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12-21-2009, 06:13 PM
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Bryan Fischer May 15, 2008

The truth about homosexuality and the Nazi Party

By Bryan Fischer

The Interfaith Alliance, a far-left religious advocacy group in Idaho, has accused Scott Lively, a scheduled speaker at this weekend's "Shake the Nation" conference in Boise, of "bearing false witness" and of being "mean-spirited and hurtful."

Lively's crime? In his book, "The Pink Swastika," Lively exposes a secret homosexual activists don't want you to know about Nazi Germany: that although the Nazis did persecute homosexuals, the homosexuals the Nazis persecuted were almost exclusively the effeminate members of the gay community in Germany, and that much of the mistreatment was administered by masculine homosexuals who despised effeminacy in all its forms.

Ludwig Lenz worked at the Sex Research Institute in Berlin, which was destroyed by Hitler's Brown Shirts in 1933 likely because its records, including 40,000 confessions from members of the Nazi Party, would have exposed the sexual perversions of Nazi leadership. Lenz said that "not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal."

In fact, the Nazi Party began in a gay bar in Munich, and Ernst Roehm, Hitler's right hand in the early days of Nazism, was well-known for his taste in young boys. William Shirer says in his definitive "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," not only that Roehm was "important in the rise of Hitler," but also "like so many of the early Nazis, (he was) a homosexual."

Hitler eventually had Roehm shot, not because he was a homosexual but because his influence over the Brown Shirts made him a political threat to Hitler's control. The Roehm Purge, or "Night of the Long Knives," was largely implemented by homosexuals.

Hitler's Brown Shirts, the dreaded SA, better known as "Storm Troopers," were the creation of another homosexual, Gerhard Rossbach, and Storm Troopers were almost exclusively homosexual. They also, sadly, comprised most of the leadership of the Hitler Youth, resulting in frequent instances of sexual molestation.

The Brown Shirts were Hitler's enforcers. According to Nazi historian Louis Snyder, Roehm recruited homosexuals into the SA because Roehm felt Germany needed "a proud and arrogant lot who could brawl, carouse, smash windows, kill and slaughter for the hell of it. Straights, in (Roehm's) eyes, were not as adept in such behavior as practicing homosexuals."

Of the Brown Shirts, historian Thomas Fuchs says, "The principle function of this army-like organization was beating up on anyone who opposed the Nazis, and Hitler believed this was a job best undertaken by homosexuals."

Historian H.R. Knickerbocker writes, "Roehm, as the head of 2,500,000 Storm Troops, had surrounded himself with a staff of perverts. His chiefs were almost without exception homosexuals. Indeed, unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual, he had no chance of advancement."

Most of Hitler's closest aides were homosexuals or sexual deviants. This circle included not only Roehm but the Hitler Youth leader, the Minister of Justice, the Minister of Economics, Hermann Goering (who may not have been homosexual but who liked to dress in drag, paint his nails and put rouge on his cheeks), his personal attorney and his bodyguards. Hitler himself likely functioned as a male prostitute in the days of his youth in Vienna.

Heinrich Himmler, second in power only to Hitler, was publicly opposed to homosexuality but may have been a closet homosexual himself, and served Roehm faithfully and loyally until Roehm fell out of Hitler's favor. Himmler was deeply immersed in the occult, as was Hitler, which led them ultimately to replace every Christian holiday on the German calendar with a pagan counterpart.

In fact, Jews and clergy alike were targets of Nazi wrath. One of the favorite tunes of the Brown Shirts contained this line, "Storm Trooper Comrades, hang the Jews and put the priests against the wall."

In sum, as Lively points out, the masculine homosexual movement in Germany created the Brown Shirts, and the Brown Shirts in turn created the Nazi Party.

There of course is no question that the Nazis rounded up effeminate homosexuals and a great many of them died in slave labor camps as a result of mistreatment and disease. Historians estimate that less than one percent of Europe's homosexual community died at the hands of the Nazis. While even one such death is too many, this pales in comparison to the 85% of Europe's Jews who, unlike homosexuals, were sent to gas chambers.

Many of the guards and administrators responsible for concentration camp horrors were themselves homosexuals. Famous Nazi hunter Elie Weisel was sent to Auschwitz, where he discovered that the head of his part of the camp "loved children," and observed that "there was a considerable traffic in young children among homosexuals there."

A Nazi administrator at Treblinka, according to one historian, "had a harem of little Jewish boys" and "sought in Treblinka only the satisfaction of his homosexual instincts."

In some camps, SS guards would actually sponsor lotteries to see which of the "young attractive homosexuals" would go to whom, while at the same time, according to one historian, they "lashed out with special fury against those who showed effeminate traits." A Pink Triangle survivor said, "The ones who were soft were the ones who suffered terribly."

The "Butch" homosexual guards and capos were capable of unrestrained cruelty, sadism and savagery. A guard at Auschwitz, for instance, strangled, crushed and gnawed to death as many as 100 boys and young men a day while raping them at his leisure.

Historian Frank Rector writes of a film made by the SS "that was secretly made for the enjoyment of a select coterie of Nazis showing a wild drunken orgy of beautiful boys and handsome young men being whipped, raped and murdered by the SS."

Even today in America, it is chic in some homosexual circles for individuals to wear replicas of Nazi Germany uniforms, complete with iron crosses, storm trooper outfits, military boots and even swastikas.

Some parts of the American Nazi movement are explicitly homosexual. The National Socialist League, in fact, at last word restricts its membership to homosexual Nazis.

What's the point here? Simply that there is another side to the constant refrain from homosexual activists who frequently mention the Nazi persecution of homosexuals and in so doing imply that Christians who oppose the normalization of homosexuality are in effect crypto-Nazis.

The truth is that Christians and certain portions of the homosexual community alike had much to fear from the Nazis.

As has been famously said, those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it. Nazi Germany became the horror that it was because it rejected both Christianity and its clear teaching about human sexuality. These are mistakes no sane culture should ever make again.

(Source: The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, by Scott Lively, Founders Publishing Foundation, 1995.)

Bryan Fischer




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NateR
12-21-2009, 06:41 PM
Not so hard to believe at all:
http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/nazi_rad_we-build-body-and-soul.jpg?w=293&h=398

Back before we were all slaves to politically-correct thought, it was pretty well established that homosexuality was rampant among the Nazis.

NateR
12-21-2009, 06:55 PM
I found that image on this blog that's somewhat related to this thread. It talks about how the Gay Rights movement in America started in pre-WW2 Germany and their rise to power in our country is very similar to how the Nazis took over Germany:
http://startheory.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/reclaiming-the-rainbow/

Crisco
12-21-2009, 07:09 PM
Yea I was well aware of all of this.

It should be mentioned that not every homo is a child molesting rapist murderer.


It is a myth that the Nazi's persecuted all homosexuals it was the girly one that got the boot. However, a lot of that article is pure speculation.

Crisco
12-21-2009, 07:11 PM
I will say I am surprised however that the Nazi's would promote such behavior considering they wanted to have as many Nazi babies as possible.

Most of these man it seems had children of their own nd wives so I'm guess that just did the Homo thing out of pure sexual desire.

NateR
12-21-2009, 07:11 PM
It should be mentioned that not every homo is a child molesting rapist murderer.

Yet...

:laugh: Seriously, we all know that, but what is troubling is how the actions of this fringe group (that makes up less than 1% of our population) has been given the authority to rewrite morality and dictate how everyone else is allowed to act, talk and think.

Crisco
12-21-2009, 07:12 PM
Yet.

:laugh: Seriously, we all know that, but what is troubling is how the actions of this fringe group (that makes up less than 1% of our population) has been given the authority to rewrite morality and dictate how everyone else is allowed to act, talk and think.

Tis America I'm afraid.

Crisco
12-21-2009, 07:13 PM
You can believe anything you want as long as it's what the liberal's believe.

NateR
12-21-2009, 07:14 PM
I will say I am surprised however that the Nazi's would promote such behavior considering they wanted to have as many Nazi babies as possible.

Most of these man it seems had children of their own nd wives so I'm guess that just did the Homo thing out of pure sexual desire.

Well, the Nazis also told women that it was their duty, married or not, to have sex with as many Nazi men as possible in order to propagate the master race. So, they weren't exactly standing up for traditional family values.

NateR
12-21-2009, 07:22 PM
You can believe anything you want as long as it's what the liberal's believe.

:laugh:

According to Liberals:

You have freedom of choice, as long as they get to dictate the choices for you.

You have freedom of speech, as long as you never disagree with anything a Liberal says.

You have freedom of religion, as long as you keep GOD secondary to the government.

Liberals value all life, unless you are an infant, elderly, obese, a smoker, or live some other lifestyle that they deem as high-risk. In those cases, they'll just take over healthcare to ensure that you are properly exterminated.

You have the right to make as much money as you want... oh wait, no you don't. You're money belongs to them and they alone get to dictate how much you are allowed to have to ensure your basic survival (remember, starvation builds character and lowers your willpower to resist Liberals).

que
12-21-2009, 09:10 PM
there is homosexuality everywhere and for all time. in churches, governments, even in the golden days of Greece the upper class was always talked about their sexual affinity for young boys and men

Crisco
12-21-2009, 09:33 PM
It wasn't just the upper class.

Greek athletes would always have younger athletes they would "mentor"

Sexual depravitity has been present in every era and every region of the world since the start and it will continue.

The Third Reich was not ruled by your normal run of the mill homo's it was ruled by a class of men who where obvious sociopaths and had serious sadistic issues. Picture the Hostel movies on a grand scale.

NateR
12-21-2009, 09:50 PM
The Third Reich was not ruled by your normal run of the mill homo's it was ruled by a class of men who where obvious sociopaths and had serious sadistic issues. Picture the Hostel movies on a grand scale.

Yeah, the homosexuals in the Third Reich had a different mentality from the stereotypical homosexual that we think of today. These men were ultra-masculine and believed that they were actually closer to the "real man" ideal, even more so then heterosexual men. This particular type of homosexual would find effeminate gays to be detestable and even subhuman.

Crisco
12-21-2009, 10:12 PM
Yeah, the homosexuals in the Third Reich had a different mentality from the stereotypical homosexual that we think of today. These men were ultra-masculine and believed that they were actually closer to the "real man" ideal, even more so then heterosexual men. This particular type of homosexual would find effeminate gays to be detestable and even subhuman.

How going down on a dude makes you manly is beyond me but hey everyones different I guess.

NateR
12-21-2009, 10:16 PM
How going down on a dude makes you manly is beyond me but hey everyones different I guess.

It just demonstrates the depths of their perversion. You can't apply logic to the thoughts of the mentally ill.

Crisco
12-21-2009, 10:20 PM
It just demonstrates the depths of their perversion. You can't apply logic to the thoughts of the mentally ill.

Exactly.


We're so manly we don't even use women for sex we just do other manly dudes.


The third reich was a breeding ground for that behavior. In history whenever a human being has had the ability to fulfil their sickest fantasies without reprisal the extent that they carry it is unreal.

Roman Emperor's are a great example of what absolute power can do to you.

atomdanger
12-22-2009, 02:09 AM
*yawn*

History has seen much worse than Hitler,
but he is definitely still the boogey man.

Thanks History Channel.

NateR
12-22-2009, 02:37 AM
*yawn*

History has seen much worse than Hitler,
but he is definitely still the boogey man.

Thanks History Channel.

I would agree for the most part, although I wouldn't lay the blame completely on the History Channel. We knew he was an evil bastard long before cable TV. In fact, he was a pop culture target even before America entered WW2:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/Barada73/1941-captainamericacomics1.jpg

There have been plenty of evil men and evil leaders throughout history. Hitler is just one of the most recent (along with Stalin, Mao Zedong, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.).

atomdanger
12-22-2009, 04:07 AM
I would agree for the most part, although I wouldn't lay the blame completely on the History Channel. We knew he was an evil bastard long before cable TV. In fact, he was a pop culture target even before America entered WW2:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/Barada73/1941-captainamericacomics1.jpg

There have been plenty of evil men and evil leaders throughout history. Hitler is just one of the most recent (along with Stalin, Mao Zedong, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.).

haha how did you find that????

I wonder what that comic is worth, badass!

bradwright
12-22-2009, 04:07 AM
I would agree for the most part, although I wouldn't lay the blame completely on the History Channel. We knew he was an evil bastard long before cable TV. In fact, he was a pop culture target even before America entered WW2:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/Barada73/1941-captainamericacomics1.jpg

There have been plenty of evil men and evil leaders throughout history. Hitler is just one of the most recent (along with Stalin, Mao Zedong, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.).
you're slipping a bit Nate...i dont see Obama's name there any where..:huh:

NateR
12-22-2009, 04:28 AM
haha how did you find that????

I wonder what that comic is worth, badass!

It's Captain America #1, from 1941, one of the most famous comic book covers in history. :cool:

In mint condition, it would be about $190,000; but they have sold for as high as $265,000. :scared0011:

NateR
12-22-2009, 04:37 AM
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you're slipping a bit Nate...i dont see Obama's name there any where..:huh:

Well, my list was focusing on mass murderers; but I'm sure that Obama will get his mass-murderer status after the healthcare bill passes, so don't worry.

bradwright
12-22-2009, 04:50 AM
Well, my list was focusing on mass murderers; but I'm sure that Obama will get his mass-murderer status after the healthcare bill passes, so don't worry.

lol...you are a very funny ostrich...er i meant to say guy...you're a funny funny guy.:laugh:

NateR
12-22-2009, 04:54 AM
lol...you are a very funny ostrich...er i meant to say guy...you're a funny funny guy.:laugh:

Thanks, I wish I could say that it was meant as a joke. :sad:

bradwright
12-22-2009, 04:57 AM
Thanks, I wish I could say that it was meant as a joke. :sad:

i know you weren't joking Nate...thats why i said you were funny.:wink:

NateR
12-22-2009, 05:00 AM
i know you weren't joking Nate...thats why i said you were funny.:wink:

Well, I'm one of the people who would likely benefit from this healthcare plan the most; but it still scares the crap out of me. It's like watching our country die right before my eyes.

bradwright
12-22-2009, 05:12 AM
Well, I'm one of the people who would likely benefit from this healthcare plan the most; but it still scares the crap out of me. It's like watching our country die right before my eyes.

i dont in any way think i know all the answers but right now there are a lot of people in your country that cant afford health care and a lot of the ones that are covered by some sort of insurance find out that its inadequate when someone in the family gets seriously ill.
the plan that is proposed would help to alleviate some of the money pressures that arise when someone is sick long term....it may be far from perfect but its better then what a lot of your fellow citizens have now.

NateR
12-22-2009, 05:26 AM
i dont in any way think i know all the answers but right now there are a lot of people in your country that cant afford health care and a lot of the ones that are covered by some sort of insurance find out that its inadequate when someone in the family gets seriously ill.
the plan that is proposed would help to alleviate some of the money pressures that arise when someone is sick long term....it may be far from perfect but its better then what a lot of your fellow citizens have now.

Well, if the government is running it, then we can guarantee that it will be worse. You forget that I'm someone who lived with government run healthcare for over ten years while I was in the Army. The government can't even run the Post Office properly, how in the world are we supposed to trust them to make decisions that may determine whether we live or die?:huh:

This plan is completely misguided and essentially just a giant bailout for the insurance companies. It's going to do very little to help the average American citizen. In fact, people are going to be fined and maybe even put in jail for NOT having health insurance under this plan. :blink: How is that helping matters, other than forcing people to feed more money into the corrupt insurance system (on top of the increased taxes that this plan will require)?

I'm not even going to touch on the taxpayer funded abortions, I'm already pissed off enough here.

bradwright
12-22-2009, 05:54 AM
Well, if the government is running it, then we can guarantee that it will be worse. You forget that I'm someone who lived with government run healthcare for over ten years while I was in the Army. The government can't even run the Post Office properly, how in the world are we supposed to trust them to make decisions that may determine whether we live or die?:huh:

This plan is completely misguided and essentially just a giant bailout for the insurance companies. It's going to do very little to help the average American citizen. In fact, people are going to be fined and maybe even put in jail for NOT having health insurance under this plan. :blink: How is that helping matters, other than forcing people to feed more money into the corrupt insurance system (on top of the increased taxes that this plan will require)?

I'm not even going to touch on the taxpayer funded abortions, I'm already pissed off enough here.

you may be right about this proposed plan....i dont really know because i have never read the thing but i think now i will.

i understand your frustration but if your right and this is just bail out for insurance companies then what would you think should be done.
say what ever you want about the state of health care in Canada but i know from experience how it works here and its nothing like most Americans believe it to be...now im not saying that your government is proposing anything like ours but if it were then its not the big bad wolf that a lot of people think it is.

i just think a person shouldn't have to go bankrupt because they fell ill...both my parents were diagnosed with cancer a number of years ago and both were given the very best care that was available to them at the time and it never once cost them anything.
if only greed could be replaced by compassion...then you and I wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

atomdanger
12-22-2009, 07:43 AM
It's Captain America #1, from 1941, one of the most famous comic book covers in history. :cool:

In mint condition, it would be about $190,000; but they have sold for as high as $265,000. :scared0011:

Wow...