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Vizion
03-15-2010, 02:53 PM
I do not understand this term...does this mean that if someone disagrees with you they are not "open-minded"?

It seems to me that if they do NOT agree with you, they HAD been "open" minded, but now that they have decided to disagree with you they are now "close-minded"?

Liberals...can you explain or defend this saying? Or should this saying be added to the list of sayings that need to die?

:rpg013:

CAVEMAN
03-15-2010, 05:27 PM
Welcome to multiculturalism and the rejection of reason!

Tyburn
03-16-2010, 09:38 PM
someone once told me that it would never do to be too open minded, or else your brain might fall out :mellow:

:laugh:

surveyorshawn
03-16-2010, 11:45 PM
It's the same thing with the tolerance movement. We have to tolerate others, but they don't have to tolerate us. Somehow that is ok, lol.

mscomc
03-17-2010, 12:18 AM
I do not understand this term...does this mean that if someone disagrees with you they are not "open-minded"?

It seems to me that if they do NOT agree with you, they HAD been "open" minded, but now that they have decided to disagree with you they are now "close-minded"?

Liberals...can you explain or defend this saying? Or should this saying be added to the list of sayings that need to die?

:rpg013:


well, I would not classify myself as liberal or conservative....I am open minded :laugh:

To me the term has meant the following. Just put youself in someone else shoes and see things from their perspective and NOT just the persepctive that is immediately known to you. For example, we live in the west, we see things from a "western" point of view. And more importantly, being open-minded just means accepting that it is possible that other people are doing things just as well as you are (or maybe better) and they are doing it in a different way. What are these 'things'? .....education, healthcare (we have done that one to death:wink:), law, politics, economics, banking etc etc etc.

just my two cents (two cents canadian that is!)

Garandshooter
03-17-2010, 12:18 AM
What is right shall be wrong, and wrong shall be right. God told you this would happen.

Vizion
03-17-2010, 01:21 AM
To me the term has meant the following. Just put youself in someone else shoes and see things from their perspective and NOT just the persepctive that is immediately known to you. Hmmmm....the first part is I think the grit of it.

So, if what you are saying is true, that being open minded is putting oneself in anothers shoes, aren't we at best simply trying to understand them? In that case I can see where "open minded" comes from.

However, when social liberals tend to use this term, they use it in reference to tolerance. If we don't accept something they embrace we are not being "open-minded" but moreover we are "narrow", or "close-minded".

Would they be correct to say this?

Vizion
03-17-2010, 01:22 AM
What is right shall be wrong, and wrong shall be right. God told you this would happen.Do you have that verse handy?

Vizion
03-17-2010, 01:23 AM
It's the same thing with the tolerance movement. We have to tolerate others, but they don't have to tolerate us. Somehow that is ok, lol.
Is that not a form of elitism?

mscomc
03-17-2010, 01:53 AM
Hmmmm....the first part is I think the grit of it.

So, if what you are saying is true, that being open minded is putting oneself in anothers shoes, aren't we at best simply trying to understand them? In that case I can see where "open minded" comes from.

However, when social liberals tend to use this term, they use it in reference to tolerance. If we don't accept something they embrace we are not being "open-minded" but moreover we are "narrow", or "close-minded".

Would they be correct to say this?

Well I tried to adress some of this in the second part of my post. I said "And more importantly, being open-minded just means accepting that it is possible that other people are doing things just as well as you are (or maybe better) and they are doing it in a different way."
For example, banking. The swiss, have quite a different way of doing banking then north americans. Yet, the swiss are notoriously rich. So in the spirit of being open minded, I may say to myself.... "hey what are those guys doing that I am not?".

But to expand on this. The word you used, tolerance. To be tolerant, according to the lexicon, in its general sense, is to accept something, WHILE you may dissaprove of it. For example, I have tolerance for gays and lesbians. I do NOT approve of what they do (the second part of the definition), but I accept that it is there life and not mine and I wont discriminate against them (not saying you do).

When you mention social liberals suggesting that "when you don't accept something they embrace we are not being "open-minded" but moreover we are "narrow", or "close-minded", this would be an incorrect use of the word tolerance, and shame on a liberal (or anyone) who does this. But, in my view, I don't think this is what they are saying. I think the people they target this ideology to are people that ARE close-minded to begin with. NOT because they disagree with you, but because they may feel that the conservative that is not agreeing with them is basing their oppinions on very narrow views, or vice versa.

rockdawg21
03-17-2010, 01:54 AM
I do not understand this term...does this mean that if someone disagrees with you they are not "open-minded"?

It seems to me that if they do NOT agree with you, they HAD been "open" minded, but now that they have decided to disagree with you they are now "close-minded"?

Liberals...can you explain or defend this saying? Or should this saying be added to the list of sayings that need to die?

:rpg013:
I calculated the first statement to be logically contingent, meaning the statement is neither true nor false under all instances.

Any philosophy or math majors here can help me verify this? It's been about a decade since I had logic and discrete mathematics.

mscomc
03-17-2010, 01:57 AM
I calculated the first statement to be logically contingent, meaning the statement is neither true nor false under all instances.

Any philosophy or math majors here can help me verify this? It's been about a decade since I had logic and discrete mathematics.

No problem.

Take the differential equation, and integrate between +infinity and - infinity. Once you have come up with the integral, solve for x=3.

LOL, sorry.:laugh:

rockdawg21
03-17-2010, 01:58 AM
No problem.

Take the differential equation, and integrate between +infinity and - infinity. Once you have come up with the integral, solve for x=3.

LOL, sorry.:laugh:
LOL, for a minute there, I thought you were, oh nevermind...:laugh:

Vizion
03-17-2010, 02:44 AM
:sign0094:

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:laugh:

DonnaMaria
03-17-2010, 04:31 PM
Well I guess it means different things to different people..........

To me, it always meant to try to be logical about things and not rush to make my mind up about something until i heard/understood everything about it........

but it never meant that i had to tolerate something new to me.....or that something was correct just because it was presented to me......I understand that is how some people use the term, but not how i use it....

when my daughter asked me if I would allow her to be a vegeterian I tried to be "open minded" about it .........

I researched it, made sure we could ensure that she got enough protein in her diet......and talked about all of this with her, talked about what she would need to do to make it work............and decided that since she felt so strongly about it, I would support her.

but it was definately something that i needed to be "open minded" about.

Max
03-17-2010, 08:56 PM
TO me open minded means being able to look at someone opinion on something and even if you dont agree with it being able to understand why they came to that decision.

for example, I agree with the death penalty but I can understand that there are people out there who dont agree with it and I can understand why they dont agree with it.

DonnaMaria
03-17-2010, 10:50 PM
TO me open minded means being able to look at someone opinion on something and even if you dont agree with it being able to understand why they came to that decision.

for example, I agree with the death penalty but I can understand that there are people out there who dont agree with it and I can understand why they dont agree with it.


yes.......very well said!:)

County Mike
03-18-2010, 11:40 AM
Open-minded means not punching someone in the face when their opinion differs from mine.

They're still wrong, but at least I'm open-minded about it.

rearnakedchoke
03-18-2010, 02:54 PM
Open minded means when you are hanging out and chatting up a female ... then you tell her to make out with her girlfriend and she does .... that is open minded ...

County Mike
03-18-2010, 03:27 PM
Open minded means when you are hanging out and chatting up a female ... then you tell her to make out with her girlfriend and she does .... that is open minded ...

+1

MattHughesRocks
03-18-2010, 05:13 PM
When I tell you to do something and you just do it.That's open minded.