the coward and shoot a man in his back?


Please show me where they DID disperse when asked, and that they did it the first time. Seriously, get off it, because you are losing the argument big time with that broken ass record.

I wouldn't shoot you in the back ol' buddy, I would just clip one of your wings.


Announce that you are telling the people to leave. Even if they don't, the rule of law would show that you would be guilty of reckless force if you used more force than necessary. Again, if I were to stand on your lawn and were asked to leave I would. What, you gonna be a coward and shoot a man in his back?

So you would do nothing at all if 500 people were on your lawn shouting things at you and your family and they refused to leave? Sounds like you're the coward to me.


Again, play the coward card. Use more than reasonable force and you will be in jail. Hell, members of a police force were present. Your actions which you state would land you in jail.

Which one? Shooting a trespasser who refuses to leave? I wouldn't go to jail for that. Again, I never said I was gonna kill anybody.



Did these folks cause any harm or commit any acts of violence? Did they disperse when asked? What criminal charges were brought against them by the enforcing police department? Since you played the name calling game, you lost the argument because you have no real argument.

Yes, they caused lots of harm. They scared the crap out of the man's family, invaded his privacy, and more than likely caused damage to his lawn.

Do we now need to prosecute somebody in order for their acts to still be illegal? :rolleyes:

I love the name calling game, especially when you join the discussion. :)


Again, what charges were brought against these protesters? Shoot at me and miss and catch a world of hell forever. Wing me and get me angry, and then bring on the world of hell. Protesting is part of what America is about, whether your Conservitard self wants to believe it or not.

For a man who likes to refer to the Bible as a bunch of fairy-tales, I would think you would be better served at talking out of your ass like those protesters than trying to threaten ME with "hell".

500 people on a man's lawn is not a protest, it's a mob-scene.

You would shoot at me like a little coward sissy and miss, and then the world of hell would be on your doorstep, after you were charged with attempted murder and placed in prison, getting snuggley with Bubba.


If I wanted to shoot you dead, the conversation wouldn't be about "attempted" anything.

Yeah, the thought and image of JB getting snuggley with Bubba turns me on.:wink:


It all makes sense now.


Show me that what I said was wrong. Prove it to me if you can.

You said that one thing is MORE ILLEGAL than something else.

That statement is wrong, and I already explained why.

What illegal infraction were these protesters charged with? Certainly not trespassing, because if they were they would most certainly would have been charged if the police felt they could make it stick. Kindly show me the facts that you have showing how many people were charged and what the charges were.


If I am speeding down the road next to a cop and he doesn't pull me over, am I still breaking the law?


I can handle that fact. What I have some degree of difficulty handling is that you can't show me any facts stating that these people were arrested for any illegal acts. Again, read my original reply to this post. You puffing your chest out makes me laugh, ha ha. I never stated it was a "minor protest." Nice try. The great thing about our country is that we are allowed to protest things, even if you don't think that the subject is worth protesting. These people felt that it was, and they did it. I don't condone or feel the same as the folks who did the protest, but they did what they did and would have been arrested if the police felt that they were breaking the law. Again, have any charges been place upon these people?

You are nothing more than a broken record at this point.

Again, If I am speeding down the road next to a cop and he doesn't pull me over, am I still breaking the law?


Seeing as how you stated that you may throw waste upon the protesters, I felt that your actions were on a lower level than monkeys, and I feel bad for bringing the monkeys down to your level. The actions which you stated you would do are hardly civilized. I would expect that from lower level species, not from the human race. Grabbing and flinging any waste isn't civilized. Now, I may have taken liberty and believed that the waste you were talking about was excremental, if it wasn't, then my apologies. :wink:

I have a feeling that you got a lot of swirlies when you were a kid.




What I wrote above was my first draft of what I wanted to say. I'll let it stand because it is what it is and I was a little defensive when I first started my reply. The name calling was unwarranted on my part and for that I apologize, but I'll still let it stand because that's how it originally came out and if we were talking face to face, I wouldn't get a redo. Again, read my original reply on this topic. I don't condone what was done, but if you can, kindly show me the laws which were broken and the actions taken by the police in response to the broken laws.


I don't need your apology. I didn't say anything to trash you until you started popping off at the keys calling me disturbed and having fantasies of me having sex with a large black man, and even now I could care less.

See, talking smack is part of life. When people get under your skin, it tends to come naturally. That's called KEEPING IT REAL, just like a man should when a mob-scene is standing on his front lawn tormenting him and his family.

J.B.
05-27-2010, 05:09 PM
You would make him proud! Still in suspense are you? I thought so.

No, I think the suspense has passed. We had a whole thread devoted to it. :rolleyes:

It is funny though to see you squirm back to your emergency argument of "I was just joking". Spineless...

Buzzard
06-02-2010, 07:02 AM
I don't need an explanation of what you meant, but it certainly doesn't change the fact that what you said was wrong.

ILLEGAL means AGAINST THE LAW. Nothing more.

Punishments are different for each infraction, but the definition of ILLEGAL stays the same.

You just can't handle the fact that some people would love to smack the stupid out of people who do this kind of crap or agree with it. Your need to argue with the "fairy-tale reading conservatives" of this forum has driven you yet again to abandon common sense. There were 500 people on his front lawn, that is not a minor protest, that is a mob-scene.

Your belief in fairy tales has nothing to do with this conversation. Luckily you aren't the one defining what is or isn't a protest. I never stated that I agreed with the way the people decided to protest, and showed that I have more common sense than you because I never stated that an option would be to fling poo.

I can only imagine what some people would be saying if it were 500 Christians "peacefully" gathering on the front lawn of a baby killer. :rolleyes:

I don't recall ever seeing anyone here having a problem when anti-abortion people protested at the homes of any abortion doctors. Not saying folks on here haven't, rather I just don't recall it. And yes, anti-abortion folks have protested at the homes of doctors. The one I recall wasn't nearly the size of the crowd that we are discussing.

Also, for the record Buzz, Monkeys throw their own poop, I would use a dog's poop, or even a bag of manure. We are civilized here, we don't dig in the toilet.

Yet you would have no problem digging for dog poop in the area that dogs use for a toilet. That isn't civilized.

Trust me.. there is no suspense.... The reason you haven't posted your list is known.

Yes, to keep the idiots in suspense. Worked quite well.


You know what.. maybe shooting a few of the 500 or so odd people on my yard "could" or even "would".. land me in jail..

But if I come home and find that going on.. I WOULD be driving over people as I drive to my front door to get out and check on my wife and kids.. I bet that would disperese the crowd some... and "if" it did go to the courts... I would prolly get off.. either from my belife that my family was in danger.. or that my gas pedal was stuck.. or I hire Johnnie Cochran and "if" the cops that were present.. arrested me.. they would have to get rid of the crowd to do it.. I would be in there swinging for the fences...

That's fine and dandy. John Cochran is dead. Swing away, your actions would be what was illegal and hopefully you would pay the price for your them. Read my first post in this thread and remember this is what my original reply to this thread was:

Not saying that what they did was right, but the actions some on here said they would take is more criminal than what actually happened.


If you want to protest me or the company I work for... fine.. do it.. At least have the following:

1. The Brains to know when I am at home
2. The common sense to leave my family alone
3. Your Will updated for not following 1 and 2

I personally think that every single cop that stood by and did nothing...should face some harsh disiplinary actions.. and maybe even some type of "conspircy" charges since no one did anything to stop it.... hell .. they even helped.

I agree that what they did wasn't right, and that they should have used more common sense. My original reply was about the ones stating that they would use illegal means to settle the problem.

Read up more. I'll be posting a link later in this reply to address an issue that JB couldn't answer, and there you can listen to find that the police did not set this up nor help them.


EDIT... and BTW... as much as I like Mark Twain's works and all... as people tend to forget.. he had said a bunch of goofy things also.."I make it a rule never to smoke while I'm sleeping. " -

Yes he said some goofy stuff, but his quote about keeping morons in suspense still works to this day as can be seen right here on this forum, yet no one will man-up and acknowledge that they were caught.

Please show me where they DID disperse when asked, and that they did it the first time. Seriously, get off it, because you are losing the argument big time with that broken ass record.

Since you fail to make a point and won't answer my questions asked of you, I will post something where you can hear a police officer saying they they were dispersing peacefully.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/05/026400.php

Watch the video.

I sound like a broken ass record because you have failed to prove anything and I need to keep requesting what you have failed to and can't provide.

I wouldn't shoot you in the back ol' buddy, I would just clip one of your wings.

Yeah, after I have peacefully acknowledged a request to leave and have turned my back to walk away.

So you would do nothing at all if 500 people were on your lawn shouting things at you and your family and they refused to leave? Sounds like you're the coward to me.

I never said that. I would request them to leave, and depending on the outcome of the request, would act accordingly. I surely wouldn't shoot an unarmed person peacefully leaving.


Which one? Shooting a trespasser who refuses to leave? I wouldn't go to jail for that.

If you could have shown where the folks weren't dispersing, you may have an argument. Since you refused to provide any proof of them failing to leave, you have no argument. If they weren't requested to leave, they weren't trespassing.

Again, I never said I was gonna kill anybody.

You said "you deserve to get shot or at least shot at, in my opinion." My apologies for stating that you said you would shoot them or at them. I retract that statement and others pertaining to my erroneous reply.


Yes, they caused lots of harm. They scared the crap out of the man's family, invaded his privacy, and more than likely caused damage to his lawn.

Did the man press any charges? His privacy wasn't invaded as he was not home at the time.:)


Do we now need to prosecute somebody in order for their acts to still be illegal? :rolleyes:

Certain acts require charges to be pressed. What charges were filed upon the group by the man?


I love the name calling game, especially when you join the discussion. :)

Last resorts are a beyotch aren't they?:wink:


For a man who likes to refer to the Bible as a bunch of fairy-tales, I would think you would be better served at talking out of your ass like those protesters than trying to threaten ME with "hell".

Surely you realize that there are usages of "hell" which don't relate to the bible. Here one that would fit from dictionary.com with a sentence showing how it would be used.

any place or state of torment or misery: They made their father's life a hell on earth.


500 people on a man's lawn is not a protest, it's a mob-scene.

To reiterate, you aren't the one defining what is or isn't a protest.

If I wanted to shoot you dead, the conversation wouldn't be about "attempted" anything.

You know, sometimes you just don't get what you wish for.



It all makes sense now.

Of course it makes sense. You have to lie and change what I write in order to make yourself look better.


You said that one thing is MORE ILLEGAL than something else.

That statement is wrong, and I already explained why.

BTW, I never stated that one thing is "more illegal" than something else. Just sayin'.

I already acknowledged that, though if the people weren't doing anything illegal, then an illegal act is more illegal than the legal act. What act did the people do which was illegal? If no charges were brought upon them and they peacefully dispersed, what was illegal about the protest?


If I am speeding down the road next to a cop and he doesn't pull me over, am I still breaking the law?

Are you guilty of trespassing if not requested to disperse and there aren't any "no trespassing" signs posted? Certain acts require certain actions before something can be declared illegal.

You are nothing more than a broken record at this point.

Because for some reason you can't or won't answer a simple question. Perhaps it's because you know that you are wrong.


Again, If I am speeding down the road next to a cop and he doesn't pull me over, am I still breaking the law?

Again, what charges were brought against the group? Were they requested to leave, and if so, did they?

I have a feeling that you got a lot of swirlies when you were a kid.

You shouldn't project what happened to you as a kid onto me. I've never experiences these "swirlies" which you talk about. Tell me how you dealt with it after you received yours.

I don't need your apology. I didn't say anything to trash you until you started popping off at the keys calling me disturbed and having fantasies of me having sex with a large black man, and even now I could care less.

The actions which you stated the people deserved were irrational and disturbing. Had you not made the irrational reply, I wouldn't have had the need to say what I said, and I never called you disturbed. You then made a comment about other illegal and uncivilized ways to disperse the crowd, further cementing the notion that your views are disturbing.


See, talking smack is part of life. When people get under your skin, it tends to come naturally. That's called KEEPING IT REAL, just like a man should when a mob-scene is standing on his front lawn tormenting him and his family.

Which is why I let stand my original composition. A man would have the presence of mind to "keep it real" by not doing something stupid thereby putting his family in a hardship position while he serves time in jail. The man passed the "keeping it real" test with flying colors.

No, I think the suspense has passed. We had a whole thread devoted to it. :rolleyes:

Yep, and you're still in suspense. Really, if you'd like I'll post the list tomorrow.


It is funny though to see you squirm back to your emergency argument of "I was just joking". Spineless...

It was a joke, but perhaps you are too dense to get it. I went and made into the suspense joke which you fell for hook, line and sinker. Perhaps you would get it if I posted a funny picture, as it seems you need them. Furthermore, if I ever had intended to post this list, I wouldn't have because Mark requested that I not do it, instead he ask that if I was to decide to post a list, to PM it to him instead. How many more times do I have to tell you this before you will get it?

I've actually had to ask someone to leave my property, and the actions I took were quite legal. When the person finally left, trespassing charges would not have stuck because he finally did leave. Spineless is resorting to a juvenile prank such as flinging poo as a monkey would.

Bonnie
06-02-2010, 07:24 AM
WoW! That has to be a record. I've never seen so many quotes in one post. :laugh:

Buzzard
06-02-2010, 08:11 AM
WoW! That has to be a record. I've never seen so many quotes in one post. :laugh:

Quick, call Guinness. :laugh:

Thanks for your update BTW.

J.B.
06-02-2010, 09:23 AM
Your belief in fairy tales has nothing to do with this conversation. Luckily you aren't the one defining what is or isn't a protest. I never stated that I agreed with the way the people decided to protest, and showed that I have more common sense than you because I never stated that an option would be to fling poo.

You are the only one on this forum who I see posting that refers to Christianity as "fairy tales". The more you continue to insult Christianity in an environment that has a lot of Christians , the less people are going to be inclined to respond to you positively.

When it's my property, and my families safety, you're damn right I am the one who is defining it, that's the point that you ignore for the sake of arguing with me. You just automatically made the jump that somehow because I said those people deserve to be shot at or otherwise dispersed through whatever available means, that I would kill peaceful protesters or shoot those who are leaving in the back.

It's also funny to see how full of yourself you get when people mention your "joke" list of suck-ups. You act as if the statements you made are not plainly there for all to see, and we are all supposed to just believe that you were being sarcastic or "joking" given your history on this forum. Then, at the same time, you keep trying to use my comment about throwing crap at a mob-scene as if I said it with complete seriousness. :rolleyes:


Yes, to keep the idiots in suspense. Worked quite well.


Keep telling yourself that

Surely you realize that there are usages of "hell" which don't relate to the bible. Here one that would fit from dictionary.com with a sentence showing how it would be used.

Guess you missed the point, not surprising though.

There is only one type of "Hell" I fear, and you certainly aren't the one that can bring that.

BTW, I never stated that one thing is "more illegal" than something else. Just sayin'.

If you are going to break down my posts without using any sort of greater understanding to comprehend certain statements, then I can do the same thing to you. I understood what you meant, but I called you out on it just to nitpick you, just as you have done around here to people for years.

J.B.
06-02-2010, 09:05 PM
WoW! That has to be a record. I've never seen so many quotes in one post. :laugh:

He responds like that to just about every single post. If a post has two sentences, 90% of the time he will have two quotes. It's like a bait and switch tactic that he uses to try and overwhelm the person he is arguing or debating with. He tries to go off in so many directions sometimes that he makes you not even want to respond. Then, if you don't, he feels in his own little world like he somehow won the big e-argument or proved some greater point that nobody gives two craps about anyway.

MattHughesRocks
06-02-2010, 09:24 PM
CHA-CHING!:laugh:

He responds like that to just about every single post. If a post has two sentences, 90% of the time he will have two quotes. It's like a bait and switch tactic that he uses to try and overwhelm the person he is arguing or debating with. He tries to go off in so many directions sometimes that he makes you not even want to respond. Then, if you don't, he feels in his own little world like he somehow won the big e-argument or proved some greater point that nobody gives two craps about anyway.

Buzzard
06-02-2010, 11:38 PM
You are the only one on this forum who I see posting that refers to Christianity as "fairy tales". The more you continue to insult Christianity in an environment that has a lot of Christians , the less people are going to be inclined to respond to you positively.

When it's my property, and my families safety, you're damn right I am the one who is defining it, that's the point that you ignore for the sake of arguing with me. You just automatically made the jump that somehow because I said those people deserve to be shot at or otherwise dispersed through whatever available means, that I would kill peaceful protesters or shoot those who are leaving in the back.

It's also funny to see how full of yourself you get when people mention your "joke" list of suck-ups. You act as if the statements you made are not plainly there for all to see, and we are all supposed to just believe that you were being sarcastic or "joking" given your history on this forum. Then, at the same time, you keep trying to use my comment about throwing crap at a mob-scene as if I said it with complete seriousness. :rolleyes:




Keep telling yourself that



Guess you missed the point, not surprising though.

There is only one type of "Hell" I fear, and you certainly aren't the one that can bring that.



If you are going to break down my posts without using any sort of greater understanding to comprehend certain statements, then I can do the same thing to you. I understood what you meant, but I called you out on it just to nitpick you, just as you have done around here to people for years.

You brought up fairy tales in this thread, not me. You'll see that I have been quite good in leaving religion out of things unless it is brought up to me first.

I'll keep it to one quote so your simple mind won't get lost. Learn what bait and switch is before accusing someone of it.

Still steaming for proving yourself to be a moron in suspense, I understand that you won't admit it. Keep telling yourself that you weren't caught, but it won't come true. The statements are there to see, but you are too ignorant to comprehend them.

Break down my posts if you wish. I don't think that you have the attention span for it. I see that you have nothing to refute what I said in regards to criminal charges pressed.

I'm not the one declaring someone is losing a debate as you did. You probably actually believed it too.:laugh:

In regard to my posting style, I am actually doing it the way I do because NateR requested I do it this way so he could respond to points made easier. Again, if your little brain is overwhelmed, perhaps you should stick to posts with pictures.:Whistle:

You made this statement, not me.

I didn't say I would kill them, I just said I would shoot one, and maybe I wouldn't even have to do that, I'm still kinda picturing the pressure washer scenario as the most entertaining.

I hope I didn't lose you by adding a 2nd quote. Concentrate, it's not that difficult to keep focused.

J.B.
06-03-2010, 12:47 AM
You brought up fairy tales in this thread, not me. You'll see that I have been quite good in leaving religion out of things unless it is brought up to me first.

I'll keep it to one quote so your simple mind won't get lost. Learn what bait and switch is before accusing someone of it.

Still steaming for proving yourself to be a moron in suspense, I understand that you won't admit it. Keep telling yourself that you weren't caught, but it won't come true. The statements are there to see, but you are too ignorant to comprehend them.

Break down my posts if you wish. I don't think that you have the attention span for it. I see that you have nothing to refute what I said in regards to criminal charges pressed.

I'm not the one declaring someone is losing a debate as you did. You probably actually believed it too.:laugh:

In regard to my posting style, I am actually doing it the way I do because NateR requested I do it this way so he could respond to points made easier. Again, if your little brain is overwhelmed, perhaps you should stick to posts with pictures.:Whistle:

You made this statement, not me.



I hope I didn't lose you by adding a 2nd quote. Concentrate, it's not that difficult to keep focused.

I brought it up because it's exactly what you think of Christianity and you've said it numerous times on these forums. If you are so good about leaving religion out of things, why post in the C-Section at all? You have been provoking arguments here about politics and religion for years, am I supposed to give you a cookie for doing it slightly less often the last 6 months? :rolleyes:

Learn what "bait and switch" is? :laugh: :rolleyes:

In essence it's exactly what you do. You respond with the same drivel over and over again in long posts with numerous quotes addressing each individual sentence trying to sell yourself as some pseudo intellectual who holds the moral high-ground, and and then try to switch what is actually being said into something else. You come down on people when they name-call or have opinions that don't fit inside your little box, but then you turn around do the exact same thing. Translation = You're a douchebag at best, and super troll who has managed to hang around 3 years at worst. Even if Nate did ask you to respond by quoting each sentence, you are not talking directly to Nate right now. Breaking down every single sentence is fine in some cases, but you do it basically every single post. I could care less how you post, but it's fairly evident to see what you do.

You act as if I have nothing in response to your take on the legality of what those specific protesters did, but the crux of your argument goes back to the presence of a "No Trespassing" sign or the willingness of the homeowner to actually press charges. None of those things matter, what they did WAS illegal. I notice you never responded to my question about a police officer not pulling over a driver who is speeding. In that case, is the driver still breaking the law?

As for my quote about shooting one, or using the pressure washer. How does that equate to me saying I would kill them or shoot them in the back as they left? You also seem to forget that I wasn't talking about THAT specific situation, because I wasn't there, I made a reference to a hypothetical situation where 500 people are on my lawn and how I would react. You can go find links and videos that give one side of the story and say they were peaceful at that protest, there are other reports that say otherwise. Again to reiterate, if it were MY lawn and MY family, I would be the one defining what is a peaceful protest and what is a mob-scene. You are the one who wanted to take it to the next level by calling me disturbed and saying you would like to see me in jail getting raped.

If it makes you feel better Buzz, you can keep on clinging to your belief that anybody ever cared about your "list", or anything you have to say for that matter. I'm sure with as empty as your soul must be without God you must feel much better at night thinking you got the one up on a fighter's message forum.

J.B.
06-03-2010, 01:14 AM
I will just say that there is one thing I am definitely guilty of in this thread, and that is letting myself get roped back in to another long and pointless argument with Buzzard.

My point has been made, so I am going back to talking MMA and Sports for now. Buzz, feel free to flame away like the flamer I know you are. :)

Buzzard
06-03-2010, 04:31 AM
I brought it up because it's exactly what you think of Christianity and you've said it numerous times on these forums. If you are so good about leaving religion out of things, why post in the C-Section at all? You have been provoking arguments here about politics and religion for years, am I supposed to give you a cookie for doing it slightly less often the last 6 months? :rolleyes:

A question for you. When was the last time I posted in the C-section? I'll answer. It was in late January and I posted there in error because I thought the thread was in the politics section. Seeing as how I was told I could post in there if I wasn't slamming or mocking Christianity, I will if I feel that I have something I wish to say. I won’t let you dictate to me where, when, why or how I post. I provoke thought. I’m sorry if it hurts you to think. It’s a game to me, sometimes I like to argue against the stance I take.


Learn what "bait and switch" is? :laugh: :rolleyes:

In essence it's exactly what you do. You respond with the same drivel over and over again in long posts with numerous quotes addressing each individual sentence trying to sell yourself as some pseudo intellectual who holds the moral high-ground, and and then try to switch what is actually being said into something else. You come down on people when they name-call or have opinions that don't fit inside your little box, but then you turn around do the exact same thing. Translation = You're a douchebag at best, and super troll who has managed to hang around 3 years at worst. Even if Nate did ask you to respond by quoting each sentence, you are not talking directly to Nate right now. Breaking down every single sentence is fine in some cases, but you do it basically every single post. I could care less how you post, but it's fairly evident to see what you do.

Again, learn what bait and switch is. I don’t quote each individual sentence, I quote topics and break them down. You don’t like my posting style, then don’t reply. As it is you have not replied with any substance on this topic with me yet. Answer a freaking question and I won’t need to repeat myself.

The last thing I think I am is an intellectual. You think that you know what motivates me and the reasons behind why I post. You are so far off base. Right now I'm having fun at your expense.

I’m fine with people having a differing opinion than I have, and most of the people here are able to take the high road and not resort to your childish tactic of name calling. While I should refrain from calling you names when you instigate it and start it, I sometimes slip and let it fly. You on the other hand pretend to hold the moral high ground because you believe in one of many deities but act like a petulant child whose only recourse is to call names because you have nothing else. Grow up.


You act as if I have nothing in response to your take on the legality of what those specific protesters did, but the crux of your argument goes back to the presence of a "No Trespassing" sign or the willingness of the homeowner to actually press charges. None of those things matter, what they did WAS illegal. I notice you never responded to my question about a police officer not pulling over a driver who is speeding. In that case, is the driver still breaking the law?

I didn't address that because it has no bearing on the topic at hand. Also, why should I address that when you won't address any issue presented to you? Again, it's not illegal trespassing unless posted or one fails to leave the property when asked. Get that through your thick skull. If you had anything, I believe you would have posted it. Again, be specific, what specific actions were illegal?


As for my quote about shooting one, or using the pressure washer. How does that equate to me saying I would kill them or shoot them in the back as they left? You also seem to forget that I wasn't talking about THAT specific situation, because I wasn't there, I made a reference to a hypothetical situation where 500 people are on my lawn and how I would react.

I already addressed that and apologized and retracted that statement. I even went so far as to leave my original statement up to show that even I make errors. You stated that the people there deserved to get shot or shot at. You are trying to justify shooting people.


You can go find links and videos that give one side of the story and say they were peaceful at that protest, there are other reports that say otherwise. Again to reiterate, if it were MY lawn and MY family, I would be the one defining what is a peaceful protest and what is a mob-scene. You are the one who wanted to take it to the next level by calling me disturbed and saying you would like to see me in jail getting raped.

Show a link if you can where a police officer says that the group was violent. Show any link, blog or anything that shows this group to be violent. Back up what you say or shut up about it.

Again, I never said that you were disturbed, I stated that your views were disturbing. You then when on to discuss the flinging waste strategy. I also never said that I would like to see you in jail getting raped. Keep up the lies, it’s now what I have come to expect of you. My first comment about your time in jail.

Yeah, and you would be in jail getting plugged %#*&@ style, at least if I was on the jury.

That means that if I were on the jury, you would go to jail for illegal actions such as shooting them before asking them to leave or throwing waste on them. Show me where I said I would enjoy you being in jail getting raped. You can’t because I never said it and you again lied to build up your weak argument.


If it makes you feel better Buzz, you can keep on clinging to your belief that anybody ever cared about your "list", or anything you have to say for that matter. I'm sure with as empty as your soul must be without God you must feel much better at night thinking you got the one up on a fighter's message forum.

Keep on making excuses. There were only a few to keep bringing up the list, and you were Chief Mo. I don't care about it, but it is quite funny that you fell for it. I don't need a god in my life to make it fulfilling; it's too bad that you aren't able to see that.

My point has been made, so I am going back to talking MMA and Sports for now. Buzz, feel free to flame away like the flamer I know you are. :)

Yes you made your point that you run away when asked for specific examples and resort to childish tactics when backed into a corner.:)

Oh yeah, go Flyers.

J.B.
06-03-2010, 04:17 PM
One last thing that just came to mind.

Everybody go to Buzzard's profile and look at his posting history and see how many times he has talked about MMA or Matt Hughes related topics since he has been here.

That is all, thank you.