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rearnakedchoke
12-03-2009, 03:20 PM
http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/cp-article.aspx?cp-documentid=22784611

Canadian 'spy coins' prompted questions in U.S. about northern neighbour
WASHINGTON - How much does the U.S. government really trust Canada? Maybe less than you think.

Espionage warnings from the Defence Department caused an international sensation a few years ago over reports of mysterious coins with radio frequency transmitters, until they were debunked.

The culprit turned out to be a commemorative quarter in Canada. But at the height of the mystery, senior Pentagon officials speculated whether Canadians were involved in the spy caper.

"I don't think it is an issue of the Canadians being the bad guys," the Pentagon's counterintelligence chief wrote in an exchange of emails obtained this week by The Associated Press, "but then again, who knows."

In the emails, released to AP under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act with names blacked out but job titles disclosed, Pentagon officials question whether they should warn military officers in the U.S. Northern Command, who regularly met Canadian counterparts about classified subjects inside bug-free government meeting rooms. The rooms are known as secure compartmentalized information facilities, or SKIFs.

"Isn't the Canadian piece something that should be briefed to Northcom since the Canadians sit in their SKIFs?" asked the Pentagon's deputy director for counterintelligence oversight, in emails marked "Secret/NoForn."

"Good point," replied the Pentagon's acting director for counterintelligence. "It is possible that DSS (the U.S. Defence Security Service) sent their report to Northcom. Then again, I don't think it is an issue of the Canadians being the bad guys, but then again, who knows."

Who knows?

Canada is among the closest of U.S. allies, its continental northern neighbour and the leading oil supplier for the United States. The intelligence services of the two countries are extraordinarily tight and routinely share sensitive secrets. President Barack Obama chose Canada as the destination of his first foreign trip, to underscore what he described as the two countries' long-standing and growing friendship.

In sensational warnings that circulated publicly in late 2006 and early 2007, the Pentagon's Defence Security Service said coins with radio transmitters were found planted on U.S. Army contractors with classified security clearances on at least three separate occasions between October 2005 and January 2006 as the contractors travelled through Canada.

In January 2007, the government abruptly reversed itself and said the warnings were not true. The case remained a mystery until months later, when AP learned that the flap had been caused by suspicions over the odd-looking Canadian "poppy" quarter with a bright red flower.

The silver-coloured 25-cent piece features the red image of a poppy - Canada's flower of war remembrance - inlaid on a maple leaf.

What suspicious contractors believed to be "nanotechnology" on the coins actually was a protective coating the Royal Canadian Mint applied to prevent the poppy's red colour from rubbing off. The mint produced nearly 30 million such quarters in 2004 commemorating Canada's 117,000 war dead.

The Pentagon turned over the latest emails from inside its Office of the Undersecretary of Defence for Intelligence nearly two years after the AP requested them under the Freedom of Information Act. Many of the emails were censored over what the Pentagon said was national security and personal privacy.

One email included a curious message on the same day the Defence Security Service publicly disavowed its warning about the spy coins.

"I am guessing y'all know the status of the Canadian coin situation," it read. It called for an internal meeting "to chat about the next step to put Humpty together again" and suggested notifying the media - and the Canadians.

Crisco
12-03-2009, 03:26 PM
Canadian Bacon

VCURamFan
12-03-2009, 05:15 PM
BLAME CANADA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7UKllR0Edo

flo
12-03-2009, 07:44 PM
Isn't Canada just a subsidiary of the U.S.?










heh heh, just kidding... :tongue0011:

Maglorius
12-03-2009, 08:58 PM
If only John Candy was still here to read this.

que
12-03-2009, 10:48 PM
hmm.. the US vs canada, now THAT would be an interesting war. knockout by the US at 0:01 of the first round

bradwright
12-04-2009, 12:10 AM
hmm.. the US vs canada, now THAT would be an interesting war. knockout by the US at 0:01 of the first round

well according to your logic the war in Afghanistan should have been over before it started then.:wink:

rockdawg21
12-04-2009, 01:51 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/238/455400758_4f9779f766_o.jpg

http://joygantic.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/05/blame_canada_1.jpg

flo
12-04-2009, 02:00 AM
If only John Candy was still here to read this.

LOL! I still miss the big guy :-)

rearnakedchoke
12-04-2009, 04:30 AM
hmm.. the US vs canada, now THAT would be an interesting war. knockout by the US at 0:01 of the first round

haha .. maybe ... but your shock and awe was supposed to take care of iraq pretty quick and you are sending more troops to afghanistan too .... win a war with a third world nation first ...

Neezar
12-04-2009, 10:49 AM
well according to your logic the war in Afghanistan should have been over before it started then.:wink:

:unsure-1: :ashamed:


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Neezar
12-04-2009, 10:52 AM
Espionage warnings from the Defence Department caused an international sensation a few years ago over reports of mysterious coins with radio frequency transmitters, until they were debunked.

The culprit turned out to be a commemorative quarter in Canada. But at the height of the mystery, senior Pentagon officials speculated whether Canadians were involved in the spy caper.

In sensational warnings that circulated publicly in late 2006 and early 2007, the Pentagon's Defence Security Service said coins with radio transmitters were found planted on U.S. Army contractors with classified security clearances on at least three separate occasions between October 2005 and January 2006 as the contractors travelled through Canada.

In January 2007, the government abruptly reversed itself and said the warnings were not true. The case remained a mystery until months later, when AP learned that the flap had been caused by suspicions over the odd-looking Canadian "poppy" quarter with a bright red flower.

The silver-coloured 25-cent piece features the red image of a poppy - Canada's flower of war remembrance - inlaid on a maple leaf.

What suspicious contractors believed to be "nanotechnology" on the coins actually was a protective coating the Royal Canadian Mint applied to prevent the poppy's red colour from rubbing off. The mint produced nearly 30 million such quarters in 2004 commemorating Canada's 117,000 war dead.

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:doh::ashamed:

KENTUCKYREDBONE
12-04-2009, 04:22 PM
Every Country that has the ability to do so is probably spying on each other!

sender
12-04-2009, 07:16 PM
I'm spying on you guys right now... via Matt Hughes forum...


:ninja:

VCURamFan
12-04-2009, 07:26 PM
I'm spying on you guys right now... via Matt Hughes forum...


:ninja:

EXTREME espionage!!! :laugh:

eric84
12-04-2009, 09:21 PM
haha .. maybe ... but your shock and awe was supposed to take care of iraq pretty quick and you are sending more troops to afghanistan too .... win a war with a third world nation first ...

While it would obviously take longer than .001 or whatever seconds he mentioned, there would be a big difference between the two wars. In Iraq, we decimated their army in days and their government fell, but we stayed for other reasons. Whereas if we invaded Canada it wouldn't be to seek out and destroy all the terrorists, it would be to force them to surrender. It's the occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan that is where we have the problems, and it being a 3rd world country is what actually makes it harder. If it was a more stable country with a more stable government, it's less likely we would need to occupy it.

I don't think the US is ALL powerful, but we are the most powerful nation(still, hopefully it lasts).

I'm curious though if anyone has any statistics on the amount of troops, tanks, other vehicles, planes, etc that Canada has. Does Canada allow the US to have any bases there(don't think we would need them, but just curious).

Crisco
12-04-2009, 09:48 PM
While it would obviously take longer than .001 or whatever seconds he mentioned, there would be a big difference between the two wars. In Iraq, we decimated their army in days and their government fell, but we stayed for other reasons. Whereas if we invaded Canada it wouldn't be to seek out and destroy all the terrorists, it would be to force them to surrender. It's the occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan that is where we have the problems, and it being a 3rd world country is what actually makes it harder. If it was a more stable country with a more stable government, it's less likely we would need to occupy it.

I don't think the US is ALL powerful, but we are the most powerful nation(still, hopefully it lasts).

I'm curious though if anyone has any statistics on the amount of troops, tanks, other vehicles, planes, etc that Canada has. Does Canada allow the US to have any bases there(don't think we would need them, but just curious).

Aprox. 67,000 on active duty.

bradwright
12-05-2009, 12:18 AM
While it would obviously take longer than .001 or whatever seconds he mentioned, there would be a big difference between the two wars. In Iraq, we decimated their army in days and their government fell, but we stayed for other reasons. Whereas if we invaded Canada it wouldn't be to seek out and destroy all the terrorists, it would be to force them to surrender. It's the occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan that is where we have the problems, and it being a 3rd world country is what actually makes it harder. If it was a more stable country with a more stable government, it's less likely we would need to occupy it.

I don't think the US is ALL powerful, but we are the most powerful nation(still, hopefully it lasts).

I'm curious though if anyone has any statistics on the amount of troops, tanks, other vehicles, planes, etc that Canada has. Does Canada allow the US to have any bases there(don't think we would need them, but just curious).


well let me start by saying we have at least 3 submarines...i know this because i have seen them for myself...they are at west Edmonton mall.:wink:

as far as bases go have you ever heard of NORAD ?:unsure-1:

mscomc
12-05-2009, 05:38 AM
While it would obviously take longer than .001 or whatever seconds he mentioned, there would be a big difference between the two wars. In Iraq, we decimated their army in days and their government fell, but we stayed for other reasons. Whereas if we invaded Canada it wouldn't be to seek out and destroy all the terrorists, it would be to force them to surrender. It's the occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan that is where we have the problems, and it being a 3rd world country is what actually makes it harder. If it was a more stable country with a more stable government, it's less likely we would need to occupy it.

I don't think the US is ALL powerful, but we are the most powerful nation(still, hopefully it lasts).

I'm curious though if anyone has any statistics on the amount of troops, tanks, other vehicles, planes, etc that Canada has. Does Canada allow the US to have any bases there(don't think we would need them, but just curious).

Well, it is true, the 'army' (the official one) was decimated. This is just my oppinion, but usually armies in the 3rd world countries, are usually pretty bad. Not that they cant be good, but usually the troops are made up people who are just looking for a job....they dont have that "killer" instinct or combat way of thinking. One group of people that is giving the U.S (and other nations) a hard time are the militants and militia/freedom fighters or extremeists or whatever you wanna call them. I think thats one reason the progress is SO slow. Those guy are giving the U.S (and again other nations) a hard time just like the viet cong did in vietnam (by the way, im watching PLATOON right now), because they use urban warfare.

And by the way, the U.S did try to invade canada many years ago. Thomas Jefferson was quoted (on how they were going to capture the province of quebec) as saying "It will be a matter of marching".....well we all know how that turned out:wink:

peace guys.

TexasRN
12-05-2009, 10:51 AM
well let me start by saying we have at least 3 submarines...i know this because i have seen them for myself...they are at west Edmonton mall.:wink:

as far as bases go have you ever heard of NORAD ?:unsure-1:

Are the subs diesel or nuke? If diesel, no way can they hide from anyone ever. Those suckers are LOUD underwater.

Just went googling and it seems that Canada has 4 subs that it bought from England. Diesel subs.


~Amy

bradwright
12-05-2009, 02:48 PM
Are the subs diesel or nuke? If diesel, no way can they hide from anyone ever. Those suckers are LOUD underwater.

Just went googling and it seems that Canada has 4 subs that it bought from England. Diesel subs.


~Amy

we dont need to hide from anyone Amy.....everyone likes us.:):laugh:

VCURamFan
12-05-2009, 02:54 PM
we dont need to hide from anyone Amy.....everyone likes us.:):laugh:
Just so long as you keep up the supply of maple syrup & medicinal marijuana! :laugh:

TexasRN
12-05-2009, 02:57 PM
we dont need to hide from anyone Amy.....everyone likes us.:):laugh:


:laugh: Good point.


~Amy

TexasRN
12-05-2009, 02:58 PM
Just so long as you keep up the supply of maple syrup & medicinal marijuana! :laugh:

And the bacon. I love, love, love American bacon but every now and then I crave Canadian bacon. :)

~Amy

VCURamFan
12-05-2009, 03:04 PM
And the bacon. I love, love, love American bacon but every now and then I crave Canadian bacon. :)

~Amy
Holy crap, yeah, how could I forget that!!!

rearnakedchoke
12-05-2009, 06:15 PM
And the bacon. I love, love, love American bacon but every now and then I crave Canadian bacon. :)

~Amy

LOL ... really, what is canadian bacon??? isn't it just ham?

VCURamFan
12-05-2009, 06:18 PM
LOL ... really, what is canadian bacon??? isn't it just ham?
You got something against pig-meats? :punch:

rearnakedchoke
12-05-2009, 06:19 PM
Are the subs diesel or nuke? If diesel, no way can they hide from anyone ever. Those suckers are LOUD underwater.

Just went googling and it seems that Canada has 4 subs that it bought from England. Diesel subs.


~Amy

that's what we tell people we have ... we have a whole storage facility under a hollowed out section of the canadian shield ... oooops, did i just give away our big canadian secret?

rearnakedchoke
12-05-2009, 06:20 PM
You got something against pig-meats? :punch:

no man, but we don't ask for canadian bacon ... we just ask for bacon .... and i think it is good ol american bacon

VCURamFan
12-05-2009, 06:24 PM
no man, but we don't ask for canadian bacon ... we just ask for bacon .... and i think it is good ol american bacon
LIES! ALLL LIES!!!!! :frantics:

Tyburn
12-16-2009, 07:44 PM
I'm sure that Canada keeps tabs on the United States...but I'm even MORE sure that the United States keeps tabs on Canada.

Its not really spying...because its not for intelligence so much as awareness of whats going on in your neighbour.