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VCURamFan
01-22-2009, 05:21 AM
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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - by Mitch Gobetz - MMAWeekly.com
Former UFC lightweight champion Jens Pulver is looking to get back on the winning track when he takes on Urijah Faber at WEC 38 in a major rematch from their fight back in June of last year.

Pulver is training for this fight on a little bit of short notice, but he takes it all in stride.

“It is what it is,” he said in an interview with MMAWeekly Radio. “I'm excited of course to fight. It's been a tough month and a half to get here, but I'm excited. I'm out here in Auburn training, doing what I got to do to get ready for my fight. The family is with me. The quality time is continuing. It was a long delay and my friend Justin Eilers got murdered on Christmas, so I had to sit still and wait and go over there to say goodbye to him and go to his funeral.”

Unfortunately, because of the events surrounding this fight, such as the birth of his new son and the untimely death of Eilers, a fellow UFC veteran, Pulver was not able to hook up with Matt Hume of AMC for a full camp. “It's just me in Auburn up here at Vision Quest. It's a bunch of new guys I'm working with. It's pretty incredible. It's been a lot of fun. Even though Matt (Hume) couldn't be here, it was just one of those situations. Man, I wish one of these days, I'm going to give AMC and Matt Hume two solid months to train, but I haven't had that luxury.”

When the call came to rematch Faber, Pulver was a little hesitant because of the time frame and the distraction of his close friend's death.

“The opponent, I was more than happy,” he explained. “I'm like great. With my son, and with my friend being murdered – when I say friend, Justin and I go way back when we were 16. He moved out to Iowa and lived with me. It was real hard to lose him. He was somebody I was real, real close to. More than anything, I was hoping to have the holidays and everything, because I knew I wasn't going to have a full-on six days a week to train.

"I would have loved to have it in March. I love the opponent. Can I do it in March? They said no and that they needed it in January, so that was the only hesitation was just the timing. You got to do what you got to do. No complaining, no excuses.”

Even though the training camp was shortened, it provided a much-needed escape for Pulver after all that happened recently. “The training was more of an escape this time more than ever. It was more of a time to really vent and get the workouts going.”

Pulver had run into some tough fights lately, dropping a five-round decision to Faber, and losing quickly to Leonard Garcia after being hit hard with some big shots early in the first round. Learning from his mistakes, he has some things that he's worked on to make sure that it doesn't happen again.

“I'm going to duck a few more times and I'm going to throw a few more punches," he told MMAWeekly.com. "I'm not just going to stand there and allow him to hit me. I'm going to move around. I have some things that I want to work on and some things that I want to get done. It's just going to be up to me to get out there and do it.”

Losing two out of his last three in the WEC, Pulver feels like this fight is a now-or-never fight that can propel his career back into the limelight. “My back is against the wall. It seems like everybody is checking their watch and watching the last few grains of sand left and then the time's up. That's how I look at it. The truth is that I can only do one thing and show them that I'm still game.”

When it all comes down to it for a guy like Jens Pulver, it's all about doing what you love for who you love. In this case, he loves to fight and he loves to fight for his fans.

“I love them!” Pulver said about the fans. “They are the only reason I'm doing this. It ain't making me rich. I ain't comfortably sitting back in the luxury cars or anything. I'm doing this because this is my job. This is what I love to do.

"It's the fans that I love to speak to. It's the people I get to meet. It's the cheering I get to hear. It's the booing I get to hear. It's all of it. I love being in the middle of it. I love MMA. I love being a mixed martial artist. I love fighting.”

chum567
01-22-2009, 05:48 AM
i hope he wins

MattHughesRocks
01-22-2009, 06:00 AM
He better win :angry:

VCURamFan
01-22-2009, 06:17 AM
This is gonna be one heck of a fight.

Hughes_GOAT
01-22-2009, 07:12 AM
too bad Faber is coming off a loss...h'll be more focused now, then he was the first time they fought.

MattHughesRocks
01-22-2009, 07:14 AM
Oh don't even start it lil goat :angry:



too bad Faber is coming off a loss...h'll be more focused now, then he was the first time they fought.

Hughes_GOAT
01-22-2009, 07:16 AM
i'm just telling you how it is. Faber is more focused than ever and that's bad news for anyone fighting him, let alone Pulver.

VCURamFan
01-22-2009, 07:17 AM
I think Jens will come out more fire up, as well. He's not going to sit back when he rocks Urijah & let him recover.

Tyburn
01-22-2009, 06:54 PM
:mellow: Jens has seen Faber at his best, the same can not be said in reverse :ninja:

Max
01-22-2009, 07:20 PM
Faber by KO in round 2

Tyburn
01-22-2009, 07:31 PM
Faber by KO in round 2
:laugh: Faber tried that before...didnt get him very far

That might work in reverse order though :ninja:

Crisco
01-22-2009, 08:03 PM
I say pulver TKO rd 1. Jens will catch him with a good shot and put him away just got that feeling.

Tyburn
01-22-2009, 08:04 PM
I say pulver TKO rd 1. Jens will catch him with a good shot and put him away just got that feeling.
:) I got that feeling too

rearnakedchoke
01-22-2009, 08:09 PM
all i have to say is that faber better not have corn rows in this fight ...

Tyburn
01-22-2009, 08:21 PM
all i have to say is that faber better not have corn rows in this fight ...
:huh: I think he looked better with his hair up then down.

Down he's in danger of falling into the Clay Guida category of inappropriate amounts of hair for the job, but he looks alright...but when he has his hair up, you get to see what can only be described as near slavic cheek bones...thats part of his pinup popularity that...symetrical and high cheek bone equates to a good bone structure..pity about the chin, but noone is perfect... :blink:

Spiritwalker
01-23-2009, 04:05 AM
:mellow: Jens has seen Faber at his best, the same can not be said in reverse :ninja:

I have to agree with you there.

If Jens can "let go".. he may be able to pull out the win.

Moose
01-23-2009, 04:42 AM
Down he's in danger of falling into the Clay Guida category of inappropriate amounts of hair for the job, but he looks alright...but when he has his hair up, you get to see what can only be described as near slavic cheek bones...thats part of his pinup popularity that...symetrical and high cheek bone equates to a good bone structure..pity about the chin, but noone is perfect... :blink:
:unsure-1:

...the hell?

Tyburn
01-23-2009, 01:46 PM
:unsure-1:

...the hell?
:laugh: Read it slowly.

Faber looks good with his hair down, but with his hair up he looks better because of his bone structure...you cant see it when his hair has too much volume :blink: :laugh:

Spiritwalker
01-23-2009, 04:42 PM
:huh: I think he looked better with his hair up then down.

Down he's in danger of falling into the Clay Guida category of inappropriate amounts of hair for the job, but he looks alright...but when he has his hair up, you get to see what can only be described as near slavic cheek bones...thats part of his pinup popularity that...symetrical and high cheek bone equates to a good bone structure..pity about the chin, but noone is perfect... :blink:


inappropriate ???

You brits.. you think that the royals should decide EVERYTHING don't you?:tongue0011:


and you keep talking about Uriah like that.. Jens may get jealous!!!

Tyburn
01-23-2009, 07:41 PM
inappropriate ???

You brits.. you think that the royals should decide EVERYTHING don't you?:tongue0011:


and you keep talking about Uriah like that.. Jens may get jealous!!!
No...we just speak proper :laugh:

...and No :rolleyes:

Hughes_GOAT
01-25-2009, 05:00 AM
:mellow: Jens has seen Faber at his best, the same can not be said in reverse :ninja:

Jens isn't going to be at his best, he's older, he's not in his prime. but you're his fanatic so you'll say anything :wink:

Jason 16
01-25-2009, 10:48 PM
Ill sig bet this (just because I havent done one in a while) JENS all the way (not realy Iam just bored and would like to see jens win wont happen though)

Tyburn
01-25-2009, 11:02 PM
Jens isn't going to be at his best, he's older, he's not in his prime. but you're his fanatic so you'll say anything :wink:
Jens usually performs best when he's under a certain ammount of stress..when things arent going to well...when he has demons to fight. He works best in a situation thats hopeless...in a situation thats against statistical probability...When people say he definiately cant...thats when he's most likely to do...when people assume that he will do well...and he's carefree..when there is little riding on it...he seems to perform less well.

I think his perfomance is enhanced by stress and a doubting crowd.

Look at his predicament. He's lost two in a row, he's already lost to the person he's going to fight, people perceive him as being old, he's just suffered a bereavement, he's just had a child, and he's been training across Christmas.

All the makings of a probability nightmare for his chances of success. Thats why he will probably thrive. What I think you dont understand Andreas, and what a lot of people probably dont understand is that I could watch Jens Pulver fight and lose for the rest of his career, and it wouldnt change one ounce of loyalty or love that I have for him. I only want him to win because I think he deserves to win, I think he has the skills to win...and I want him to be happy, I want the best blessings GOD can possibly bestow...those usually come with a win

I will be sad and upset if he fails, because he will be sad and upset, and he will feel bad and he will feel stupid, and people like you will be mean, and write mean things about him, and pick on people like me who support him, calling us noobs, dillusional, fanatics. He doesnt represent me, so if he fails, I dont get angry because he's not fighting for me, or on my behalf...neither is he any kinda standard bearer for me. He cant dissapoint me like that.

I might still be critical, I might not aggree with everything he says and everything he does. I possibly wouldnt make the same decisions he does at times. So dont protray me as someone who thinks he is perfect...far, far from it...but I accept his failures and his annoyances as being part of who he is...you cant have the the complete package without the rough aswell as the smooth, the bad aswell as the good, the mistakes aswell as the success.

I never want him to retire...but I also respect his decision. Its up to him to decide when he wants to retire. If he were to lose again...and if as a result, they booted him from WEC...if he still wanted to fight, I would support that. If he were to lose and want to retire, I was be beside myself...but also I would support him...because if he is happy with retirement...then I want him to be happy...I would hope he might ping-pong a bit...so I might see him fight again...but that would be for a future.

If he wins, then I will be pleased for him, I will support him as he makes his journey to fight for the Title..again. If he wins...I might even tell some of those with mannerisms like yourself that THIS is why he shouldnt have retired when you all suggested, this is why he ISNT washed up and old.

I'm a fan. I hope to meet him in person later this year. I speak to him over email every so often. He knows who I am...and I know him, not in detail...but I am not a loon who rants about someone I've never had contact with. I'm not an obsessed stalker who just wants to upset him and harras him. I'm a loyal fan who loves him, I try in my own way to support him...and he has told me he appreciates the effort.

I hope perhaps you can understand :)

Neezar
01-25-2009, 11:22 PM
Jens usually performs best when he's under a certain ammount of stress..when things arent going to well...when he has demons to fight. He works best in a situation thats hopeless...in a situation thats against statistical probability...When people say he definiately cant...thats when he's most likely to do...when people assume that he will do well...and he's carefree..when there is little riding on it...he seems to perform less well.

I think his perfomance is enhanced by stress and a doubting crowd.



I disagree. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. (line from a song, lol) He has performed the best when he is at rock bottom and forgets to give a shyte; not necessarily when the odds are stacked against him. (Sometimes those have happened at the same time maybe.)


...and I want him to be happy, I want the best blessings GOD can possibly bestow...those usually come with a win


I hope that isn't ever true for me. :sad:





I might still be critical, I might not aggree with everything he says and everything he does. I possibly wouldnt make the same decisions he does at times. So dont protray me as someone who thinks he is perfect...far, far from it...but I accept his failures and his annoyances as being part of who he is...you cant have the the complete package without the rough aswell as the smooth, the bad aswell as the good, the mistakes aswell as the success.




That is what I have been trying to tell you for years! Thank goodness you finally got it. :w00t:




I'm a fan. I hope to meet him in person later this year. I speak to him over email every so often. He knows who I am...and I know him, not in detail...but I am not a loon who rants about someone I've never had contact with. I'm not an obsessed stalker who just wants to upset him and harras him. I'm a loyal fan who loves him, I try in my own way to support him...and he has told me he appreciates the effort.

I hope perhaps you can understand :)

Sooo, are you saying that were you a ranting loon before you had contact with him? :Whistle:


:laugh:

Tyburn
01-26-2009, 12:08 AM
1) I disagree. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. (line from a song, lol) He has performed the best when he is at rock bottom and forgets to give a shyte; not necessarily when the odds are stacked against him. (Sometimes those have happened at the same time maybe.)



2) I hope that isn't ever true for me. :sad:






3) That is what I have been trying to tell you for years! Thank goodness you finally got it. :w00t:





4) Sooo, are you saying that were you a ranting loon before you had contact with him? :Whistle:


:laugh:

1) I think that Lil Evil and Jens Pulver are two separate things. I think Jens Pulver could be considered like a Host, a guy who fights, he's not bad, but he's no BJ Penn...what you saw Verses Urijah Faber...that was 90% Jens Pulver.

Now Lil Evil is something different. Almost an internal persona, I dont think Jens Pulver has much control over Lil Evil...I think you saw Lil Evil last right after the end of Cub Swanson...THAT was Lil Evil, because the speech was directed as much to himself, as Cub Swanson. I think Lil Evil was created out of trauma...and I think the longer Jens Pulver lives the more he resolves his inner conflict...that inner conflict is the life blood of Lil Evil. One day, Jens Pulver may well lose the will to fight...in the aggressive manner of his past. I think Jens likes fighting aswell...but Lil Evil is...something different, whose growth isnt just dependant on fighting an opponent...if Jens Pulver ever finds true inner peace, it will spell a possible permanent death for Lil Evil.

I just didnt want to psycho-analyse quite so much hahahahaha

2) I care about you deeply aswell Denise. You and I have quite a history on here. I hope GOD blesses you aswell...but you dont quite fight in an octagon...so the winning thing doesnt quite apply. IF Pulver would be more blessed by losing...I'd have no problem with him losing...but that usually spells hatred and abandonment by people like Goat, and insitutions.

3) No there is a difference...I still believe he will win. Many, if they are honnest, dont believe. I dont really know where you stand...I dont really know if you just want him to win...or you believe he will...I am both :laugh:

4) I'm a loon aswell...but dont tell Jens that hahahahahahaahaha :laugh: I Kid, I Kid...I perfer to call myself idiosyncratic...and ultimately...I'm about as harmless as they come :ashamed:

Hughes_GOAT
01-26-2009, 04:40 AM
I'd have no problem with him losing...but that usually spells hatred and abandonment by people like Goat, and insitutions.



:laugh:

Neezar
01-26-2009, 12:11 PM
1)

I think that Lil Evil and Jens Pulver are two separate things. I think Jens ) Pulver could be considered like a Host, a guy who fights, he's not bad, but he's no BJ Penn...what you saw Verses Urijah Faber...that was 90% Jens Pulver.

Now Lil Evil is something different. Almost an internal persona, I dont think Jens Pulver has much control over Lil Evil...I think you saw Lil Evil last right after the end of Cub Swanson...THAT was Lil Evil, because the speech was directed as much to himself, as Cub Swanson. I think Lil Evil was created out of trauma...and I think the longer Jens Pulver lives the more he resolves his inner conflict...that inner conflict is the life blood of Lil Evil. One day, Jens Pulver may well lose the will to fight...in the aggressive manner of his past. I think Jens likes fighting aswell...but Lil Evil is...something different, whose growth isnt just dependant on fighting an opponent...if Jens Pulver ever finds true inner peace, it will spell a possible permanent death for Lil Evil.

I just didnt want to psycho-analyse quite so much hahahahaha

2) I care about you deeply aswell Denise. You and I have quite a history on here. I hope GOD blesses you aswell...but you dont quite fight in an octagon...so the winning thing doesnt quite apply. IF Pulver would be more blessed by losing...I'd have no problem with him losing...but that usually spells hatred and abandonment by people like Goat, and insitutions.



1 ) Dave, you do Jens Pulver no favors when you speak of him like this. The above may be appealing to you but isn't to the majority of normal people. And for the record, I disagree with your above analysis of Jens.

2) Maybe it is God's will for him to be abandoned by such things. It may be the best blessing he could hope for. Please don't try to put yourself in a position to judge what is best for Jens.

rearnakedchoke
01-26-2009, 02:40 PM
Man, poor Jens .. but like I said before, MMA is more than fighting ... It is time for Jens to hang up the gloves and just coach ... He says he wants to still fight, but if he were a race horse, they would have euthanized him already ... Jens, hang up the gloves and be put out to stud so you can teach these kids and one day coach a fighter to a championship ...

Tyburn
01-26-2009, 02:56 PM
Man, poor Jens .. but like I said before, MMA is more than fighting ... It is time for Jens to hang up the gloves and just coach ... He says he wants to still fight, but if he were a race horse, they would have euthanized him already ... Jens, hang up the gloves and be put out to stud so you can teach these kids and one day coach a fighter to a championship ...
He says on his website he doesnt know if he will fight again. :cry:

Blade
01-26-2009, 05:59 PM
He says on his website he doesnt know if he will fight again. :cry:


Good, Pulver's already 2 or 3 years past his sell-by date and starting to enter Ken Shamrock territory.

Crisco
01-26-2009, 06:24 PM
He needs to get a few wins. He keeps fighting dudes like fabre he shoot fight a few up and comers and get hot again.

Tyburn
01-26-2009, 08:00 PM
He needs to get a few wins. He keeps fighting dudes like fabre he shoot fight a few up and comers and get hot again.
:laugh: someone please give him a can to smush....Cub Swanson will do nicely again :wink:

Thats what I pointed out in my Blog...okay Jens has lost a few...but lets see WHO he has lost to...Joe Lauzon..well he was till recently a contender in the LW Division...with Penn, and the conflict of interests of Penn being his former mentor, he might have got there...he might still. He's headlining UFNs now.

Baby Jay Penn...Arse by name, fighter by Nature, possibly the best pure skilled fighter to have ever lived..FEW would beat him, and at Title Level Jens did...so its just one a piece there, but he's now reigning in the UFC LW and next week about to try and capture two belts at once

Urijah Faber, Twice...Well the guy never had a working up period. He's always a champion in his division. I dont know how good he is outside WEC Featherweight...but he's mastered that class, Pulver might have dropped two against him, but the first was a dramatic five round decision thats historic...and in the second until he lost, he was winning the round.

Leonard Garcia...about to fight for the Title...I think he'll get it, and I think He'll defend it from Faber...making him possibly the immediate future of that division.

So...if you LOOK at what he's done in context...its not as bad as it sounds on his record....he is a more senior fighter, he didnt have the amateur experience, he stretched himself for years early to compete at championship level outside his own division...and he's still putting up a fight against those considered p4p...

Thats how I look at it. He's always said he wants to earn his dues...perhaps its time to place him lower the card, fight the noobs and learn, build his way back up...if he had another three fights this year and won them all...do you follow?

Even Georges Saint Pierre had to start again from scratch after his first meeting with Hughes...its part of life...and I dont think Pulver would shy away from that...its really dependant on whether those incharge will give him the chance, and whether he can come to terms and push through this rocky patch.

Neezar
01-27-2009, 04:54 AM
I think that Lil Evil and Jens Pulver are two separate things. I think Jens Pulver could be considered like a Host, a guy who fights, he's not bad, but he's no BJ Penn...what you saw Verses Urijah Faber...that was 90% Jens Pulver.

Now Lil Evil is something different. Almost an internal persona, I dont think Jens Pulver has much control over Lil Evil...I think you saw Lil Evil last right after the end of Cub Swanson...THAT was Lil Evil, because the speech was directed as much to himself, as Cub Swanson. I think Lil Evil was created out of trauma...and I think the longer Jens Pulver lives the more he resolves his inner conflict...that inner conflict is the life blood of Lil Evil. One day, Jens Pulver may well lose the will to fight...in the aggressive manner of his past. I think Jens likes fighting aswell...but Lil Evil is...something different, whose growth isnt just dependant on fighting an opponent...if Jens Pulver ever finds true inner peace, it will spell a possible permanent death for Lil Evil.

I just didnt want to psycho-analyse quite so much hahahahaha



Well, your psychoanalysis really irks me. You are giving his trauma, his inner conflict, in essence his abuser all the credit for his accomplishments. And I think that is totally out of line. Jens didn't accomplish what he did because of his inner demons but in spite of them. Jens got where he did through heart and determination. Jens deserves all the credit for that. To imply that he won't be able to accomplish or achieve great things when he comes to terms with his inner conflict is degrading and down right disrespectful. Jens moved passed it and prevailed. Jens the man, not some persona, deserves all the credit for that.

Hughes_GOAT
01-27-2009, 07:45 AM
Well, your psychoanalysis really irks me. You are giving his trauma, his inner conflict, in essence his abuser all the credit for his accomplishments. And I think that is totally out of line. Jens didn't accomplish what he did because of his inner demons but in spite of them. Jens got where he did through heart and determination. Jens deserves all the credit for that. To imply that he won't be able to accomplish or achieve great things when he comes to terms with his inner conflict is degrading and down right disrespectful. Jens moved passed it and prevailed. Jens the man, not some persona, deserves all the credit for that.

psychoanalysis irks me:laugh:

Tyburn
01-27-2009, 01:42 PM
Well, your psychoanalysis really irks me. You are giving his trauma, his inner conflict, in essence his abuser all the credit for his accomplishments. And I think that is totally out of line. Jens didn't accomplish what he did because of his inner demons but in spite of them. Jens got where he did through heart and determination. Jens deserves all the credit for that. To imply that he won't be able to accomplish or achieve great things when he comes to terms with his inner conflict is degrading and down right disrespectful. Jens moved passed it and prevailed. Jens the man, not some persona, deserves all the credit for that.
No thats not what I'm doing at all. Lil Evil is not a demon of Jens, its the part of him who fights his oppressor. His abuser may have started conflicts that would have destroyed some people. But part of him fights those conflicts, not in order to possess them, but in order to control them, He tells us in the chapter entitled "Revelation" that there is no conquring on demons, because that allows the demons to possess you, thats how his Father went from Athlete to Abuser. ...and outside the cage Lil Evil WASNT such an effective part of Jens Psyche, Lil Evil was also self destructive, angry, hurt, and a general trouble maker! So rather then conquering his demons, Jens knows he will always have them and fights on a daily basis, not to irradicate them, but to cope with them, he calls this "Dance"

However, Lil Evil needs a turmoil to sort out, and battles to win. If there is no inner turmoil what use is there for a part of Jens Psyche to subconsciously battle?

I never said he wouldnt be able to accomplish great things without inner turmoil. I DID say that it might kill off a part of his persona developed specifically to fight inner turmoil. The fact you dont understand what I'm talking about is because you arent looking at this from a psychological point of view.

"Jens the man, not some persona" what do you think Jens the man is made of, what are we all made of? Personas, masks and defense mechanisms. Lil Evil was created as a defense mechanism, by the time he was given a name, he'd become a persona, he had his own character, he was a work ethic, he was an aggressive fighting style, Almost at points the "will" of Jens. he occasionally dropped the F'Bomb...READ Jens Pulvers blog...about the fact he swore at the end of his interview because he says he thought that was going on in his head, that the noise from the crowd brought out something which was going through his mind. This seems to raise the likelyhood that what I said about Pulvers words after the Swanson Fight were true.

Jens Pulver asked "I'm begining to Wonder whether I'm still Relevant" Lil Evil Replied "F It, I'm not done"

This is not at all degrading, everyone in the whole world uses masks, defense mechanism, reactions, et al in there everyday living...the fact he can be so honnest and write about, and show these things so vividly is what makes him so expressive...its what I find increadibly appealing

Think I'm wrong...what about the artical on WEC entitled "The Death of Lil Evil, the Ressurection of Jens Pulver" ?

“How can you be Lil’ Evil again? … You’ve got to get Lil’ Evil back.”

People say these kinds of things all the time to Jens Pulver and he doesn’t quite know how to respond. He could tell them the truth: That he hasn’t felt ‘Lil Evil’ lurking inside of him, burning to be unleashed, since late 2002. Lil’ Evil, you see, was more than just a cool-sounding nickname to Pulver, it was a full-fledged identity, it was the predominately destructive force that may have sabotaged and complicated his life outside of the cage, but made him a wrecking machine inside of it. Having little -- and consequently, virtually nothing at all to lose made him even more dangerous.

He had moved to Iowa in the late 1990’s to train with Pat Miletich’s team and had scant few possessions: two duffel bags filled with clothes and a bag filled with coins. From his debut in April 1999 – a first-round TKO where the other guy’s corner threw in the towel – until August 2002, the darkest space that dwelled inside of Pulver, overflowing with anger from a tormented childhood and a drunken, abusive father, catapulted him to a 14-2-1 mark in MMA. Pulver was a tornado, a ball of rage, and only the occasional heel hook or a toehold could stop him.

Anger, many elite fighters have testified, is not a particularly healthy or advantageous emotion inside of the cage. It clouds the mind, interferes with making sound judgments, wastes energy and can disrupt your fight strategy and lead to costly mistakes. Yet anger was a faithful ally to Pulver. Stepping into the cage with him, you weren’t an opponent, you were a soon-to-be-victim.

“I was a starving dog – what else was I going to do?” Pulver explained. “I wanted to knock everybody unconscious until I wasn’t starving any more. I used to have demons chasing me. I was mad, I was invincible and I was bulletproof. In the old days I was like, ‘You think you’re going to hit me – well I’m going to hit you six times and I’m going to hit you harder. You swing at me I’m going to hit you so hard you will never swing again. I’m going to embarrass you.”

And now, in 2009?

“The thing is, I just can’t get that mad in a fight no more,” he said. “I just can’t get that pissed off in a fight anymore. I don’t have that rip-your-head-off thing anymore.”

His record is a reflection of that diminished fury. Since January 2003, Pulver has been a .500 fighter, going 8-8. In his defense, he has never been finicky or discriminating about his opponents; he routinely fights the best in the business. Losing to top-tier fighters like B.J. Penn, Takanori Gomi, Hayato Sakurai, Urijah Faber, Leonard Garcia, Duane Ludwig and Joe Lauzon is nothing to be ashamed of, especially when you consider that the undersized Pulver fought most of his career at 155 pounds out of necessity, often giving up 20 or more pounds on fight night to his opponents. But it is how Pulver has lost over the past five years that has raised eyebrows: The banger with the crushing left hook has been knocked out or TKO’ed in six of those eight defeats.

When it comes to reinvigorating his career, and recapturing the form that made him a living MMA legend, the 34-year-old Pulver is running out of chances. Which is why Sunday’s rematch with Urijah Faber is Huge – yes, with a capital H. Lose, and Pulver will fall to 1-3 in the WEC, and invite even more criticism that perhaps this fast-evolving sport has passed him by. But if Pulver can turn back the clock, and somehow upset Faber, then suddenly a whole lot of people will undoubtedly entertain the prospect that, ‘He’s back.’

But if he is going to upend Faber, change is mandatory. Pulver would be ill-advised to simply stand and try to trade leather once again with Faber, who boasts far quicker hands and feet and can fire off 1-2 combinations and bolt out of harm’s way by the time Pulver tries to reciprocate. One blueprint for victory that intrigues Pulver was the plan executed by Mike Thomas Brown, who beat Faber by first-round TKO. Pulver has studied the fight and offered this analysis:

“What I’ve learned is that Brown just refused to get caught up in Urijah’s scramble game, while I just sat there and walked in front of Urijah and allowed him to back it up, clinch it up whenever he wanted to, run around, do this and do that,” Pulver said. “Brown

Neezar
01-27-2009, 02:44 PM
I never said he wouldnt be able to accomplish great things without inner turmoil. I DID say that it might kill off a part of his persona developed specifically to fight inner turmoil. The fact you dont understand what I'm talking about is because you arent looking at this from a psychological point of view.



Well, I don't know how you manage to make it sound so dirty. Jens does a much better job of saying it. :laugh:





Think I'm wrong...what about the artical on WEC entitled "The Death of Lil Evil, the Ressurection of Jens Pulver" ?

“How can you be Lil’ Evil again? … You’ve got to get Lil’ Evil back.”

People say these kinds of things all the time to Jens Pulver and he doesn’t quite know how to respond. He could tell them the truth: That he hasn’t felt ‘Lil Evil’ lurking inside of him, burning to be unleashed, since late 2002. Lil’ Evil, you see, was more than just a cool-sounding nickname to Pulver, it was a full-fledged identity, it was the predominately destructive force that may have sabotaged and complicated his life outside of the cage, but made him a wrecking machine inside of it. Having little -- and consequently, virtually nothing at all to lose made him even more dangerous. (Well, I was right about that, lol)


“The thing is, I just can’t get that mad in a fight no more,” he said. “I just can’t get that pissed off in a fight anymore. I don’t have that rip-your-head-off thing anymore.”

Well bless his heart. He is admitting right here that he just don't have it anymore. Why torture yourself then? :unsure-1:

Neezar
01-27-2009, 02:46 PM
Btw, a true friend should slap Jens in the face and convince him that I am right and he is wrong! If he believes it was the demons doing that then yes he is doomed! I still believe that he accomplished those things in spite of his past and could do this without the anger. Someone just has to convince him of that and show him the way. :)

p.s. Maybe I will email him and tell him so.

Tyburn
01-27-2009, 05:48 PM
Btw, a true friend should slap Jens in the face and convince him that I am right and he is wrong! If he believes it was the demons doing that then yes he is doomed! I still believe that he accomplished those things in spite of his past and could do this without the anger. Someone just has to convince him of that and show him the way. :)

p.s. Maybe I will email him and tell him so.
He doesnt believe it was the demons doing that. He believes it was Lil Evil doing that BUT, Lil Evil NEEDS demons to fight in order to stay alive.

People told him he couldnt become a World Champion...He Has..What I dont think you understand is that a perfectly peaceful Jens would have NEITHER Demons, NOR Lil Evil. He's begining to discover that those demons were wrong, and he's begining to accomplish all they said he couldnt, at that point...they subdue, when they subdue, Lil Evil doesnt have to dance...

I dont think you understand that he thinks of Lil Evil as being something other then himself, I dont think you understand how much trouble Lil Evil caused him in dancing and his life outside of the sport, I dont think you understand that Lil Evil is not a demon, he's the part of Jens who fights the demons, and the demons are finally begining to die off. They said he couldnt, he prooved he could, the demons die, Lil Evil has noone left to fight inside, finally Jens Pulver finds peace.

Having his own family I think is a big part of what has mellowed him, having achieved the Title, and defended against Baby Jay Penn is another thing. Those achievements werent the work of his demons, they were Jens Pulver using Lil Evil in a directed manner within competition.

This isnt rocket Science Denise :laugh:

How do you know what is best for Jens :huh: dont you think its his decision, I very, very much doubt he will listen to someone who tries to force their views onto him, especially when they dont appear well versed in what makes him tick in the first place :mellow:

Tyburn
01-27-2009, 06:05 PM
Why torture yourself then? :unsure-1:

Because Lil Evil doesnt want to die :sad: Jens has spoken about going to counselling sessions...he's spoken about controlling both the demons, and more importantly, Lil Evil, who has direct contact with them on a subconscious level

I dont think Lil Evil will ever die completely, because I dont think his Demons will ever leave him completely...but a domesticated Lil Evil with the demons on mute, is kinda likely before he hits 40 IMHO

I find them both fascinating :laugh:

Neezar
01-27-2009, 06:19 PM
He doesnt believe it was the demons doing that. He believes it was Lil Evil doing that BUT, Lil Evil NEEDS demons to fight in order to stay alive.

People told him he couldnt become a World Champion...He Has..What I dont think you understand is that a perfectly peaceful Jens would have NEITHER Demons, NOR Lil Evil. He's begining to discover that those demons were wrong, and he's begining to accomplish all they said he couldnt, at that point...they subdue, when they subdue, Lil Evil doesnt have to dance...

I dont think you understand that he thinks of Lil Evil as being something other then himself, I dont think you understand how much trouble Lil Evil caused him in dancing and his life outside of the sport, I dont think you understand that Lil Evil is not a demon, he's the part of Jens who fights the demons, and the demons are finally begining to die off. They said he couldnt, he prooved he could, the demons die, Lil Evil has noone left to fight inside, finally Jens Pulver finds peace.

Having his own family I think is a big part of what has mellowed him, having achieved the Title, and defended against Baby Jay Penn is another thing. Those achievements werent the work of his demons, they were Jens Pulver using Lil Evil in a directed manner within competition.

This isnt rocket Science Denise :laugh:

(No, it certainly isn't. It is Dave-ku aka bullshyte :laugh: )

How do you know what is best for Jens :huh: (didn't say that I did, but I can give it a shot:ninja: ) dont you think its his decision, I very, very much doubt he will listen to someone who tries to force their views onto him, especially when they dont appear well versed in what makes him tick in the first place :mellow:

Maybe someday we will find out about that. :w00t:


Because Lil Evil doesnt want to die :sad: Jens has spoken about going to counselling sessions...he's spoken about controlling both the demons, and more importantly, Lil Evil, who has direct contact with them on a subconscious level (this is kinda what I mean when you make him sound like a freak show. )
I dont think Lil Evil will ever die completely, because I dont think his Demons will ever leave him completely...but a domesticated Lil Evil with the demons on mute, is kinda likely before he hits 40 IMHO

I find them both fascinating :laugh:


Jens won't need counseling once he realizes that all of this is a crock of shyte. Once he realizes that he can control/harness that thing inside him he will do fine. We all have that thing in us that we fight with. It is when you try to psychoanalyze it to death instead of just managing it, that is when it gets to be a problem. It is only an issue if you make it one. Jens needs to know that you don't have to understand a bull to grab it by the horns and ride that sucka!

Tyburn
01-27-2009, 06:31 PM
People still love him

Less then two days later he has more then 70 replies to a post he made AFTER he lost

FEW get that sort of response SO quickly to a blog.

As for Psychoanalysis...your just not understanding what I'm saying at all are you...I think we should call it quits right hear before you start getting uber irked :scared0015:

Just accept...I am right :laugh:

Neezar
01-27-2009, 07:47 PM
People still love him

Less then two days later he has more then 70 replies to a post he made AFTER he lost

FEW get that sort of response SO quickly to a blog.

As for Psychoanalysis...your just not understanding what I'm saying at all are you...I think we should call it quits right hear before you start getting uber irked :scared0015:

Just accept...I am right :laugh:

If that is some sort of reverse-psychology way of conceding then I accept your offer of surrender. :biggrin-1:




:laugh:

Tyburn
01-28-2009, 10:25 PM
If that is some sort of reverse-psychology way of conceding then I accept your offer of surrender. :biggrin-1:




:laugh:

I'm not surrendering...I've already won and gone home :rolleyes:

:laugh: