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Buzzard
11-13-2009, 02:43 AM
Interview with Carrie Prejean when it is found out she sent a sex tape of herself to her boyfriend when she was 17.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33823079/ns/today-today_people

Should she be charged with distributing child pornography or have to register as a sex offender as others have?

I'd like to hear what others think about it. If you think she shouldn't, should the others who have been charged and convicted of it have their charges dropped?

Vizion
11-13-2009, 02:50 AM
If she sent it (exclusively) to her boyfriend it does not fall under the same penalty. As for the other cases, its really a case by case basis.

I was just thinking about this story.

Why does this story matter?

At all?

Who gives?

J.B.
11-13-2009, 02:53 AM
Too vague.... who are the "others"?

I was actually just about to say it's a case by case basis but then Vizion came in and beat me to the punch

mscomc
11-13-2009, 03:05 AM
Interview with Carrie Prejean when it is found out she sent a sex tape of herself to her boyfriend when she was 17.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33823079/ns/today-today_people

Should she be charged with distributing child pornography or have to register as a sex offender as others have?

I'd like to hear what others think about it. If you think she shouldn't, should the others who have been charged and convicted of it have their charges dropped?

Well, I dont think the issue surrounding her celebrity is a big issue, i think its the more underlying problem of what the hell is a 17 yr old doing making a sex tape and the shuttling it around?

I mean, a lot of kids these days have NO concept of the consequences behind their actions, its unreal. This tape is going to be on the internet forever now. Her kids could see it, her grandkids, nieces, nephews etc etc etc.

There has to be some kind of law, or penalty to stop kids from doing these kinds of things...just my oppinion. I am not saying jail them, but there has to be something that could be done. I know the law hasnt caught up with technology yet, but geeze. When i was in highschool (i know im younger than most of you, im almost 25), girls tried hard not to be labeled a whore....at my younger sisters highschool, whenever i go to pick her up, it seems as if the girls are competing for the title now!!! my god, how they dress and stuff:sad:

So in LONG (sorry lol), i think she should have some charge brought against her. But anyone who viewed it or bought it should still be charged.

Spiritwalker
11-13-2009, 03:26 AM
Pretty much a non-issue for me.. she was 17.. pretty much an adult..so kinda hard to call her a child.. it wasn't interesting to me when the bozo said she was dumb for speaking her mind when she was asked about same sex marriages... agree or disagree.. she spoke her mind.. and I have to get behind that. Seems like people are just out to get her.. but she seems to have also been a tool for "not fulfilling her obligations"..

don't really care.

J.B.
11-13-2009, 03:30 AM
Well, I dont think the issue surrounding her celebrity is a big issue, i think its the more underlying problem of what the hell is a 17 yr old doing making a sex tape and the shuttling it around?

I mean, a lot of kids these days have NO concept of the consequences behind their actions, its unreal. This tape is going to be on the internet forever now. Her kids could see it, her grandkids, nieces, nephews etc etc etc.

There has to be some kind of law, or penalty to stop kids from doing these kinds of things...just my oppinion. I am not saying jail them, but there has to be something that could be done. I know the law hasnt caught up with technology yet, but geeze. When i was in highschool (i know im younger than most of you, im almost 25), girls tried hard not to be labeled a whore....at my younger sisters highschool, whenever i go to pick her up, it seems as if the girls are competing for the title now!!! my god, how they dress and stuff:sad:

So in LONG (sorry lol), i think she should have some charge brought against her. But anyone who viewed it or bought it should still be charged.


Man, that is a slippery slope you are painting there at the end...

I agree with you that these times are very different, but what kind of law do you think could actually stop this?

mscomc
11-13-2009, 03:58 AM
Man, that is a slippery slope you are painting there at the end...

I agree with you that these times are very different, but what kind of law do you think could actually stop this?

:sad: i agree you with you man, that is a slippery slope. Maybe i worded that wrong. Im not a lawyer, so the case law is something i am not to familiar with. I would think some kind of distribution charge or something, or some kind of fine that just says "hey, wake up!!!!".......but meh, maybe I am just on a bit of rant.

Buzzard
11-13-2009, 04:50 AM
If she sent it (exclusively) to her boyfriend it does not fall under the same penalty.

Why not? Isn't sending nude pictures or videotapes of someone under 18 considered child pornography whether or not the sender is under the age of 18?


As for the other cases, its really a case by case basis.

What makes her case different than some of the others accused and convicted of the same or similar thing? I will link to 2 hits I got off of google.


I was just thinking about this story.

Why does this story matter?

At all?

Who gives?

I think it is a story because she has already been in the news for losing her title of Miss California and the other pageant due in part for failing to reveal that she had posed nude or semi-nude before; a violation of the pageant rules. It kind of soils the goody goody image that she had painted for herself. Who here would want their child to send nude or semi-nude images of themselves to others while underage? I am guessing/hoping the answer is no one.

Too vague.... who are the "others"?

I was actually just about to say it's a case by case basis but then Vizion came in and beat me to the punch

I'll post some links at the end. These are just the first 2 links from my google search, there are probably many more.

Man, that is a slippery slope you are painting there at the end...

I agree with you that these times are very different, but what kind of law do you think could actually stop this?

There are actually laws in place I believe. I know that there are laws against sending and receiving child pornography; I believe that it falls in there somewhere.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/07/sexting.busts/index.html

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/teens-send-nude-pics-to-one-other-face-kiddie-porn-charges.ars

Play The Man
11-13-2009, 08:16 AM
Buzzard, isn't this girl low-hanging fruit for you and other liberals? I admit that this young woman is trying to milk her 15 minutes of fame for all it is worth and she has exhibited hypocrisy. But, for crying out loud, she is a beauty pageant contestant. She isn't a politician or a minister. She gave a wishy-washy answer to a very political question at a beauty pageant . . . a beauty pageant!! Why are they smashing a mosquito with a sledgehammer? Leave the poor girl alone and let her fade away into a normal life.

Buzzard
11-13-2009, 08:34 AM
Buzzard, isn't this girl low-hanging fruit for you and other liberals? I admit that this young woman is trying to milk her 15 minutes of fame for all it is worth and she has exhibited hypocrisy. But, for crying out loud, she is a beauty pageant contestant. She isn't a politician or a minister. She gave a wishy-washy answer to a very political question at a beauty pageant . . . a beauty pageant!! Why are they smashing a mosquito with a sledgehammer? Leave the poor girl alone and let her fade away into a normal life.

If she weren't trying to stay in the spotlight I am sure she would fade away. I'm a centrist actually and not a liberal.

I find it amusing that the revelation of this sex tape comes at a time when she is promoting her book. Her interview on Larry King showed her for what she is, a spoiled brat. A good looking spoiled brat, but a brat nonetheless. She is such a hypocrite and it's quite amusing watching her defend herself when she brought all of it on herself, the sex tape and the nude/semi-nude modeling and then screams foul and sues.

Spiritwalker
11-13-2009, 12:52 PM
if you are referring to her answer about same sex marriages, I don't find that to be "wishy washy" at all.

Agree or disagree.. she said what she belived and was persecuted for it.

If it was not that, what did she say that was so "wish washy"?

mscomc
11-13-2009, 07:01 PM
if you are referring to her answer about same sex marriages, I don't find that to be "wishy washy" at all.

Agree or disagree.. she said what she belived and was persecuted for it.

If it was not that, what did she say that was so "wish washy"?

I think I know what you are saying, but there have to be some kind of limits on saying what you beleive....

I mean you cant just say "I beleive all blacks and latinos are evil and should be shipped back to mexico and africa".......

Buzzard
11-13-2009, 07:03 PM
if you are referring to her answer about same sex marriages, I don't find that to be "wishy washy" at all.

Agree or disagree.. she said what she belived and was persecuted for it.

If it was not that, what did she say that was so "wish washy"?

In this thread I don't recall ever calling her wish-washy. And no, I wasn't talking about her pageant answer. I think she is bringing the things on herself, she doesn't seem to possess the good moral judgment that she preaches/preached about. Boob implants, sex tape, nude/semi-nude modeling, yeah, the poster child for good morals.

Note: I don't think boob implants show a lack of morals.

Play The Man
11-13-2009, 07:36 PM
if you are referring to her answer about same sex marriages, I don't find that to be "wishy washy" at all.

Agree or disagree.. she said what she belived and was persecuted for it.

If it was not that, what did she say that was so "wish washy"?

This is her answer to the question:

"Well I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one way or the other. We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage. And, you know what, in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, no offense to anybody out there. But thatís how I was raised and I believe that it should be between a man and a woman."

In the first two sentences she says that it is "great" that you can choose same-sex marriage. Subsequently, she says it should be between a man and a woman. She was trying not to offend people.

It would have been more diplomatic for me to say that she was being diplomatic; however, I didn't want to be wishy-washy, so I called her answer wishy-washy.

Play The Man
11-13-2009, 07:37 PM
In this thread I don't recall ever calling her wish-washy. And no, I wasn't talking about her pageant answer. I think she is bringing the things on herself, she doesn't seem to possess the good moral judgment that she preaches/preached about. Boob implants, sex tape, nude/semi-nude modeling, yeah, the poster child for good morals.

Note: I don't think boob implants show a lack of morals.

Buzzard, I think SpiritWalker was addressing me with the wishy-washy comment.

Buzzard
11-13-2009, 07:44 PM
Buzzard, I think SpiritWalker was addressing me with the wishy-washy comment.

Oops. As Emily Litella would say, never mind.

Play The Man
11-13-2009, 07:45 PM
If she weren't trying to stay in the spotlight I am sure she would fade away. I'm a centrist actually and not a liberal.

I find it amusing that the revelation of this sex tape comes at a time when she is promoting her book. Her interview on Larry King showed her for what she is, a spoiled brat. A good looking spoiled brat, but a brat nonetheless. She is such a hypocrite and it's quite amusing watching her defend herself when she brought all of it on herself, the sex tape and the nude/semi-nude modeling and then screams foul and sues.

Yes, I agree, her behavior has been wrong. Give her a break. When that tape is released - and you know it will be released - I wouldn't be surprised if they find her dead from a suicide from an overdose of pills. She is a young, foolish woman with very poor judgment. She has been humiliated. It is time to back off. We all get the message - if you speak-up against the liberal establishment, you will be taken down.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
11-13-2009, 08:01 PM
We all get the message - if you speak-up against the liberal establishment, you will be taken down.

And thats the message they want to make sure we all understand loud and clear! On a side note I didn't know it was against the law for a 17 yo to send such things of themselves! Not that I approve of such things! However if She hadn't of said what She did we would of never known about her moral Failure and She probably would still have the crown!

Bonnie
11-13-2009, 08:11 PM
They've been trying to bring her down since she gave her answer to that question at the pageant. That's what got me, she was asked a question (by a gay guy) that was obviously (to me) a trap for anyone who wasn't going to answer, "Yay for Gays!" He didn't like her answer so he bashes her on his blog and everyone (including the media) start bashing her. She didn't give the "politically correct" answer. I do think she has been dumped on for that. :angry:

Regarding this sex tape: 1) she should have been honest about it up front with the pageant people (but they never are :wink:) and 2) she shouldn't represent herself as one thing when she knows there is something out there to the contrary that can come back to bite her on the butt.

Her and the rest of these girls doing stuff like this, sexting and Girls Gone Wild, are going to learn the hard way that "yes, this type of stuff does matter and can affect your future". I don't think this was a good time for her to come out with a book. Oh, and yeah, never ever bash "The Donald", saint that he is :rolleyes:, because for sure you're going to get it from all his friends in the media (Barbara WaWa and Larry King, etc...). :wink: Didn't she learn anything from Rosie. :laugh:

Crisco
11-13-2009, 08:37 PM
I was not having sex


Fine... but he sure as heck was.

Spiritwalker
11-13-2009, 08:42 PM
Now I want to see the video. PM link? :wink:

Crisco
11-13-2009, 08:44 PM
Now I want to see the video. PM link? :wink:

No i dont have it lol plus it's illegal.

I've never seen it i was just making a joke.

Spiritwalker
11-13-2009, 08:54 PM
No i dont have it lol plus it's illegal.

I've never seen it i was just making a joke.


She made it sound like is was a "solo" routine.. now I am curious..2 people or one?

Crisco
11-13-2009, 09:02 PM
OOHH now I get it.


How is a video of you playing with yourself a sex tape?


That is not sex.

rearnakedchoke
11-13-2009, 09:32 PM
I think I know what you are saying, but there have to be some kind of limits on saying what you beleive....

I mean you cant just say "I beleive all blacks and latinos are evil and should be shipped back to mexico and africa".......

Thanks for the advice .. i have been saying this for years, but now i know i can't ...

mscomc
11-14-2009, 01:23 AM
Thanks for the advice .. i have been saying this for years, but now i know i can't ...

:laugh:

happy to help sir....

I feel like, if i can help just one person, that my efforts will all be worth while...:)

Buzzard
11-14-2009, 01:45 AM
Fine... but he sure as heck was.

lolz

Tyburn
11-15-2009, 09:52 PM
Interview with Carrie Prejean

who :huh: never heard of her :blink:

Rev
11-15-2009, 10:46 PM
Aint it funny how some people jump on the chance to beat on someone who calls themself a "conservative", for being a hypocrite and at the same time praise a liberal who is just as much a hypocrite or more and has the abillity to cause way more damage than a wanna be beauty queen.

:cry:I'm not liberal:cry:
:rolleyes:gimmee a break, we can find hypocrites on both sides everyday everywhere, but we dont site them because they dont matter unless you just want something to stir up.:Whistle:

NateR
11-15-2009, 10:51 PM
I think I know what you are saying, but there have to be some kind of limits on saying what you beleive....

I mean you cant just say "I beleive all blacks and latinos are evil and should be shipped back to mexico and africa".......

Actually, this is completely contrary to Freedom of Speech. If someone wants to say that all blacks and latinos are evil, then they are fully within their rights as Americans to state that opinion. HOWEVER, they must be fully prepared to suffer the consequences of those words.

But, you're a Canadian, so I wouldn't expect you to understand the concept of "freedom." :tongue0011::wink:

NateR
11-15-2009, 10:58 PM
Aint it funny how some people jump on the chance to beat on someone who calls themself a "conservative", for being a hypocrite and at the same time praise a liberal who is just as much a hypocrite or more and has the abillity to cause way more damage than a wanna be beauty queen.

:cry:I'm not liberal:cry:
:rolleyes:gimmee a break, we can find hypocrites on both sides everyday everywhere, but we dont site them because they dont matter unless you just want something to stir up.:Whistle:

I agree, this entire thread is just stirring the pot against a conservative girl. Bill Clinton had sex with an intern inside the Oval Office but that's none of our business. Michael Jackson molested young boys, but he was a talented performer so all is forgiven. Blago's corruption is nearly bottomless, but no Conservatives on the board are claiming that this man represents all Democrats.

However, this girl gives an unpopular answer to a powder keg issue (of which, I'm under the suspicion that the question was only asked as a political litmus test, because it has absolutely nothing to do with winning a beauty pageant), and suddenly every detail of her personal life is up for scrutiny and it's open season on her character.

Rev
11-15-2009, 11:10 PM
LOL. Aint it funny how all the liberals know what the conservatives are saying and doing but the conservatives have no clue whats going on on the Clinton News Network (CNN). Just goes to show that they just want to fight and argue, not fix anything.

mscomc
11-15-2009, 11:47 PM
I agree, this entire thread is just stirring the pot against a conservative girl. Bill Clinton had sex with an intern inside the Oval Office but that's none of our business. Michael Jackson molested young boys, but he was a talented performer so all is forgiven. Blago's corruption is nearly bottomless, but no Conservatives on the board are claiming that this man represents all Democrats.

However, this girl gives an unpopular answer to a powder keg issue (of which, I'm under the suspicion that the question was only asked as a political litmus test, because it has absolutely nothing to do with winning a beauty pageant), and suddenly every detail of her personal life is up for scrutiny and it's open season on her character.

Finally, i thought you would never see it our way.......:laugh:

mscomc
11-15-2009, 11:50 PM
Actually, this is completely contrary to Freedom of Speech. If someone wants to say that all blacks and latinos are evil, then they are fully within their rights as Americans to state that opinion. HOWEVER, they must be fully prepared to suffer the consequences of those words.

But, you're a Canadian, so I wouldn't expect you to understand the concept of "freedom." :tongue0011::wink:

Yeah, your are right. That was the point i was trying to make, i just should have said it better. Of course you CAN say that, but there are going to be consequences. What i was trying to say is that, such a consequence by saying the aformentioned statement would probably enough to make most people realize that they should not say such things...if that makes more sense.

And about your canadian comment: "well, i may disagree with your comments sir, but i will defend to the death your right to say them (from family guy)" :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Spiritwalker
11-16-2009, 02:41 AM
I agree, this entire thread is just stirring the pot against a conservative girl. Bill Clinton had sex with an intern inside the Oval Office but that's none of our business. Michael Jackson molested young boys, but he was a talented performer so all is forgiven. Blago's corruption is nearly bottomless, but no Conservatives on the board are claiming that this man represents all Democrats.

However, this girl gives an unpopular answer to a powder keg issue (of which, I'm under the suspicion that the question was only asked as a political litmus test, because it has absolutely nothing to do with winning a beauty pageant), and suddenly every detail of her personal life is up for scrutiny and it's open season on her character.

Well Said!!

mscomc
11-16-2009, 02:54 AM
I agree, this entire thread is just stirring the pot against a conservative girl. Bill Clinton had sex with an intern inside the Oval Office but that's none of our business. Michael Jackson molested young boys, but he was a talented performer so all is forgiven. Blago's corruption is nearly bottomless, but no Conservatives on the board are claiming that this man represents all Democrats.

However, this girl gives an unpopular answer to a powder keg issue (of which, I'm under the suspicion that the question was only asked as a political litmus test, because it has absolutely nothing to do with winning a beauty pageant), and suddenly every detail of her personal life is up for scrutiny and it's open season on her character.

eh eh eh :talktothehand:....he was never convicted in a court of law :wink:

que
11-16-2009, 04:56 AM
eh eh eh :talktothehand:....he was never convicted in a court of law :wink:


yeah, i was just about to say, jackson was never convicted of those accusations. for all we know, those kids and their parents made up bullcrap stories in a attempt to get millions out of a millionaire. happens every day. but who knows.

County Mike
11-16-2009, 12:42 PM
Damn tabloids won't even let us distribute our sex tapes without giving us a bunch of crap for it.