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Buc Nasty
01-10-2010, 10:16 AM
http://www.cagepotato.com/exclusive-fighting-march-jens-pulver-discusses-therapy-rebuilding-and-his-last-ride

Tyburn
01-10-2010, 10:32 AM
They caught him in a particularly dour mood didnt they :blink:

Um I'm sure I remember seeing a boxing ring at MFS, perhaps it is a relatively recent addition. You know I might even have got it in my video interview with Jens where he says "I refuse to go train at Pats" I think it has to do with Miletichs busy schedual.

As I understand it, Jens Pulver wants to be actively coached, which might be difficult at MFS since I am not at all certain Patrick Miletich is on site as often as he used to be.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Pat is an extremely busy person, who has fingers in many pies, you know he used to be something to WAMMA he used to manage a team in IFL, he used to train himself, he used to run MFS, he has MFS affiliate schools all over the country, and he still has his own seminar circuits and the likes.

I think that might be the issue Jens has...he feels that he might need pushing, and possibly the kinda personal training the Pat can no longer offer. Thats no a slight on Miletich, he doesnt exist to be at the beck and call of everyone he has ever trained. He is a busy person, he cant be expected to sit at his desk in Champions all day, every day. if didnt suprise me to hear Jens say "he's never there" and I think the dissapointment of that means his comments come across as being more angry and hate filled then they are.

Unless I'm missing something, Jens doesnt hate Miletich he's just annoyed that the situtation at MFS isnt what he wishes it was...does that make sense?

oh...and MFS could be enhanced with a cage...and they have ample room to install one in their boxing hall IMHO

David_Banner
01-10-2010, 11:43 AM
"Thatís when I started going, ĎDamn, itís gotten to that point. Iím such a joke now that Iím being giggled at.í Thatís what was so tough about it, that I thought it had gone this far. It was heartbreaking."


My god, what a emotional interview. I really hope Jens is able to pull out a win.






CAGEPOTATO: Jens, youíre fighting March 6th in Columbus, Ohio. Youíve lost four straight to some very good opponents. Any word yet on who you are fighting?
JENS PULVER: Nope. I donít know yet. I told them I donít even want to know.

You actually asked not to know?
Not until they really have to tell me. Who cares who Iím fighting? Opponents donít beat me, Iím beating me. Youíve got all these guys saying Iím getting punchy. I got hit on the head against Leonard but the other two of my last three losses were chokes. With Faber I ate everything, Lauzon clipped me on the chin. Iíve never been knocked out to the point of four minutes later they are waking me up and Iím trying to figure out what happened, saying Ď****, what happened?í Iíve been clipped. I might get punchy at some point but come on, itís not happening now. Let me get mine. What ****ing part of guillotine chokes donít people understand? I appreciate their concern all the same but people donít pay attention. Where does most of the damage fighters take come from? Not from fights but from when we are sparring with pillows on our hands and we take hours of brain rattling. Fights are five to twenty five minutes long; the brain damage comes from sparring. You donít ever hear people saying we should quit sparring. So Iím not really worried about who Iím fighting. Iím fighting me right now. Iím fighting against myself, trying to be the old me. Iím trying to beat myself.

Youíre talking about the old vs. new you.
Iím not talking about the young bullet-proof me. Iím talking about the middle me that has gotten his ass handed to him. I donít complain to people, I donít bitch about income. Of how there are all these other guys who have made a lot of money. Maybe Iím not that savvy with business. Iíve had a rebirth with meeting my wife, having my son and my daughter getting older. The biggest thing for me was how we moved training camps, finally. This one in Boise, Iíve designed. You can see it at DrivenTC.com. Just little things with this gym are going to make a lot of difference for me, I canít even tell you. Our supposed great leader back in Iowa who didnít even have a boxing ring or a cage ó what kind of people fight in MMA and have never even sparred or trained in a cage? Iíve brought in Tony Fryklund and all positives happen with him around. That right there is leaps and bounds better.

You havenít been full time with Miletich for some time but for your last few fights youíve worked with Matt Hume and AMC Pankration in Washington. Does he have a cage or ring?
Matt Hume had a ring. Thatís better at least because there is something to cut off. I got to train with Matt and them, right, but it was on short notice when I fought Faber and a lot of it was at their satellite school. They did a great job with me but it was a tough circumstance.

A lot of times fighters get cut after just one or two losses. What were your conversations with your bosses at Zuffa like after four straight losses?
I asked Dana White and Zuffa, ĎPlease, give me one more shot. Iím going to make some changes.í They asked, ĎWhat kind of changes?í I told them that I was building my own gym and bringing it home to where Iím from. Bringing in Tony Fryklund, rebuilding everything, and I want to bring in the coaches like Duke Roufus and Iím working with BSU wrestlers. Iím bringing it back to where I started, training wise, and itís a cool feeling. For me thatís what I needed. Its not just three people doing their thing then having to drive to boxing, drive to lifting, drive to another place to wrestle and then come back to the gym to train with one or two guys.

Now that youíve got your own gym, do you plan to still keep training with Hume?
Iím continuing to work with Matt Hume. I love Matt, but all the skills in the world donít matter if you donít have your mind right.

Mike Chiappetta recently reported that you had begun treatment for depression and anxiety.
I went to see a shrink, finally. It was humbling. But I needed to. It is bad enough to have depression and anxiety so crippling to your life in general, but when you are getting beat and you are also telling yourself "you suck, youíre gonna lose, youíre gonna get beat," where it's a compulsive thought that you canít get rid of, thatís bad. The second biggest thing to help me get my mind right next to medication for OCD and depression, was moving my training to Idaho. I didnít even say goodbye, I just picked up and left with my wife and son. Everybody I know is gone anyway. Jeremy [Horn] is in Utah so Iím closer to him here in Idaho anyway. Matt [Hughes] and Robbie [Lawler] are in St. Louis. Tony moved up here with me and I needed to get back home to the mountains and to the water. Itís just a different environment for training. And weíre going to do some different things. For example, Iím going to open up my sparring sessions to the public and also have them streamed online for people to watch from wherever. Iím going to create my environment from the cage to the crowd and cameras. People will be able to check that out starting in a few weeks on our website, DrivenTC.com.

So have you moved to Idaho or just moved your training?
Iím going to open up this school in Idaho but my residence is still in Iowa. Right now the plan is to go back and forth. Iím trying to figure it out. Fortunately for me Iíve got this good group of people taking care of the bills in training because I donít have the money, thatís for damn sure. Winning woulda made life a lot easier, of course. But Iíve been real fortunate. Iíll always be out here to train and my residence will be back in Iowa but I want to stick around as long as I can. My family is with me. We packed up the car and drove out here.

A lot of times fighters separate themselves from their families during training camps. Thatís something you did the last couple times. Why did you decide to have them around this time?
I donít want to be three months away from them to fight. And all of our birthdays are in December and there was Christmas. They are good for me. It's awesome training full time and running this gym with them here. Iím going to be here as much as I can.

You had a really rough childhood and many others in your family have also gone through a lot. What made you decide to get counseling and treatment at this point in your life?
My wife. She did.

A lot of people, and a lot of fighters, deal with issues like you've had ó depression and anxiety ó but many, especially men, seem to be unwilling to talk openly about it.
I got no problem talking about it. It is what it is. If a lot of people took time to look at their selves it would be better. It might be the reason for drinking and half of the criminals and addicts and sellers. They have something to compensate for and what they are lacking they try to fill with getting drunk. Iím not allowed to do drugs. If I was that might be my thing. Iíve gotta represent for them in this hard, hard battle to reach an even keel. One of our new t-shirts, itís not out yet but I have one Iím wearing around the gym, says, ďI battle depression for every day I wake it's up and down and never in between. I would just like to get on an even ride. I am driven.Ē I couldnít stand that stuff where you just make a lil mole hill into the biggest mountain on the planet. My wife is my solace. My wife, she told me, Ďit is what it is and youíve got to fix it and go on and do your thing.í She is just phenomenal and Iíve learned so much from her.

What type of effect did your depression have on your daily life and how has it been changing?
The depression and anxiety just feed on all the personal attacks out there. I became a procrastinator. I couldnít bring myself to run. I would just lay there. As you start training it just piles up and gets worse. You think, ĎWhatís the point?í So Iíve got no problem talking about it. It doesnít make you imperfect when you admit to your flaws. It doesnít do anything but show you are trying to become better. Iím too old to play that BS. And Iím not saying that Iím done with it. Iím still battling it but I just finally realized that I needed help. Once I started getting help the changes in me were dramatic. After just ten days my wife gave me a high five and said ĎHoly Jesus, oh my God, where the hell have you been?í When your wife can tell the transitions youíve made and get you back, itís huge.

Itís about getting rid of that anxiety and those fears so that I do have room for anger, for that aggression when I fight. Now I have all those things back. I have a place for the anger and aggression again. Itís important to realize that youíre not broken. I used to think they would put me in straight jacket if I got help. But everyone needs help one way or another and you can only mask it for so long. I had to face my mortality like, ĎOh my God, they are talking about retirement. Everything Iíve ever known might be done.í Thatís the hard thing about being an athlete is that you have to face your mortality twice. The first way you face your mortality is when you are too old and when you have to give up doing all you know how to do. And then you face it a second time like everyone when you are done, its over and you are dead. When I began facing my mortality as a fighter I had an anxiety attack. I was driving and almost fell over at the wheel. I thought, ĎI canít do this. I canít breathe.í I thought I was having a heart attack.

That sounds debilitating. What has been the key to getting through it?
One reason was my wife. I get nothing but positives from her. I only hope I can do the same for her. I told her, Ďwhat if we lose everything and we end up living out of a cardboard box?í She said, ĎWell at least weíd have each other so we just get the nicest box we can.í I was like, ĎOh my God!í She meant it. She is 84 pounds and I lean on her. Sheís my pillar. My family and [my manager] Monte Cox and his family give me great support. They are all the same thing to me: family

Having someone like my wife puts you in a safe and secure place, the type of place I never had before. You have to remember that I was a kid that got the **** beaten outta him and was crying at night. It is huge. Now Iím taking on the things Iíve been procrastinating with. Coming out here and building a gym and knowing I could do this a little different than what I was doing before allows me to sit back and enjoy myself.

There was a decent amount of outcry when after your loss to Urijah Faber, the Versus commentator asked you if you were still relevant in MMA. You didnít seem to get mad but implied that you would perhaps retire.
Thatís the mortality of it. I was pissing it away and I didnít know what to do. Here he is just jumping in with something that Iíve gone over in my own head with conversations with myself 999 times before and he asks it one time. It was the straw that broke the camelís back. Iím sorry he had to be that guy but I had already been asking myself that question. Thatís when I started going, ĎDamn, itís gotten to that point. Iím such a joke now that Iím being giggled at.í Thatís what was so tough about it, that I thought it had gone this far. It was heartbreaking.

Obviously youíve made the decision to keep on fighting. What did your coaches, teammates and family tell you while you were weighing your options?
I made the decision to keep fighting on my own. My family and coaches gave me the window that I needed, the time to sit back, except for Monte. Iíve always got Monte. I owe Monte everything. I was talking to him and apologizing to my agent and talking to Dana, Lorenzo, Joe Silva and Sean Shelby to see if theyíd let me fight again. I have to thank them because they are not writing me off yet and I love them for it. Something has got to be said for those guys. They put the work in when nobody knew what we were. When they first bought the company I was there and theyíve turned it into this powerhouse from a little piece. I donít talk to them like I used to but at least I had that conversation and Iím not taking it lightly. Iím pretty excited to have it. Itís my last ride.

How do you look at the rest of your career and how long you want to do it? Do you have a set amount of time that you want to do it for?
Itís not a time thing. Iím taking it fight to fight.

You talk a lot about doing things differently. Do you have regrets when you look back?
Youíve got to hug it, embrace it and enjoy it. Looking back on my youth I would have told myself that you see opportunities along the way and that you need to snatch them up because that day does come. I donít say, Ďwhere did the time go?í I just sit there and think of the road trips and all the things and its all good, all cool for first time in a while. Iíve really enjoyed watching BJ Penn do his thing. Itís been really exciting to me and extremely motivating the way he has turned himself around. Now, Iíll never be as skilled as that kid but the way he turned it around for himself is great to see. I realize now at 34 years old ó all these listings have me as older but Iím 34 ó that this is my last ride. And Iím not going to sit back, Iím going to go after it. Iíve got great family support and all the negatives, money grubbing people, Iím in the process of getting rid of them. Iím making everything the way I always wanted it. Iím staring at the mountains here in Idaho, not far from where Justin Eilers was buried, and Iíve got my whole family around me. This is my last ride and everyone is saddled up.

que
01-10-2010, 01:17 PM
all this losing has clearly made him emotionally unstable. i think this is the first interview where he has stooped to bashing pat militech and his training. i hope he wins or else someone may want to put him on suicide watch (in all seriousness)

Tyburn
01-10-2010, 02:36 PM
all this losing has clearly made him emotionally unstable. i think this is the first interview where he has stooped to bashing pat militech and his training. i hope he wins or else someone may want to put him on suicide watch (in all seriousness)

He's got depression and anxiety...and you think he might be "emotionally unstable"

Spiritwalker
01-10-2010, 02:56 PM
He's got depression and anxiety...and you think he might be "emotionally unstable"


While I agree that it's a stong term.. it fits.. but honestly most people are emotionally unstable in certain situations.

Tyburn
01-10-2010, 03:03 PM
While I agree that it's a stong term.. it fits.. but honestly most people are emotionally unstable in certain situations.

not only is he unstable, he's unpredictable to :w00t:

But I dont think either of those "strong" terms are much in the way of new when applied to Jens Pulver do you :laugh:

He's still magnificent :) although, I gotta say, I'm glad he was in a better mood when I interviewed him :ninja:

By the sounds of it though...this interview is prior to the documentary excerpt that I put in the other thread.

MattHughesRocks
01-11-2010, 04:42 AM
He's lean mean fighting machine!
WAR JENS! :w00t:

Llamafighter
01-11-2010, 12:33 PM
I'l always root for him.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
01-11-2010, 12:45 PM
Was that a typo about Matt and Robbie being in Missouri?

Vizion
01-11-2010, 01:14 PM
:cry:

Jens...you have to take this one. You HAVE to.

Tyburn
01-11-2010, 01:17 PM
I'l always root for him.

Shouldnt we all :w00t:

Preach
01-11-2010, 05:40 PM
Who's Jens














jk Dave. I wish him the best he really needs a win not just for his career but for himself. It would help him considerably as a person