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KENTUCKYREDBONE
12-15-2009, 01:38 PM
http://www.thedogpress.com/Columns/Jade/06_Media.Bias_07.htm

Spiritwalker
12-15-2009, 02:09 PM
I gotta love the end quote...

“Don't wanna be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's calling out to idiot America.”

Llamafighter
12-15-2009, 04:44 PM
I've only been around a few pitbulls in my life and I have to say that all of them were some of the nicest dogs I've ever played with.

VCURamFan
12-15-2009, 05:01 PM
I gotta love the end quote...

“Don't wanna be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's calling out to idiot America.”
The really ironic thing about that song (by Green Day) is that they're railing against the Bush administration for using the media to lie to the people...:Whistle:

Mac
12-15-2009, 05:18 PM
Pit Bulls are a worthless breed that need to be exterminated. Ive battled on here before over the worthlessness of those animals . Ive been through the whole argument " But its how thier raised" , No no its not . it is bred into them , it has been bred into them for who knows how long . It is bred into them the same way a 9 week old bird dog pup of my dads can point quail at 9 weeks old . IT IS BRED INTO IT !!!! They are just like a handgrenade , only difference is you know when a hand grenade is going to go off , the pitbull you dont .

Just a couple weeks ago this happened in the small town of flora Illinois , just south of effingham , My uncle actually lives on the same street , I never heard about it on the news , he called me and told me it had happened. Tell this womans family , whom wont be spending Christmas with her that pitbulls are nice dogs.

On November 30, 2009, at approximately 2:18 p.m., Clay County 911 dispatch center received a 911 call of a pit bull attacking a woman at a residence on the 200 block of Austin Ave. here in Flora. The 911 telecommunicator dispatched Flora City Police Officers and Clay County Ambulance Paramedics to that location.

Upon officer’s arrival, neighbors had gained control of the pit bull which had attacked an elderly female. The pit bull had apparently also attacked and killed a smaller dog owned by the victim. Officers along with citizens rendered first aid to the victim until paramedics arrived. The efforts to save the elderly female were not successful.

Pronounced dead at the scene by Clay Co. Coroner Gary Bright was 85-year-old Rosie Humphreys of Flora. It appeared she died of injuries she received from the attack by the pit bull. The dog’s owner and police officers were able to contain the dog in a pet carrier until Clay County Animal Control personnel arrived. An autopsy has been scheduled for Dec. 1, 2009.

Nicholson would like to thank the assistance provided to his agency by the Clay County sheriff’s office, Clay County state’s attorney’s office, Flora/Clay Co. animal control/health department and by the crime scene services provided by the Illinois State Police.

End of press release.

you can find more reports on that here

http://www.disclosurenewsonline.com/?p=1550

Mac
12-15-2009, 05:30 PM
I tell you what . i couldnt even make it through a quarter of that article before i realised this woman was an idiot . I just get so pissed off , i mean , fighting pissed off thinking about people sticking up for these dogs and how completely screwed up in the head the owners of them are.

this might strike you as odd but, back to that " i come in peace " thread i posted with the polar bear. I mentioned i couldnt shoot a polar bear , i just couldnt bring myself to do it . But ill tell ya what i could do , i would not have a problem taking an entire basket of pitbull puppies with bows in thier hair ,,,,, and skinning them out to make speaker covers , or wallets , whatever you could use thier worthless hide for. Seriously , id just grab em by thier little back feet , bounce there heads off the bumper and skin em out just like a rabbit . As a matter of fact , i think i would get great enjoyment out of it .


If you cant tell , i absolutley 100% despise the breed.

TENNESSEAN
12-15-2009, 06:10 PM
mental note to self.
no pitbull puppy for macs xmas gift.:)

TexasRN
12-15-2009, 06:22 PM
mental note to self.
no pitbull puppy for macs xmas gift.:)

Maybe not, but wrapping the gift in pit bull puppy wrapping paper would be GREAT! :laugh:


~Amy

Mac
12-15-2009, 06:33 PM
I tried typing in

Beagle Attack , Labrador Attack , Basset Hound Attack . English Pointer Attack , Weeney dog Attack , Nope . Nothin . Then i typed in Pitbull attack .......... WOW ,


Pit bulls kill 7 year old Boy while he was playing in his yard with his familys pitbull puppys! Wonder how the parents feel being responsible for thier sons death ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ65seGlL0A

Or how bout this little boy , also 7 down in texas . he was playing with his buddies out in the yard when 4 pitbulls tore him apart and killed him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbR7aWBM1tI

10 year old Amber , Killed by her neighbors pitbull . She even fed and walked the dog for her neighbor , but one day it decided to jump the fence , attack and kill her
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RDlaF4i6o0

2 year old Holden Jarnigan . Killed just before Christmas .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37L6_xyURIw&feature=related

How bout 10 year old Billy ? He didnt get killed . Just disfigured
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yVHX8-k7aQ&feature=related

a 5 year old little girl killed by a pitbull while playing in her yard with a friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W82rbDz5mjQ

This family raised 2 pitbulls since they were puppys . They were those " nice family pitbulls" so many people defend . until one day the dogs turned and killed thier 6 year old daughter .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUJ6kRqeJco&feature=related


This is another Family pitbull . One day the friendly playful pitbull turned on thier 6 year old daughter Isis . The dog broke her neck in the mauling and killed her also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t_Kuefo5-E&feature=related

Hey , this lady raised this one also from a young age . No it didnt kill her , It just ripped her arm off and chewed huge chunks out of her
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mef5uvKP_4Q&feature=fvw

Family pet Pitbulls maul and Kill 12 year old Nicky Fabish .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GALcsSJcDg

3 year old tony evans , Killed by pitbull
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yX0nxlb7U

2 year old little boy mauled and killed by yet another pitbull .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgWSJTtX16g



I could keep going but ill quit . These dogs need to be outlawed.

Shoots like a girl
12-15-2009, 07:00 PM
Mac~ I couldnt agree more. Im an insurance agent and Pit Bull is AT THE TOP of unacceptable breeds for a VERY good reason. The statistics speak for themselves. I cant insure a home in Indiana or Illinois that has a pit bull. I am truely afraid of them and wont allow my children to be near them. ~ Carla

I tried typing in

Beagle Attack , Labrador Attack , Basset Hound Attack . English Pointer Attack , Weeney dog Attack , Nope . Nothin . Then i typed in Pitbull attack .......... WOW ,


Pit bulls kill 7 year old Boy while he was playing in his yard with his familys pitbull puppys! Wonder how the parents feel being responsible for thier sons death ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ65seGlL0A

Or how bout this little boy , also 7 down in texas . he was playing with his buddies out in the yard when 4 pitbulls tore him apart and killed him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbR7aWBM1tI

10 year old Amber , Killed by her neighbors pitbull . She even fed and walked the dog for her neighbor , but one day it decided to jump the fence , attack and kill her
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RDlaF4i6o0

2 year old Holden Jarnigan . Killed just before Christmas .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37L6_xyURIw&feature=related

How bout 10 year old Billy ? He didnt get killed . Just disfigured
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yVHX8-k7aQ&feature=related

a 5 year old little girl killed by a pitbull while playing in her yard with a friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W82rbDz5mjQ

This family raised 2 pitbulls since they were puppys . They were those " nice family pitbulls" so many people defend . until one day the dogs turned and killed thier 6 year old daughter .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUJ6kRqeJco&feature=related


This is another Family pitbull . One day the friendly playful pitbull turned on thier 6 year old daughter Isis . The dog broke her neck in the mauling and killed her also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t_Kuefo5-E&feature=related

Hey , this lady raised this one also from a young age . No it didnt kill her , It just ripped her arm off and chewed huge chunks out of her
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mef5uvKP_4Q&feature=fvw

Family pet Pitbulls maul and Kill 12 year old Nicky Fabish .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GALcsSJcDg

3 year old tony evans , Killed by pitbull
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yX0nxlb7U

2 year old little boy mauled and killed by yet another pitbull .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgWSJTtX16g



I could keep going but ill quit . These dogs need to be outlawed.

TENNESSEAN
12-15-2009, 08:39 PM
Weeney dog Attack :scared0015:
gotta watch those weeney dogs:laugh:

Twinsmama
12-15-2009, 09:05 PM
I'm an insurance agent also. Always the first on unacceptable breed list. I agree with Mac 100% up til that skinning them thing. I have known many people including family members that have had pits. I have seen (with my own eyes) their craziness. I have seen them turn on their owners. I have seen many guys that hog hunt with pits because of the natural instinct to latch on and not let go.

I can not jog down my road because of the pits that growl and chase my car (obviously they would chase me...I can't run that fast!) Some of my neighbors pits even have wondered up to my house and growled at me. Since I have woods all around my house and not many neighbors there are a lot of dogs. it seems at least 50% are pits. I think most of them are used for hunting.

I think pit bulls are bad breeds. i'm sure there are some that are great but i've known enough bad ones not to trust them.

Crisco
12-15-2009, 09:06 PM
Maybe search for a bigger dog mac?

How about doberman, boxer, rotwiler(sp)

That's like saying I'll test the punching power of IVan drago against a midget.

The key to keeping a pitbull civil is to make sure they never taste blood.

TENNESSEAN
12-15-2009, 09:20 PM
The key to keeping a pitbull civil is to make sure they never taste blood.

or breath oxygen!!

Neezar
12-15-2009, 09:37 PM
Maybe search for a bigger dog mac?

How about doberman, boxer, rotwiler(sp)

That's like saying I'll test the punching power of IVan drago against a midget.

The key to keeping a pitbull civil is to make sure they never taste blood.

Every pit has a first time. Are you saying that someone allows them to taste blood before their first attack? Think about how much that statement makes NO sense. None.

DonnaMaria
12-15-2009, 09:52 PM
I lived next to a family with a Pitbull and I couldn't let my girls play outside for two years without someone in my family standing guard with a shotgun. The dog constantly tried to jump the fence to attack them. Every time I called Animal Control they laughed at me and told me that I just wasn't used to big dogs. ( This was just weeks after my old Rottie passed away. A wonderful dog who was NEVER agressive in his life and never attacked/bit anyone.) I was just waiting for that damn dog to actually jump the fence but it never did! UGH!

The Pit was allowed to threaten my girls until it killed another pet in the area. Then it was put down. Finally.

Mac
12-15-2009, 10:24 PM
ohh i know dobermans have attacked as well as rotties . but when it comes right down to it , pitbull attack numbers are wayyyyyyyy more. I dont know the exact stats .

Mac
12-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Yeah Crisco , i like ya buddy , but that statement makes no sence. I could feed our beagle coagulated blood and im pretty sure he isnt going to turn into a man eater. However the instinct is imbedded in the pitbull breed as soon as they are born . It just depends on when and what is going to flip the kill switch inside.

DonnaMaria
12-15-2009, 10:29 PM
oh, I also wanted to mention that now I have a Cane Corso ( Italian Mastiff) and he is a BIG DOG, but not agressive at all. In fact I distrust our little Carin Terrier but I trust Titus completely. So it's not a anti big dog bias in my case.

I guess it comes down to responsible ownership. When I got my Rottie and Mastiff ( from the same breeder actually ) I had to sign off that I would put the animal down if it EVER showed the slightest sign of aggression. Ever. Any sign. Even the smallest thing. Because it was too dangerous to ignore.

I'm sure that the Pits who ended up attacking and killing probably had small signs of aggression that the owners ignored. And that comes down to being irresponsible as a pet owner.

Tyburn
12-15-2009, 10:45 PM
Well I dont really like any kind of dog. I verge on being phobic of them actually. The stupidly small sausage dogs I could cope with...but anything bigger, you know, I dont and wouldnt choose to be around them, I certainly wouldnt interact with them, I would try extremely hard not to touch them, and would never, ever play with them...I dont like them. I hate the loud barking noises that they make, I dont like the way they always try and jump up at you...I dont perceive that as being playful or happy, I perceive that as being extremely threatening and most uncomfortable...I used to do a paper round...and every week this dumbass dog would be waiting for me outside his house.

I came to hate it, I mean, really hate it...the house had an immense driveway, and it was gravel, so their was no way of being quick or quiet...and the moment I set foot on that property, this heafty and loud bellowing object on four legs would come bounding up, it would bark, it would jump at my paper bag, and it would snarl at me when I did my best to ignore it, or managed to walk past/through it without stopping...it would get between me and the doors letterbox, through which I was supposed to post they paper, and that was bloody awkward, because then it was being held up against a hard wall, and dogs...well most animals actually...do not like to feel they are being trapped...but the creature just wouldnt move out of the way, it did it deliberately, because it knew that I would find that irritating...bloody dog was sadistic...I admit, I might, once or twice have accidently on purpose made contact with its head through the paper I was trying to get rid of :ninja:...which was fantastic...coz then the twat would think I was playing with him :rolleyes:...and it would want to explore how many times it could leap and strike the paper so hard with its head that it would be knocked out of my hands...then we'd have the situation where I wanted to pick it up...and the monster would take it as a challenge to do everything within its power to make that simple task as difficult as possible.

I really hate dogs

NateR
12-15-2009, 11:04 PM
I had a friend in the Army who was a big fan of pit bulls and he had one as a pet the entire time I knew him. Probably one of the nicest and friendliest dogs I had ever seen. Of course, there was that one instance where he attacked the neighbor kid and practically disemboweled the boy and my friend was forced to have him put down; but up until that point he was the perfect dog.

DonnaMaria
12-15-2009, 11:20 PM
:laugh:

bradwright
12-15-2009, 11:37 PM
a number of years ago i was friends with a girl that had an Uncle with a Pit Bull and every time she would visit him the dog was always as friendly as could be...i use to tell her to be very carefull around that dog but she said he was just a big softie and there was nothing to worry about...well one day she went over to her Uncles place and stopped to pet the dog for a few minutes like she had done so many times before and the dog attacked her and knocked her to the ground...it took her Uncle several blows with a baseball bat to get the dog off but not before half of her face was ripped off.... ever since then she has a huge scar that go's from the top of her head and down the middle of her face to below her chin....she was lucky though....she still has her eyes...yup... Pit Bulls make good pets alright.

matthughesfan21
12-15-2009, 11:37 PM
I had a friend in the Army who was a big fan of pit bulls and he had one as a pet the entire time I knew him. Probably one of the nicest and friendliest dogs I had ever seen. Of course, there was that one instance where he attacked the neighbor kid and practically disemboweled the boy and my friend was forced to have him put down; but up until that point he was the perfect dog.did that really happen?

I know Pits have been known to do that, but you said it so nonchalantly :laugh:

MattHughesRocks
12-16-2009, 02:58 AM
Pit bulls need love to :wub:

NateR
12-16-2009, 03:02 AM
did that really happen?

I know Pits have been known to do that, but you said it so nonchalantly :laugh:

Yes, it really happened and my 'nonchalant-ness" was intentional.

The kid was a bloody mess after my friend pulled the pit bull off of him. He ultimately didn't have any major injuries, but not because the dog was exercising self-control by any means.

billwilliams70
12-16-2009, 03:13 AM
I understand the whole "bred into the breed" theory that mac has and the comparison to a pointer that can point at 9 weeks old....because that behavior is bred into it. But I do want to say this. If dogs aren't brought up in an environment where their "bred into" instincts aren't fostered, they tend to become a diminished tendency of the breed.

Do people that own Dalmations have to control their dogs when fire trucks drive by?

While I agree that the pit bull breed is an aggressive breed, I also believe that it's a special breed that should be raised by people that have the ability to raise a dog the right way, the dog shouldn't be treated as if it's a Golden Retriever.

Later.

flo
12-16-2009, 07:38 AM
I agree with Bill.

Neezar
12-16-2009, 09:34 AM
Do people that own Dalmations have to control their dogs when fire trucks drive by?

Later.

:laugh:

cheachea
12-16-2009, 11:53 AM
Pits are great dogs, if properly trained and have a good owner but they are not for everyone. They are very loyal to there owners and usually pick up on the personality of the owners. Alot of Scuzzy people own pitbulls, so naturally the pitbull is going to adapt to it's surroundings. I got to admit that some are just bad apples but that doesn't mean every single pit is bad period.
I really like american bulldogs because they have the muscle like a pit but they are not as scary looking.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
12-16-2009, 12:11 PM
I've met Pit's that I liked! Plus as the article pointed out sometimes the stats are scewed by people misidentifying the dog breed!

Spiritwalker
12-16-2009, 12:13 PM
I have to say that I am crazy shocked by some of the replies I have seen in this thread...

Pit Bulls are wonderful dogs... I had one for 14 years, looking to get another after Christmas (don't want to try and house break a dog over the holidays).

My shihan has 2...GREAT dogs.. a good friend in Boston has 2 also..

I have NEVER seen or heard of a person I know that has a Pit Bull "turn" like I am reading about.. normally it seems that there is a reason for this to happen.

People love to bash on Pit Bulls, but when you dive deep in to dog attacks, the numbers are no higher than other working class breeds.

I have had Shepards, and many other big dogs my whole life... it is not the dog, it's how they are raised.

Me and Gambit YEARS ago.. yeah.. I still had hair..
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp224/daspiritwalker/meandgambit.jpg

Tore his ACL..
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp224/daspiritwalker/gambit-cast.jpg

Gambit and Zaylen playing..
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp224/daspiritwalker/Untitled-1-1.jpg

With my 6(?) month old son
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp224/daspiritwalker/dog.jpg


Chris' dog
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp224/daspiritwalker/EyBallParty4GREATDOG.jpg


Gambit was a great dog and I remember if my wife and I would start to raise our voices a little at each other, he would go sit with the kids..he would have died protecting them...I used to have to travel 4-5 days a week and I hated leaving my family at home alone.. but I knew that should someone break into my house.. Gambit would feast.. or at the very least, keep them occupied while my wife pulled the gun and shot them...

You should not by into media flame fanning.. most people don't really even know what a pit bull looks like. But if there is a dog attack of some kind..."It must have been a pit bull" I could give you chapter and verse of dog attacks that were horrible... that were not done by working class breeds.. I know a lady that has scars on her arms from one of those "toy dogs"...


For the fun of it.. Me in Vegas.. and one of the jobs I was on..

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp224/daspiritwalker/LasVegasMountains9November2000.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp224/daspiritwalker/LasVegasMountains10November2000.jpg

Spiritwalker
12-16-2009, 12:34 PM
But ill tell ya what i could do , i would not have a problem taking an entire basket of pitbull puppies with bows in thier hair ,,,,, and skinning them out to make speaker covers , or wallets , whatever you could use thier worthless hide for. Seriously , id just grab em by thier little back feet , bounce there heads off the bumper and skin em out just like a rabbit . As a matter of fact , i think i would get great enjoyment out of it .


If you cant tell , i absolutley 100% despise the breed.


I was about to type a long post about people like that being losers... but I took a breath...

You know how most really sick people get started doing stuff don't you. They take enjoyment from hurting animals.

You may want to consider seeking professional help if you really believe that.

And BTW.. "absolutley" is absolutely spelled "absolutely".. not that I am picking on your post or anything...

Spiritwalker
12-16-2009, 12:59 PM
I tried typing in

Beagle Attack , Labrador Attack , Basset Hound Attack . English Pointer Attack , Weeney dog Attack , Nope . Nothin . Then i typed in Pitbull attack .......... WOW ,

I could keep going but ill quit . These dogs need to be outlawed.

That's because most people don't know "jack s!@#" about dogs...
instead of typing breed attack.. just try typing "dog attack"..

But since you went all "webby" for us... posting mostly junk and half true links... allow me to retort...

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite

In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

In Canine homicides and the dog bite epidemic: do not confuse them, it has been pointed out that the dog bite epidemic as a whole involves all dogs and all dog owners, not just the breeds most likely to kill.

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:

* Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.

* An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).

* Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.


Here is another for you to put in your pipe...

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/breeds-causing-DBRFs.pdf

(DBRF) in the United States.1-3 Most victims were children.
Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were
involved in approximately a third of human DBRF
reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through
1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half
of human DBRF (dog bite-related fatalities)
reported during the 4 years from 1993
through 1996. These data have caused some individuals
to infer that certain breeds of dogs are more likely
to bite than others and should, therefore, be banned or
regulated more stringently.4,5 The purposes of the study
reported here were to summarize breeds associated
with reported human DBRF during a 20-year period
and assess policy implications.


Objective—To summarize breeds of dogs involved in
fatal human attacks during a 20-year period and to
assess policy implications.

Animals—Dogs for which breed was reported involved
in attacks on humans between 1979 and 1998 that
resulted in human dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF).
Procedure—Data for human DBRF identified previously
for the period of 1979 through 1996 were combined
with human DBRF newly identified for 1997
and 1998. Human DBRF were identified by searching
news accounts and by use of The Humane Society of
the United States’ registry databank.

Results—During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people
died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At
least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238
human DBRF during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type
dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of
these deaths. Of 227 reports with relevant data, 55
(24%) human deaths involved unrestrained dogs off
their owners’ property, 133 (58%) involved unrestrained
dogs on their owners’ property, 38 (17%) involved
restrained dogs on their owners’ property, and 1 (< 1%)
involved a restrained dog off its owner’s property.

Conclusions—Although fatal attacks on humans
appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type
dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and
cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties
inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty,
enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional
and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent
a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and,
therefore, should not be the primary factor driving
public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical
alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist and
hold promise for prevention of dog bites. (J Am Vet
Med Assoc 2000;217:836–840)


So basically what I am saying is...

While you posted ..."ohh i know dobermans have attacked as well as rotties . but when it comes right down to it , pitbull attack numbers are wayyyyyyyy more. I dont know the exact stats . "

I went out and found the facts for you.... I thought before I spoke.. try it sometime...

And then when you take into account that the majority of pit bulls are not raised as family... but rather "out side dogs".. "dogs that are fought".. if you could remove those pits from the equation.. then you would have even less numbers...

Spiritwalker
12-16-2009, 01:27 PM
Here is another for you...

http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

First it was the Bloodhound, sensationalized in the dramatizations of Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Then it was the Doberman Pinscher, symbol of the Nazi menace for a nation at war. Today, it is the Pit bull that is vilified for the depravity of his master.

Today, police chase down fleeing Pit bulls in the street, firing dozens of wild shots in response to media-fed rumors of supernatural Pit bull abilities. Politicians coach and nurture this fear with their own brand of rhetoric used to assist in the passing of quick and ineffective legislation created to pacify communities ignorant of the real cause for dog attacks. Hundreds of animal shelters throughout the country kill all unclaimed Pit bull-looking dogs, as they are deemed "unadoptable" solely on their physical appearance.

In a society unparalleled in its access to information and ability to control our natural environment, we now claim that we are unable to master our dogs. Unwilling to assume responsibility for the control and care of our canine companions, we instead hang entire breeds of dogs in effigy for the sins of their owners. Society now accepts this “solution to the dog bite problem” because we have been placated by a Pit Bull Placebo.

Crisco
12-16-2009, 03:13 PM
Every pit has a first time. Are you saying that someone allows them to taste blood before their first attack? Think about how much that statement makes NO sense. None.

Before you get all condescending Neezy, please consider Raw meat. :wink:

So my statement in fact makes PERFECT sense. Perfect.


The owners are responsible for the dogs simple as that. I owned a pitbul for 10 years and he was the best dog I've ever seen.

Never bit anyone he wasn't suppose too and the kids would poke and prod him and ride in back with no problem. EVER.

Aggressive breed sure but exterminate? That's stupid.

DonnaMaria
12-16-2009, 03:23 PM
Well again I think it comes down to responsible pet ownership. In my example, the Pit next door shouldn't have been allowed to show the kind of aggression that it did. And it shoudln't have been allowed to roam the streets. The owners were told time and time again to fix their fence or take the dog inside. Did they get the dog from a reputable breeder or from a puppy mill where the dog might have been abused before it was even 3 months old. Were they kind to the dog and treat it as a pet or did they leave it outside and let it develop anti-social behavior. ( They kept the pit chained outside most of the time and never socialized it. )

Irresponsible, uncaring owners are responsible for the fact that this breed has gotten such a bad rap. And if a MAJORITY of Pit owners ( not the ones on here of course) are going to be negligent and mistreat the dogs, then the outcome is going to be a dangerous one. Therefore, unfortunately, the breed must be banned in a lot of places.

A lot of people hated the fact that I had a Rottie but he was the most loyal and well mannered dog you could ever hope for. We got him from a good breeder, raised him and socialized him, kept him as a pet and not a guard dog, and he was loving and protective. And I trusted him completely. We are doing the same with our Cane Corso. I can only wonder how long it will be before this breed is banned from places as well. They are not common but I think as soon as people catch on to the "look" of the breed, they might suffer the same fate as the Pit.


http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/canecorsoitaliano.htm

Mac
12-16-2009, 07:59 PM
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With my 6(?) month old son
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp224/daspiritwalker/dog.jpg





Ahhhh Piss Poor parenting at its finest. You sir , and i use that term loosley . Are an idiot .

They are all nice until they kill your child or the neighbor kid.



Blow all you want , ive heard idiots rant on and on about how they are great dogs , Sorry , no dice . If you cant tell your in the minority on this one .

Mac
12-16-2009, 08:05 PM
That's because most people don't know "jack s!@#" about dogs...
instead of typing breed attack.. just try typing "dog attack"..

But since you went all "webby" for us... posting mostly junk and half true links... allow me to retort...

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite

In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

In Canine homicides and the dog bite epidemic: do not confuse them, it has been pointed out that the dog bite epidemic as a whole involves all dogs and all dog owners, not just the breeds most likely to kill.

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:

* Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.

* An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).

* Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.


Here is another for you to put in your pipe...

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/breeds-causing-DBRFs.pdf

(DBRF) in the United States.1-3 Most victims were children.
Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were
involved in approximately a third of human DBRF
reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through
1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half
of human DBRF (dog bite-related fatalities)
reported during the 4 years from 1993
through 1996. These data have caused some individuals
to infer that certain breeds of dogs are more likely
to bite than others and should, therefore, be banned or
regulated more stringently.4,5 The purposes of the study
reported here were to summarize breeds associated
with reported human DBRF during a 20-year period
and assess policy implications.


Objective—To summarize breeds of dogs involved in
fatal human attacks during a 20-year period and to
assess policy implications.

Animals—Dogs for which breed was reported involved
in attacks on humans between 1979 and 1998 that
resulted in human dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF).
Procedure—Data for human DBRF identified previously
for the period of 1979 through 1996 were combined
with human DBRF newly identified for 1997
and 1998. Human DBRF were identified by searching
news accounts and by use of The Humane Society of
the United States’ registry databank.

Results—During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people
died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At
least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238
human DBRF during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type
dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of
these deaths. Of 227 reports with relevant data, 55
(24%) human deaths involved unrestrained dogs off
their owners’ property, 133 (58%) involved unrestrained
dogs on their owners’ property, 38 (17%) involved
restrained dogs on their owners’ property, and 1 (< 1%)
involved a restrained dog off its owner’s property.

Conclusions—Although fatal attacks on humans
appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type
dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and
cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties
inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty,
enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional
and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent
a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and,
therefore, should not be the primary factor driving
public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical
alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist and
hold promise for prevention of dog bites. (J Am Vet
Med Assoc 2000;217:836–840)


So basically what I am saying is...

While you posted ..."ohh i know dobermans have attacked as well as rotties . but when it comes right down to it , pitbull attack numbers are wayyyyyyyy more. I dont know the exact stats . "

I went out and found the facts for you.... I thought before I spoke.. try it sometime...

And then when you take into account that the majority of pit bulls are not raised as family... but rather "out side dogs".. "dogs that are fought".. if you could remove those pits from the equation.. then you would have even less numbers...




The Facts???? What , do you think your the only person out there with poor judgement when it comes to the breed ? Of course there is going to be some pro pitbull propaganda out there , hell theres websites out there that say hitler was a good man . And half true links ? i posted links to news broadcasts.

And no , im not sick lol , kill animals all the time , eat most of em . Heck i had a buddy once that caught the neighbors pitbull female and 7 of her 10 week old pups out in the ditch one day , didnt think he would cross the ditch to run em down but i was wrong . Kinda sounds like someone is bouncing footballs off the bottom of your car ha ha ha. Probably saved some childs life with that one.

Mac
12-16-2009, 08:15 PM
Tore his ACL..
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp224/daspiritwalker/gambit-cast.jpg





Id have just used a bullet , woulda been alot cheaper than that cast.

Want Protection for your house ? Buy a gun , it doesnt **** and piss in the floor and shed so your 6 month old son gets to crawl through it .

Mark
12-16-2009, 10:16 PM
I will never have one. If I see one on my ground I will shoot it, but that goes for any dog or cat and alot of things.

TexasRN
12-16-2009, 10:18 PM
I will never have one. If I see one on my ground I will shoot it, but that goes for any dog or cat and alot of things.

*Note to self: Wear kevlar when stalking Mark....:ninja:


~Amy

Preach
12-16-2009, 10:44 PM
My gun isnt biased

hughesfan4life
12-16-2009, 10:46 PM
Well I dont really like any kind of dog. I verge on being phobic of them actually. The stupidly small sausage dogs I could cope with...but anything bigger, you know, I dont and wouldnt choose to be around them, I certainly wouldnt interact with them, I would try extremely hard not to touch them, and would never, ever play with them...I dont like them. I hate the loud barking noises that they make, I dont like the way they always try and jump up at you...I dont perceive that as being playful or happy, I perceive that as being extremely threatening and most uncomfortable...I used to do a paper round...and every week this dumbass dog would be waiting for me outside his house.

I came to hate it, I mean, really hate it...the house had an immense driveway, and it was gravel, so their was no way of being quick or quiet...and the moment I set foot on that property, this heafty and loud bellowing object on four legs would come bounding up, it would bark, it would jump at my paper bag, and it would snarl at me when I did my best to ignore it, or managed to walk past/through it without stopping...it would get between me and the doors letterbox, through which I was supposed to post they paper, and that was bloody awkward, because then it was being held up against a hard wall, and dogs...well most animals actually...do not like to feel they are being trapped...but the creature just wouldnt move out of the way, it did it deliberately, because it knew that I would find that irritating...bloody dog was sadistic...I admit, I might, once or twice have accidently on purpose made contact with its head through the paper I was trying to get rid of :ninja:...which was fantastic...coz then the twat would think I was playing with him :rolleyes:...and it would want to explore how many times it could leap and strike the paper so hard with its head that it would be knocked out of my hands...then we'd have the situation where I wanted to pick it up...and the monster would take it as a challenge to do everything within its power to make that simple task as difficult as possible.

I really hate dogs:cry:dave!!,i have sausage dogs (and they ain't stupid!).:angry:

Tyburn
12-16-2009, 10:49 PM
:cry:dave!!,i have sausage dogs (and they ain't stupid!).:angry:

:laugh::laugh:

I said stupidly small...not actually stupid. I can handle them because they are like midgit dogs :w00t:

Spiritwalker
12-17-2009, 01:26 AM
Ahhhh Piss Poor parenting at its finest. You sir , and i use that term loosley . Are an idiot .

They are all nice until they kill your child or the neighbor kid.



Blow all you want , ive heard idiots rant on and on about how they are great dogs , Sorry , no dice . If you cant tell your in the minority on this one .


I am an idiot??? Well when it's ok to start name calling.. let me know,...

Apparently you can't read... people can BELIVE what ever they want.. but facts are facts...you said.. "pit bull attacks are waaayyyy higher...".. I should you results saying that you are wrong...

So if being a part of a minority...means I have correct information... so be it..

Spiritwalker
12-17-2009, 01:30 AM
The Facts???? What , do you think your the only person out there with poor judgement when it comes to the breed ? Of course there is going to be some pro pitbull propaganda out there , hell theres websites out there that say hitler was a good man . And half true links ? i posted links to news broadcasts.

Facts are facts. Believing different.. is well delusional..

And no , im not sick lol , kill animals all the time , eat most of em . Heck i had a buddy once that caught the neighbors pitbull female and 7 of her 10 week old pups out in the ditch one day , didnt think he would cross the ditch to run em down but i was wrong . Kinda sounds like someone is bouncing footballs off the bottom of your car ha ha ha. Probably saved some childs life with that one.

I wasn't talking about hunting.. I don't hunt, but I have no problems with people that hunt.. but killing dogs, just to kill them.. pretty lame.

Your buddy sounds like a loser.

Spiritwalker
12-17-2009, 01:32 AM
Id have just used a bullet , woulda been alot cheaper than that cast.

Want Protection for your house ? Buy a gun , it doesnt **** and piss in the floor and shed so your 6 month old son gets to crawl through it .


Maybe money isn't that big a deal for me..

And if you had read my post.. rather than being .... well.. whatever you are... you would have seen me mentioning my wife shooting them.....

And maybe I have the patience to go through house training...

Mac
12-17-2009, 01:37 AM
And maybe I have the patience to go through house training...

Didnt train him to keep from eating the couch did ya ? I dont believe in raising babies with dogs. Its dirty and just poor planning . Making a baby crawl in pet dander and hair , and whatever else the dog drags in or rubs off its butt when it drags it on the carpet. Disgusting.

Oddtodd76
12-17-2009, 01:39 AM
I know a guy that has spent alot of money on two pitbulls. Alot of money! he knows i absolutely hate them. He knows just talking about them aggravates me. he is always talking about how well mannered his dogs are. Well, guess what happened two weeks ago...One snapped and got in a big fight with the other pitbull and killed the dog. Huh, well mannered!
When i ran my garage(not so good part of town), there would always be a pitbull running loose and end up in the garage. I actually put mirrors up in the garage so the workers could see if a pit came in the shop!

Mac
12-17-2009, 01:41 AM
And BTW.. "absolutley" is absolutely spelled "absolutely".. not that I am picking on your post or anything...




I am an idiot??? Well when it's ok to start name calling.. let me know,...

Apparently you can't read... people can BELIVE what ever they want.. but facts are facts...you said.. "pit bull attacks are waaayyyy higher...".. I should you results saying that you are wrong...

So if being a part of a minority...means I have correct information... so be it..

Hey Grammar king . Its " Showed " me results , not should. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

and i BELIEVE that other word is spelled BELIEVE , not belive.

Just thought id point those out to you teach.

Spiritwalker
12-17-2009, 01:49 AM
Didnt train him to keep from eating the couch did ya ? I dont believe in raising babies with dogs. Its dirty and just poor planning . Making a baby crawl in pet dander and hair , and whatever else the dog drags in or rubs off its butt when it drags it on the carpet. Disgusting.

You mean the green sofa??.. that was done by our cat... dogs rarely scratch furniture. Maybe you should just admit that you wanted a dog when you were a kid...

Dirty and poor planning???ever think that maybe I clean my house.. keep trying to get personal in this and I will be happy to return the favor.

Dogs dragging their rear is normally a sign of a dog that is dirty.. try bathing your dogs..

And now I am disgusting....a poor parent....and I am an idiot...

Your the one that posted that you didn't know the facts.. but pit bull attacks on people are wayyyyyyy higher than other breeds....
I gave you information showing that you were mistaken....

The closest I come to insulting you is telling you that you might need some help if you take pleasure in killing dogs...

again... when I can start going out of my way to let you know my opinions of you.. just let me know...

Spiritwalker
12-17-2009, 01:51 AM
Hey Grammar king . Its " Showed " me results , not should. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

and i BELIEVE that other word is spelled BELIEVE , not belive.

Just thought id point those out to you teach.


Came home form teaching class.. I have had a drink or two.. tired and a bit buzzed...I thought "belive" looked "not right"... ah well.. let the world know I am not perfect.

Mac
12-17-2009, 01:56 AM
You mean the green sofa??.. that was done by our cat... dogs rarely scratch furniture. Maybe you should just admit that you wanted a dog when you were a kid...

Dirty and poor planning???ever think that maybe I clean my house.. keep trying to get personal in this and I will be happy to return the favor.

Dogs dragging their rear is normally a sign of a dog that is dirty.. try bathing your dogs..

And now I am disgusting....a poor parent....and I am an idiot...

Your the one that posted that you didn't know the facts.. but pit bull attacks on people are wayyyyyyy higher than other breeds....
I gave you information showing that you were mistaken....

The closest I come to insulting you is telling you that you might need some help if you take pleasure in killing dogs...

again... when I can start going out of my way to let you know my opinions of you.. just let me know...



1 dogs AND cats in the house with a baby , yeah thats a better argument because litter boxes are always clean


Your facts are nothing more than something copied and pasted from a pro pitbull page . i can find just as many negative ones .

The funny thing i see in all the pitbull pages are how the owners say " change the name to golden retriever and see if it makes it to the press" Ummmm probably wouldnt because golden retrievers usually dont kill children.

Mac
12-17-2009, 01:58 AM
And i had useful dogs growing up . First one was a beagle hound , Second was my old bluetick coon hound. My boys have a beagle right now .

Had a blue tick hound once that a fella gave me , had him on the place for a few months , nice dog , till one day at an easter egg hunt he growled at some kids through the fence. He was shot. the next day.

NateR
12-17-2009, 02:10 AM
And i had useful dogs growing up . First one was a beagle hound , Second was my old bluetick coon hound. My boys have a beagle right now .

Had a blue tick hound once that a fella gave me , had him on the place for a few months , nice dog , till one day at an easter egg hunt he growled at some kids through the fence. He was shot. the next day.

We had several dogs when I was growing up. Currently my parents have a half Chow/half Coyote named Sandy and she's an awesome, mild-mannered dog, despite the fact that she's half wild.

All of our dogs were from mixed breeds and all of them were great except for one:
Daisy, she was half Rhodesian Ridgeback and half Pit Bull. We had to get rid of her when she attacked and nearly killed one of our other dogs, who was half Welsh Corgi and half Dachshund, and tried to attack my brother. We were playing in the yard and she just suddenly started chasing after my brother and managed to scratch him above his eye before we both managed to run inside (we were in 4th or 5th grade at the time). Throughout my entire life, the only dog that we've owned that we've ever had a problem with had Pit Bull in her blood.

Mac
12-17-2009, 02:12 AM
Spirit , those FACTS you posted are from a study done over a decade ago . Pitbulls have become more popular since then and there are more now than then easily.

Mac
12-17-2009, 02:17 AM
Throughout my entire life, the only dog that we've owned that we've ever had a problem with had Pit Bull in her blood.

exactly . those dogs were originally bred for fighting , and it is in there locked away in the back of thier mind at all times , it just takes the right thing to unlock it .

My buddy had a pitbull , raised it since it was 8 weeks old . That dog was brought up around all of us , there were people in and out of the house all times of the day and night. People would stop by and bring him treats , heck belive it or not , i would even take him for rides and walks " before i really knew about the breed" then one night when he was about 2 years old we were all outside and the dog was in the house . We were all goofing around out in the front yard and a friend of mine snuck up behind my then girlfriend , now wife and grabbed her and put her to the ground , she let out a scream and a laugh . The dog burst through the screened in window , and started biting Becky , got her by the head at one point in time , luckily there was enough of us out there nothing hapened any further.

Preach
12-17-2009, 02:18 AM
Came home form teaching class.. I have had a drink or two.. tired and a bit buzzed...I thought "belive" looked "not right"... ah well.. let the world know I am not perfect.

Whatever class your teaching you need to take.. Cause where I'm from its from

Mac
12-17-2009, 02:22 AM
[i]In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

..



your quoted facts ,,,,,, not mine .

Mark
12-17-2009, 03:13 AM
And i had useful dogs growing up . First one was a beagle hound , Second was my old bluetick coon hound. My boys have a beagle right now .

Had a blue tick hound once that a fella gave me , had him on the place for a few months , nice dog , till one day at an easter egg hunt he growled at some kids through the fence. He was shot. the next day.

You better hope your dogs never get on my property. Havnt been shootn lately, probably miss the first time, wound her the second and third, then put her down after that. It would be a slow death.

Mac
12-17-2009, 03:15 AM
You better hope your dogs never get on my property. Havnt been shootn lately, probably miss the first time, wound her the second and third, then put her down after that. It would be a slow death.



you wouldnt be the first one to shoot at him lol

Mark
12-17-2009, 03:17 AM
you wouldnt be the first one to shoot at him lol

You dont have that dog in the house with your kids do you? Hard to keep a housed clean!!

Mac
12-17-2009, 03:18 AM
You dont have that dog in the house with your kids do you? Hard to keep a housed clean!!



No . the pot bellied pigs and cats took up all the room.

Mac
12-17-2009, 03:19 AM
I dont have a problem at all with "Kids" and dogs in the house , i just have a problem with " BABIES" and dogs in the house.

Mark
12-17-2009, 03:20 AM
No . the pot bellied pigs and cats took up all the room.

You have a cat? Could you tell me what good is a cat?

Mac
12-17-2009, 03:22 AM
You have a cat? Could you tell me what good is a cat?

The reproduce faster than dogs , more targets alot quicker.

plus u can gut them and make guitar strings . I dont play guitar but i like the strings

Mac
12-17-2009, 03:33 AM
My mom has 2 cats that she got from the vet clinic she works at . Dad hates them but they do kill alot of mice out of the garage. Dad has 4 German shorthair pointers and one yellow lab . and Boone and Hank have roscar . Roscar is a beagle that showed up at our front door one night , i think someone threw him from a moving car out in front of the house . Becky fed him leftover meatballs the first night he showed up and he has been here ever since.

Spiritwalker
12-17-2009, 04:17 AM
I have to say... I really didn't expect people to be so narrow minded about a breed of dog.

Facts are facts.. my own experiences back up facts that I find... Sorry you guys are not willing to be more open minded.

NateR
12-17-2009, 04:24 AM
Sorry you guys are not willing to be more open minded.

Well, if being "open minded" means risking a child's life because of a stupid dog, then I'm proud to be narrow minded.

I would never own a pit bull because most of my friends have young children and I wouldn't want to risk anything happening to their kids when they come over to visit. As much as I love dogs, I'm not a person who puts animals on the same level as people. As soon as an animal becomes an unnecessary burden or a threat, then it is time for that animal to go.

Spiritwalker
12-17-2009, 05:03 AM
Well, if being "open minded" means risking a child's life because of a stupid dog, then I'm proud to be narrow minded.

I would never own a pit bull because most of my friends have young children and I wouldn't want to risk anything happening to their kids when they come over to visit. As much as I love dogs, I'm not a person who puts animals on the same level as people. As soon as an animal becomes an unnecessary burden or a threat, then it is time for that animal to go.


see.. I agree with you... but just saying Pit Bulls are dangerous is narrow minded.. All dogs can be capable of hurting people.. if that's the case.. why have dogs?

Mac
12-17-2009, 05:05 AM
see.. I agree with you... but just saying Pit Bulls are dangerous is narrow minded.. All dogs can be capable of hurting people.. if that's the case.. why have dogs?


Pitbulls are a dangerous dog , to say they are not is truly being narrow minded.

Neezar
12-17-2009, 02:47 PM
Before you get all condescending Neezy, please consider Raw meat. :wink:

So my statement in fact makes PERFECT sense. Perfect.


The owners are responsible for the dogs simple as that. I owned a pitbul for 10 years and he was the best dog I've ever seen.

Never bit anyone he wasn't suppose too and the kids would poke and prod him and ride in back with no problem. EVER.

Aggressive breed sure but exterminate? That's stupid.

So you think that dogs that attack have been fed raw meat?

Llamafighter
12-17-2009, 03:16 PM
We had several dogs when I was growing up. Currently my parents have a half Chow/half Coyote named Sandy and she's an awesome, mild-mannered dog, despite the fact that she's half wild.

All of our dogs were from mixed breeds and all of them were great except for one:
Daisy, she was half Rhodesian Ridgeback and half Pit Bull.

I think the evil part came from her DRAGON lineage :scared0011:


:happydancing::happydancing:

TexasRN
12-17-2009, 03:39 PM
I think the evil part came from her DRAGON lineage :scared0011:


:happydancing::happydancing:



Nerd. :tongue0011:


~Amy

Tyburn
12-17-2009, 05:27 PM
You have a cat? Could you tell me what good is a cat?

:) My Parents have always had cats. My Mother had a 20 year old cat when she was growing up, it died of Kidney Failure in the end, a big cat killer for some reason. Then she bought a pair of kittens when I was like tiny, but they both got squashed on a nearby main road. So then we inherited a kitten as a stray, and that cat lasted 19 years before dying of old age, and now she has a kitten (fast growing into a fully fledge cat) I would have a cat if I could, but firstly I am not allowed one, so my Landlord Says...but then he said I could have Either a Rodent OR a bird...and I got both :laugh: But with me being on the second floor of a terraced House, it would have to be a housebound cat, and I think doing that without good reason is cruel so I wouldnt get one anyway, the guy who used to live in the flat below had two cats, but that was on the ground floor and they used to come in and out of his front room window :laugh: I've always had Rodents myself, I had a tropical fish tank once but the novelty wore off...I had a string of three Hamsters, and a string of three Guinea pigs...and now I have one of them and my first caged bird.

I will NEVER get a dog...I could cope with a poodle or something...but I dont really want a dog. Not ever.

Shoots like a girl
12-17-2009, 05:43 PM
Wow, Mac~ You are a pretty passionate guy. I have to admit that Im a really open minded person, but you really cant argue with facts so here are a few for your defense my friend.

For those of you that love Pits, I can understand. Im a dog lover! Ive had them as long as I can remember but there comes a time when you really have to be responsible. These dogs are bred killers. My brother owns a hog hunting guide service in Texas..... guess what kind of dogs he uses? He uses them because they are bred killers. A rattlesnake will always be a rattlesnake, it may bite and it may not but you still dont get too close. Pits are no different.

This was taken from DogsBite.com. I also want to note that these statistics are from a 2008 study so it is up to date information.

2008 Dog Bite Fatalities

23 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2008. Pit bull type dogs were responsible for 65% (15). Pit bulls make up approximately 5% of the U.S. dog population.
In 2008, only one U.S. citizen over the age of 3 was killed by a breed other than a pit bull. 74-year old Lorraine May was fatally mauled by her two dogs: an Australian shepherd-mix and a golden retriever-mix.
70% of the attacks occurred to children (11 years and under) and 30% occurred to adults (21 years and older). Of the children, half (8) occurred to ages 1 and younger.
39% of fatal attacks in 2008 involved multiple dogs; 9% involved chained dogs.
78% of the attacks occurred on owner property and 22% off owner property. All off property attacks (5) that resulted in death were attributed to pit bulls.
61% of the victims were male; 39% of the victims were female. Of the male victims, over half (8) were 3 years and younger.
In at least three fatal attacks, a grandmother was watching a child aged 2 and younger. Two of these attacks occurred in Las Vegas; both involved pet pit bulls.

Children are at risk. We dont protect them, who will??

Blade
12-17-2009, 07:22 PM
I was about to type a long post about people like that being losers... but I took a breath...

You know how most really sick people get started doing stuff don't you. They take enjoyment from hurting animals.

You may want to consider seeking professional help if you really believe that.

And BTW.. "absolutley" is absolutely spelled "absolutely".. not that I am picking on your post or anything...

Yeah, Mac is starting to scare me, his attitude towards animals reminds me of this guy, lol :

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/Tyson1986/EDGEIN-1.jpg

TexasRN
12-17-2009, 07:34 PM
I'd have no problem killing a nest of baby rattlesnakes or black widow spiders. I had to help round up and shoot about 100 stray cats that were feral and aggressive towards us when we moved in to a lake house as a preteen. They were starving and breeding out of control and there was no way we could round them up and take them to the pound. Plus, you live out in the country far enough in places like Texas, the animal control people just tell you to take care of it. It doesn't make me a sociopath at all. Same goes for Mac, I'd let him and/or his wife babysit my kids any day.


~Amy

Mac
12-17-2009, 07:51 PM
I'd have no problem killing a nest of baby rattlesnakes or black widow spiders. I had to help round up and shoot about 100 stray cats that were feral and aggressive towards us when we moved in to a lake house as a preteen. They were starving and breeding out of control and there was no way we could round them up and take them to the pound. Plus, you live out in the country far enough in places like Texas, the animal control people just tell you to take care of it. It doesn't make me a sociopath at all. Same goes for Mac, I'd let him and/or his wife babysit my kids any day.


~Amy

Why thank you Amy .

Some folks like blade up there , they have no hobbies , they are do nothings. They sit and watch television all day and see shows like aspca etc and dont understand what it is to live in a rural community. They think fur is wrong and its bad to kill animals yet wear leather shoes and eat at mcdonalds. I refuse to argue with folks like that. Its just common sence , some things need shot .

LOL at the shooting the cats. It gets to be a problem , folks bring these cats out that they can no longer care for and just dump them off . My mom being the bleeding heart she is trys to take care of most of them , and ill admit , the ones that let her touch them she finds homes for . But the ones that dont get shot , or trapped then shot. She has 2 cats that are garage mousers and thats it . Cats are one of the only domesticated animals there are that can be dumped in the wild and survive. They will obliterate the rabbit and quail populations . Has been about 6 winters ago , we ended up disposing of 20 some cats that winter.

Ive had kids playing in the backyard and had a couple pitbulls in the timber behind the house , they had killed about 10 of our chickens prior to this over the period of a few weeks , and when the chickens were gone i saw them slinking around in amongst the brush while the kids were playing , it looked like lions in the tall prarie grass in africa. They didnt make it out of the timber .

Some folks are just dumb , thats all there is to it. By these guys standards , i need counselling , Nater shot a deer so he needs counseling , sign mark and oddtodd up while we are at it , rev , surveyorshawn , preach , internationalharvestor,shootslikeagirl get em all a spot on the list,Boomer is coming up to go hunting with me at the end of the month so as a precautionary measure we better get him stretched out on the docs thinking couch as well, Amy , youve shot cats so i think you are mentally disturbed as well , better come join us , we can call it the Hughes forum group counseling. And ive even had a few members who will remain nameless pm me stories of shooting pitbulls themselves. They just didnt want to post in the thread to be drug into it.

Tyburn
12-17-2009, 07:52 PM
I'd have no problem killing a nest of baby rattlesnakes or black widow spiders.
~Amy

please dont tell me Widows "nest" :unsure-1: They look so...harmless. I'd much rather call them "Button Spiders" if its alright with you

matthughesfan21
12-17-2009, 08:00 PM
please dont tell me Widows "nest" :unsure-1: They look so...harmless. I'd much rather call them "Button Spiders" if its alright with you

are you trying to say a black widow is harmless? good luck if one gets you, you will be messed up bad, could even die....so if you see a nest of them, why wait till they kill you or someone you know?

TexasRN
12-17-2009, 08:06 PM
please dont tell me Widows "nest" :unsure-1: They look so...harmless. I'd much rather call them "Button Spiders" if its alright with you


I've seen people lose entire limbs to a black widow spider bite. The tissue dies, then rots, and it spreads with toxin until the only way to save the person's life is to amputate. Maggot therapy can help if it's all caught in time but that's another story. They do not look harmless at all to me. The red hourglass on its back is just a warning that your time is up if you get bit.


~Amy

NateR
12-17-2009, 08:12 PM
http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/jadyn-1-attack.gif
1 year old Jadyn mauled by Family Pit
Oct. 22, 2007

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/5-year-old-attack.gif
5 year old Attacked by Pit 250 Stitches in Scalp
July 25, 2007

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/pitbulls_attack_50_yr_old_thief2.gif
Pit Bulls attack and maul 50 year old

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/christopher-attacked.gif
Christopher attacked while riding his bike
March 3, 2007

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-14.gif
Amber killed by pit bull

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-15.gif
2-year-old Arianna dead by pit

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/ZacharyKingJr.gif
Zachary King Jr. killed by Pit

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-7.gif
Nicholas killed by pit

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-9.gif
Ellie killed by pit bull terrier

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-girl.gif
Lil Angel killed by Pit

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/Jai-Quone-mauling.gif
Jai-Quone Mauled in vicious Put Bull attack

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm

But on the bright side, at least no one could accuse these dogs' owners of being "narrow-minded." :rolleyes:

Mac
12-17-2009, 08:13 PM
are you trying to say a black widow is harmless? good luck if one gets you, you will be messed up bad, could even die....so if you see a nest of them, why wait till they kill you or someone you know?

Not all black widows are deadly . Its all in how they are raised , Its the bad owners that make them bad. We have raised them for years . Never had a drop of problems out of them . You need counseling if you think all blackwidows are dangerous , your being narrow minded also . Your one sick puppy you know that ?

Here is a picture of our baby playing with a few of our favorites .

From left to rigth , Crazy legs , Killer B , and Clyde!!

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f186/uhmname/baby_picture_photo_2copy.jpg


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Mac
12-17-2009, 08:20 PM
http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/jadyn-1-attack.gif
1 year old Jadyn mauled by Family Pit
Oct. 22, 2007

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/5-year-old-attack.gif
5 year old Attacked by Pit 250 Stitches in Scalp
July 25, 2007

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/pitbulls_attack_50_yr_old_thief2.gif
Pit Bulls attack and maul 50 year old

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/christopher-attacked.gif
Christopher attacked while riding his bike
March 3, 2007

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-14.gif
Amber killed by pit bull

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-15.gif
2-year-old Arianna dead by pit

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/ZacharyKingJr.gif
Zachary King Jr. killed by Pit

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-7.gif
Nicholas killed by pit

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-9.gif
Ellie killed by pit bull terrier

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-girl.gif
Lil Angel killed by Pit

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/Jai-Quone-mauling.gif
Jai-Quone Mauled in vicious Put Bull attack

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm

But on the bright side, at least no one could accuse these dogs' owners of being "narrow-minded." :rolleyes:

That just breaks my heart and makes my blood boil all at the same time.

Tyburn
12-17-2009, 08:24 PM
are you trying to say a black widow is harmless? good luck if one gets you, you will be messed up bad, could even die....so if you see a nest of them, why wait till they kill you or someone you know?

One did get to know me. Last Saturday.

Do they nest in vast numbers? Thats unusual for Arachnides unless the vast numbers are offspring.

Play The Man
12-17-2009, 08:40 PM
Not all black widows are deadly . Its all in how they are raised , Its the bad owners that make them bad. We have raised them for years . Never had a drop of problems out of them . You need counseling if you think all blackwidows are dangerous , your being narrow minded also . Your one sick puppy you know that ?

Here is a picture of our baby playing with a few of our favorites .

From left to rigth , Crazy legs , Killer B , and Clyde!!

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f186/uhmname/baby_picture_photo_2copy.jpg


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

:laugh:

TexasRN
12-17-2009, 08:57 PM
One did get to know me. Last Saturday.

Do they nest in vast numbers? Thats unusual for Arachnides unless the vast numbers are offspring.


They make a huge amt of babies. It's gross. I have pretty severe arachnophobia.


~Amy

matthughesfan21
12-17-2009, 08:58 PM
One did get to know me. Last Saturday.

Do they nest in vast numbers? Thats unusual for Arachnides unless the vast numbers are offspring.got to know you? what are you talking about?

Shoots like a girl
12-17-2009, 09:06 PM
I'd have no problem killing a nest of baby rattlesnakes or black widow spiders. I had to help round up and shoot about 100 stray cats that were feral and aggressive towards us when we moved in to a lake house as a preteen. They were starving and breeding out of control and there was no way we could round them up and take them to the pound. Plus, you live out in the country far enough in places like Texas, the animal control people just tell you to take care of it. It doesn't make me a sociopath at all. Same goes for Mac, I'd let him and/or his wife babysit my kids any day.


~Amy

Very well said Amy! :)

Shoots like a girl
12-17-2009, 09:13 PM
Geez! How can you argue with this!?! I imagine a few of these were loving pets that had never bitten before too. :cry:

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/jadyn-1-attack.gif
1 year old Jadyn mauled by Family Pit
Oct. 22, 2007

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/5-year-old-attack.gif
5 year old Attacked by Pit 250 Stitches in Scalp
July 25, 2007

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/pitbulls_attack_50_yr_old_thief2.gif
Pit Bulls attack and maul 50 year old

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/christopher-attacked.gif
Christopher attacked while riding his bike
March 3, 2007

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-14.gif
Amber killed by pit bull

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-15.gif
2-year-old Arianna dead by pit

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/ZacharyKingJr.gif
Zachary King Jr. killed by Pit

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-7.gif
Nicholas killed by pit

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-9.gif
Ellie killed by pit bull terrier

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-girl.gif
Lil Angel killed by Pit

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/Jai-Quone-mauling.gif
Jai-Quone Mauled in vicious Put Bull attack

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm

But on the bright side, at least no one could accuse these dogs' owners of being "narrow-minded." :rolleyes:

Blade
12-17-2009, 09:38 PM
Why thank you Amy .

Some folks like blade up there , they have no hobbies , they are do nothings. They sit and watch television all day and see shows like aspca etc and dont understand what it is to live in a rural community. They think fur is wrong and its bad to kill animals yet wear leather shoes and eat at mcdonalds. I refuse to argue with folks like that. Its just common sence , some things need shot .

Some folks are just dumb , thats all there is to it. By these guys standards , i need counselling , Nater shot a deer so he needs counseling , sign mark and oddtodd up while we are at it , rev , surveyorshawn , preach , internationalharvestor,shootslikeagirl get em all a spot on the list,Boomer is coming up to go hunting with me at the end of the month so as a precautionary measure we better get him stretched out on the docs thinking couch as well, Amy , youve shot cats so i think you are mentally disturbed as well , better come join us , we can call it the Hughes forum group counseling. And ive even had a few members who will remain nameless pm me stories of shooting pitbulls themselves. They just didnt want to post in the thread to be drug into it.

I don't eat at Mcdonalds, and killing animals isn't always bad, but getting enjoyment out of it is. And if your opinions are so normal then why did you or someone else delete your posts about killing pitbull puppies? You're telling me that bouncing a puppy's head off a hard surface and enjoying it is normal? lol. And TexasRn, you might wanna revise that willingness to let someone you barely know from the internet babysit your kids, that's not a very sensible thing to do.

And just for the record I agree with what people have said about stupid owners being as much to blame as the dogs sometimes, but I don't like pitbulls or any big dogs and I wouldn't own one myself. Certain types of breed are banned over here anyway. Get a Shih Tzu instead, best dog you can get.

Spiritwalker
12-17-2009, 09:49 PM
Nate, .. I am not saying that "pit bulls are perfect".. but when you look at the number of pit bull attacks.. compared to the number of pit bulls.. and then compare those numbers of "other dog attacks"... compared to the number of dogs... The numbers of pit bull attacks are not "waaayyyy more than other dogs"..

Then you factor in the way the dog is brought up.. and other circumstances.. the number gets lower...

Just "knee jerk reactions" about pits being bad dogs.. it plain silly.

And if I remember correctly .. two of those kids were not attacked by pit bulls.. I do not know the living conditions of the dogs either..


http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/jadyn-1-attack.gif
1 year old Jadyn mauled by Family Pit
Oct. 22, 2007

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/5-year-old-attack.gif
5 year old Attacked by Pit 250 Stitches in Scalp
July 25, 2007

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/pitbulls_attack_50_yr_old_thief2.gif
Pit Bulls attack and maul 50 year old

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/christopher-attacked.gif
Christopher attacked while riding his bike
March 3, 2007

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-14.gif
Amber killed by pit bull

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-15.gif
2-year-old Arianna dead by pit

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/ZacharyKingJr.gif
Zachary King Jr. killed by Pit

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-7.gif
Nicholas killed by pit

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-image-9.gif
Ellie killed by pit bull terrier

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attack-girl.gif
Lil Angel killed by Pit

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/Jai-Quone-mauling.gif
Jai-Quone Mauled in vicious Put Bull attack

http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm

But on the bright side, at least no one could accuse these dogs' owners of being "narrow-minded." :rolleyes:

Spiritwalker
12-17-2009, 09:55 PM
Hunting and killing "puppies" by bouncing their heads off a bumper".. are completly different things you tool..

Originally Posted by Mac View Post
Why thank you Amy .

Some folks like blade up there , they have no hobbies , they are do nothings. They sit and watch television all day and see shows like aspca etc and dont understand what it is to live in a rural community. They think fur is wrong and its bad to kill animals yet wear leather shoes and eat at mcdonalds. I refuse to argue with folks like that. Its just common sence , some things need shot .

some people do as well...


Some folks are just dumb , thats all there is to it. By these guys standards , i need counselling , Nater shot a deer so he needs counseling , sign mark and oddtodd up while we are at it , rev , surveyorshawn , preach , internationalharvestor,shootslikeagirl get em all a spot on the list,Boomer is coming up to go hunting with me at the end of the month so as a precautionary measure we better get him stretched out on the docs thinking couch as well, Amy , youve shot cats so i think you are mentally disturbed as well , better come join us , we can call it the Hughes forum group counseling. And ive even had a few members who will remain nameless pm me stories of shooting pitbulls themselves. They just didnt want to post in the thread to be drug into it.

Protecting yourself is one thing... killing a basket full of cats/dogs.. whatever just to do it.. is the sign of someone that is disturbed.

Talk to a doctor, read a book.. stop intentionally misunderstanding.

TexasRN
12-17-2009, 10:02 PM
I don't eat at Mcdonalds, and killing animals isn't always bad, but getting enjoyment out of it is. And if your opinions are so normal then why did you or someone else delete your posts about killing pitbull puppies? You're telling me that bouncing a puppy's head off a hard surface and enjoying it is normal? lol. And TexasRn, you might wanna revise that willingness to let someone you barely know from the internet babysit your kids, that's not a very sensible thing to do.

And just for the record I agree with what people have said about stupid owners being as much to blame as the dogs sometimes, but I don't like pitbulls or any big dogs and I wouldn't own one myself. Certain types of breed are banned over here anyway. Get a Shih Tzu instead, best dog you can get.

I know Mac "in real life," he's not just someone I barely know from the internet. I also know a lot of his friends. Like Boomer, and NateR, and Michelle, and Matt Hughes. Who a man keeps as friends says a lot about him.


~Amy

Mac
12-17-2009, 10:08 PM
Hunting and killing "puppies" by bouncing their heads off a bumper".. are completly different things you tool..

Originally Posted by Mac View Post
Why thank you Amy .

Some folks like blade up there , they have no hobbies , they are do nothings. They sit and watch television all day and see shows like aspca etc and dont understand what it is to live in a rural community. They think fur is wrong and its bad to kill animals yet wear leather shoes and eat at mcdonalds. I refuse to argue with folks like that. Its just common sence , some things need shot .

some people do as well...


Some folks are just dumb , thats all there is to it. By these guys standards , i need counselling , Nater shot a deer so he needs counseling , sign mark and oddtodd up while we are at it , rev , surveyorshawn , preach , internationalharvestor,shootslikeagirl get em all a spot on the list,Boomer is coming up to go hunting with me at the end of the month so as a precautionary measure we better get him stretched out on the docs thinking couch as well, Amy , youve shot cats so i think you are mentally disturbed as well , better come join us , we can call it the Hughes forum group counseling. And ive even had a few members who will remain nameless pm me stories of shooting pitbulls themselves. They just didnt want to post in the thread to be drug into it.

Protecting yourself is one thing... killing a basket full of cats/dogs.. whatever just to do it.. is the sign of someone that is disturbed.

Talk to a doctor, read a book.. stop intentionally misunderstanding.

Blade , i didnt delete that post lol . its still there.



And spirit walker , you are proving your ignorance with every post. keep going , i am really having a ton of fun at your expense. Anyone that quotes those pictures that Nate posted and then still trys to justify the breed and defend it is ....... well you fill in the blanks.

Your own statistics that you posted said the breed has a shocking fatality attack rate , breed specific . You are beat on this one , your not going to convince anyone here you are right , you have shown everything you have and the lack there of .

Llamafighter
12-17-2009, 10:08 PM
I know Mac "in real life," he's not just someone I barely know from the internet. I also know a lot of his friends. Like Boomer, and NateR, and Michelle, and Matt Hughes. Who a man keeps as friends says a lot about him.


~Amy

I concur!

TexasRN
12-17-2009, 10:09 PM
I concur!

Hey, you're my friend too!! :laugh:


~Amy

Blade
12-17-2009, 10:13 PM
Blade , i didnt delete that post lol . its still there.


Oh yeah so it is, I couldn't be bothered checking back that far, lol. Those kind of views are still abnormal though.

Chuck
12-17-2009, 10:33 PM
:scared0015:

Tyburn
12-17-2009, 10:59 PM
They make a huge amt of babies. It's gross. I have pretty severe arachnophobia.


~Amy

Oh, thats okay then. I was rather hoping they didnt actually function in a nest...thats not really an Arachnid sort of thing to do.

Tyburn
12-17-2009, 11:01 PM
I've seen people lose entire limbs to a black widow spider bite. The tissue dies, then rots, and it spreads with toxin until the only way to save the person's life is to amputate. Maggot therapy can help if it's all caught in time but that's another story. They do not look harmless at all to me. The red hourglass on its back is just a warning that your time is up if you get bit.


~Amy

Not all Widows HAVE the hourglass on the back...not all Widows even have red markings at all.

Its their size...I mean this was tiny little insect :blink:

Tyburn
12-17-2009, 11:16 PM
got to know you? what are you talking about?

Occasionally in my line of work I have to deal with Illegal Immigrants. Its not seek and distroy (because we dont know what disease they might be carrying) its more like search and rescue...but in my line of work, the Immigrants are always armed and dangerous.

Last one I caught was such a beauty it got sold to a private collector. This last one was so small, I nearly considered it a British Citizen, and nearly left it to scuttle away into the ether...but something in the way it moved and the fact it had a funny white stripe down its side made me reconsider.

I had it incarcerated, and then after three days of quarenteen, it was identified as Venamous...although they didnt officially identify it, I then searched on google images, and time and again the only hit was "Button Spider" Button Spiders are types of Widow. I Cross referenced it with the geographical location of the item it was found amoungst...and sure enough at least 6 species of Button are found in South Africa...right season for them now...Poor little thing...I imagine they will freeze it to death since I handed it over to researchers, rather then the Spider Rescue Centre in Hull..The Royal Society for The Prevention of Cruelty to Animals will come out if the animal is large enough to abuse...but this thing was so small, even if I shook the box the creature was pretty much unaware. Not so with the last immigrant who was much larger...Even then the Centre wasnt going to collect it until I threatened to shake the container...He was very sensative to movement, you run your finger along the outside of the box and it would follow...particularly if you ran your finger underneith the box...then you could see him expose his small fangs :laugh: He was perfectly proportioned, the best specimen I have ever discovered...gave us a jolly good fight though, two collegues and over quarter of an hour of evasion to try and coax him into captivity..HE dropped out of the box and tried to decend to the floor on a thread of silk...that was his downfall if you pardon the pun...touch down right into deli pot, and snap...into my possession. I bet they sold him for a pretty penny, he will be an absolute beast when he comes of age. He'd just been through his first malt, so he didnt look as...colourful as he would usually, native to Cameroon, so I hear.

TexasRN
12-17-2009, 11:19 PM
Not all Widows HAVE the hourglass on the back...not all Widows even have red markings at all.

Its their size...I mean this was tiny little insect :blink:

Ick. Spiders of all kinds are nasty but black widows and brown recluses are killers here.


~Amy

Tyburn
12-17-2009, 11:34 PM
Ick. Spiders of all kinds are nasty but black widows and brown recluses are killers here.


~Amy

Yeah, Im familiar with the Recluse...didnt know it was a killer though. Most of our stuff is sourced from California if its coming from the United States. Thats about the only State that seems to provide...Really, What I dont like is the stuff that comes from Meso and South America.

I am not enamoured with Spider Season in Brazil, for example. Not only do they have lots of Arachnids...but all of them are fugly, even for Arachnids...I mean Spiders are not pretty looking...but the ones from Brazil are like the mingers of Spider Society...If I ever see another Banana Spider it will be too soon...I mean there is no conceivable reason why they should be so vile looking.

The good thing about my job in this aspect is that 9 times out of 10 its about the extraction of a corpse. These lifeforms are delicate, you put them in a depressurized cargo hold for hours in a plane, and they explode like tiny grenades :laugh: also, as a lot of stuff is in cold storage, and these things are not warm blooded...they shut down and almost hibernate...which makes them easy to manage.

But when your looking for codes, you have to focus right up close, and when you see more then a pair of legs wiggle from under the little card, and then an unaturally black midgit of a spider scuttle across the orange as if it knows its been spotted, in an ambient line, its time to reach for the delipot.

Most Weired includes a live Scorpion...well, two actually...one actually went home with the customer and was then brought back...still alive :blink: (Customer services even asked if they had a receipt for it, claiming that scorpions were a discontinued line and we were sorry but we couldnt exchange it for a new one :laugh::laugh:) the other beautiful find was a dessicated locust...it was HUGE...it was the length of my handspan.

But my Favourite was the Baby Baboon Tarantular. Perfectly formed, I bet his parents were proud of him, he was healthy, he was active...but rather then being orange, he was a dull black because he malted...probably in transit, maybe even out of shock...because he looked a little small to be malting at his age.

So long as I retire before a Funnel Web is discovered I dont mind. I NEVER want to see a live Funnel Web. Not ever. Snakes, Widows, Insects, Arachnids, Tarantula, I can cope with...but a Funnel Web Spider...that creeps me out, just the thought of one.

Blade
12-17-2009, 11:36 PM
I hope Asda are paying you danger money Dave :frantics:

Tyburn
12-17-2009, 11:44 PM
I hope Asda are paying you danger money Dave :frantics:

:laugh: dont be silly :laugh:

It not ASDAs legal responsibility anyway...its whichever company brought the stow-away into the country. It happens so rarely...I mean...we probably have a dead find maybe once a quarter, and its usually a harmless speicies anyway.

I was shocked when they told me the bugger I caught would have given a nasty bite. I watched it for ages before deciding it was even worth capturing...I couldnt decided if it was British or Foreign and when I caught it loads of collegues criticised me, saying that it was just a normal spider...but it was the colour...imagine a black spider...right...now imagine a black spider that is kinda shiny...almost...I thought it was the colour that struck me...and when I got the delipot out, it reared up and I knew it was not native then...English Spiders dont rear, they cant rear (well except for the False Widow which now inhabits the south of England, and do you know how that happened? It came across accidentaly, and I guess whoever saw it wasnt convinced it was Foreign and let it be...a few warm summers and England just developed its first poisen spider...last time I heard it had made the south London Boroughs...give it another five years and it will have reached Hadrians wall. :laugh: I'm front line defence against these imposters...they can bugger whole eco-systems if your not careful you know.

Blade
12-17-2009, 11:47 PM
:laugh: dont be silly :laugh:

It not ASDAs legal responsibility anyway...its whichever company brought the stow-away into the country. It happens so rarely...I mean...we probably have a dead find maybe once a quarter, and its usually a harmless speicies anyway.

I was shocked when they told me the bugger I caught would have given a nasty bite. I watched it for ages before deciding it was even worth capturing...I couldnt decided if it was British or Foreign and when I caught it loads of collegues criticised me, saying that it was just a normal spider...but it was the colour...imagine a black spider...right...now imagine a black spider that is kinda shiny...almost...I thought it was the colour that struck me...and when I got the delipot out, it reared up and I knew it was not native then...English Spiders dont rear, they cant rear (well except for the False Widow which now inhabits the south of England, and do you know how that happened? It came across accidentaly, and I guess whoever saw it wasnt convinced it was Foreign and let it be...a few warm summers and England just developed its first poisen spider...last time I heard it had made the south London Boroughs...give it another five years and it will have reached Hadrians wall. :laugh: I'm front line defence against these imposters...they can bugger whole eco-systems if your not careful you know.

On behalf of Great Britain, I salute you, sir. :cool:

Tyburn
12-17-2009, 11:51 PM
On behalf of Great Britain, I salute you, sir. :cool:

:laugh::laugh:

I'm just doing my job

:ashamed:

MattHughesRocks
12-18-2009, 12:19 AM
Wow, that dog didn't go to bed hungry did he? :w00t:

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/pitbulls_attack_50_yr_old_thief2.gif

MattHughesRocks
12-18-2009, 12:24 AM
I remember when I was a teenager I had a pitbull ( my first one) and the people next door had a huge ammount of cats and...well, you guessed it..they'd come over and get killed by my dog. I'd just have someone pick the cat up by the tail and throw it back over the wall that it came from.
Cats are pointless :laugh:

You have a cat? Could you tell me what good is a cat?

TENNESSEAN
12-18-2009, 12:52 AM
:scared0015:

:laugh:you like spiders dont you

Chuck
12-18-2009, 01:12 AM
:laugh:you like spiders dont you

Hate 'em!

But I love my snake!


...although he hasn't been eating recently... has me a bit worried...

JEFF!!!!! Any thoughts bro?

Preach
12-18-2009, 01:18 AM
Can we just let the dead dog lie.................. lol

and yes pun intended
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

matthughesfan21
12-18-2009, 01:22 AM
Hate 'em!

But I love my snake!


...although he hasn't been eating recently... has me a bit worried...

JEFF!!!!! Any thoughts bro?
he's sizing you up...emptying his stomach, he wants you chuck:rolleyes:

DonnaMaria
12-18-2009, 02:45 AM
Can we just let the dead dog lie.................. lol

and yes pun intended
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

speaking of dead dogs.........

on a side note.......if anyone would like to come to NJ and shoot a dog I have one for you. His name is Max and he is a Carin Terrier and the WORST DOG IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!:angry:

He is 6 years old and we have tried EVERYTHING to make him obedient and submissive to no avail. He is INCOURAGABLE!!!!!! He snaps, he snarls, he dominates the 140 lb mastiff and he is a 17 lb dog!!!!! He won’t listen, he won’t behave. Horrible. Horrible little dog.

So why is he still around? Because he was a present. From my daughter’s GODFATHER! And the godfather loves this dog. Thinks he’s the greatest thing. So I can’t kill him.

I have tried to let nature take its course with him……..

He ate 3 lbs of chocolate…….the vet said he was as good as dead…….he lived.

He got hit by a car, and got up and walked away.

He jumped out of a window…..and bounced…..and lived.

He jumped out of a moving car…….and lived.

He gets into fights with big dogs at the park ALL THE TIME!!! And he NEVER GETS A SCRATCH!!!!!

Therefore there can only be one conclusion……..HE IS THE DEVIL! I HAVE A DEVIL DOG!!!!!

So, in the Sicilian Spirit of things……if anyone would like to take care of this dog for me, send me a PM. But send it under an assumed name. Tell me that you would like to send Max a present. And I will give you the date, time and location of Max so that he will be able to receive his present. And you can take care of things from there.:ninja:

Then when Max shows up deceased…….I can look my daughter and her Godfather straight in the eye and say without hesitation…….

“Oh my goodness. Who could have done such a horrible thing. I have no idea who did this!”

And MEAN it!:ninja:

Salude!

DonnaMaria
12-18-2009, 02:47 AM
oh ......and of course.......the above conversation never took place.....:ninja:

Neezar
12-18-2009, 02:48 AM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

TENNESSEAN
12-18-2009, 03:05 AM
Hate 'em!

But I love my snake!


...although he hasn't been eating recently... has me a bit worried...

JEFF!!!!! Any thoughts bro?

Have you tried feeding him a pit bull puppy or maybe a stray kitten. :)

Spiritwalker
12-18-2009, 04:10 AM
Blade , i didnt delete that post lol . its still there.



And spirit walker , you are proving your ignorance with every post. keep going , i am really having a ton of fun at your expense. Anyone that quotes those pictures that Nate posted and then still trys to justify the breed and defend it is ....... well you fill in the blanks.

Your own statistics that you posted said the breed has a shocking fatality attack rate , breed specific . You are beat on this one , your not going to convince anyone here you are right , you have shown everything you have and the lack there of .

How is showing you that Pit Bulls do not "wayyy more".. attack people than other breeds.. then I go past those and factor in other issues...

Your mistaken..

YOU talk about killing puppies and taking pleasure in it.

I justify the breed because of my personal experience.. over MANY years...

You talk about crappy links with information that is "biased".. media hype and junk....

Have pit bulls attacked and killed people.. sure... have Rotties... and sheppards.. and pommerainians... have poodles.. you bet...

It's NOT the dog.. it's how the dog is treated...it's the owner..

and in one of the pictures that Nate posted.. I belive that was the guy that had died in an alley or something.. and was found with a couple of street "bull type" dogs eating him.. they didn't kill him..as it was later proven.. another couple.. were not exactly "house pets"...

When I say closed minded people (in this thread).. I am referring to people that seem to normally want to think for and come up with their own findings..rather than search "PIT BULL ATTACKS" and take what is found as gospel....
Just a bit shocking...

As for hunting.. it's not "my thing" due to a personal history...
Do I eat meat... sure thing!!! (mickey D's is hardly real beef)... but if I was on an island.. with fruits and eatable plants.. and cows... I would probably be a vegetarian..
I just have a problem with killing animals...now if it came down to me dying.. or killing a rabbit/chicken/cow or whatever to eat.. sure... But hunting just isn't for me..

Is Matt and Mark Hughes... Boomer and all the others...morons and scuh for hunting... of course not.. if you mare eating what you kill.. no.. that's not a bad thing..
I do feel that hunting for trophies.. and wasting the meat and such..kinda lame.. but that's a personal issue.

as for you Mac.. /me just shakes my head...

internationalharvester
12-18-2009, 04:30 AM
How is showing you that Pit Bulls do not "wayyy more".. attack people than other breeds.. then I go past those and factor in other issues...

Your mistaken..

YOU talk about killing puppies and taking pleasure in it.

I justify the breed because of my personal experience.. over MANY years...

You talk about crappy links with information that is "biased".. media hype and junk....

Have pit bulls attacked and killed people.. sure... have Rotties... and sheppards.. and pommerainians... have poodles.. you bet...

It's NOT the dog.. it's how the dog is treated...it's the owner..

and in one of the pictures that Nate posted.. I belive that was the guy that had died in an alley or something.. and was found with a couple of street "bull type" dogs eating him.. they didn't kill him..as it was later proven.. another couple.. were not exactly "house pets"...

When I say closed minded people (in this thread).. I am referring to people that seem to normally want to think for and come up with their own findings..rather than search "PIT BULL ATTACKS" and take what is found as gospel....
Just a bit shocking...

As for hunting.. it's not "my thing" due to a personal history...
Do I eat meat... sure thing!!! (mickey D's is hardly real beef)... but if I was on an island.. with fruits and eatable plants.. and cows... I would probably be a vegetarian..
I just have a problem with killing animals...now if it came down to me dying.. or killing a rabbit/chicken/cow or whatever to eat.. sure... But hunting just isn't for me..

Is Matt and Mark Hughes... Boomer and all the others...morons and scuh for hunting... of course not.. if you mare eating what you kill.. no.. that's not a bad thing..
I do feel that hunting for trophies.. and wasting the meat and such..kinda lame.. but that's a personal issue.

as for you Mac.. /me just shakes my head...

HA! show me one where a damn poodle has attacked and killed someone, seriously get a damn life your beat and you know it, just because your dogs never attacked doesnt mean a damn thing, and you know it, they are a dangerous dog to have, ESPECIALLY around children

on a side note, mac feel like some yote huntin? just got back in town this morning

Spiritwalker
12-18-2009, 04:45 AM
HA! show me one where a damn poodle has attacked and killed someone, seriously get a damn life your beat and you know it, just because your dogs never attacked doesnt mean a damn thing, and you know it, they are a dangerous dog to have, ESPECIALLY around children

on a side note, mac feel like some yote huntin? just got back in town this morning


Here you go...
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_396850.html
http://noolmusic.com/google_videos/crazy_toy_poodle_attack.php
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1126136/Former-French-President-Chirac-hospitalised-mauling-clinically-depressed-poodle.html?ITO=1490
http://www.mihav.com/en/forum/dog-breeds/1-yr-old-toy-poodle-attack-36679/

Nah.. a "poodle could never be a "mean dog"....

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/43/99675645_d2bdb22287.jpg

I think only one of these people died.. not to sure... but there are some LARGE poodles....

My point is that DOGS are dangerous... It's how you treat them..

My pit.. and 4 others I interact with very often.. are "members of the family".. and are as gentle as "any other dog"

KENTUCKYREDBONE
12-18-2009, 11:19 AM
I'm guessing some of Y'All missed the part about alot of times they are identified as Pit's when they ain't!

Mac
12-18-2009, 12:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khTntOxX-k

Llamafighter
12-18-2009, 12:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khTntOxX-k

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Someone hurry up and change sides on this issue so we can move on. OR should we take a vote?
Someone poll this thread!

Mac
12-18-2009, 12:44 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Someone hurry up and change sides on this issue so we can move on. OR should we take a vote?
Someone poll this thread!

I was going to change sides , but when i woke up thismorning , I still had common sence soo , guess i cant jump ship.

Mac
12-18-2009, 12:45 PM
look , i can post growly pictures to

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/00bunnymad.jpg

Llamafighter
12-18-2009, 12:52 PM
Those pictures nater posted haunted my dreams last night. I also saw a couple vids on Youtube of PB attacks that freaked me out.

Like I said I only met maybe two of the dogs in my life and both were total babies and really easy to be around.

In my neighborhood there are 14 yr old kids with these things on the end on chains and I cross the street when I see them.

Neezar
12-18-2009, 01:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khTntOxX-k

:w00t:

Cool movie. lol

Llamafighter
12-18-2009, 01:35 PM
Everrytime the credits start roling at the end it's fun to scream "neverending my @$$!!!"

Neezar
12-18-2009, 01:38 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Someone hurry up and change sides on this issue so we can move on. OR should we take a vote?
Someone poll this thread!

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m11/Badcarma0325/untitled-1.jpg

Llamafighter
12-18-2009, 01:58 PM
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m11/Badcarma0325/untitled-1.jpg

We can keep it going, I could care less...:rolleyes:

Neezar
12-18-2009, 02:28 PM
We can keep it going, I could care less...:rolleyes:

I think you misunderstood the origin of the frustration. :laugh:

Llamafighter
12-18-2009, 04:41 PM
I think you misunderstood the origin of the frustration. :laugh:

:laugh::laugh:probably:laugh::laugh:

KENTUCKYREDBONE
12-18-2009, 06:20 PM
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

I was gonna put this test in a separate thread but somebody didn't think we could keep it separate from this debate!

Llamafighter
12-18-2009, 06:40 PM
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

I was gonna put this test in a separate thread but somebody didn't think we could keep it separate from this debate!

Man, I'll be honest that I didn't get the pitbull til my 5th try.

Spiritwalker
12-18-2009, 06:48 PM
second try.... GREAT DOGS!!!

Neezar
12-18-2009, 06:52 PM
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

I was gonna put this test in a separate thread but somebody didn't think we could keep it separate from this debate!
That test is to pick out a pure breed American Pit bull.

This thread isn't speaking of American Pit Bulls in particular. I think the people here are referring to the general term 'pit bull' as commonly used.



Pit bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog (http://www.matt-hughes.com/wiki/Dog) in the Molosser (http://www.matt-hughes.com/wiki/Molosser) family. Many breed-specific laws use the term "pit bull" to refer to the modern American Pit Bull Terrier (http://www.matt-hughes.com/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier), American Staffordshire Terrier (http://www.matt-hughes.com/wiki/American_Staffordshire_Terrier), and Staffordshire Bull Terrier (http://www.matt-hughes.com/wiki/Staffordshire_Bull_Terrier), and dogs with significant mixes of these breeds; however, a few jurisdictions also classify the modern American Bulldog (http://www.matt-hughes.com/wiki/American_Bulldog) and Bull Terrier (http://www.matt-hughes.com/wiki/Bull_Terrier) as a "pit bull-type dog". The term can also refer to dogs that were known as "bull terriers" prior to the development of the modern Bull Terrier (http://www.matt-hughes.com/wiki/Bull_Terrier) in the early 20th century.


Using the above definition, which most of us here are, then many of the dogs on your page would be considered pit bulls.

Llamafighter
12-18-2009, 07:49 PM
second try.... GREAT DOGS!!!

which number did you pick the first time?

Mac
12-18-2009, 08:09 PM
first try. and im the one that removed it but i deleted it instead of merging it which i should have done , so i sent you the pm to ad it here.

and for the record i got it ont he very first shot , a few of those dogs are deffinate pitbull off chutes the alpha blue blood dog , " pitbull"

Pres

cheachea
12-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Wow , I honest to God got it on the first try LOL. I've heard that true American pitbull terriers are not supposed to be ridiculously muscular or tall.

Mac
12-19-2009, 01:53 AM
I had to come back in here and post this.


Was watching the dog whisperer thisevening.

Cesar had a family that had a pitbull that was being a problem , so he takes it , works all his magic on it and its time for reuniting.

He has his " pack " with him which includes a couple other pitbulls. The family is reunited with the dog , then the pitbulls all go into an agressive pose . You here ceasar say something along the lines of " thats not good" then WHAM , the blood is flying , dogs are squelling and the pitbulls are LOCKED together at the mouth , blood just pouring out , it takes about 4 people ripping on the dogs to get them separated, as one of the trainers removes one of them the pitbull makes a pass at his arm . seemed like all the other dogs were running away , but those 2 pitbulls were fighting and the other pitbull took after some other dog just out of exitement and those to were going at it . Finally right before the commercial break cesar says " i think you need to change dogs"

HA HA HA. Cesar milan can train any dog , except a pitbull.

TENNESSEAN
12-19-2009, 04:04 AM
I had to come back in here and post this.


Was watching the dog whisperer thisevening.

Cesar had a family that had a pitbull that was being a problem , so he takes it , works all his magic on it and its time for reuniting.

He has his " pack " with him which includes a couple other pitbulls. The family is reunited with the dog , then the pitbulls all go into an agressive pose . You here ceasar say something along the lines of " thats not good" then WHAM , the blood is flying , dogs are squelling and the pitbulls are LOCKED together at the mouth , blood just pouring out , it takes about 4 people ripping on the dogs to get them separated, as one of the trainers removes one of them the pitbull makes a pass at his arm . seemed like all the other dogs were running away , but those 2 pitbulls were fighting and the other pitbull took after some other dog just out of exitement and those to were going at it . Finally right before the commercial break cesar says " i think you need to change dogs"

HA HA HA. Cesar milan can train any dog , except a pitbull.

Cesar is a big fan of pitbulls but he makes it very clear that pitbulls are not good pets for most pepole.

TENNESSEAN
12-19-2009, 05:21 AM
crackberry

TENNESSEAN
12-19-2009, 05:28 AM
That test is to pick out a pure breed American Pit bull.

This thread isn't speaking of American Pit Bulls in particular. I think the people here are referring to the general term 'pit bull' as commonly used.




Using the above definition, which most of us here are, then many of the dogs on your page would be considered pit bulls.

The american bull dog does not belong in that definition. True pits are all terrier's. Pit terriers are the breed that people consider dangerous. They have no bull dog in them.

The terrier is what gives them attitude. Not only would I never have or recommend a pit bull as a family pet. I would never have most terrier breed dogs.

Jack Russell, rat terriers. they are all as mean as pits. There size just makes them more manageable. I had a friend that raised rat terrorist. 9 of his 15 lb dogs penned a 90 lb lab under a car and killed it. Terriers are bad pets in general.

The american bull dog is in the same family as english bull dogs and french bull dogs. They are generally harmless (to lazy to attack anyone or thing) The english and french have been bread down to smaller dogs. The american is much larger and can have a standard muzzle witch looks like a pit or a bully muzzle witch looks more like a english bull dog.
For health reasons I prefer the standard.

The american bull dog association successfully sued to have the breed removed from certain insurance companies dangerous breed list and to separate them from the pit terrorist breeders. I have an american bulldog named josy. You can see a pic of her on my facebook page.

Pits are not big dogs americans are. Dog fighters where breeding american bull dogs with pit terrorist to put size on them. This did not work most of the time, because the american bull dog took a lot of the aggression out of the dogs made them lazy you could say.

There are three types of pit terrorist breeders. Like most animals blood lines mean a lot.
1) There are your fighters and thugs. They look for certain blood lines that promote aggression. Bad
2) There are puppy mills. They don't care just as long as they have papers. Bad
3)There are confirmation and obedience breeders. They have ALL MOST bread all the aggression out of their blood lines. If any one reports aggression from any dog at any time that dog can not show ever. There is a lot of time and money spent and these people can't afford a aggressive dog. Still bad in my opinion but not as bad

I agree with mac if there was a stray pit terrorist show up in my yard with my kids playing. That's a dead dog. I ain't taken any chances.

I'm not going to jump a ditch to kill a puppy or nothing
:laugh: but if ones around my kids he's a gone.

Pit terrorist are awesome athletes and have all the qualities the police departments look for in k9 dogs. So why don't you see more pits in law enforcement. Because most of them are unpredictable and crazy.

Oh and nate breeding a ridge back with a pit is like breeding gasoline to a flame. :laugh:

I have to go to bed now my fingers hurt.

Mac
12-19-2009, 02:58 PM
breeding a ridge back with a pit is like breeding gasoline to a flame. :laugh:

.


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Llamafighter
12-19-2009, 03:20 PM
I watched two vids this week on youtube, one was a K-9 officer shooting a Pit that went after his K-9 during a routine traffic stop after the driver said the dog would pose not threat to the officer.
The other was a Pit attacking 4-5 people one of which was the dogs owner after it attacked animal control responding to a complaint. in the end the dog is running around a yard with two officers shooting at it and another in a truck trying to run it over.
Scariest dog I was ever around was a friends Akita/chow mix. it bit 3 of my friends and went after me once when I tried to pet it. He'd always say "jsut move real slow around him so he doesn't get freaked out and bite you". I used to think "Wow what a great pet to have!" peopel stopped going over to his house because of that dog. finally it bit a runner and got euthenized.

TENNESSEAN
12-19-2009, 04:33 PM
I watched two vids this week on youtube, one was a K-9 officer shooting a Pit that went after his K-9 during a routine traffic stop after the driver said the dog would pose not threat to the officer.
The other was a Pit attacking 4-5 people one of which was the dogs owner after it attacked animal control responding to a complaint. in the end the dog is running around a yard with two officers shooting at it and another in a truck trying to run it over.
Scariest dog I was ever around was a friends Akita/chow mix. it bit 3 of my friends and went after me once when I tried to pet it. He'd always say "jsut move real slow around him so he doesn't get freaked out and bite you". I used to think "Wow what a great pet to have!" peopel stopped going over to his house because of that dog. finally it bit a runner and got euthenized.

when i was a kid i had a chow. one day we were outside playing my dad was there and the chow nipped at me. my mom suddenly had to go to the store and i had to go with her. when we got home my chow was missing. we looked high and low for him. never did find him. dang i miss that dog i have know idea what could have ever happen to him:unsure-1::laugh:

Chuck
12-20-2009, 04:55 AM
You know I really don't have a dog in this fight (pun intended) but I do have a question or two...

I know when a gun is used irresponsibly we don't blame the gun... we blame the person using the gun....

When drunk driver kills somebody we don't blame the car.... we blame the person at the wheel....

So while I admit it's not a perfectly equal comparison.... How come when a pit bull attacks it's all the dogs fault? :huh:

I freely admit I don't know a lot about dogs but it just seems to me that a portion of the blame.. perhaps a large portion... should be at the hands of the owner.

Most if not all of the aggressive pit's I've ever seen were owned by some less then responsible people living in some less then ideal neighborhoods. People who I could say aren't exactly the "cream of the crop" of society.

I just don't think you can ignore the environment an animal is raised in and the people who raised it and focus completely on it's genetics..

ALL stats can be misleading when taken out of context so I don't give too much credit to some of the "facts" listed on both sides of this discussion. I mean nobody here would believe that Dennis Hallman is a better fighter than Matt right? But we could take some stats out of context and show he is.


So how much blame if any should be on the shoulders of the owners of the pit's and the environment they are raised in?

Spiritwalker
12-20-2009, 09:53 AM
They are aggressive dogs... but that has to be given direction..

They play hard.. and are fierce and loyal...

I would play with my dogs all the time. I still have 3 other dogs. And we are always doing something.

When it was just me and Gambit, we would play tug of war for hours as a time. But he got so strong that I ended up tying my end of the rope to a tree... and just holding it.. and all he did pull and pull.... (granted pitbulls are smart but NOT a rocket sceintist)

I taught him to fetch.. but he would hold a tennis ball in his mouth.. if I told him to "Kill It!".. he would squeeze until it was punctured.. then that tennis ball would be shredded in less than a minute.

Dogs are like people.. they will mirror their surroundings and how they are brought up.

Tyburn
12-20-2009, 11:39 AM
Dogs are like people.. they will mirror their surroundings and how they are brought up.
The difference is Dogs are animals...and people are not. People are people. Essentially dogs are stimulas and response. :mellow: They dont have a conscious mind...Classical Conditioning wont wipe away ancient drives.

Spiritwalker
12-20-2009, 11:44 AM
The difference is Dogs are animals...and people are not.

If you get into the science of it.. not alot of physical difference..



People are people. Essentially dogs are stimulas and response. :mellow: They dont have a conscious mind...Classical Conditioning wont wipe away ancient drives.


Leaving the Deopech Mode reference alone....

People are stimulas and response just as well.

Tyburn
12-20-2009, 11:48 AM
If you get into the science of it.. not alot of physical difference..




Leaving the Deopech Mode reference alone....

People are stimulas and response just as well.

People have a full and proper conscious mind. Dogs do not.

That is a VERY big difference indeed.