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04-30-2010, 08:50 PM
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A British Muslim has shown 'no remorse' after desecrating a town's war memorial with extremist Islamic slogans, a court has heard.

But the Crown Prosecution Service has decided that graffiti proclaiming future world domination for Islam, glorifying Osama Bin Laden and calling for the assassination of the British Prime Minister, 'was not religiously or racially motivated'.

Tohseef Shah, 21, admitted a charge of criminal damage to the memorial, outside Burton College in Burton on Trent, when he appeared at Burton Magistrates Court.
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Shah admitted spraying the words 'Islam will dominate the world - Osama is on his way' and 'Kill Gordon Brown' on the plinth of the East Staffordshire Borough Council-owned memorial, on December 10 last year.

He was given a two-year conditional discharge and was ordered to pay 500 compensation to the council, plus 85 costs.

Prosecutor Andrew Bodger said information about Shah and photographs of the graffiti were sent to CPS headquarters in London, for a review by senior lawyers.

They found there was insufficient evidence that the criminal act was racially or religiously motivated - which could have led to a more serious charges and a harsher sentence.

The graffiti was discovered by a council street cleaning manager, who reported the incident and photographed the damage.

The pictures of the desecration were shown in court.

CCTV footage showed two figures spraying the slogans on the memorial. Although they could not be clearly identified, the footage showed one of the vandals discarding the spray can.

Shah, Horninglow, Staffordshire, has no previous convictions.

He was later identified from DNA on the spray can and admitted his actions.

Mr Bodger said: 'Shah wouldn't give an explanation as to why he had done it and had shown no remorse for this very sensitive matter.

'The words were cleaned off without difficulty at a cost of 500.

'The CPS specialist unit was sent the pictures, as well as his mobile phone records, to see if there was a racially or religiously motivated connotation.

'It was decided there was not enough evidence to prove this, and they decided it was politically motivated. It has caused great offence to the community.'

Defending solicitor Mumtaz Chaudry dismissed any belief that Shah held extremist views.

He said: 'This is nothing to do with his religious beliefs, his family's beliefs or his cultural beliefs. He is just an ordinary guy.

'He is remorseful but, at the time of his interview, he was simply answering questions and didn't realise that was the right time to show remorse.

'He has no extremist views, his action doesn't help the bad reaction in the community.

'It was uncalled for, but we make mistakes. It was a stupid mistake and he is determined not to repeat it.'

Presiding magistrate Vivien Patterson told Shah: 'This was a mistake, but I hope this is the first and last mistake you will make.

'Although the damage is in the lower band, we view this in the upper end because it was highly visible to the community, in the town centre.

'Your conditional discharge for two years means if you come back here again for another offence, you will be charged with this offence too.'


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"This was a mistake." No, sir, it was a crime. A mistake is when you get a wrong total when performing long division. A mistake is when you speak a malapropism. When you deface a War Memorial with grafitti with death threats, glorification of an enemy and a threat of world domination, you have committed a crime.

donaldbreland
04-30-2010, 09:04 PM
This just sickens me. Go ahead Buzzard defend them this time.

flo
04-30-2010, 09:31 PM
Sick, sick, sick.

rockdawg21
04-30-2010, 10:32 PM
This just sickens me. Go ahead Buzzard defend them this time.
LOL Pwned

Buzzard
05-01-2010, 12:38 AM
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"This was a mistake." No, sir, it was a crime. A mistake is when you get a wrong total when performing long division. A mistake is when you speak a malapropism. When you deface a War Memorial with grafitti with death threats, glorification of an enemy and a threat of world domination, you have committed a crime.

Clearly it was religiously motivated.

This just sickens me. Go ahead Buzzard defend them this time.

There is no defense in that. Surely you have the intelligence to know that I wouldn't defend a criminal action don't you? I'm not giving you too much credit am I? At least show some common sense.

LOL Pwned

Yep, you sure were rockdawg21. You and Donald fell from the same tree and hit the stupid branches on the way down. Hopefully you can see the joke in the play on words. If not, explaining it won't help.

donaldbreland
05-01-2010, 12:39 AM
Before you come in here and get all mad Buzzard. I just want you to know I love you and I was only joking. K

rockdawg21
05-01-2010, 03:55 PM
Before you come in here and get all mad Buzzard. I just want you to know I love you and I was only joking. K
I wasn't joking. :laugh:

donaldbreland
05-01-2010, 06:02 PM
Yep, you sure were rockdawg21. You and Donald fell from the same tree and hit the stupid branches on the way down. Hopefully you can see the joke in the play on words. If not, explaining it won't help.


The only one stupid here is you Buzzard. Don't worry though I feel a big change in your life. I will continue to pray for you. Remember I love you and God has his arms wide open for you. Stupidity is not a sin. Not accepting your Christ is.

rockdawg21
05-01-2010, 06:44 PM
Yep, you sure were rockdawg21. You and Donald fell from the same tree and hit the stupid branches on the way down. Hopefully you can see the joke in the play on words. If not, explaining it won't help.
LOL, ok. I'm just trying to kiss NateR's butt. Add me to the list of NateR butt kissers please. We're still waiting for that list...

Buzzard
05-01-2010, 07:57 PM
The only one stupid here is you Buzzard. Don't worry though I feel a big change in your life. I will continue to pray for you. Remember I love you and God has his arms wide open for you.

Real nice. Send me a PM last night 2 minutes after I reply to your calling me out that says you are only joking, and then come back with this drivel calling me stupid because I defended myself from your asinine comment. The reason I said you fell from the tree and hit the stupid branches was because of your asinine statement to me. I see you didn't even get the play on words, so explaining it you will be of no avail. You then have the nerve in the same post to try and preach to me. Let me explain it to you, your Christ isn't my Christ. I have no Christ. You will be disappointed when your "feeling a big change in my life" doesn't come to fruition as you would expect.

Stupidity is not a sin. Not accepting your Christ is. Good for you stupidity isn't a sin because you would be on your knees for the rest of your life repenting.:wink:

If God has his arms wide open to me, why doesn't he just give me a big hug to convince me that he is real?

LOL, ok. I'm just trying to kiss NateR's butt.

TMI.

Add me to the list of NateR butt kissers please. We're still waiting for that list...

Only an idiot would be.:wink: At least you're still being kept in suspense.:)

donaldbreland
05-01-2010, 08:32 PM
This was my pm to buzzard.

I know we don't agree all the time. I was only joking brother. I like you even if you do say some offensive things lol.

That was before you insulted me by calling me stupid. I just couldn't go back and change the pm to you. Your best defense is insults.

I am supposed to love my enemy or my neighbor as I love myself. I do love you. I want you to know that. If you ever want to talk about it pm me.

donaldbreland
05-01-2010, 08:39 PM
Good for you stupidity isn't a sin because you would be on your knees for the rest of your life repenting.:wink:

If God has his arms wide open to me, why doesn't he just give me a big hug to convince me that he is real?



I will be on my knees praying to our God for the rest of my life. That's certain. Only the devil is making you say those harsh statements about people. I understand what you're going through right now. I have been there myself. I was living a life feeling like I am the only one doing for myself until I realized that something wasn't right. I went from making $128,000 a year to making nothing in one month. I had my priorities in the wrong places and almost lost my wife and kids. I know from first hand experience that I can not do anything without Gods power on earth. I am not trying to preach to you. I will respect you from this day forward by not speaking about God to you if you can respect my God by not talking down to him.

J.B.
05-01-2010, 08:40 PM
If God has his arms wide open to me, why doesn't he just give me a big hug to convince me that he is real?


Because it is you who must embrace God.

If you really look around you everyday though, you will see that God does do things to show you he is there.

donaldbreland
05-01-2010, 08:46 PM
See I think you have this all messed up Buzzard. Satan is the god of the earth. It's in the Bible. All these storms and earthquakes happening isn't the work of God. Jesus rebuked a storm while he was on a sea one day. Jesus wouldn't rebuke his daddy. He rebuked Satan. So what ever problem you have with God is probably because you don't understand or comprehend the Bible. The bible is real. It can not be dis proven. You can not show me proof that the Bible is fake. I challenge you to try it? First read it then tell me what you think.

Buzzard
05-01-2010, 08:58 PM
This was my pm to buzzard.

I know we don't agree all the time. I was only joking brother. I like you even if you do say some offensive things lol.

That was before you insulted me by calling me stupid. I just couldn't go back and change the pm to you. Your best defense is insults.

Wrong, look at the time stamps. My post was stamped at 8:38 PM and your PM was stamped at 08:40 PM.

You think I should let you take cheap shots at me and my character and not say something in return. My reply to you was a play on words, hence a joke, which you still don't get. My best defense is my intelligence, which I clearly use to my advantage when dealing with you.


I am supposed to love my enemy or my neighbor as I love myself. I do love you. I want you to know that. If you ever want to talk about it pm me.

Tell you what, you quit calling me out on BS stuff and I won't resort to defending myself.

donaldbreland
05-01-2010, 08:59 PM
a whole 2 minutes. Do you think I maybe didn't read it until afterwards. Wow.

donaldbreland
05-01-2010, 09:03 PM
Wrong, look at the time stamps. My post was stamped at 8:38 PM and your PM was stamped at 08:40 PM.

You think I should let you take cheap shots at me and my character and not say something in return. My reply to you was a play on words, hence a joke, which you still don't get. My best defense is my intelligence, which I clearly use to my advantage when dealing with you.




Tell you what, you quit calling me out on BS stuff and I won't resort to defending myself.

Good one Cletus. I don;t know how I am going to defend that. How about this? I know you're intelligent. You come across as someone that knows a lot about certain subjects but son you know nothing about God and that scares me. My job is to continue my prayers for you. My job is to continue my love for you. I am not trying to be funny or insulting. See you're refusing my love like you're refusing Gods love. The only problem is with me I can't send you to hell. Do you believe in Satan?

Buzzard
05-01-2010, 09:12 PM
I will be on my knees praying to our God for the rest of my life. That's certain. Only the devil is making you say those harsh statements about people.

What harsh statements are you talking about? You called me out and I answered. Since I don't believe in your God, it also goes that I don't believe in your devil either.

I understand what you're going through right now. I have been there myself. I was living a life feeling like I am the only one doing for myself until I realized that something wasn't right. I went from making $128,000 a year to making nothing in one month. I had my priorities in the wrong places and almost lost my wife and kids. I know from first hand experience that I can not do anything without Gods power on earth. I am not trying to preach to you. I will respect you from this day forward by not speaking about God to you if you can respect my God by not talking down to him.

We are different. I don't need your God in my life because I don't believe in him. I don't think it is real. I don't believe that my saying I don't believe in your God is talking down to him. I respect your belief, but I still don't believe in what you do.

What do you think I am going through right now? I'm curious.

I you wish to not speak to me about your God, that is fine. You can if you wish but just remember that we have differing opinions about that. I've been trying not to bring God up in here unless it is brought up to me first.

You put me on the defensive and my posts have reflected that with my harsh tone. Sorry about that.

Because it is you who must embrace God.

If you really look around you everyday though, you will see that God does do things to show you he is there.

Tried it, but it didn't work for me. I haven't and don't see what you are talking about. It's not for a lack of looking on my part, I just don't share the same beliefs that you do. If it works for you, great, enjoy your walk. I sincerely mean that.

donaldbreland
05-01-2010, 09:22 PM
Tried it, but it didn't work for me. I haven't and don't see what you are talking about. It's not for a lack of looking on my part, I just don't share the same beliefs that you do. If it works for you, great, enjoy your walk. I sincerely mean that.

I bet you tried it expecting God to just change your life in the blink of an eye. It doesn't work that way. You have to believe in him and trust him and accept that he knows what he's doing with your life. A lot of people accept the evil of this world and just find it easier not to accept God. A lot of times that comes from Christians scaring God out of people instead of putting the fear of God in them. See my job is not to force you to believe in God. my job is to lead by example and show you the fruits of my labor. My job is to not force anything upon you but to pray for you. That's what I have been doing and I will continue to do. I can't change you. You have to change yourself. I realized this almost 2 years ago now. I believed in God but didn't accept him. I wanted to live with my evil ways. Things were becoming hard in my life and it wasn't until I lifted my head and accepted God that my life has changed.

Buzzard
05-01-2010, 09:24 PM
Good one Cletus. I don;t know how I am going to defend that. How about this? I know you're intelligent. You come across as someone that knows a lot about certain subjects but son you know nothing about God and that scares me.

I actually know more than you think. I would bet that I have read the Bible more times than you, and studied more religion as a child than you too. I don't need to know much about what I consider a myth, but why do you think I don't believe? It's because I have read the Bible and I have done my own research for my own benefit.

My job is to continue my prayers for you. My job is to continue my love for you. I am not trying to be funny or insulting. See you're refusing my love like you're refusing Gods love. The only problem is with me I can't send you to hell. Do you believe in Satan?

Again, pray for me if you wish. I don't wish to deny you of what you believe in. That is not denying your love. As for refusing God's love, I cannot accept what I don't believe in. Tell you what, I accept it. Wait a minute, wait a minute, nothing has changed.:wink:

Of course I don't believe in Satan. Our beliefs are similar, only I believe in one less God than you do.

Have a good night, I have to get ready to go to a car show if I can pry myself away from here.

P.S. I'm probably old enough to be your pappy, definitely your older brother, so the son thing doesn't work.:wink:

donaldbreland
05-01-2010, 09:27 PM
Can I ask you serious question? Have you ever had an incident in life where you tried to accept God but thought that he didn't exist because the tragedy happened. (it could be someone dieing that was close to you or someone now is extremely sick). Jesus can heal anything. You don't need a doctor if you truly believe. I am not asking you to test God because that's wrong.

Matthew Chapter 4 verse 7
7Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'[c]

If you would like to continue in pm that's fine. I am sorry for offending you. I have problems still and I am not perfect. I just feel like somethings wrong here. I still would like to know the reasoning why you don;t believe in God. It sure seems you wanted to before. That's the devil denying you're rights to God.

Blade
05-01-2010, 09:40 PM
This bastard needs to be put in the stocks and force-fed a bacon sandwich dripping with fat whilst being publicly flogged. And then he should be deported back to the sh*t-hole he crawled out from.

mscomc
05-01-2010, 10:05 PM
This bastard needs to be put in the stocks and force-fed a bacon sandwich dripping with fat whilst being publicly flogged. And then he should be deported back to the sh*t-hole he crawled out from.

This guy is with out a doubt a loser, but in terms of being deported "back"...I have been reading reports that he was born and raised in Leicester....so Leicester is a sh*t hole? hmmm, now I know.

Blade
05-01-2010, 10:24 PM
This guy is with out a doubt a loser, but in terms of being deported "back"...I have been reading reports that he was born and raised in Leicester....so Leicester is a sh*t hole? hmmm, now I know.

Actually yes, Leicester is a sh*t-tip. And I don't care where this pyjama-clad stinkrat was born and raised, he's not English and there is no place for Islam or people like him in my country, so this silly bearded tool and all of his kind should be sent back to Pakistan where they belong, and there they can do whatever they like.

Tyburn
05-02-2010, 05:47 PM
:sad: he basically got away with it didnt he.

Do you know what I would have done :huh: I'd have cut off both his hands :laugh: Even Sharia Law has its benefits at times


Could you imagine what the Islamists would do...if a Christian did something like that on the side of a Mosque :huh: Good job it didnt happen in Bradford...or else there would be riots right now...it happened in a part of the country where he is a minoirty and noone really cares...but had it happened in some places...there would have been no need for a trial I dont think.

There known as lynch mobs :laugh:

Did I hear he was born in Leicster? Yep...Leicster or Bradford...he's going to be an extremist.

Tyburn
05-02-2010, 05:51 PM
This guy is with out a doubt a loser, but in terms of being deported "back"...I have been reading reports that he was born and raised in Leicester....so Leicester is a sh*t hole? hmmm, now I know.

You dont know much about the Islamic Majority Cities in England do you. :huh: Namely Bradford, and Leicster (Though Leicster is more multifaith then Bradford, where its pretty much Islam V Christianity)

Ever lived in one of those Cities during 9/11 or the Invasion of Iraq :huh:

Stop being smart.

mscomc
05-02-2010, 08:04 PM
You dont know much about the Islamic Majority Cities in England do you. :huh: Namely Bradford, and Leicster (Though Leicster is more multifaith then Bradford, where its pretty much Islam V Christianity)

Ever lived in one of those Cities during 9/11 or the Invasion of Iraq :huh:

Stop being smart.

You really are incredible you know that (did you detect my sarcasm?)

Blade said this guy should be "deported" back to where he came from (more or less). To deport someone means they are not from the region, and are immigrants. This particular vandal, from what I have read in the news reports was BORN AND RAISED in england. Therefore, there is no where to deport him back too, he is in his home country!!!! I am pointing out Blades stereotype that is all. Stop reading so much into it. And it was more a joke than anything else. :wacko:

And for your information you wise guy, I was old enough during start of the second iraq war to remember punk racist hillbillies calling me foul names, and racial slurs simply because I have darker skin and am of indo-south african descent. Dont try to lecture me one "living in one of those Cities during 9/11 or the Invasion of Iraq"

Neezar
05-02-2010, 09:00 PM
You really are incredible you know that (did you detect my sarcasm?)

Blade said this guy should be "deported" back to where he came from (more or less). To deport someone means they are not from the region, and are immigrants. This particular vandal, from what I have read in the news reports was BORN AND RAISED in england. Therefore, there is no where to deport him back too, he is in his home country!!!! I am pointing out Blades stereotype that is all. Stop reading so much into it. And it was more a joke than anything else. :wacko:

And for your information you wise guy, I was old enough during start of the second iraq war to remember punk racist hillbillies calling me foul names, and racial slurs simply because I have darker skin and am of indo-south african descent. Dont try to lecture me one "living in one of those Cities during 9/11 or the Invasion of Iraq"

Did you know these people personally? And what exactly was it that made them hillbillies?

Talk about your stereo type. :rolleyes:

:laugh:

Neezar
05-02-2010, 09:03 PM
Wrong, look at the time stamps. My post was stamped at 8:38 PM and your PM was stamped at 08:40 PM.

You think I should let you take cheap shots at me and my character and not say something in return. My reply to you was a play on words, hence a joke, which you still don't get. My best defense is my intelligence, which I clearly use to my advantage when dealing with you.




Tell you what, you quit calling me out on BS stuff and I won't resort to defending myself.


:happy0198:

Tyburn
05-02-2010, 09:39 PM
1) You really are incredible you know that (did you detect my sarcasm?)

2) Blade said this guy should be "deported" back to where he came from (more or less). To deport someone means they are not from the region, and are immigrants. This particular vandal, from what I have read in the news reports was BORN AND RAISED in england. Therefore, there is no where to deport him back too, he is in his home country!!!! I am pointing out Blades stereotype that is all. Stop reading so much into it. And it was more a joke than anything else. :wacko:

3) And for your information you wise guy, I was old enough during start of the second iraq war to remember punk racist hillbillies calling me foul names, and racial slurs simply because I have darker skin and am of indo-south african descent

4) Dont try to lecture me one "living in one of those Cities during 9/11 or the Invasion of Iraq"

1) if you say so :ashamed:

2) Then his own country should have the right to disown him. You attack us when you break our laws, IMHO you should then forfit your right as a citizen, because citizens follow the rules, those rules do not involve writing messages of hate, or calling for the countries leader to be assassinated. He belongs behind bars.. Whilst I do not condone, nor agree with Blade, I do empathize with how he feels. Perhaps we should do what we used to do with people we didnt want living in the country...and deport them to the Collonies. Perhaps Canada would like to play host to him :huh: as a member of the Commonwealth, subject still to the Crown (ohh yes you are :laugh: ) After all, you seem to stick up for him.

3) then you missed my point entirely. I was talking about being White and Christian, and living in an Islamic city for all intense and purposes...I was talking about the people who would usually be the majority...in the minority, and surrounded by people who have been for want of a better word, demonized.

I was not talking about being classified as islamic, or being bullied because you look foreign. I was talking about being a minority, in a country where people like you are the majority....I suppose it might be like putting a person from Canada, in French Canadian Terrirtory at a time where the French Prime minister gets shot by a Canadian....in a word...Awkward.

4) Are you a white Christian, living in an Islamic City, when their nation attacks yours, and then your nation attacks theres?

I could always move on to ask you if you've actually lived in a city whilst it has been attacked by terrorist? Yes...just my luck (Bradford 2000-2003, and then London 2003-2005...just in time for the 7/7 bombings) but I thought that might be a lecture too far :laugh:

Buzzard
05-02-2010, 09:51 PM
:happy0198:

At least I can spell stereotype! :laugh:

Did you know these people personally? And what exactly was it that made them hillbillies?

Talk about your stereo type. :rolleyes:

:laugh:

Tyburn
05-02-2010, 09:54 PM
At least I can spell stereotype! :laugh:

thank goodness you can get something right :laugh:

Blade
05-02-2010, 10:15 PM
Blade said this guy should be "deported" back to where he came from (more or less). To deport someone means they are not from the region, and are immigrants. This particular vandal, from what I have read in the news reports was BORN AND RAISED in england. Therefore, there is no where to deport him back too, he is in his home country!!!! I am pointing out Blades stereotype that is all.

If he's English then I'm the Queen of Sheba.

mscomc
05-02-2010, 10:38 PM
Did you know these people personally? And what exactly was it that made them hillbillies?

Talk about your stereo type. :rolleyes:

:laugh:


Acutally I did. But that was a nice pickup....:laugh:

Well they use to watch Beverl Hillbillies, does that count?

mscomc
05-02-2010, 10:39 PM
If he's English then I'm the Queen of Sheba.

pleasure to meet you, YOUR MAJESTY :laugh:

Tyburn
05-02-2010, 11:05 PM
If he's English then I'm the Queen of Sheba.

:laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TGKJ9MgCOQ