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12-18-2009, 07:53 PM
:unsure-1: It appears The President of The United States of America, and The Premier of The Peoples Republic of China have not entirely aggreed in Copenhagen during the last day of Talks on Climate Change.

The Chinese and The Americans are the two largest Polluters of the Planet, one is classed as Developed, one is still classed as developing. They cant aggree on several key issues.

China would really like America to actually specify just how much it plans to cut back on greenhouse gasses by 2020, They have suggested 45% :laugh:

America would really like to set up a regulatory body to monitor the Developing countries for fear of distrust that they plan on reducing waste at all, coming in the wake of Chinese Revelation that they plan to halve their emmissions. :rolleyes:

China believes that as part of the Developing world, the Americans should include them in a Climate Debt payment of some kind. The Americans do not aggree, and even if they did are not really interested in naming either a figure, or in what form this "debt" should be showed (please note this may have nothing to do with financial expenses)

The Chinese insist on their Status as being Developing, thereby associating themselves with the same allowances owed to and thought of for the poorest of African Countries.

The Americans are not happy with this classification as in reality Chinese Economy is booming and extremely productive and dare we say for the elite, maybe even wealthy.

Are the Chinese playing the victim whilst pretending to be developing to get special provisions?
Are the Americans disinclined to actually specify targets in an attempt not to commit?

Both Leaders addressed the Conference in public, and so...different...was their emphasis, that it prompted a direct face to face private meeting between Capitalist West and Communist East following American admission of deep mistrust, and Terrible hummiliation of the Chinese, who were said to be feeling highly embarrised by President Barack Obama.

The Whole World would like some kinda of formal aggreement so that a verse of international law maybe created. But China and The United States have pretty much said they dont like each other, dont trust each other, and niether one will comprimise out of fear of giving an economic or financial advantage to the other.

This might be the first time an open hostility between the actual leaders of these Nations has happened in a public arena. It prooves that China is begining to become a Super-Power and is begining to pose a significant threat to America, even if only over the issues of Climate change.

Here is what President Barack Obama Said:

The question, then, before us is no longer the nature of the challenge -- the question is our capacity to meet it. For while the reality of climate change is not in doubt, I have to be honest, as the world watches us today, I think our ability to take collective action is in doubt right now, and it hangs in the balance.
I believe we can act boldly, and decisively, in the face of a common threat. That's why I come here today -- not to talk, but to act.

So I want this plenary session to understand, America is going to continue on this course of action to mitigate our emissions and to move towards a clean energy economy, no matter what happens here in Copenhagen. We think it is good for us, as well as good for the world. But we also believe that we will all be stronger, all be safer, all be more secure if we act together. That's why it is in our mutual interest to achieve a global accord in which we agree to certain steps, and to hold each other accountable to certain commitments.

First, all major economies must put forward decisive national actions that will reduce their emissions, and begin to turn the corner on climate change. I'm pleased that many of us have already done so. Almost all the major economies have put forward legitimate targets, significant targets, ambitious targets. And I'm confident that America will fulfill the commitments that we have made: cutting our emissions in the range of 17 percent by 2020, and by more than 80 percent by 2050 in line with final legislation.

Second, we must have a mechanism to review whether we are keeping our commitments, and exchange this information in a transparent manner. These measures need not be intrusive, or infringe upon sovereignty. They must, however, ensure that an accord is credible, and that we're living up to our obligations. Without such accountability, any agreement would be empty words on a page.

I don't know how you have an international agreement where we all are not sharing information and ensuring that we are meeting our commitments. That doesn't make sense. It would be a hollow victory.

Number three, we must have financing that helps developing countries adapt, particularly the least developed and most vulnerable countries to climate change. America will be a part of fast-start funding that will ramp up to $10 billion by 2012. And yesterday, Secretary Hillary Clinton, my Secretary of State, made it clear that we will engage in a global effort to mobilize $100 billion in financing by 2020, if -- and only if -- it is part of a broader accord that I have just described.

Mitigation. Transparency. Financing. It's a clear formula -- one that embraces the principle of common but differentiated responses and respective capabilities. And it adds up to a significant accord -- one that takes us farther than we have ever gone before as an international community.

I just want to say to this plenary session that we are running short on time. And at this point, the question is whether we will move forward together or split apart, whether we prefer posturing to action. I'm sure that many consider this an imperfect framework that I just described. No country will get everything that it wants. There are those developing countries that want aid with no strings attached, and no obligations with respect to transparency. They think that the most advanced nations should pay a higher price; I understand that. There are those advanced nations who think that developing countries either cannot absorb this assistance, or that will not be held accountable effectively, and that the world's fastest-growing emitters should bear a greater share of the burden

And with that, 1.8 Billion Chinese People burst into tears after having been given a most sincere public bollocking by the most powerful man on the planet


12-18-2009, 08:21 PM
Wen Jibao, also addressed the Conference

He began by detailing what China has apparently done thus far Including how his country was the first nation to develope a legal system of Laws for climate control and waste management. Also including systems of better raw material sourcing, and environmental projects. He moves on to talk about the Growth of his Nations use of green energies...please note, at every step of the process, the Premier is spouting statistics, he mentions raw products by name, he mentions percentages of betterment in projects in terms of waste production. He talks about the chinese landscape, about returning farmland to forrests

He uses a United Nations Taxonomical Device to try and proove that China is not a developed Nation. He claims with a high population and with a certain amount of the population classified as poverty stricken, that the nation however successful and growth prone it may be, is actually not a first world country.

He then talks about committment to the process. He is however not talking about an organisation of inspectors, but he is saying that there are some nations who have already prooved their worth voluntarily in the past. He then references The Kyoto Protocol...of course, this is something the Americans flatly refused to sign up to. He explains that the summit and the Laws produced from it, must be a natural follow on from these previous alliances, or which His Country has shown itself of worth (fill in the obvious blank there, that he is of course by default saying that some of them have been working at this for years...and the United States is NOT one of those nations, so how dare it pick a bone with His country, who has been party for a longer period of time)

He then goes on to say that Developed countries produce 80 percent of the worlds pollution, and have done since the Western Industrial Revolutions 200 years previous. Please note...he is NOT including China in that 80 percent, and is shrugging responsibilities of supporting others...infact, rather then supporting the third world, he is claiming to be the third world, and thus he expects to be in on those who gain compensation from the first world.

Namely, he believes that America owes China for two Hundred years of soiling the Earth...just as much as America might owe...the Congo for example.

Then he ends with saying that Countries not only should specify EXACTLY what they plan to do AND how they plan to do them...but...another key thing here, he is clinging to the already established Statutes of Kyoto and saying THAT should be the basis of what the First World should have as targets.

Of course...the United States dissagreed with those Statutes in the first place.

The Chinese report is very much Quantatitive, and substantial. Barack Obama was, as he always is Highly Qualitative, but a little light on substance. The problem with Obama is he's simply a motivational speaker, and sometimes what we really want is practical answers from him. He mentioned one vauge reference to a vauge emmision decrease....the rest was just hopes and dreams. He didnt outline what America had already done, or how it would do what it planned.