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huan
12-29-2009, 07:01 AM
Hadn't seen this posted yet, sorry if I missed it...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/magazine/specials/2000s/12/16/top.mma.fighters/index.html

Awesome to see Matt up there in the top 3 with Fedor and Anderson! Well deserved and a solid list overall.

Mac
12-29-2009, 07:04 AM
Good list

que
12-29-2009, 12:08 PM
yea that is surprisingly good

Bonnie
12-29-2009, 01:57 PM
That's really great. :cool:

Max
12-29-2009, 02:23 PM
I agree, good list

rearnakedchoke
12-29-2009, 02:37 PM
good list ... i would like to have seen sakuraba on the list somewhere ... i know his record isn't the greatest, but dude fought anyone

billwilliams70
12-29-2009, 03:32 PM
It is a good list.

Later.

Miss Foxy
12-29-2009, 03:42 PM
Ooh yeah HUGHES is the man!!:wub:

VCURamFan
12-29-2009, 03:50 PM
That is an awesome list. I find no fault in it whatsoever.

Boomer
12-29-2009, 04:15 PM
TOOOOO WARRRRRRRRR!!!! THE COUNTRY SAGE HERALDED AS IN THE TOP THREE WARRIORS OF ALL TIME IN AGES PAST!!!!!!!!!! GLORIOUS!!!

:cool:

He's so awesome. Good SI list.

Bonnie
12-29-2009, 05:01 PM
That is an awesome list. I find no fault in it whatsoever.

Well...I could have done without one name on that list. But, I wouldn't want Chuck to think I'm a "hater". :laugh:

Chuck
12-29-2009, 05:05 PM
Well...I could have done without one name on that list. But, I wouldn't want Chuck to think I'm a "hater". :laugh:

LOL...

There is a HUGE difference between disliking a fighter and being a hater...

But tell me....

Why don't you think Randy should be on there??? :D

That IS who you're talking about right??????

Bonnie
12-29-2009, 05:24 PM
LOL...

There is a HUGE difference between disliking a fighter and being a hater...

But tell me....

Why don't you think Randy should be on there??? :D

That IS who you're talking about right??????

Rightttt....NOT! :laugh:

You know very well WHO I'm talk'n bout, Willis! :tongue0011:

Silverback
12-29-2009, 05:30 PM
Matt Hughes The two-time UFC welterweight champion may have slowed in recent years, but his body of work prior to surrendering his 170-pound title is worth highlighting. Born in Hillsboro, Ill., Hughes (43-7 overall; 30-6 in 2000s) defended the belt a record seven times inside the Octagon, owns a 9-3 record in championship fights and tallied 15 UFC wins in the 2000s -- tops for the decade. A protégé of Pat Miletich, MMA's first great welterweight, Hughes mixed submissions with powerful wrestling to become one of the sport?s first dominant fighters.

This and the swim suit issue they do just right, good job SI, and Matt, can you say Hall of Fame.:punch::punch::punch:

VCURamFan
12-29-2009, 05:33 PM
I think Dave's head's gonna pop when he sees this list: BJ and Hendo, but no Jens? :scared0011: :laugh:

Miss Foxy
12-29-2009, 05:38 PM
I think Dave's head's gonna pop when he sees this list: BJ and Hendo, but no Jens? :scared0011: :laugh:

Yup he's gonna flip his lid and make a video blog about it...:laugh:
Chuck... I am a straight HATER...I cannot stomach GSP!!:scared0015:

Chuck
12-29-2009, 05:56 PM
Yup he's gonna flip his lid and make a video blog about it...:laugh:
Chuck... I am a straight HATER...I cannot stomach GSP!!:scared0015:

That's ok... you still have that curvy, hottness thing going for ya!!:laugh:

Miss Foxy
12-29-2009, 06:06 PM
That's ok... you still have that curvy, hottness thing going for ya!!:laugh:
:wink:

County Mike
12-29-2009, 06:09 PM
That's ok... you still have that curvy, hottness thing going for ya!!:laugh:

Pics or shens

Chuck
12-29-2009, 06:12 PM
Pics or shens

That's what I'm saying!!!!!!!

Miss Foxy
12-29-2009, 06:53 PM
That's what I'm saying!!!!!!!

Whats Shens?:unsure-1:

County Mike
12-29-2009, 07:00 PM
Whats Shens?:unsure-1:

"Shenanigans"

It basically means, show pictures or your hotness is in doubt.
:tongue0011:

Shoots like a girl
12-29-2009, 07:14 PM
Woo Hoo! Number 3!!!! And we all know those other two guys paid someone off! ROFL!!!!:laugh:

3dlee
12-29-2009, 11:04 PM
Congrats to Matt for the honor. Sports Illustrated is huge and Matt being under two champs that havent lost 1 title defense is awesome. Huge honor. Im very proud to be a fan of our country boy!

Chuck
12-29-2009, 11:22 PM
It means, show pictures of your hotness.
:tongue0011:

Fixed!!!

que
12-30-2009, 03:13 AM
Pics or shens

i agree lets see some pics foxy

County Mike
12-30-2009, 11:35 AM
i agree lets see some pics foxy

Sheesh. Bunch of pervs.

cubsfan47
12-30-2009, 02:18 PM
Sheesh. Bunch of pervs.

Being a perv is fun. :cool:

Miss Foxy
12-30-2009, 04:09 PM
I can't load any on this work computer :cry:

VCURamFan
12-30-2009, 05:02 PM
I can't load any on this work computer :cry:

Foxy I have never been so disappointed in you...:cry:






I mean, I'm not really that disappointed now, but whatever!:laugh:

Tyburn
12-30-2009, 08:20 PM
:angry: Where is Jens Pulvers Name :huh:

Why do they NEVER give him the recognition he deserves :sad:

Other then that ommision the list isnt too bad

Tyburn
12-30-2009, 08:26 PM
There weren't many fighters over the past 10 years who earned the distinction of making their professional fighting debut in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Penn (15-5-1 overall, same in 2000s) did in 2001. And in just his fourth fight, the Hawaiian headlined an event for the lightweight title -- the first time a bout at 155 carried a UFC card. Penn, 31, was no stranger to distractions (an obsession with fighting up in weight), setbacks (poor training) or controversy (the infamous "Grease-gate" in 2009 following a loss to St. Pierre, and his decision to relinquish a championship belt and leave the UFC for a year). Yet, as shown with his final bout of the decade, a fifth-round TKO of Diego Sanchez, few were better than "The Prodigy" when his focus was fighting.


oh thats right...dont mention it was also his first loss...and dont mention who it was too neither :angry: It was Jens Pulver who "headlined" the event as the Reigning...oh...and afterwards...Defending, Champion that night :punch:

Miss Foxy
12-30-2009, 08:31 PM
There weren't many fighters over the past 10 years who earned the distinction of making their professional fighting debut in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Penn (15-5-1 overall, same in 2000s) did in 2001. And in just his fourth fight, the Hawaiian headlined an event for the lightweight title -- the first time a bout at 155 carried a UFC card. Penn, 31, was no stranger to distractions (an obsession with fighting up in weight), setbacks (poor training) or controversy (the infamous "Grease-gate" in 2009 following a loss to St. Pierre, and his decision to relinquish a championship belt and leave the UFC for a year). Yet, as shown with his final bout of the decade, a fifth-round TKO of Diego Sanchez, few were better than "The Prodigy" when his focus was fighting.


oh thats right...dont mention it was also his first loss...and dont mention who it was too neither :angry: It was Jens Pulver who "headlined" the event as the Reigning...oh...and afterwards...Defending, Champion that night :punch:
I understand and can respect your feelings towards your favorite fighter, but lets be brutally honest Jens does not deserve to make that list.
BJ does.. Regardless of your personal feelings. Look I can't even complain about GSP, because at the end of the day I have to face it..:scared0015:

Crisco
12-30-2009, 09:19 PM
I'm sorry Dave. Jen's seems like a cool guy but the fact of the matter is he hasn't done anything to be on that list.

Is he one of the greats? ABSOLUTELY.

Is he one of the greatest? NO.

Chuck
12-30-2009, 09:25 PM
:angry: Where is Jens Pulvers Name :huh:

Why do they NEVER give him the recognition he deserves :sad:

Other then that ommision the list isnt too bad

Dave check the list again... Jen's got exactly the recognition he deserves.. :wink:

Bonnie
12-30-2009, 10:33 PM
Dave check the list again... Jen's got exactly the recognition he deserves.. :wink:

Brutal, Chuck....brutal.

Tyburn
12-31-2009, 01:27 AM
Dave check the list again... Jen's got exactly the recognition he deserves.. :wink:

:mellow: being implied is not good enough...they should have mentioned him by name :angry:

Tyburn
12-31-2009, 01:27 AM
I'm sorry Dave. Jen's seems like a cool guy but the fact of the matter is he hasn't done anything to be on that list.

Is he one of the greats? ABSOLUTELY.

Is he one of the greatest? NO.

:angry: YES HE IS :angry:

que
12-31-2009, 01:35 AM
not trying to bash jens but the only top contenders he has ever beaten is bj penn. he is a great man and was a very good fighter but not one of the 10 greatest of all time not even close.

Tyburn
12-31-2009, 01:39 AM
not trying to bash jens but the only top contenders he has ever beaten is bj penn. he is a great man and was a very good fighter but not one of the 10 greatest of all time not even close.

oh...BJ Penn is the only calibre he's beaten...well...maybe your right, as thats quite an easy conquest isnt it...afterall every tom, dick and harry of the fighting world have all beaten BJ Penn at his natural weight class in his absolute prime.

Yeah...I mean, Kenny Florian, Sean Sherk, Joe Sevenson...heck even Diego Sanchez have managed to do that havent they.

Do you know what an achievement beating Penn at that weight category is??

its like beating Fedor on acid isnt it...it just doesnt happen...only it did.

que
12-31-2009, 02:11 AM
oh...BJ Penn is the only calibre he's beaten...well...maybe your right, as thats quite an easy conquest isnt it...afterall every tom, dick and harry of the fighting world have all beaten BJ Penn at his natural weight class in his absolute prime.

Yeah...I mean, Kenny Florian, Sean Sherk, Joe Sevenson...heck even Diego Sanchez have managed to do that havent they.

Do you know what an achievement beating Penn at that weight category is??

its like beating Fedor on acid isnt it...it just doesnt happen...only it did.

you're right, it was a big accomplishment, but one big win does not propel you into the top 10 greatest fighters of all time. IMO.

3dlee
12-31-2009, 02:18 AM
C'mon guys. To say Jens doesnt belong on that list to Dave is like people telling us that Hughes doesnt deserve his spot. So Dave, I think that they wanted to include Jens, but since there were so many MFS guys that could fill the top 10, they just used Matt as the MFS spokesperson :)

matthughesfan21
12-31-2009, 02:51 AM
oh...BJ Penn is the only calibre he's beaten...well...maybe your right, as thats quite an easy conquest isnt it.Matt Serra beat GSP also, doesn't mean he should be in the top 10 either

matthughesfan21
12-31-2009, 02:55 AM
telling us that Hughes doesnt deserve his spot. :)
Only difference is, Matt actually deserves that spot...He is the most dominant champion in UFC history up to this point and has beaten that absolute best of the best...Jens has had a great career and is a great person also, but he doesn't have the résumé that the 10 guys on that list have

Tyburn
12-31-2009, 12:54 PM
C'mon guys. To say Jens doesnt belong on that list to Dave is like people telling us that Hughes doesnt deserve his spot. So Dave, I think that they wanted to include Jens, but since there were so many MFS guys that could fill the top 10, they just used Matt as the MFS spokesperson :)

:) Well, I guess that might be true. I think they could have mentioned him in the little biography of BJ Penn....certainly to put Penn as number ten cant be accurate :unsure-1:

Tyburn
12-31-2009, 12:57 PM
Matt Serra beat GSP also, doesn't mean he should be in the top 10 either

Thats different. Serra didnt earn that shot, he was given it. Some dont even think he won the finale to be givern it....and GSP was in a bad way at the time.

BJ Penn was not in a bad way, he was in his prime, on a meteroic rise, unbeaten. He deserved the shot, he didnt win a crass TV show.

3dlee
01-01-2010, 01:15 AM
in my extremely biased opinion my top 10s would always be matt, chuck, randy,rich, forrest, jens, dan, mir, nog, kenflo

Crisco
01-01-2010, 03:27 AM
Thats different. Serra didnt earn that shot, he was given it. Some dont even think he won the finale to be givern it....and GSP was in a bad way at the time.

BJ Penn was not in a bad way, he was in his prime, on a meteroic rise, unbeaten. He deserved the shot, he didnt win a crass TV show.

Had o break it to you buddy but BJ is in his prime now.

He is twice the fighter he ever was right now and Jens couldnt even scratch him in their second fight.

Tyburn
01-01-2010, 12:15 PM
in my extremely biased opinion my top 10s would always be matt, chuck, randy,rich, forrest, jens, dan, mir, nog, kenflo

I could live with that list....minus Florian :laugh:

Tyburn
01-01-2010, 12:16 PM
Had o break it to you buddy but BJ is in his prime now.
.

Bollox. In his Prime BJ Penn could dominate at both Welterweight and Lightweight. He cant really venture out of 155lbs now.

Chuck
01-01-2010, 02:29 PM
Bollox. In his Prime BJ Penn could dominate at both Welterweight and Lightweight. He cant really venture out of 155lbs now.

When exactly was that Dave? Back when he didn't take his training serious? When he lost to Hughes? When he lost to GSP? When he lost to Pulver?

Are you saying his "prime" has already happened and during that time he dominated at both LW & WW?

Or that IF he ever reached his prime?

I'm confused. :huh:

Tyburn
01-01-2010, 09:43 PM
When exactly was that Dave? Back when he didn't take his training serious? When he lost to Hughes? When he lost to GSP? When he lost to Pulver?

Are you saying his "prime" has already happened and during that time he dominated at both LW & WW?

Or that IF he ever reached his prime?

I'm confused. :huh:

He's over the half way point Chuck. BJ Penn used to be able to win dramatically based on skill alone. In that age few people beat him. By the time he returned to the UFC his hold on the Welterweight Division would have to be backed up with good solid hard work, and even that wasnt good enough, He could not beat GSP, He could not beat Hughes...He was already third fiddle in a two horse race between two Welterweight who had eclipsed him circa 2005. We are now 5 years on from that. With work and skill he can still dominate in the LW BUT who are the big players at LW? The giants that were been pruned have largely been cut...and noone is feeding the gatekeepers to him. Hermes Franca, Nil since challenging Sean Sherk. Spencer Fisher, Nil, Drew McFedries, Nil, Joe Lauzon, out, Roger Huerta, Out, Jens Pulver inabsentia, Urijah Faber, wont play ball, Kid Yamaoto, wont play ball, Gomi, wont play ball, Tyson Griffin, gatekeeper, Frankie Edgar Gatekeeper, Sean Sherk, acting dumb, Kenny Florian, blew it, Joe Stevenson, slight desperate, Diego Snachez, very desperate, Caol Uno, not what he used to be, Gray Maynard, shouldnt have been given the decision over Huerta...am I forgetting anybody?

The action is not even at Lightweight anymore, its smaller, its at Featherweight and Bantamweight...Brian Bowles, Urijah Faber, MTB, Jens Pulver, Josh Grispi, Jeff Curran...even, dare I say it, Cub Swanson

We forget that Jay Penn does not really belong to the generation of fighters that he's constantly placed with. He isnt Anderson Silva, he isnt Georges Saint Pierre, he isnt Matt Hughes...he's actually a late addition to the generation before him...He's the end of the generation that spawned Patrick Miletich. You really going to tell me that he's not yet reached his prime...watch him, he is making his last stand now...when he losses this LW Championship...it will be to him, what happens when a senior falls and breaks a hip...

His meteoric rise, his bids for the LWC, his success at WW...its all the first half of the last decade...its fast approaching a decade...2004 was when he beat Matt Hughes for the WWC...since then its not been so good for him, he gets squashed by Georges Saint Pierre, he gets Squashed by Matt Hughes, he gets Squashed by Georges Saint Pierre, he retreats to 155lbs, he fails to make the finals of TUF, he beats Jens Pulver (who he couldnt when it mattered most, public opinion doesnt even consider that a huge achievement, nevermind my own thoughts on the matter) he beats Sherk because Sherk decides he's a professional boxer after all, then he beats TUFers, He makes a reign for himself, but its a reign where he isnt fighting people near his standard...because those who could beat him, are either not willing to fight him, or are not selected by Joe Silva to take up the challenge...but when one of them does...or he makes a mistake which sooner or later he will...or woe betide he becomes bored and decides to move divisions or something...you will see him begin to slip. in an ideal world for Jay, he has another two years...but overnight that threatens to swallow him whole before then end of this year...If Tyson Griffin wont gut him, Frankie Edgar will...the pair are like rabid dogs securely on a lead, taking out the prospects which, like a hedge need trimming before they cast their shadow over the sundial which is Penn himself....but all it would take is for a meteroic rise of a Light Weight fighter standing in the wings that we dont know about...or the appearance of new tallent in the division, particularly if they are featherweight branch outs...and when he slips...it will be to the bottom of the pack.

I personally cant wait for someone to liberate the division, heck, merge the LWs of WEC and UFC if it can provide a killer who might axe the ruling prince. I've been saying it eversince he beat Jens Pulver that a dark cloud has descended upon the division, that many a prospect would be slaughtered or sacrificed until someone remove the idol and take upon themself the mantle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u-lW_GMgDI

Wishful thinking? No King rules forever in this world. His prime is past. The trap doors already dropped we're just waiting to reach the end of the rope now.

3dlee
01-01-2010, 10:16 PM
wow :frantics::unsure::huh:

Tyburn
01-01-2010, 10:23 PM
wow :frantics::unsure::huh:

:ashamed: I do appologise, you have to understand that whilst I positively dislike BJ Penn, I am pleased that he has finally established a legacy outside of the few great achievements of his prime. He deserves that much because he is the best pure skill in the world without a doubt. I dont dispute that, and I dont deny his legitamacy to contend for the title after Jens, nor his defenses which apart from him calling his own win in the Sherk match I find no fault with.

However, he will soon tire, his rule is an age of darkness because of his character and because of what past rullers have displayed.

I like to think i'm harsh but fair.

3dlee
01-02-2010, 12:00 PM
you are all good, friend. i tend to act similarly discussing gsp and matt. i still believe mr hughes could take gsps arm off any day he tried. i was on mmaforums today and they had a poll of best wrestler in mma and matt wasnt even listed. how soon we forget the greats i guess.

Tyburn
01-02-2010, 12:46 PM
you are all good, friend. i tend to act similarly discussing gsp and matt. i still believe mr hughes could take gsps arm off any day he tried. i was on mmaforums today and they had a poll of best wrestler in mma and matt wasnt even listed. how soon we forget the greats i guess.

Its also perspective. The most recent stuff always seems to take precident. You know how the UFC always go on about "the biggest match in UFC History" until...the next card...and then, that main event is the biggest, and the earlier event is completely lost.

People dont understand just how meteoric and impressive a younger BJ Penn was...they dont remember what he did to Caol Uno....they dont understand that at the time, that was shocking. They forget that Jens Pulver was constantly slated to looose to Penn. They forget what it actually means that Jens Pulver was the first person to give him a loss...what was an enthralling achievement that noone else could match in beat Penn in his own weight class, is now merely a boring and unimportant statistic.

People move on VERY quickly...thats my point about BJ Penn...we talk about him now...but he only potentially needs to lose once...and he will fade away like a gas giant...same with Anderson Silva...same with Georges Saint Pierre.

Its why noone now is impressed by Royce Gracie....and yet, at the time the feat he achieved is EASILY matchable to Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture, equally as important as the GSP/Hughes fueds,...but all things eventually get lost in time....and it doesnt just happen to fighters...it happens to Fight Camps....Jacksons Submission Fighting has become the New Miletich Fighting Systems....Brazillian Top Team has eclipsed Chute Boxe...every tom dick and harry have gyms and associations..that at earlier points in time they didnt have...you couldnt open a gym without having been a champion, or without having purist success with olympic/top tier level sports athletes...now...if you want to, you can go train with...Lauzon MMA, or some such...no offence to the Bros...but what exactly is it they have done to earn the right to teach? they havent contended, they havent won championships, they havent...but then when you have former TUFers as Coaches after possibly less then a year since they went through as contestants...what do you expect...These are NOT the days of Baz Rutten, or Ian Freeman, Times are changing

So I think that its good for some of us to remain fixed with anticipation to certain points in past history to remind people, that HEY Patrick Miletich was the GodFather of Welterweights, even if you've never seen him fight, and Jens Pulver did beat Baby Jay Penn, and Matt Hughes did score the first blow in the Fueds, and Randy Couture did Assassinate Tim Sylvia, and Tito Ortiz should never have won the UFC59 decision against Forrest Griffin. These past Legends, Champions, important events were as big for their time, as anything we are experiencing right now.

I refuse to forget that. I think we owe it as viewers of these magnificent speciemens, to avoid the rusts and spoils of time on their careers and their achievements. Even in twenty years time, I shall still say that Matt Hughes was the most dominant Welterweight that ever lived. I shall be there to remind people that its still current...that these achievements, which these artists have striven hard for are not just acolades to be archieved in some dark corner of a website...you think that the pioneers didnt train as hard? that there matches were less important because they lived at a more primative age within the sports History??

Some people do. But we dont. :)