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snakerattle79
11-10-2009, 12:04 PM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-fedor10-2009nov10,0,2976507.story

A heavyweight fight between Fedor Emelianenko and Brock Lesnar is the bout most mixed martial arts fans want to see, but contractual obligations and medical problems are likely to prevent a showdown between the two for another year, Emelianenko's camp said Monday.

Emelianenko survived a cut nose Saturday to retain his unofficial standing as the top MMA heavyweight in the world by defeating Brett Rogers in a second-round technical knockout. He closed the victory with a stand-up, right-handed punch, then pounced on Rogers to deliver a left-right combination on the canvas before the referee ended the fight.

Emelianenko-Rogers headlined CBS' "Saturday Night Fights" card of four bouts promoted by Strikeforce/M-1, with a near-capacity crowd of 11,500 filling the Sears Centre near Chicago.

The TV ratings are not final, but early numbers show the Strikeforce fights drew at least 3.8 million viewers, and a 267% increase in the number of males aged 18-34 who usually tune in for Saturday night programming, CBS said.

Lesnar, with a record of 4-1, is heavyweight champion of the rival, and more dominant, Ultimate Fighting Championship. A few months ago, UFC failed to reach a deal with Emelianenko for multiple fights.

Scott Coker, Strikeforce chief executive, said because Saturday's fights delivered "those 18-34 male [viewership] numbers in a big way," CBS will televise future cards. Emelianenko earned $400,000 on Saturday night. A CBS spokesman said no decision has been made on whether the network would telecast another Strikeforce card, although Saturday's bouts drew new viewers to the network.

Yet, Dana White, president of UFC, called the Strikeforce's overall ratings Saturday a disappointment.

"CBS would be out of their mind to put that rinky-dink [Strikeforce] . . . on the air again . . . and without that backing, [promoters] won't have the money to pay [Emelianenko]."

But Emelianenko (31-1-1) still owes Strikeforce at least two more fights, possibly more with options, Coker said.

The Russian heavyweight agreed to a Strikeforce deal when his promotional company, M-1 Global, failed to reach agreement with UFC. The Emelianenko negotiations collapsed, in part, because UFC rejected M-1's push to co-promote an Emelianenko event.

After those talks ended, UFC announced a Lesnar fight against UFC contender Shane Carwin scheduled for Nov. 21. But Lesnar became ill and was diagnosed with mononucleosis, causing an indefinite delay of the Carwin bout.

Emelianenko, 33, also is dealing with health issues. He suffered a fracture and tendon damage in his left thumb, and a fractured nose in the Rogers fight, Coker said. Emelianenko stopped in Los Angeles on Monday to be treated for the injuries.

"[The hand injury] could've been from that blow when he had Brett on the mat at the end," Coker said. "We're hearing he could be out for four to six months."

Coker will use Emelianenko's layoff to boost name recognition in the U.S. of Strikeforce's heavyweight champion, Alistair Overeem, 29, an MMA veteran with a 31-11 record that includes losses to former UFC light-heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell and current UFC contender Mauricio "Shogun" Rua.

England's Overeem will headline a Strikeforce card on Showtime early next year, and he is the favorite to be Emelianenko's next foe, Coker said.

Meanwhile, public clamor for an Emelianenko-Lesnar bout is being noticed by promoters.

Jerry Millen, M-1 vice president, said Emelianenko is free to fight Lesnar if UFC drops its demands regarding co-promotion. Millen said the more-experienced Emelianenko would "smash" Lesnar, a former college wrestling champion and World Wrestling Entertainment performer whose "ranking looks manufactured."

Added Millen: "Fedor's not ducking anybody. If UFC wants to prove it has the best fighters, step up and co-promote. Fedor just wants to be treated fairly. The UFC business model is to own the souls of their fighters. Fedor doesn't have to do that, and if the fans scream loudly enough, we can make that happen."

UFC's White countered that a CBS retreat could cause Emelianenko to realize the UFC is where the big money is. White said he'd be happy to extend a contract to Emelianenko to prove UFC has the world's best heavyweight.

"The guy just got his face smashed in by Brett Rogers. Do you know what Brock or [UFC heavyweights] Frank Mir and Cain Velasquez would do to Brett Rogers?" White said. "It's time to bring this guy [Fedor] in, to see Brock Lesnar smash his head."

County Mike
11-10-2009, 01:21 PM
I love all the schoolyard insults between Dana and Coker.

CAVEMAN
11-10-2009, 02:14 PM
Dana is crying "sour grapes" again! I believe Dana only wants to sign Fedor to a multi-fight deal because deep down he knows Fedor is capable of coming in on a one fight deal and taking that HW belt! What a blow to Dana's ego would that be?

eric84
11-10-2009, 02:50 PM
Dana is crying "sour grapes" again! I believe Dana only wants to sign Fedor to a multi-fight deal because deep down he knows Fedor is capable of coming in on a one fight deal and taking that HW belt! What a blow to Dana's ego would that be?

Of course Dana knows Fedor could do that, he is a businessman and is trying to get a good deal. I wasn't impressed by Fedor's performance at all, he seemed slowly and not what he usually is. Hearing Fedor got paid 400,000 I was suprised, I figured he would have been paid more, but not sure how much he gets for the co-promotion. Dana would be stupid to co-promote with M1, they don't need Fedor, infact there are people that would draw higher ratings than him to fight lesnar, since he isn't widely known yet in the US.

County Mike
11-10-2009, 02:56 PM
I would love to see Fedor in the UFC, but I don't blame Dana for not co-promoting either. The UFC will be popular with or without Fedor. Dana would be crazy to give any additional rights to the M1 people. Offering big money is all he should do. If the money alone isn't enough for them, too bad. People will buy UFC PPVs either way.

Spiritwalker
11-10-2009, 03:41 PM
I would love to see Fedor in the UFC, but I don't blame Dana for not co-promoting either. The UFC will be popular with or without Fedor. Dana would be crazy to give any additional rights to the M1 people. Offering big money is all he should do. If the money alone isn't enough for them, too bad. People will buy UFC PPVs either way.


QFT!

Bonnie
11-10-2009, 04:21 PM
Dana is crying "sour grapes" again! I believe Dana only wants to sign Fedor to a multi-fight deal because deep down he knows Fedor is capable of coming in on a one fight deal and taking that HW belt! What a blow to Dana's ego would that be?

I think it sticks in Dana's craw that he hasn't been able to lure Fedor. I don't think he's used to the word "No". :laugh:

Bonnie
11-10-2009, 04:26 PM
I love all the schoolyard insults between Dana and Coker.

"Rinky-dink" :laugh:

J.B.
11-10-2009, 05:56 PM
I would love to see Fedor in the UFC, but I don't blame Dana for not co-promoting either. The UFC will be popular with or without Fedor. Dana would be crazy to give any additional rights to the M1 people. Offering big money is all he should do. If the money alone isn't enough for them, too bad. People will buy UFC PPVs either way.

Yeah, but you can't blame Fedor either. The UFC may sell PPV's anyway, but you can guarantee that putting Fedor on a card would give them a huge increase, especially after all this hype in the press. Besides, M-1 was willing to put up half of the money it cost to organize and promote any fight with Fedor.

What happens in 10 or 15 years when fighters really get wise to the unfair practices of Zuffa, and they realize they can make more money in other avenues? The UFC will have a hard time selling PPV's with no big name fighters. The UFC has the best product in MMA, there is no doubt about that, but I think the litmus test in this situation was Boxing. Eventually, the fighters will want to be paid a lot better than they are now.

rearnakedchoke
11-10-2009, 06:05 PM
Yeah, but you can't blame Fedor either. The UFC may sell PPV's anyway, but you can guarantee that putting Fedor on a card would give them a huge increase, especially after all this hype in the press. Besides, M-1 was willing to put up half of the money it cost to organize and promote any fight with Fedor.

What happens in 10 or 15 years when fighters really get wise to the unfair practices of Zuffa, and they realize they can make more money in other avenues? The UFC will have a hard time selling PPV's with no big name fighters. The UFC has the best product in MMA, there is no doubt about that, but I think the litmus test in this situation was Boxing. Eventually, the fighters will want to be paid a lot better than they are now.

that is why the UFC won't budge on the co-promotion .. they know that if they do it with fedor, it will cause other big names (anderson, gsp, lesnar) to think, hey if fedor can do it, why can't i ... i doubt we will see the ufc bend to fedor .. too bad, i would like to see him and lesnar .. i think he beats lesnar, but just to do it .. right now, all people can do is argue about who would win ...

J.B.
11-10-2009, 06:09 PM
that is why the UFC won't budge on the co-promotion .. they know that if they do it with fedor, it will cause other big names (anderson, gsp, lesnar) to think, hey if fedor can do it, why can't i ... i doubt we will see the ufc bend to fedor .. too bad, i would like to see him and lesnar .. i think he beats lesnar, but just to do it .. right now, all people can do is argue about who would win ...

Right, but eventually they will have to bend. It might now be now, but down the road I think it is inevitable.

rearnakedchoke
11-10-2009, 06:28 PM
Right, but eventually they will have to bend. It might now be now, but down the road I think it is inevitable.

yeah, it is inevitable ... might as well be to the best fighter in mma ...

dana is feeling the crunch and we'll see how he handles it ...

CAVEMAN
11-10-2009, 07:15 PM
Of course Dana knows Fedor could do that, he is a businessman and is trying to get a good deal. I wasn't impressed by Fedor's performance at all, he seemed slowly and not what he usually is. Hearing Fedor got paid 400,000 I was suprised, I figured he would have been paid more, but not sure how much he gets for the co-promotion. Dana would be stupid to co-promote with M1, they don't need Fedor, infact there are people that would draw higher ratings than him to fight lesnar, since he isn't widely known yet in the US.

What fight were you watching? Even Rogers after the fight, commented about how fast and loose Fedor was!

CAVEMAN
11-10-2009, 07:17 PM
If the UFC wants Fedor, they need to do it in the next year or 2. Fedor is what, 33 or 34? Not too many years left, probably........

atomdanger
11-10-2009, 07:27 PM
"The guy just got his face smashed in by Brett Rogers. Do you know what Brock or [UFC heavyweights] Frank Mir and Cain Velasquez would do to Brett Rogers?" White said. "It's time to bring this guy [Fedor] in, to see Brock Lesnar smash his head."

Ehhh, horrible statement.
For one, it was a fingernail and Fedor never lost composure.
I would also give Rogers a solid chance against Cain or Mir.

rockdawg21
11-10-2009, 07:37 PM
UFC won't ever give into that co-promotion BS with M-1. M-1 will die when Fedor retires anyways. The whole thing is a joke. They might as well just call it "Fedor MMA Co."

rockdawg21
11-10-2009, 07:51 PM
"The guy just got his face smashed in by Brett Rogers. Do you know what Brock or [UFC heavyweights] Frank Mir and Cain Velasquez would do to Brett Rogers?" White said. "It's time to bring this guy [Fedor] in, to see Brock Lesnar smash his head."

Ehhh, horrible statement.
For one, it was a fingernail and Fedor never lost composure.
I would also give Rogers a solid chance against Cain or Mir.
LOL, I agree, horrible statement. Cain would get KOed or submitted. If Rogers couldn't finish Fedor with those big shots, no way Cain does it with his punches. Rogers would smash Cain at some point IMO. He defended really well against Fedor, I was impressed with that.

Mir against Fedor, LOL, right

Brock, as long as he can avoid the standup, would definitely do well against Fedor on the ground. He neutralized Mir really well. Same patience could do well against Fedor I'd think.

atomdanger
11-10-2009, 11:41 PM
Of course Dana knows Fedor could do that, he is a businessman and is trying to get a good deal. I wasn't impressed by Fedor's performance at all, he seemed slowly and not what he usually is. Hearing Fedor got paid 400,000 I was suprised, I figured he would have been paid more, but not sure how much he gets for the co-promotion. Dana would be stupid to co-promote with M1, they don't need Fedor, infact there are people that would draw higher ratings than him to fight lesnar, since he isn't widely known yet in the US.

Please link me to any Fedor fights where he looked faster?
What was the last HW fighter that did impress you?

KENTUCKYREDBONE
11-11-2009, 01:43 AM
Dana is being smart not to co promote at this time! The big talk from both sides is probably a negotiation tactic!

J.B.
11-11-2009, 01:59 AM
UFC won't ever give into that co-promotion BS with M-1. M-1 will die when Fedor retires anyways. The whole thing is a joke. They might as well just call it "Fedor MMA Co."

You are probably right, but what will the UFC be doing when more fighters start taking that approach and getting themselves on national television and making more money with sponsors? The UFC has a great product, and I don't think they are going anywhere for a while, but eventually something has gotta give.

Right now the UFC is the top dog, like the NFL, NBA, or MLB. However, unlike those leagues where there are unions and a countless number of checks and balances, the UFC is private and it's clear that a lot of fighters have been less than thrilled about working with them.

rockdawg21
11-11-2009, 02:48 AM
You are probably right, but what will the UFC be doing when more fighters start taking that approach and getting themselves on national television and making more money with sponsors? The UFC has a great product, and I don't think they are going anywhere for a while, but eventually something has gotta give.

Right now the UFC is the top dog, like the NFL, NBA, or MLB. However, unlike those leagues where there are unions and a countless number of checks and balances, the UFC is private and it's clear that a lot of fighters have been less than thrilled about working with them.
Yeah, I'd imagine things will change at some point, but when I don't really know. Didn't Matt and some of the other fighters have to fight with Dana to use their own walk-in music? I remember reading something like that a year ago or so on this forum.

J.B.
11-11-2009, 02:52 AM
Yeah, I'd imagine things will change at some point, but when I don't really know. Didn't Matt and some of the other fighters have to fight with Dana to use their own walk-in music? I remember reading something like that a year ago or so on this forum.

I don't remember that, but I can imagine there is some red-tape with using certain music.

wavetar
11-11-2009, 03:26 AM
Oh man...I can't imagine more red tape involved than Cro Cop using "Wild Boys" as his entrance music. Lol. (yes, I realize he's used it for years, and that people across the pond somehow view it as...somehow less geh than here)

Via Con Dios
11-11-2009, 06:11 AM
i say mo power to Fedor, even if it means i dont ever get to see him pwn the UFC lineup.

the way UFC runs their organization its good to see people causing unrest in their MMA monopoly.