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Play The Man
04-08-2010, 02:33 AM
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/07/breaking-attempted-terror-attack-on-u-s-flight-thwarted/

All I’ve got so far is Twitter reports from CNN and NBC (via Breaking News) reporting that a guy tried to detonate explosives by lighting a fuse in his shoes on a flight from D.C. to Denver. Gabe Malor, who has his own source and who actually had this story posted before the news services did, has more details claiming that the alleged perp has a diplomatic passport from Qatar, but I haven’t seen that confirmed anywhere else.

Stand by for updates, needless to say.

Update: CNN now backtracking, saying all they’ve confirmed so far is an “airport disturbance.” If you’re wondering whether Reagan National Airport has the new full-body scanners that were rolled out after Abdulmutallab’s attempted attack, the answer apparently is affirmative.

Update: Your alleged bomber is Mohammed al-Modadi.

Authorities say an explosive team is on the way to the airport, and that while the presence of explosives has not yet been confirmed, they believe it was an attempted “shoe bomb.”

The suspect was identified by authorities as a diplomat in the Qatar embassy in Washington, Mohammed al Modadi. The FBI said the man had full diplomat immunity as the 3rd secretary and vice-consul.

Fighter jets were scrambled to escort the plane in. If not for the air marshals on board who tackled him…

Update: NBC has a story up too but without much detail. Note this:

The latest incident comes a week after the United States announced new security measures to replace the mandatory screening of air travelers from 14 countries that had angered some allies when it was imposed after a failed bombing on Christmas Day.

The measures were designed to significantly reduce the number of passengers pulled aside for additional screening and will not be based on nationality or passport, but on characteristics pulled together by intelligence agencies.

Well, Qatar wasn’t among the 14 countries designated for special screening and in any case this flight originated from inside the U.S., not abroad.

flo
04-08-2010, 02:42 AM
Holy cow! This guy was a diplomat!

Update from our local news (Seattle)

Al Modadi had full diplomatic immunity as the third secretary and vice-consul, the FBI told ABC News

http://www.komonews.com/news/90168112.html

Thanks for the story, PTM, first I heard about this incident. Interesting how this happens during our lively debate in the Political Section...

Bonnie
04-08-2010, 02:55 AM
Our men and women are over in Iraq and Afghanistan putting their lives on the line in the war on terrorism, and we just let them walk right on in to the country with their diplomatic immunity. This is the kind of stuff that just reconfirms to me it's not a matter of "if" we will be attacked again on our own soil on the scale of or greater than 9/11, but it's just a matter of "when" and "where".

Black Mamba
04-08-2010, 03:14 AM
Our men and women are over in Iraq and Afghanistan putting their lives on the line in the war on terrorism, and we just let them walk right on in to the country with their diplomatic immunity. This is the kind of stuff that just reconfirms to me it's not a matter of "if" we will be attacked again on our own soil on the scale of or greater than 9/11, but it's just a matter of "when" and "where".

I concur.

And sadly, I think the next attack is going to be worse than 9/11. I've read online that the higher peeps are concerned about nuclear threats. I seriously think we shouldn't be all that concerned about nuclear or dirty bombs. It's important, but we (US) should be even more concerned about chemical and biological attacks. It is SO EASY to make chemicals, and obtain nasty biological agents. Not to mention a heck of lot cheaper.

Think about it: most of our labs in the US don't have the best of security. It be easy to walk in, snatch some stuff, and walk out. Shoot, I was able to snatch some small vials HCL, Nitric Acid, and Acetic acid in my freshman year. But we have a no fly zone over a stadium during the Super Bowl, but no no fly zones over nuclear power plants. Go figure that.

Play The Man
04-08-2010, 03:33 AM
Update: On MSNBC, Pete Williams says they haven’t found any explosives in his shoes yet and thinks it might be a huge misunderstanding. Supposedly al-Modadi got up to use the bathroom around 30 minutes before the flight landed; he was in there for awhile and when he came out an air marshal smelled smoke. When the marshal asked him what he was doing in the bathroom, al-Modadi supposedly said, “I was trying to light my shoes on fire.” In fact, he might have simply been having a cigarette and responding sarcastically, which I guess the marshal didn’t pick up on. Again, this is all from Williams. I’ll update when I see something contradictory. Incidentally, until a few minutes ago, MSNBC.com’s own headline for this story was “NBC News: Airline bombing foiled.” Now it’s “NBC: Passenger subdued aboard United jet.”

Update: The story at MSNBC.com has the details I just mentioned in the last update.

Update: Greta is also reporting that no explosives have been found and that the smoke in the bathroom might have been al-Modadi’s attempt to, ahem, “cover up another smell.”

Update: ABC has updated and they’re leaning towards the same explanation now as NBC. What we may be looking at here is the scariest smoke break in aviation history:

A US security official said, “it may have been a massive misunderstanding” and the diplomat’s statement may have been a “sarcastic” comment when he was confronted by two air marshals who had been told by flight attendants that smoke was coming from the lavatory.



It looks like this may have been a false alarm. Let us hope so.

NateR
04-08-2010, 04:06 AM
It looks like this may have been a false alarm. Let us hope so.

If that was the case, then it was a very bad joke and the guy should have his status as a diplomat revoked and be sent back to his home country.

Bonnie
04-08-2010, 04:13 AM
If he did say that about "...trying to light his shoes on fire", trying to be sarcastic, it's his own fault if there was any misunderstanding. Surely he's intelligent enough to realize no one would take that as a "joke" sarcastic or not. I thought the airlines had banned smoking on airplanes; if so, they should fine his *** just for that, but they probably won't. Instead they'll probably be kissing it, bending over backwards, saying how sorry they are for the "misunderstanding". :wink:

Bonnie
04-08-2010, 04:16 AM
If that was the case, then it was a very bad joke and the guy should have his status as a diplomat revoked and be sent back to his home country.

Nate, they've probably already given him free tickets for him and his family to visit Disney World.

NateR
04-08-2010, 04:35 AM
Nate, they've probably already given him free tickets for him and his family to visit Disney World.

Yeah, he is a Muslim and GOD forbid we say anything negative about Muslims or actually expect them to be held accountable for their actions, lest we be labeled as xenophobic or racist. :rolleyes:

donaldbreland
04-08-2010, 04:47 AM
I learned that Muslims are good people. It's the Americans we should worry about.

mscomc
04-08-2010, 05:59 AM
I concur.

And sadly, I think the next attack is going to be worse than 9/11. I've read online that the higher peeps are concerned about nuclear threats. I seriously think we shouldn't be all that concerned about nuclear or dirty bombs. It's important, but we (US) should be even more concerned about chemical and biological attacks. It is SO EASY to make chemicals, and obtain nasty biological agents. Not to mention a heck of lot cheaper.

Think about it: most of our labs in the US don't have the best of security. It be easy to walk in, snatch some stuff, and walk out. Shoot, I was able to snatch some small vials HCL, Nitric Acid, and Acetic acid in my freshman year. But we have a no fly zone over a stadium during the Super Bowl, but no no fly zones over nuclear power plants. Go figure that.

You do raise an interesting point about potential bio weapons. But in terms of getting it from a university I would have to disagree. True, things like really concentrated di and tri protic acids are available, but you could NOT materialize that into a bomb. The susbtance would oxidize before causing any real damage. The most acids could do would be to burn you, but you would have to throw it on someone who is an arm length away, and you would need alot of if to kill someone, you might hurt someone with a little, but not kill. I mean theoretically you could use one of the planes that put out forest fires, but even then the acid would be so concentrated it may just oxidize first.

To get the really nasty stuff (carinogens, or mutagens) you have to have a permit. Those permits are only given to academic institutions and other big name pharma companies. That stuff is not given to undergrads, and sometimes not even the grad students. Only the proffs can handle them, and they are accoutable for every drop, just like a pharamcist who has to make sure he has oxycodone pill accounted for....because if he doesnt....TROUBLE. Plus the university would not let you mess around. They are billion dollar companies in the end (who happen to hand out degrees :wink: ). They are not going to risk you ruining their endowment $$$$$$$.

flo
04-08-2010, 06:20 AM
Nate, they've probably already given him free tickets for him and his family to visit Disney World.

LOL. Sadly, that's probably the truth, Bonnie.

Remember shortly after 9/11 when some mid-eastern guys in a restaurant thought it would be real funny to "plot" out loud to scare the woman in the booth next to them? It worked so well, they were stopped after going through a toll booth by the Feds and taken in for questioning.

They probably sued for civil rights violations, I can't remember. I was sure angry at the time that they were so crude to "joke" about 3,000 people who were massacred. This guy seems to be on the same level, like that shoe bomber was some kind of a joke? His arrogance is breathtaking.

I agree, withdraw his diplomatic status (if that's possible) and send him back.

flo
04-08-2010, 06:20 AM
I bet the people on the plane weren't amused either.

County Mike
04-08-2010, 12:33 PM
"Oh, you were just joking? Then those punches to your face didn't really happen either."

Bonnie
04-08-2010, 01:03 PM
"Oh, you were just joking? Then those punches to your face didn't really happen either."

Terrorists (and dumbass smartalec foreign diplomats) are to be handled with kid gloves, Mike. Just ask those three navy seals on trial. :wink:

Now, maybe if he tripped and fell on your fist as you were reaching out to catch him. :ninja:

KevinD
04-08-2010, 01:14 PM
[QUOTE=Bonnie;109651]Terrorists (and dumbass smartalec foreign diplomats) are to be handled with kid gloves, Mike. Just ask those three navy seals on trial. :wink:

It just makes me sick to hear that again. Seals on trial...its shameful. As far as this diplomat goes...he should be made an example of and deported back to his country immediately.

logrus
04-08-2010, 02:02 PM
If that was the case, then it was a very bad joke and the guy should have his status as a diplomat revoked and be sent back to his home country.

We should have a strict policy for crap like this, joke or no joke.

rearnakedchoke
04-08-2010, 02:04 PM
So what's the deal? Was it a false alarm? A cover-up because he was a dip or did the moron actually think it was funny to play a joke like that?

rearnakedchoke
04-08-2010, 02:14 PM
ok, just read more about it .. he was apparently smoking in a bathroom ... i guess diplomats feel they have the right to break the law ... diplomatic immunity is the dumbest thing ever ...then he made a mention of a shoe bomb ... then he was free to go ...

flo
04-08-2010, 06:17 PM
Just ask those three navy seals on trial. :wink:



Ooooh, that makes my blood boil! They (mil. general, can't remember which) have the power to drop all charges NOW - that needs to happen immediately before this travesty goes any further.

:angry:

flo
04-08-2010, 06:27 PM
I was just reading a little bit more about diplomatic immunity. You can't revoke a guest diplomat's status but they can be expelled.

Scroll down to "Injury and death" for some real eye-openers ~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity

Black Mamba
04-08-2010, 10:13 PM
You do raise an interesting point about potential bio weapons. But in terms of getting it from a university I would have to disagree. True, things like really concentrated di and tri protic acids are available, but you could NOT materialize that into a bomb. The susbtance would oxidize before causing any real damage. The most acids could do would be to burn you, but you would have to throw it on someone who is an arm length away, and you would need alot of if to kill someone, you might hurt someone with a little, but not kill. I mean theoretically you could use one of the planes that put out forest fires, but even then the acid would be so concentrated it may just oxidize first.

To get the really nasty stuff (carinogens, or mutagens) you have to have a permit. Those permits are only given to academic institutions and other big name pharma companies. That stuff is not given to undergrads, and sometimes not even the grad students. Only the proffs can handle them, and they are accoutable for every drop, just like a pharamcist who has to make sure he has oxycodone pill accounted for....because if he doesnt....TROUBLE. Plus the university would not let you mess around. They are billion dollar companies in the end (who happen to hand out degrees :wink: ). They are not going to risk you ruining their endowment $$$$$$$.

Universities, I agree with (for the latter, I took home that acid to run some of my own experiments :laugh: ). But I'm still got my concerns about the actual companies.

I remember reading somewhere that Russia is pretty lose on their labs, or was it their nuclear power plants and uranium. I'm sure the US or Canada aren't that lacked, but if I was in a government position, I would definitely be thinking about increasing security in chemical and biological labs. Permits are not enough. Maybe I've watched too many action movies, but you can whack a person and then snatch their permit. Or take a person's eye out if they have that eye security stuff going on. I'd even go beyond and say get deep background checks on peeps working in labs (not university level) and companies. Extreme? Maybe. Can it save lives? Yep.

Tyburn
04-08-2010, 11:16 PM
I learned that Muslims are good people. It's the Americans we should worry about.

:laugh:

Bonnie
04-09-2010, 01:38 AM
I concur.

And sadly, I think the next attack is going to be worse than 9/11. I've read online that the higher peeps are concerned about nuclear threats. I seriously think we shouldn't be all that concerned about nuclear or dirty bombs. It's important, but we (US) should be even more concerned about chemical and biological attacks. It is SO EASY to make chemicals, and obtain nasty biological agents. Not to mention a heck of lot cheaper.

Think about it: most of our labs in the US don't have the best of security. It be easy to walk in, snatch some stuff, and walk out. Shoot, I was able to snatch some small vials HCL, Nitric Acid, and Acetic acid in my freshman year. But we have a no fly zone over a stadium during the Super Bowl, but no no fly zones over nuclear power plants. Go figure that.

What's that word....oh yeah....priorities! :rolleyes:

mscomc
04-09-2010, 02:35 AM
Universities, I agree with (for the latter, I took home that acid to run some of my own experiments :laugh: ). But I'm still got my concerns about the actual companies.

I remember reading somewhere that Russia is pretty lose on their labs, or was it their nuclear power plants and uranium. I'm sure the US or Canada aren't that lacked, but if I was in a government position, I would definitely be thinking about increasing security in chemical and biological labs. Permits are not enough. Maybe I've watched too many action movies, but you can whack a person and then snatch their permit. Or take a person's eye out if they have that eye security stuff going on. I'd even go beyond and say get deep background checks on peeps working in labs (not university level) and companies. Extreme? Maybe. Can it save lives? Yep.

:laugh: maybe just a few too many, lol, jokes.

It does not really work like that. The permits are mostly online now, and you have to log into a secure encrypted network. I would go as far as saying the pentagon does not even have computers fast enough to hack it.

Plus, the sad things is, most of these extra tests and security measures you would want to take, although very noble, would cause major drug companies alot of problems. They would have to spend more money on security detail, how they order their materials, background checks, ultimately how they do their trials etc. And in the end, these big companies have nice lobby groups making sure these hassles dont come their way. Its just the way it is....:unsure: