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Tyburn
05-06-2010, 04:56 PM
:unsure-1: the country is on the brink...and I do mean the very brink, or collapse

Following the Wall Street Wobble, Greece has just got worse and worse and worse, that combined with a poor Government in terms of economic standards... and now they are about ready to declaire themselves bankrupt

:blink:

MattHughesRocks
05-06-2010, 06:40 PM
Well, then they should move to America like everyone else :blink:

TexasRN
05-06-2010, 06:42 PM
Didn't they just get approved for bailout?


~Amy

Tyburn
05-07-2010, 05:05 PM
Didn't they just get approved for bailout?


~Amy

Yes...but in order to meet the terms and conditions for the bailout the Government have to force horrendous financial constraints on the Greeks...and the population are in the midst of riots and the hike in taxes and cuts in spending and the likes...

What use is a Bailout for a Government...if in order to meet the conditions for it, the Government were deposed by its populas :huh:

Also...you're forgetting that there is now just one curency for most of Europe...think of it like a group of people walking along a narrow ledge with a precipice either side. Any one slips, and he falls off...tragic...but if they are all say joined together with rope or chains, then when one of them slips, they risk ALL falling into the abyss...Imagine Mexico being on the verge of collapse, and the United States having to bail out Mexico...would you really want your tax money going to save another countries economy...this could destabilze the currency, and in tern, the whole of Europe :unsure-1:

TexasRN
05-07-2010, 05:11 PM
Yes...but in order to meet the terms and conditions for the bailout the Government have to force horrendous financial constraints on the Greeks...and the population are in the midst of riots and the hike in taxes and cuts in spending and the likes...

What use is a Bailout for a Government...if in order to meet the conditions for it, the Government were deposed by its populas :huh:

Also...you're forgetting that there is now just one curency for most of Europe...think of it like a group of people walking along a narrow ledge with a precipice either side. Any one slips, and he falls off...tragic...but if they are all say joined together with rope or chains, then when one of them slips, they risk ALL falling into the abyss...Imagine Mexico being on the verge of collapse, and the United States having to bail out Mexico...would you really want your tax money going to save another countries economy...this could destabilze the currency, and in tern, the whole of Europe :unsure-1:

I didn't forget the currency issue. :tongue0011:

I was planning to someday visit Greece. I think I'll skip it now. :laugh:


~Amy

Tyburn
05-07-2010, 05:12 PM
I didn't forget the currency issue. :tongue0011:

I was planning to someday visit Greece. I think I'll skip it now. :laugh:


~Amy

I wouldnt go visit it for the forseeable future..

I, myself, have been to Greece, I went all round it on tour back in 2001 I think :w00t:

Bonnie
05-07-2010, 06:58 PM
:unsure-1: the country is on the brink...and I do mean the very brink, or collapse

Following the Wall Street Wobble, Greece has just got worse and worse and worse, that combined with a poor Government in terms of economic standards... and now they are about ready to declaire themselves bankrupt

:blink:

Just saw a little snippet on the news. The riot police were out.

Bonnie
05-07-2010, 07:01 PM
I didn't forget the currency issue. :tongue0011:

I was planning to someday visit Greece. I think I'll skip it now. :laugh:


~Amy

Amy, I heard somewhere that Greeks don't like Americans. I think it was my godchild who told me that when he was in the Navy and they made port there.

Everyone wants to come here, but nobody seems to like us. :sad: I feel used. :cry: :laugh:

TexasRN
05-07-2010, 07:12 PM
Amy, I heard somewhere that Greeks don't like Americans. I think it was my godchild who told me that when he was in the Navy and they made port there.

Everyone wants to come here, but nobody seems to like us. :sad: I feel used. :cry: :laugh:

Yeah, I hear ya. I figure they'll be nice to me as long as they get my tourism dollars. But now, I'm thinking Hawaii is the place for me. It's an island but it's still America. :cool: Second choice is Alaska, third is Canada.


~Amy

Tyburn
05-07-2010, 07:22 PM
Everyone wants to come here, but nobody seems to like us. :sad: I feel used. :cry: :laugh:

I like you Bonnie :)

I Love Americans...well...some...most of them. I will admit, I doubt I'd like them all. I cant help it...they are generally a lot of fun to be around :laugh:

Bonnie
05-07-2010, 07:26 PM
Yeah, I hear ya. I figure they'll be nice to me as long as they get my tourism dollars. But now, I'm thinking Hawaii is the place for me. It's an island but it's still America. :cool: Second choice is Alaska, third is Canada.


~Amy

I'd like to visit Hawaii and Alaska. I really have no interest in going south of the border at this time--seems dangerous for Americans with all the kidnappings for ransom. I don't know about cruises either (except maybe Alaska). It looks like when something happens to Americans on these cruises, our government never helps their citizens. The ship is treated like a foreign country. I figure there are plenty of neat and beautiful places to visit right here at home. :)

TexasRN
05-07-2010, 07:29 PM
I like you Bonnie :)

I Love Americans...well...some...most of them. I will admit, I doubt I'd like them all. I cant help it...they are generally a lot of fun to be around :laugh:


Dave doesn't like me. :laugh:


~Amy

TexasRN
05-07-2010, 07:31 PM
I'd like to visit Hawaii and Alaska. I really have no interest in going south of the border at this time--seems dangerous for Americans with all the kidnappings for ransom. I don't know about cruises either (except maybe Alaska). It looks like when something happens to Americans on these cruises, our government never helps their citizens. The ship is treated like a foreign country. I figure there are plenty of neat and beautiful places to visit right here at home. :)

I hear too many stories about cruise ships and illness. I would really like to go on a cruise but I doubt I'll ever be able to make myself do it. I hate to vomit. Hate it, hate it, hate it.

I do want to go to Alaska for sure. Hawaii, for sure. Canada looks to be beautiful and quie safe as well. I have been to Mexico and wasn't impressed. Granted it was to Juarez from El Paso but I figure I saw enough there to satisfy my curiousity.


~Amy

Tyburn
05-07-2010, 07:56 PM
Dave doesn't like me. :laugh:


~Amy

:unsure-1: Its not that I dont like you....its more like...im afraid of you :ninja: I know what you're like :mischievous:


:laugh:

Play The Man
05-07-2010, 09:33 PM
Yeah, I hear ya. I figure they'll be nice to me as long as they get my tourism dollars. But now, I'm thinking Hawaii is the place for me. It's an island but it's still America. :cool: Second choice is Alaska, third is Canada.


~Amy

I'd like to visit Hawaii too.

Tyburn
05-07-2010, 09:45 PM
I'd like to visit Hawaii too.

:) can I come with you :w00t:

Play The Man
05-07-2010, 10:12 PM
:) can I come with you :w00t:

Sure . . . but I'll never be that fortunate. I bet my Hawaiian vacation will always have to remain an unrealized dream.

TexasRN
05-07-2010, 10:32 PM
:unsure-1: Its not that I dont like you....its more like...im afraid of you :ninja: I know what you're like :mischievous:


:laugh:


:wink:

~Amy

TexasRN
05-07-2010, 10:36 PM
Sure . . . but I'll never be that fortunate. I bet my Hawaiian vacation will always have to remain an unrealized dream.

I refuse to believe that. Right now I am working on paying everything I own off so that I am debt free. At that point, I WILL go to Hawaii and do it right: the helicopter rides over volcanoes, the beach picnics, the glass bottom boat rides at sunset, etc. My goal is to do this within the next 5 years.

I say, you plan it too and we'll have a forum gathering to celebrate!


~Amy

Play The Man
05-07-2010, 10:38 PM
I refuse to believe that. Right now I am working on paying everything I own off so that I am debt free. At that point, I WILL go to Hawaii and do it right: the helicopter rides over volcanoes, the beach picnics, the glass bottom boat rides at sunset, etc. My goal is to do this within the next 5 years.

I say, you plan it too and we'll have a forum gathering to celebrate!


~Amy

Sounds like a plan.

Tyburn
05-07-2010, 11:04 PM
Sure . . . but I'll never be that fortunate. I bet my Hawaiian vacation will always have to remain an unrealized dream.

Well, its closer for you then it is for me, lets put it that way :sad:

Play The Man
05-08-2010, 09:44 AM
Yes...but in order to meet the terms and conditions for the bailout the Government have to force horrendous financial constraints on the Greeks...and the population are in the midst of riots and the hike in taxes and cuts in spending and the likes...

What use is a Bailout for a Government...if in order to meet the conditions for it, the Government were deposed by its populas :huh:

Also...you're forgetting that there is now just one curency for most of Europe...think of it like a group of people walking along a narrow ledge with a precipice either side. Any one slips, and he falls off...tragic...but if they are all say joined together with rope or chains, then when one of them slips, they risk ALL falling into the abyss...Imagine Mexico being on the verge of collapse, and the United States having to bail out Mexico...would you really want your tax money going to save another countries economy...this could destabilze the currency, and in tern, the whole of Europe :unsure-1:

Our tax money will go to Greece. I heard one estimate today that $8 billion of our tax money will help bail out Greece. Greece needs to make some much needed changes. It is my understanding that Greece has government-funded healthcare and higher education. The average Greek gets 6 weeks of vacation, a generous pension and an earlier retirement age than the U.S. Greeks are not having enough children to sustain their socialism. They are in a demographic death spiral. Margaret Thatcher was correct: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money [to spend]"

Tyburn
05-08-2010, 11:25 AM
Our tax money will go to Greece. I heard one estimate today that $8 billion of our tax money will help bail out Greece. Greece needs to make some much needed changes. It is my understanding that Greece has government-funded healthcare and higher education. The average Greek gets 6 weeks of vacation, a generous pension and an earlier retirement age than the U.S. Greeks are not having enough children to sustain their socialism. They are in a demographic death spiral. Margaret Thatcher was correct: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money [to spend]"

Last I heard it was a European Union Bailout...I dont think the United States are part of that :blink:...

Yes the Greek Economy has been in decline and dangerous water for a long time, but it was the wall street wobble, and possibly the Euro that was the straw to break the camels back so to speak.

As for Maggie...You know that she was the final result after the disasterous last Hung Parliament we had :huh: She arose out of the sort of Chaos that is happening once again right now...she had the guts to do things that would be unpopular for the common good...BUT I dont quite agree with her societal values :laugh:

She also was very much against any type of Single Currency, or Federation in Europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2f8nYMCO2I :w00t:

I wonder how she feels now, being alive to see the future government she prophetically foretold would occure :ninja:

England is in desperate need of another Thatcherite Leader, one who may have to forfit a long and multi-termed office, in order to do what must be done before England ends up just like Greece!...and Thatcher herself would have..and did eventually go that way...doing what was needed for the country ahead of what was needed in order for the public, and indeed her own party to keep her in Office. You know she stood down to avoid/in the midst of, a party Vote of No Confidence....but ultimately she raised England out of the Great Winter of Discontent...

Ironically, Mr Gordon Brown, was the Chancellor of the Exquecker for nearly Ten years under Blairite Labour, he was soleyl responsible for the Economy...he becomes Prime Minister by default, there is a financial disastor, and England is one of the WORST HIT of First World powers. Perhaps Mrs Thatcher was also correct about the Labour ideology on Money...I'm sure that she would have wholley dissaproved of the Lisbon Treaty, and she would indeed have Squarked about how they basically fudged it a second time in order for it to become International Law...She would find a "President of Europe" a Position that now Exists...abhorant, as many of us do. "A Backdoor to a Federal Europe" she said...and twenty years later we are as good as there right now :'(

TexasRN
05-08-2010, 11:49 AM
Dave, the US always sends help. It just isn't talked about in Europe because we're so hated.


~Amy

Tyburn
05-08-2010, 11:54 AM
England is in desperate need of another Thatcherite Leader, one who may have to forfit a long and multi-termed office, in order to do what must be done before England ends up just like Greece!...and Thatcher herself would have..and did eventually go that way...doing what was needed for the country ahead of what was needed in order for the public, and indeed her own party to keep her in Office. You know she stood down to avoid/in the midst of, a party Vote of No Confidence....but ultimately she raised England out of the Great Winter of Discontent...


Vote of No Confidence against Margaret Thatcher

Part One

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6CJWiaaEOU

Part Two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KlY-z_esuk

Part Three

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c3IXYoRrlE

Part Four

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVrYWk4dr5U

She was remarkable...Forget Blair, Cameron....We've Never seen anything like her! This speach is one of her classics...bits that make you fume, bits that make you nearly cry...and bits that have outrageous amounts of laughter within The House :)

I hope when she dies, they honour her with a State Funneral :ninja:

Play The Man
05-08-2010, 11:14 PM
Last I heard it was a European Union Bailout...I dont think the United States are part of that :blink:...

Yes the Greek Economy has been in decline and dangerous water for a long time, but it was the wall street wobble, and possibly the Euro that was the straw to break the camels back so to speak.

As for Maggie...You know that she was the final result after the disasterous last Hung Parliament we had :huh: She arose out of the sort of Chaos that is happening once again right now...she had the guts to do things that would be unpopular for the common good...BUT I dont quite agree with her societal values :laugh:

She also was very much against any type of Single Currency, or Federation in Europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2f8nYMCO2I :w00t:

I wonder how she feels now, being alive to see the future government she prophetically foretold would occure :ninja:

England is in desperate need of another Thatcherite Leader, one who may have to forfit a long and multi-termed office, in order to do what must be done before England ends up just like Greece!...and Thatcher herself would have..and did eventually go that way...doing what was needed for the country ahead of what was needed in order for the public, and indeed her own party to keep her in Office. You know she stood down to avoid/in the midst of, a party Vote of No Confidence....but ultimately she raised England out of the Great Winter of Discontent...

Ironically, Mr Gordon Brown, was the Chancellor of the Exquecker for nearly Ten years under Blairite Labour, he was soleyl responsible for the Economy...he becomes Prime Minister by default, there is a financial disastor, and England is one of the WORST HIT of First World powers. Perhaps Mrs Thatcher was also correct about the Labour ideology on Money...I'm sure that she would have wholley dissaproved of the Lisbon Treaty, and she would indeed have Squarked about how they basically fudged it a second time in order for it to become International Law...She would find a "President of Europe" a Position that now Exists...abhorant, as many of us do. "A Backdoor to a Federal Europe" she said...and twenty years later we are as good as there right now :'(

The U.S. is not making payments directly to Greece; however, we are the largest contributor to the IMF (International Monetary Fund). The IMF is part of the Greece bailout. The U.S. is not paying as much as some European countries - Germany comes to mind - but we are paying indirectly through the IMF. As I mentioned previously, I saw one estimate that U.S. taxpayers will pay out $8 billion for the Greece bailout (indirectly via IMF funding)

Mac
05-09-2010, 04:50 AM
Theres alot of places id like to see , Like the Dakotas , Montana , Colorado , Louisiana and Texas. One of these days i might just go buy me a brand new pickup and see em all.

As for far off lands... Ive always wanted to see Austrailia . Thats probably the only other country id like to visit . Ive had some friends down there since i was little and just always wanted to go . I had an offer once to go to New Zealand but never took the fella up on it.

Tyburn
05-09-2010, 08:10 AM
Theres alot of places id like to see , Like the Dakotas , Montana , Colorado , Louisiana and Texas. One of these days i might just go buy me a brand new pickup and see em all.

As for far off lands... Ive always wanted to see Austrailia . Thats probably the only other country id like to visit . Ive had some friends down there since i was little and just always wanted to go . I had an offer once to go to New Zealand but never took the fella up on it.

Come to England :w00t: I'll look after you Mac! I could show you where I found those strange mushroom things :ninja: I could take you to Bilton Woods,....you cant hunt...firstly because you are not allowed, but mostly because there is nothing left to hunt, there is no wildlife as you would understand it...but the empty forrest is still there...and I'm sure you like walking...and you can still climb the trees I think...well...if you can climb them, I wont climb because I might fall.

...we could have afternoon tea in bettys tea shop also :happydancing: I even have my own spare collapsable bed it pulls out from under my own bed and can be set up...and even moved into the other room...coz people say I snore...but I dont think I do :unsure-1:

Please come and visit me...its not as far as visiting Australia :blink:

Tyburn
05-09-2010, 08:51 AM
The U.S. is not making payments directly to Greece; however, we are the largest contributor to the IMF (International Monetary Fund). The IMF is part of the Greece bailout. The U.S. is not paying as much as some European countries - Germany comes to mind - but we are paying indirectly through the IMF. As I mentioned previously, I saw one estimate that U.S. taxpayers will pay out $8 billion for the Greece bailout (indirectly via IMF funding)

Oh...well, yes I suppose I can understand that.

I know you like Churchill....do you like Maggie also, or were you just bringing it up as a point so to speak?

I thought I'd give you this little gift, you know, the conservatives did go on to win a Forth Term, but it was not under Maggie :unsure-1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRQu5nRDblY

TexasRN
05-09-2010, 11:49 AM
Theres alot of places id like to see , Like the Dakotas , Montana , Colorado , Louisiana and Texas. One of these days i might just go buy me a brand new pickup and see em all.

As for far off lands... Ive always wanted to see Austrailia . Thats probably the only other country id like to visit . Ive had some friends down there since i was little and just always wanted to go . I had an offer once to go to New Zealand but never took the fella up on it.


I could just see you driving all over the country. You better hit the East coast and come visit my mountains here. The Blue Ridge Parkway starts here in NC.

My son told me the other day that he plans to move to Australia and own a huge ranch there before coming back to the states. When he was little, he wanted to go to China. So who knows where he'll end up. :laugh:


~Amy

Jonlion
05-09-2010, 11:54 AM
Greece needs to face up to austerity.

Poor Germans work hard and retire at 65 to pay for huge amounts of public sector workers in Greece who retire at 53. There is a lot oof anger over this and if Greece decide to default then they are in for a lot of pain.

However Germany and China are as much to blame for this economy, they build up huge surplus's and keep inflation down. And where there is surplus, there must be a deficit.

If China and the US don't sort something else soon we are in for trouble.

Moreover the West now lives in the East shadow

cubsfan47
05-09-2010, 02:07 PM
It's all greek to me. :tongue0011: