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Buzzard
05-05-2010, 12:05 AM
Funny what comes out of the closet in spring.

http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2010/05/04/anti-gay-activist-george-reker-outed-after-hiring-male-escort-from-rentboy-com/

Maybe the guy in the following link can make a song for him too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZmHC75FDqQ

NateR
05-05-2010, 12:12 AM
I won't even bother to ask why in the world you would be cruising LGBT websites. :blink:

Anyways, people make mistakes. Maybe someone who struggles with homosexuality is the best person to speak out against the "lifestyle." Just like a recovering drug addict warning kids to stay away from drugs.

Buzzard
05-05-2010, 12:42 AM
I won't even bother to ask why in the world you would be cruising LGBT websites. :blink:

Anyways, people make mistakes. Maybe someone who struggles with homosexuality is the best person to speak out against the "lifestyle." Just like a recovering drug addict warning kids to stay away from drugs.

I wasn't and for you to assume/claim that I was is blatant dishonesty. So are you claiming that the site I linked to is a LGBT website? Do you wonder why this guy was was cruising a LGBT site and ordered up a young lad from this website? The guy is a full blown hypocrite.

County Mike
05-05-2010, 01:06 AM
I don't know what LGBT is and don't plan on looking it up.

I thought this thread was going to be about the new Spring fashions.

flo
05-05-2010, 02:19 AM
I don't know what LGBT is and don't plan on looking it up.

I thought this thread was going to be about the new Spring fashions.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Chuck
05-05-2010, 02:43 AM
I wasn't and for you to assume/claim that I was is blatant dishonesty. So are you claiming that the site I linked to is a LGBT website? Do you wonder why this guy was was cruising a LGBT site and ordered up a young lad from this website? The guy is a full blown hypocrite.

He didn't claim you were and at best he implied or assumed you were. Neither of which can be dishonest. I don't think Nate is "claiming" it's a LGBT website the website clearly says it is. :blink:

I think the bigger question is why would you post this here??? Was it just to keep us up to date on current events or are you looking for a reaction by posting this on a predominately Christian site??? :stirthepot:

Buzzard
05-05-2010, 03:50 AM
He didn't claim you were and at best he implied or assumed you were. Neither of which can be dishonest. I don't think Nate is "claiming" it's a LGBT website the website clearly says it is. :blink:

I think the bigger question is why would you post this here??? Was it just to keep us up to date on current events or are you looking for a reaction by posting this on a predominately Christian site??? :stirthepot:

Chuck, the link which I posted is clearly not a LGBT website. The information in the link I posted tells of the LGBT site that this holy roller hypocrite went to to acquire the services of his male escort. I have no problem with what he does in private, but I do have a problem with his apparent hypocrisy.

I posted this in the politics section due to this guys political stance on certain issues. I won't link the site where this info is due to the fact that minors read this site, and it has a few NSW words in it.

For decades, George Alan Rekers has been a general in the culture wars, though his work has often been behind the scenes. In 1983, he and James Dobson, America's best-known homophobe, formed the Family Research Council, a D.C.-based, rabidly Christian, and vehemently anti-gay lobbying group that has become a standard-bearer of the nation's extreme right wing. Its annual Values Summit is considered a litmus test for Republican presidential hopefuls, and Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter have spoken there. (The Family Research Council would not comment about Rekers's Euro-trip.)

He has also influenced American government, serving in advisory roles with Congress, the White House, and the Department of Health and Human Services and testifying as a state's witness in favor of Florida's gay adoption ban. A former research fellow at Harvard University and a distinguished professor of neuropsychiatry at the University of South Carolina, Rekers has published papers and books by the hundreds, with titles like Who Am I? Lord and Growing Up Straight: What Families Should Know About Homosexuality.

"While he keeps a low public profile, his fingerprints are on almost every anti-gay effort to demean and dehumanize LGBT people," says Wayne Besen, a gay rights advocate in New York City and the executive director of Truth Wins Out, which investigates the anti-gay movement. "His work is ubiquitously cited by lobby groups that work to deny equality to LGBT Americans. Rekers has caused a great deal of harm to gay and lesbian individuals."

Rekers is a board member of the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), an organization that systematically attempts to turn gay people straight. And the Huffington Post recently singled out Rekers as a member of the American College of Pediatricians an official-sounding outfit in Gainesville that purveys lurid, youth-directed literature accusing gays of en masse coprophilia.

Since this topic has a mixture of politics and religion, I felt that I would violate the religion forum if I posted this in there, so instead I would post it here in the politics forum.

I don't see this as a religious site, rather a site about MMA and other related topics along with a forum covering a broad range of topics. Sure there are Christians in here and I'd like to hear their opinions regarding this bit of news.

What do you think Chuck, is this guy a hypocrite?

If anyone wants the link to where I got my quoted information from, PM me or google it.

donaldbreland
05-05-2010, 03:53 AM
Well if you see a black cow you wouldn't call her a white bull would you? This man is a hypocrite as sure is the days are 24 hours long. There is no need for this man to be traveling with a gay boy. He had one thing on his mind and God wasn't it. That's the kind of people that make us Christians look bad.

Buzzard
05-05-2010, 04:16 AM
Well if you see a black cow you wouldn't call her a white bull would you? This man is a hypocrite as sure is the days are 24 hours long. There is no need for this man to be traveling with a gay boy. He had one thing on his mind and God wasn't it. That's the kind of people that make us Christians look bad.

They don't make you look bad, they make themselves look bad.

donaldbreland
05-05-2010, 04:31 AM
We as Christians are supposed to represent God to the best of our abilities. We are not supposed to run around and say we believe and then turn around and sin. This man was going to do something he fought against for so long. To me it's a shame.

NateR
05-05-2010, 02:28 PM
I wasn't and for you to assume/claim that I was is blatant dishonesty. So are you claiming that the site I linked to is a LGBT website?

Don't just take my word for it, read the title banner of the website you linked to. DallasVoice.com refers to itself as "The Premiere Media Source for LGBT Texas." So, how can you claim that it is NOT an LGBT site?

By the way, for those who don't know, LGBT stands for "Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender."

IDo you wonder why this guy was was cruising a LGBT site and ordered up a young lad from this website? The guy is a full blown hypocrite.

He's obviously got some issues of same-sex-attraction that he is still dealing with. Does that make him a hypocrite? Of course it does; but that just puts him in the same boat as every other Christian and non-Christian on the planet.

If he is truly repentant of this act, and not just sorry that he got caught, then we as Christians should support him and pray for him. His sin is no different than a preacher who gets caught cheating on his wife.

donaldbreland
05-05-2010, 08:32 PM
Don't just take my word for it, read the title banner of the website you linked to. DallasVoice.com refers to itself as "The Premiere Media Source for LGBT Texas." So, how can you claim that it is NOT an LGBT site?

By the way, for those who don't know, LGBT stands for "Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender."



He's obviously got some issues of same-sex-attraction that he is still dealing with. Does that make him a hypocrite? Of course it does; but that just puts him in the same boat as every other Christian and non-Christian on the planet.

If he is truly repentant of this act, and not just sorry that he got caught, then we as Christians should support him and pray for him. His sin is no different than a preacher who gets caught cheating on his wife.

Amen to that Nate. Your absolutely right and something I haven't done yet. As a Christian I am learning how to deal with Gods people who don't believe in him. I know now to just pray for them.

Miss Foxy
05-05-2010, 09:15 PM
Very bad and perverted decision on his part. However this does not apply to all Christians. Just like any barrel of apples your gonna have a lot good, and a few bad.

Buzzard
05-05-2010, 10:45 PM
Don't just take my word for it, read the title banner of the website you linked to. DallasVoice.com refers to itself as "The Premiere Media Source for LGBT Texas." So, how can you claim that it is NOT an LGBT site?

By the way, for those who don't know, LGBT stands for "Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender."

Oops. A big apology to you then. I never looked at the heading. I just googled a name and saw the link and read the article. I posted that link due to the fact the original link I saw through another forum had some offensive language. I never would have posted the link I did if I knew where it came from. Please accept my apologies on that.

He's obviously got some issues of same-sex-attraction that he is still dealing with. Does that make him a hypocrite? Of course it does; but that just puts him in the same boat as every other Christian and non-Christian on the planet.

If he is truly repentant of this act, and not just sorry that he got caught, then we as Christians should support him and pray for him. His sin is no different than a preacher who gets caught cheating on his wife.

Yes, I believe there is a difference. The preacher isn't out there trying to make laws denying rights to the females he has cheated with, where this guy has been instrumental in implementing legislation trying to deny rights of LGBT's.

Tyburn
05-06-2010, 12:11 AM
I don't know what LGBT is and don't plan on looking it up.
.

Lesbian, Gay, Bi-Sexual, Transexual

its the collective term used to describe societies or groups of people who are not hetrosexual basically...you especially find them at University Campus Societies.

Chuck
05-06-2010, 06:05 AM
Oops. A big apology to you then. I never looked at the heading.
Ahem.... :D

The preacher isn't out there trying to make laws denying rights to the females he has cheated with, where this guy has been instrumental in implementing legislation trying to deny rights of LGBT's.

What kind of rights?? :huh:

Buzzard
05-06-2010, 07:34 AM
Ahem.... :D



What kind of rights?? :huh:

Oh yeah, apologies to you too Chuck.:) I may be mistaken on his actual involvement in the legislation, was going on what I read in an article. I did read though where he acted as an expert witness for the state of Florida in trying to deny a gay couple from adopting two foster kids. State lost but appealed, waiting for a final answer.

I'm sure if I researched more I could find out more of his political activities and such. I have a problem believing that he didn't know this guy was a male escort.

MattHughesRocks
05-06-2010, 07:56 AM
Buzzard + this thread

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Tyburn
05-06-2010, 12:22 PM
Buzzard + this thread

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e292/skysrock/Smileys/Score0animated.gif

:laugh: here, here! :laugh:

NateR
05-06-2010, 05:22 PM
I did read though where he acted as an expert witness for the state of Florida in trying to deny a gay couple from adopting two foster kids.

Um, where is it written that adopting foster children is a "right"? I'm pretty sure that's not in the Constitution.

Spiritwalker
05-06-2010, 05:45 PM
Um, where is it written that adopting foster children is a "right"? I'm pretty sure that's not in the Constitution.

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the Delecration of Independence... I guess no one is looking down the road to the kids happiness.

NateR
05-06-2010, 05:53 PM
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the Delecration of Independence... I guess no one is looking down the road to the kids happiness.

Well, I don't think that the government should be in the business of trafficking children to begin with. If someone wants to adopt a kid, then that should solely be the business of the child's birth parents or the orphanage that takes care of the child. The government should have no say in it whatsoever.

rearnakedchoke
05-06-2010, 05:58 PM
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the Delecration of Independence... I guess no one is looking down the road to the kids happiness.

some kids may be happier being adopted by a gay couple than being bounced from foster home to foster home ... tough situation .... never an easy topic to talk about ...

Spiritwalker
05-06-2010, 06:02 PM
Well, I don't think that the government should be in the business of trafficking children to begin with. If someone wants to adopt a kid, then that should solely be the business of the child's birth parents or the orphanage that takes care of the child. The government should have no say in it whatsoever.


Great choice of words!!!! Agreed!

Spiritwalker
05-06-2010, 06:04 PM
some kids may be happier being adopted by a gay couple than being bounced from foster home to foster home ... tough situation .... never an easy topic to talk about ...


See I tend to belive that homosexuality is (in at least part).. learned. Can't wait for the heat from that comment


So I don't know that they would be able to agree with that.

rearnakedchoke
05-06-2010, 06:04 PM
Well, I don't think that the government should be in the business of trafficking children to begin with. If someone wants to adopt a kid, then that should solely be the business of the child's birth parents or the orphanage that takes care of the child. The government should have no say in it whatsoever.

i think they need to have control of the rules ... or you would have companies setting up shop and basically selling kids to the highest bidder and not doing proper background checks etc ...

NateR
05-06-2010, 06:13 PM
i think they need to have control of the rules ... or you would have companies setting up shop and basically selling kids to the highest bidder and not doing proper background checks etc ...

Except for the fact that adoption has NEVER proven itself to be a profitable business venture. You might be thinking of slavery which is a completely different "institution."

Tyburn
05-06-2010, 07:15 PM
See I tend to belive that homosexuality is (in at least part).. learned. Can't wait for the heat from that comment


So I don't know that they would be able to agree with that.

How does one "learn" it....and are you saying Hetrosexuality is learned as well :huh:

MattHughesRocks
05-06-2010, 07:39 PM
I agree 100%.You get wacko's ending up with children just because they have money.
On a side note, I remember some years back Rosie ODonnel "returned" a kid she adopted. How messed up must that kid be after that?


i think they need to have control of the rules ... or you would have companies setting up shop and basically selling kids to the highest bidder and not doing proper background checks etc ...

Spiritwalker
05-06-2010, 07:53 PM
How does one "learn" it....and are you saying Hetrosexuality is learned as well :huh:

Well... if you are brought up with drug abusers, booze abusers, you are more likely to abuse yourself...

If you are brought up with physically active parents.. you are more likely to be physically active...

Kids of parents in the preforming arts.. the same...

Now that isn't an exact science.. but it does stand to reason..

Hetro comes across as more "normal"/natural.. or else how would we be here? Contrary to Dr. Ian Malcolm, nature doesn't "find a way". So that stands to reason that homosexualality would be outside of the norm..


So .. there maybe some biological difference.. which I can agree with.. so that doesn't make homosexuality "unnatural"

But I think that when you combine "slight" differences in biological makeup and nurture.. "there you go".

If you bring up boys in an "effiminate" manner.. it's easier to feel that boys/men.. are attractive cause they are attracted to the masculinity...

and the opposite in girls...

So if you have a homosexual couple raising a baby/child.. and they see/exposed to lifestyles that they would be.. then it becomes natural for them.. when in actuality it's nothing but nurture.

Spiritwalker
05-06-2010, 07:54 PM
I agree 100%.You get wacko's ending up with children just because they have money.
On a side note, I remember some years back Rosie ODonnel "returned" a kid she adopted. How messed up must that kid be after that?


prolly only marginally more so than she did to begin with.

there are few public figures I despise more than Rosie O'Donnel. And actually none of it has to do with her sexuality.

NateR
05-06-2010, 08:29 PM
How does one "learn" it....and are you saying Hetrosexuality is learned as well :huh:

I don't think "learned" is necessarily the proper word for it, but I do agree with Spiritwalker that it is not something that people are born with. I think it has more in common with a mental illness than something that is taught.

MattHughesRocks
05-06-2010, 08:43 PM
I either know, or have known, more gay people then an average straight person and the one thing I see they have in common...major issues with their parents.Usually some form of abuse. I don't think that many gay people were born that way.

Spiritwalker
05-06-2010, 08:46 PM
I don't think "learned" is necessarily the proper word for it, but I do agree with Spiritwalker that it is not something that people are born with. I think it has more in common with a mental illness than something that is taught.

well.. I didn't exactly say that... I think people can have a "predisposition".. and it just takes the nurture to finish the job...

I also think that nurture would "counter act" a predisposition as well.

Rev
05-06-2010, 09:10 PM
I either know, or have known, more gay people then an average straight person and the one thing I see they have in common...major issues with their parents.Usually some form of abuse. I don't think that many gay people were born that way.
I have done ALOT of studying and this is more often than not the case. Even the liberals who do research have found this and refuse to publish it. One of the guys on a pretty liberal research team later confessed to this.

MattHughesRocks
05-06-2010, 09:14 PM
I'm not talking about "studies" and "research".I'm talking about people I know on a very personal level.

I have done ALOT of studying and this is more often than not the case. Even the liberals who do research have found this and refuse to publish it. One of the guys on a pretty liberal research team later confessed to this.

Tyburn
05-06-2010, 09:19 PM
I don't think "learned" is necessarily the proper word for it, but I do agree with Spiritwalker that it is not something that people are born with. I think it has more in common with a mental illness than something that is taught.

I know your thoughts on the matter, What I wanted to know was how he thought it was a learned behaviour...I suppose it could be done by some horrendous forced conditioning...but that would be uber extreme

Personallly, I think it has alot more to do with sexualization///let me put it this way...a hetrosexual, though attracted to women, will not be attracted to all women...I think id you can figure out why/how someone forms the natural preferences of what they find sexually attractive...you will find out how/why it can accidently happen in less then the perfered norm...I dont just relate this to homosexuals, or other perversions...I actually think there is a lot of this about in humankind...people think fetishes are mere preferences, and they only pervade in the perversions...thats untrue.

Some people LIKE big boobs...some people, some males, HATE big boobs...What causes THAT distinction...and ask them to change it, and they cant...THAT isnt a learned condition, and its not mental ill health...its not conscious choice, and its not something anyone thinks they can change...

The whole issue is missunderstood because its subdivisions are way to large...I think essentially the fetish/type, is far more important...perhaps its not a case of gay and streight perhaps its more a case of, natural fetish perversion

but a BDSM homosexual and hetrosexual together...and they might have more in common then you think, how did they both come to the scene, and what was the difference between the hetrosexual and homosexual there...I bet therin lies the nurture that pushed one to Same Sexed bondage, and one to a kinky hetrosexual tendancy.

I am of course rulling out the obvious cases where trauma or abuse has led to sexual perversion.


Thats just my own thoughts on the matter...from someone who struggles with these issues daily. Its not a belief ive had or an area ive explored very much so I am not confident in it...but I'm looking outside box for cause and effect in trying to establish a reversal for myself :unsure-1:

in otherwords, I think homosexuality might be an accidental byproduct of a wrongly sexualized perfectly natural fetish. The real issue is not the same sexed attraction, its what went wrong with the original interpretation of a sexual fetish...I dont want to say stimulus because i dont think when we first encounter what later terns us on...its sexual...i think it exists and then somehow becomes sexualized...and that process, going wrong, causes perversion.

Not that ive spent many hours thinking about this or oat :ashamed::laugh:

MattHughesRocks
05-06-2010, 10:04 PM
I'm pretty sure fetishes are a product of childhood issues to but the big boob Vs small boob thing would be more of a preference,not a fetish....with that being said, I am no longer comfortable in this thread :unsure:

Later.

NateR
05-06-2010, 10:27 PM
I'm pretty sure fetishes are a product of childhood issues to but the big boob Vs small boob thing would be more of a preference,not a fetish....

I remember reading that way back in the old days, however long ago that might have been, men who were sexually attracted to women's breasts were seen as somewhat childish or immature in their mindset. Since breasts only exist to nurture babies in their infancy, then the preoccupation with female mammary glands was believed to be something that boys would eventually grow out of as they became men. Now what does that say about the modern American male's fascination with "boobs?" I don't know. Personally, I've always been a hip and leg man, myself.