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Tyburn
04-23-2010, 07:09 PM
At about Two weeks to go! I now have my pole card for both the Local and National Government Ellections.

The Local is quite funny because obviously all those hoping to get ellected onto the Harrogate Borough Council (and gain a seat possibly in Westminster) have been leafleting continually. At the moment our Minister for Parliament in Phil Willis. He is a Liberal Democrat (often symbolised by the colour yellow or orange) we've been Lib Dem for a long time...but he's retireing...he claims on health grounds...but he was mentioned in the exspenses scandel, because he thought it alright to claim my taxes for paying his duaghters tuition fees or her house rent or something bizzare like that.

His replacement would be Claire Kelly

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Labour which is supposed to be the Left Wing symbolised by the colour Red...well if they even have a candidate running for the locals...:laugh:

The Tory Party symbolised by the colour blue...they have a Councilor ready..

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But the one that interests me...is some kinda nationalist (but not as bad as BNP...largely on a par with UKIP though) candidate...take a look at his flier!

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:laugh:

Tyburn
04-23-2010, 07:38 PM
Meanwhile on the National Stage...whilst only two parties have a possibility of an outright majority, there is a smaller third party that would become essential in the event that neither of the two main parties can win a majority.

Analysists believe that neither can at this present time.

At Present we have the unellected Scot (Gordon Brown) former Chancellor of the Exchequer (in otherwords Treasurer) for the Ten years under Tony Blair...he inherited the position by default when Tony left. The Liberal Democrats have already said that if Labour win without a majority, in order for them to gain any support from the third party, Brown must step aside as Prime Minister...they will not work in coorperation with him.

Then there is David Cameron, leader of the Tory party...often viewed as a bit snobish, but increadible wit in Parliament. I believe he would make a reasonable Prime Minister, possibly not fantastic, but certainly better then Brown.

The Third party is the Liberal Democrats, these are the ever fixed Centrist party, who in the event of a lack of clear majority, would be asked to join one side in a hung, or coillision Parliament. This party is gaining major support at present, its their rise in popularity that may stop one of the two larger parties winning the majority...so far...so good. The Liberals often upset people because they believe in higher taxes...but what isnt followed is that those taxes, higher though they are, are aimed more at the wealthy. Lets put it this way. At present you have to pay tax on everything over 6K earned per year. 8K is around the minimum for part time, so everyone, pays tax. More to the point, everyone pays the same ammount, around a quarter. This obviously means that though the sums for the rich are more, the impact in terms of living, is worst for those who have little to begin with. The Lib Dems say they would hike the Tax rate...but wouldnt tax anything until the 10K a year is reached.

I earn 11k per year...so being frankly, poor, I would hardly have to pay any taxes if they came to power, or pushed for it in a hung parliament. I would only pay a quarter on that 1K a year :happydancing:

Now...The other parties are interesting because they are not fighting for an ellection win, they are fighting in order to win enough local ellections to qualify for seats in Westminster...then they can grow, then they can contend...until that time they are a local area issue only. Most of these parties will NEVER get into Westminster...but several are large enough that with a searge they might just make it

One is the Green Party, and Environmental Group, the other two are Nationalist Groups...whilst both these groups do not have seats in the House of Commons, they have enough in the Local Councils to be a threat in terms of gaining seats in the future..and they are both BIGGER forces in the European Parliament then ANY of the Rulling parties in England itself. Fancy...Two Nationalist Groups dont qualify in their own Government on a National Level...but represent the country larger then the Government on an International Level!

These parties are known as The United Kingdom Independance Party, which is seen as an Anti-Europe group thats Nationalistic and right wing...but not dangerous. and The British Nationalist Party. The BNP whilst its morphing to try and become more politically correct (if you pardon the pun) are generally viewed as being Nationalistic to the point of Facist. They do on a local level use issues of ethnicity to insight distruptions, and violence. They do use naughty tactics like spreading lies and fear in order to get the vote. These people are a lighted fuse in places like Bradford.

In short, its expected that on a local level, the Nationalistic parties might win enough to begin in Parliament...which could in the future spell the return of a true right wing nationalist party. Its expected in the General level, that the Liberal Democrats will win enough votes to prevent either major party from winning the ellection enough to form a Government...in which case, either the Liberal Democrats will join/side with one of the two groups, and form a coillision Government...or they will refuse to join and flit between the two, basically all three parties will be in power at the same time, the two presenting ideas, and the Liberal Democrats deciding on a case by case basis, which to add their vote to.

flo
04-23-2010, 07:55 PM
Thanks for all the info, Dave! Did you watch the debate yesterday? I caught some of it late last night (early this morning, really :-), and it was interesting and very lively. I am hoping for the Tory candidate too, naturally. He seems very presentable and up to snuff.

Tyburn
04-23-2010, 08:22 PM
Thanks for all the info, Dave! Did you watch the debate yesterday? I caught some of it late last night (early this morning, really :-), and it was interesting and very lively. I am hoping for the Tory candidate too, naturally. He seems very presentable and up to snuff.

I'm glad you enjoyed...and I hope you dont take to heart what i'm about to say... :ashamed:


:ashamed: No. I havent watched any of the Debates... We have never done debates like that before...thats the sort of thing the Americans do (no offense meant) alot of us cant understand why they are bothering to do it. :laugh: Usually party political broadcasts...websites, and leaflets, along with perhaps appearing on "Question Time" or visiting and holding a rally is more the British way...TV Debates have always been considered Anglo-American...Dont take this the wrong way...but less then three years ago an Ellection would have been won on which party could prove to be the least likely to suck up to, and follow American Foreign Policy...by Emulating the Americans...and they have...I mean...the Tory party are speaking about CHANGE...just like Barack Obama...and by staging these Debates...it shows how out of touch the Central Government has become...luckily the times have moved on. Obama and Brown dont get on half as well as Blair and Bush...and the wall street wobble has halted any Foreign Policy issues...so the public dont care about the emulation anymore...its seen now as an interesting experiement and possibly a modernization of the democratic process...no harm done if it also happens to go on in America...whereas two years ago it would have been a case of, this is downright copying of America, and whoevers idea it was, they will looose my vote over it because even in a soverign ellection they have to copy and follow the United States, and we are English, not American...even if our Soverign Government is pretending to be a State Government in the American Federation :laugh:

I would like David Cameron to become Prime Minister...but I shall be Voting for The Liberal Democrats...in the hope that my vote stops the Tory party from winning an outright majority...because I like David Cameron (the man) but I am far more in aggreement, and could do with the tax benefits, that the Liberal Democrats would force through in the event of a Hung or Coillision parliament.

In terms of the Local Ellections...I might actually show my disgust and disdain by supporting a Nationalistic party, or candidate like Upix or whatever his name was...whilst I like Liberal Democrats in the locals...I was really mad Phil Willis was named in the expenses Scandal.

If David Cameron does something to really piss me off, and im really angry in two weeks...again, the same thing might happen. At My Heart I am NOT Racist...but I am actually quite Nationalistic...I'm a Royalist, I consider myself English (not British, Not European) and I get on best with Republican Americans...you know...Right of Centre...but not Fascist...thats kinda where I am in absolute truth...but the Nationalistic parties are all too dangerous, radical, and they carry all the racist baggage of a neo-nazi...and that I cant Condone. UKIP is the furthest I could ever go even if enraged...I could never go BNP...even saying it...makes one feel. Dirty. :unsure-1:

flo
04-23-2010, 11:43 PM
Very interesting! I wouldn't take offense; after all, we're just two countries separated by a common language. :laugh:

But I'm surprised you're favoring Clegg, he's the British Obama, eh?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE63L5SL20100422?sp=true

Tyburn
04-24-2010, 12:11 AM
Very interesting! I wouldn't take offense; after all, we're just two countries separated by a common language. :laugh:

But I'm surprised you're favoring Clegg, he's the British Obama, eh?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE63L5SL20100422?sp=true

:laugh: No...Technically speaking Gordon Brown is supposed to be the British Obama...because The Democrats are Left Wing...and Labour Party is supposed to be Left Wing.

But Obama actually isnt that far Left wing compared to the general political spectrum. He's on a par with what the rest of us call Centrism. Thats what the Liberal Democrats are...Labour is supposed to be much further left...you understand Labour is an offshoot of the Social Democrats...that actually WERE Socialist.

He may also be doing pretty much as I outlined above...and basically emulating America...it got Barack into the White House, perhaps the same will boost Him...and its a televised Debate...what debate do you suppose the leaders watched to prepare for it :laugh:

The best news is though...he has no hope of winning himself. but he CAN become THE major influence in the next Government IF he can stop either one of the others from gaining a majority. So I dont favour him to win. I think the Tory party will win BUT...I dont want the Tory Party to win a majority...I want to force them to work with the Liberal Democrats against Labour in a coillision...so I'm giving my vote to One party, hoping that the other party win, but forcing a union between parties...do you follow?

Im glad you didnt take offense, please note the bold section above...it will help explain what me...and loads of people, are trying to do.. :ashamed:

Tyburn
04-27-2010, 01:17 PM
More local ellection flyers, we've got the BNP and Labour :laugh:

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Churchill was Tory not BNP :blink:

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County Mike
04-27-2010, 01:45 PM
I thought you just had to pull a sword out of a rock.

Tyburn
04-27-2010, 06:01 PM
I thought you just had to pull a sword out of a rock.

:laugh: thats to become king :laugh:

This Ellection has nothing to do with Head of State :ninja: Our Head of State is not Democratically Ellected.

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She is soon to be our Longest Reigning, and Oldest Monarch in a Family that goes back nearly 1,500 year...and a lineage that goes back nearly 2,500 years..we think :ninja::laugh: