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VCURamFan
11-02-2009, 03:31 PM
From MMAJunkie.com

Although retirement from mixed martial arts seemed inevitable following his loss to Josh Grispi in May, Jens Pulver apparently will fight again.

The former UFC champion and early MMA superstar on late Sunday confirmed he is preparing for another fight.

"Tomorrow I start training camp," he posted in his official Facebook profile.

Additionally, according to a report from AOL Fanhouse (http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/10/30/after-move-and-medication-jens-pulver-to-return-to-wec-cage-in/), Pulver recently sought treatment for anxiety and depression. The medication proved so beneficial that it prompted the 34-year-old to relocate to Idaho to start a training camp and come out of an unofficial retirement.

The fighter has not been booked for a specific WEC event, a source close to Pulver told MMAjunkie.com (http://mmajunkie.com/) (www.mmajunkie.com).

Pulver, the first lightweight champion in UFC history, lost four consecutive fights and six of his past seven following the 33-second submission loss to Grispi at WEC 41 in June. The event took place in Sacramento, and Pulver hinted in a post-fight interview that it would be his final fight.

"I started right here, and I'm not going to be that guy who keeps saying he's retiring," Pulver said at the time. "But I think I just ended where I started. I love all you guys.

"This has been an incredible run. And I'm not saying I'm done yet, but it's been incredible. ... I'm going to tell you guys, thank you for making an old man feel good."

Pulver (22-12-1), a decorated collegiate wrestler who graduated from the underground fight scene to a professional MMA debut at the Bas Rutten Invitational event series, joined the UFC in 1999 and fought Alfonso Alcarez to a draw at UFC 22. However, he'd soon find his stride and become one of the organization's top stars. He won the UFC lightweight belt in 2001 but would relinquish the title to fight overseas.

Pulver returned to the UFC in 2007 to coach opposite rival B.J. Penn on the fifth season of "The Ultimate Fighter." However, after a loss to Penn in the show's live finale, Pulver headed to the WEC, the UFC's sister promotion, but he had little success after dropping to the featherweight division. After opening his WEC stint with a win over Cub Swanson, he suffered a unanimous-decision loss to then-WEC featherweight champ Urijah Faber. It was the start of his current four-fight losing streak.

GnP
11-02-2009, 03:41 PM
Dave may wet himself with excitment :D

Play The Man
11-02-2009, 03:43 PM
VCURamFan, perhaps you could post this in the Jens Pulver Appreciation Social Group Page. It is empty at the moment.

VCURamFan
11-02-2009, 03:43 PM
Dave may wet himself with excitment :D
Shhhhh, I'm testing a theory here: will Dave's Jens-dar go off & make him leave work early to rush home & read this thread?

Similarly, will Max's anti-Jens-dar go off fast enough for him to get back first & say something that pisses Dave off?:laugh:

chunk liddell
11-02-2009, 04:05 PM
I hope he comes back an kicks some ass!!!!!!!!!!:punch:

Krupp
11-02-2009, 04:10 PM
Jens has been one of my favorites since I started watching mma...I'm worried for him now man. I didn't want him to come back. I would've been happy if he officially retired.

But since I'm obviously not in his position, and therefore have no say in what he can and can't do, War Jens. Let's hope he gets out there and KO's someone brutally or something.

atomdanger
11-02-2009, 05:03 PM
Come on Jens, pull some wins.

Max
11-02-2009, 05:07 PM
Similarly, will Max's anti-Jens-dar go off fast enough for him to get back first & say something that pisses Dave off?:laugh:
yep, Im picking whoever Jens fights and I bet Jens does not even make it out of round 1

Im just playing, I hope Jens does well, if this ends up being his last fight I really hope he goes out with a win.

Most of my anti Jens talk is really just to get under Dave's skin. I dont think I have rooted against him since he fought BJ.

VCURamFan
11-02-2009, 05:09 PM
yep, Im picking whoever Jens fights and I bet Jens does not even make it out of round 1
That's what I was waiting for!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Max
11-02-2009, 05:11 PM
That's what I was waiting for!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

if you are going to quote me at least quote the stuff that i wrote in white as well.

VCURamFan
11-02-2009, 05:12 PM
if you are going to quote me at least quote the stuff that i wrote in white as well.
Heck no! If Dave's already forgotten how to see white text, he deserve to gt his panties in a twist!:tongue0011:

Max
11-02-2009, 05:15 PM
Heck no! If Dave's already forgotten how to see white text, he deserve to gt his panties in a twist!:tongue0011:

ok, im fine with that answer

Spiritwalker
11-02-2009, 05:25 PM
VCURamFan, perhaps you could post this in the Jens Pulver Appreciation Social Group Page. It is empty at the moment.


:laugh:

Krupp
11-02-2009, 05:36 PM
Poor Dave. I can imagine what he'll think when he sees this thread later today...

Max
11-02-2009, 05:44 PM
Poor Dave. I can imagine what he'll think when he sees this thread later today...

he will prob think "oh s__t I just crapped myself with excitement"

Max
11-02-2009, 05:58 PM
assuming Jens wins I wonder if he will try and make one more title run. I cant think of a better way to end your carrier than with a championship

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 06:19 PM
From MMAJunkie.com

:ninja: But I knew all this...and more :wink:

Well, I know he refused to say he was retired, I knew he was going to Idaho, I know he's doing more then training in that State, I think I know who he's training with, or at least who he wanted to train with, I know exactly what he was diagnosed with, I know all about the treatment...I even know what happened that made him have to go seek medical help

What I am annoyed at...is it looks like my artical for MMAUnlimited might be old hat by the time they get around to deciding if they will publish it or not :angry: After all...others are already begining to break the news ive been siting on/trying to share for the last month :rolleyes:

I wonder who they will make him fight :blink:

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 06:22 PM
:laugh:

:angry:

Play The Man
11-02-2009, 06:25 PM
:ninja: But I knew all this...and more :wink:

Well, I know he refused to say he was retired, I knew he was going to Idaho, I know he's doing more then training in that State, I think I know who he's training with, or at least who he wanted to train with, I know exactly what he was diagnosed with, I know all about the treatment...I even know what happened that made him have to go seek medical help

What I am annoyed at...is it looks like my artical for MMAUnlimited might be old hat by the time they get around to deciding if they will publish it or not :angry: After all...others are already begining to break the news ive been siting on/trying to share for the last month :rolleyes:

I wonder who they will make him fight :blink:

You mean you were holding out on us?:angry:

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 06:40 PM
You mean you were holding out on us?:angry:

:unsure-1: Define "holding out" :ashamed:

I was trying to get my artical published in a real magazine :laugh:

I have knowledge of his future plans outside of active competition, I know about his mental health issues. I know more then whats in that artical anyway, alot of stuff is contained in a fifteen moment dialogue that he gave to me

But you have to remember Jens Pulver is also a bit like the atmosphere of a gas giant, there are windspeeds of extreme velocity, one moment absolutely nothing, the next moment a very strong wind. He changes mood rapidly. Within the hour and a half I saw him he'd been several different people almost, like a lot of fast flowing streams though you can say something, and the whole watercourse changes direction.

When he first arrived at the table he was happy, but seconds after he started talking to Mr Mckinnon, he became quite muted, a bit sullan, and then he became protected when they started talking about the spiritual happenings that were going on in his life. Its as if he had clarity in his mind and dared not let what they were saying influence his conceptions or else he'd find himself lost again, Then he cheered up some when he talked about his future plans and his ideals, and by the time he was talking about his medical issues, he was positively hyper, I mean, hyper. Then we started talking and he became angry, and he started saying...things...I discovered I could switch conversations with a few words, so I'd let him go and then I'd change his course everyso often, if I felt he needed regning in, See he would be set off and it would be like wind to a set of smoulders, they would spark and catch alight again, sometimes that was good...and sometimes I just had to snap him out of that cyclical mode before it was all he could think about...do you understand?

Play The Man
11-02-2009, 06:45 PM
:unsure-1: Define "holding out" :ashamed:

I was trying to get my artical published in a real magazine :laugh:

I have knowledge of his future plans outside of active competition, I know about his mental health issues. I know more then whats in that artical anyway, alot of stuff is contained in a fifteen moment dialogue that he gave to me

But you have to remember Jens Pulver is also a bit like the atmosphere of a gas giant, there are windspeeds of extreme velocity, one moment absolutely nothing, the next moment a very strong wind. He changes mood rapidly. Within the hour and a half I saw him he'd been several different people almost, like a lot of fast flowing streams though you can say something, and the whole watercourse changes direction.

When he first arrived at the table he was happy, but seconds after he started talking to Mr Mckinnon, he became quite muted, a bit sullan, and then he became protected when they started talking about the spiritual happenings that were going on in his life. Its as if he had clarity in his mind and dared not let what they were saying influence his conceptions or else he'd find himself lost again, Then he cheered up some when he talked about his future plans and his ideals, and by the time he was talking about his medical issues, he was positively hyper, I mean, hyper. Then we started talking and he became angry, and he started saying...things...I discovered I could switch conversations with a few words, so I'd let him go and then I'd change his course everyso often, if I felt he needed regning in, See he would be set off and it would be like wind to a set of smoulders, they would spark and catch alight again, sometimes that was good...and sometimes I just had to snap him out of that cyclical mode before it was all he could think about...do you understand?

Yes, it is called "flight of ideas". I can guess a diagnosis by your description. I didn't want you to break a confidence . . . just drop a hint . . . like: "I have a feeling Jens isn't done fighting!"

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 07:45 PM
Yes, it is called "flight of ideas". I can guess a diagnosis by your description. I didn't want you to break a confidence . . . just drop a hint . . . like: "I have a feeling Jens isn't done fighting!"

:laugh: Well I've ALWAYS said that I thought Jens wasnt done fighting...or rather then we didnt know.

I Didnt know he had come back...what I knew was that he had been shelved, and had since told the UFC that his circumstances had changed and he believed he could go again...his words were "I'm prepared to risk it all" :rolleyes: BUT he just said he felt they needed a bit of..."convincing" obviously in the last month he's given them whatever they felt they needed

The thing is the UFC have just cottoned onto the fact that they can market fighters on a personality basis. They kinda just discovered what ive been rattling on about since 2006, that sometimes the person can matter more. They tried this between Jens Pulver and Urijah Faber...and it worked so well, that everyone whose fought him sinse, has expressed almost repentance at gaining victory, and whilst their stock has stayed the same...have you seen Josh Grispi since Jens Pulver?? Leonard, bless his golden heart is out of contention for the time being, Urijah Faber has flat-lined so dramatically...and Urijah made a point of being as Gracious in the run up to both fights as Jens was to him, Leonard expressed his thoughts to me, and Josh Grispi nearly burst into tears during his post fight interview. the Insitution cant MAKE that happen, and now it has, they see that win or lose, for at least a while Jens Pulver is still a social phenomina that they could use.

You wait til his opponent is known. They will ask him some honnest questions, and he'll tell you all about his most recent overcoming, and once again the people will wish against all probability for Jens to win...if he does, then suddenly he'll be hoisted, and if he doesnt...well pity the guy whose just beaten him...because the public will have the same reaction I bet as before.

Just like with Randy Couture...who cares what the outcome of his fight against Brandon Vera is...Can Couture lose ANYTHING in the eyes of the public...these two are the FIRST to have developed a fan base souly on who they are. Neither have the best record...neither are classed orthodox as pound for pound, neither have had such a good run of it in the past year.

..and finally, Everyone is discovering, it actually doesnt matter, because who they are and what they have been through and the ikons they have become have been noticed by even Penn fans...like Max :unsure::laugh:

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 08:01 PM
Also he does what I do sometimes. Like in my weekly blog, I'm talking about something that ive thought a lot about, so I am actually able to think about other things as I talk to the camara, and Suddenly I'm talking about the Budgie making a racket, as if you are hearing a thought going through my mind, and then, im suddenly back on the first topic again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhKYfmyFSM8 Happens at 3.53 mark :ashamed:

Well when Jens first sat down he was talking to Tim McKinnon, and every few moments, he would stop and talk to me, as if it was off the record, like a side thought. So he sat down and started talking, and said a cuss word, and he turned to me, without taking a breath and says "oh I cuss alot, even in church" then he was back talking to McKinnon again...as if he was watching himself, and giving a narration to me on the conversation he was having...do you follow?

:laugh: I love him to bits, can you tell :laugh:

MattHughesRocks
11-03-2009, 03:21 AM
Thanks for that Dave!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhKYfmyFSM8 Happens at 3.53 mark :ashamed:

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 11:47 AM
Thanks for that Dave!

:laugh: well...I didnt want you watching the whole thing :rolleyes:

Vizion
11-03-2009, 12:09 PM
I like Jens...but he is awfully full of himself. I've never heard anyone who is more "self aware" than Jens.

Fact is he's lost 6 of 7 of his last fights. I thought it bogus that after he had returned to the UFC and lost to Joe Lauzon, then to BJ Penn, THEN gets into the WEC and wins ONE FIGHT and gets a title shot, which he lost, THEN gets PWNED again, THEN gets another TITLE SHOT??? Then loses to a noob.:blink: And he's supposed to be a legend? What next, Dancing with the Stars :laugh::laugh::laugh:

All because he's, well, his name sounds pretty cool eh? Seriously, I could probably beat his arse in a fight. He's washed up. A lot of heart, but his time is come and gone.

Let the attacks on my post begin :tongue0011:

Vizion
11-03-2009, 12:15 PM
Loss Josh Grispi Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Loss Urijah Faber Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Loss Leonard Garcia TKO (Punches)
Loss Urijah Faber Decision (Unanimous)
Win Cub Swanson Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Loss B.J. Penn Submission (Rear Naked Choke)
Loss Joe Lauzon KO (Punch)

Woooww...with a record so undeniably IMPRESSIVE I think Jens should get a title shot against Brown next, obbbbviously :rolleyes: (he does have a big heart, and all...)

I wish him the best if he is really going to return to fighting, but I also heard that DWTS is casting for the next season as well.

Krupp
11-03-2009, 03:26 PM
Maybe he doesn't deserve a title shot until he wins two or three fights in a row, but you acting like a prick sure makes me want him to get one immediately anyway...

Max
11-03-2009, 03:37 PM
Loss Josh Grispi Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Loss Urijah Faber Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Loss Leonard Garcia TKO (Punches)
Loss Urijah Faber Decision (Unanimous)
Win Cub Swanson Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Loss B.J. Penn Submission (Rear Naked Choke)
Loss Joe Lauzon KO (Punch)

Woooww...with a record so undeniably IMPRESSIVE I think Jens should get a title shot against Brown next, obbbbviously :rolleyes: (he does have a big heart, and all...)

I wish him the best if he is really going to return to fighting, but I also heard that DWTS is casting for the next season as well.

First off he only got 1 title shot in WEC, his second fight with Faber was after Faber lost the title. The reason the WEC set that fight up was because the first Faber v Pulver fight was a good one. Now I dont think Jens should get a title shot for only winning one fight (and I agree he should not have gotten a title shot after the Cub fight but the fact remains that his first fight with Faber was a good one). No one is talking about giving him a title shot after one win anyway. If Jens wins 3 or 4 in a row against top fighters I dont see why he shouldn't get a title shot though.

Vizion
11-03-2009, 03:45 PM
Maybe he doesn't deserve a title shot until he wins two or three fights in a row, but you acting like a prick sure makes me want him to get one immediately anyway... Oh ok, I'm sure the WEC will take your considerations and arrange such a fight, for you :rolleyes: Bah, I'm just venting. I rooted for Jens in every single fight, I really wanted to see him comeback strong, but he didn't, and he probably never will. Just getting sick of all the hype around him is all, or am I false to say he's washed up?

Max
11-03-2009, 03:52 PM
or am I false to say he's washed up?

you never know, Randy was washed up after he lost the 3rd fight to chuck but came back after a break and looked better than ever. Maybe the same will happen with Jens.

Vizion
11-03-2009, 03:59 PM
you never know, Randy was washed up after he lost the 3rd fight to chuck but came back after a break and looked better than ever. Maybe the same will happen with Jens. Hmmm....Randy and Jens....I think they are so different in style, discipline, mental fortitude...I don't think Jens is on Randy's level. I think he uses far too many pronouns per sentence and has a big heart (and a lot of tears too) as Rogan would say, but he's not Randy.

I would like to see him come back strong, but would rather he not because he might only go down hard. His latest accomplishments have begun to fade into obscurity next to all his defeats, his last few being very embarrasing.

Vizion
11-03-2009, 04:04 PM
Oh and Dave, when you get to this thread, which you will, spare me the 3000 worded excuse ridden dissertation on Jens - :laugh: Just pony up and admit the truth. It's much easier to stomach :laugh:

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 04:49 PM
Fact is he's lost 6 of 7 of his last fights. I thought it bogus that after he had returned to the UFC and lost to Joe Lauzon, then to BJ Penn, THEN gets into the WEC and wins ONE FIGHT and gets a title shot, which he lost, THEN gets PWNED again, THEN gets another TITLE SHOT??? Then loses to a noob.:blink: And he's supposed to be a legend? What next, Dancing with the Stars :laugh::laugh::laugh:


But thats the whole point ive been trying to make. the peoples love for him is NOT based on his record. Let me tell you that not many people even remember him as Lightweight Champion...so they love him solely because he is a genuinely nice humanbeing.

I wouldnt use the word "self Aware" it doesnt mean what your trying to say :laugh:

As for WEC...well he was unbeaten at 145lbs from other insitutions, he only needed to show he could beat someone, and with a division like that he may as well try out since almost everyone else had against Faber...and he only fought for the title once., after that they never promised even winning a rematch with Faber would give him contention

as for Grispi...just like Lauzon...the two were not Noobs. You feel like they are because they are making debuts and you know little about them, but neither were low callibres. I dont know why they havent played on Grispi again though since.

As for Legend. Well, his legacy is concrete. Nothing he does now really effects that. Trust me, you wouldnt stand a chance against Jens Pulver. Its his presence and his unpredictability. You've not seen him angry...and I have :ninja::laugh:

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 04:51 PM
or am I false to say he's washed up?

Your false :)

Vizion
11-03-2009, 05:45 PM
Trust me, you wouldnt stand a chance against Jens Pulver. Its his presence and his unpredictability. You've not seen him angry...and I have :ninja::laugh: I would murder him :laugh:

Krupp
11-03-2009, 06:06 PM
Let me put it this way: I don't care if Jens never gets another title shot. As long as he remains competitive and can give as much as he's taking I'm happy for the man.

As it is, I believe Hughes should retire because he's not half as good as he used to be - I believe one could say that Hughes himself is 'washed up'

BUT you don't see me saying crap like "I could take him." Now, do you? My point simply is that you thinking you're actually good enough to fight someone who's put his time into the sport irks me. I'm not saying you couldn't; I don't know if you train in mma or not. But I'm one of those guys that gives respect to the old men, regardless of if they're washed up or not.

So if you believe Jens is washed up, that's fine. I can't say I blame you. But maybe you should first try fighting in the WEC or even fighting professional at all before you start running your mouth about who you could and couldn't beat. Chances are you might get embarassed.

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 07:35 PM
I would murder him :laugh:

You could try :ninja:

Vizion
11-03-2009, 08:26 PM
You could try :ninja: And I could succeed too :wink:

Vizion
11-03-2009, 08:38 PM
Let me put it this way: I don't care if Jens never gets another title shot. As long as he remains competitive and can give as much as he's taking I'm happy for the man. Fair enough :)

As it is, I believe Hughes should retire because he's not half as good as he used to be - I believe one could say that Hughes himself is 'washed up' Matt also doesn't oversell himself like Jens does. As per the rest of your post...let's just say my initials might be UF :laugh:

Krupp
11-03-2009, 09:04 PM
To be honest, the initals aren't ringing a bell, so you'd probably have to tell me what they stand for..

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 09:15 PM
let's just say my initials might be UF :laugh:

lets just say its not.

I speak to him also.

...and you dont get it. Jens doesnt sell himself. He just does what he does, and that naturally gains interest...he doesnt go out of his way to create anything.

...and the institution have only used this very minimally to sell fights

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 09:19 PM
And I could succeed too :wink:

well, there would sure be a funeral afterwards, thats certain. But it wouldnt be his.

VCURamFan
11-03-2009, 09:29 PM
To be honest, the initals aren't ringing a bell, so you'd probably have to tell me what they stand for..
I believe they're meant to stand for "Urijah Faber"

Vizion
11-03-2009, 10:00 PM
well, there would sure be a funeral afterwards, thats certain. But it wouldnt be his. Hahahahahahaha...I'm shakin' in my booties :Whistle:

Vizion
11-03-2009, 10:21 PM
Dave, do you like to see your favorite fighters fight? Even if they continually lose the fights?

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 10:47 PM
Dave, do you like to see your favorite fighters fight? Even if they continually lose the fights?

I would like my favourite fighter to win all his fights, because I want whats best for him, and what will make him happy. I truely believe that he has the capabilities to win.

But If Jens were to fight a million more fights and lose each one, it wouldnt change my feelings or my loyalty towards him.

You might be expecting me to rant on and defend him, and if your mean then I will, BUT, before I thought I knew how it was, and it mattered to me that other people thought that too. Now I've met him I KNOW how it is, and it doesnt bother me so much what others think, because I know the truth.

As it happens, I have never seen Jens Pulver fight live, I havent even seen many of his fights at the time they happen, since WEC isnt shown on English TV and neither is the other promotions he was with. I never knew Jens when he held the Championship Belt in the UFC, because it was before I'd ever heard of MMA.

As for you, I suspect your just trying to cause a scene...afterall, I've spoken to Urijah Faber before, I know that your not him, I also think that there is little point in indulging someone whose clearly just looking for a reaction.

You couldnt beat Jens up. You couldnt murder or kill him, and if you ever met him and saw him get angry, you wouldnt ever even try. You know this, I know this...and if Jens reads this thread, he will know this too :ninja::laugh:

Vizion
11-03-2009, 11:01 PM
I would like my favourite fighter to win all his fights, because I want whats best for him, and what will make him happy. I truely believe that he has the capabilities to win.[/QUOTE] Ok...

But If Jens were to fight a million more fights and lose each one, it wouldnt change my feelings or my loyalty towards him. Ok...

You might be expecting me to rant on and defend him, and if your mean then I will, BUT, before I thought I knew how it was, and it mattered to me that other people thought that too. Now I've met him I KNOW how it is, and it doesnt bother me so much what others think, because I know the truth. Ok...

As for you, I suspect your just trying to cause a scene... No I'm not, I was just playing, don't take it all personal now. I LIKE JENS. I have ROOTED for him every-single-fight, ANNND like you, would root for him again. I hayte watching fighters I like get PWNED again and again but I suppose you have a point that if Jens wants to fight, get pwned, and be happy, go for it. I'd rather see him win, but he's an old man now, and he's past his prime, IMO.

You couldnt beat Jens up. You couldnt murder or kill him, and if you ever met him and saw him get angry, you wouldnt ever even try. You know this, I know this...and if Jens reads this thread, he will know this too :ninja::laugh: You don't know that. You know nothing. If you saw ME you'd be thinking the same thing about me as you do Jens, only I am MUCH bigger, MUCH stronger but much nicer...and MUCH better looking too :wink:

I think I'll apply for DWTS instead...I am Uriah Faber after all :wink:

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 11:13 PM
I would like my favourite fighter to win all his fights, because I want whats best for him, and what will make him happy. I truely believe that he has the capabilities to win Ok...

Ok...

Ok...

No I'm not, I was just playing, don't take it all personal now. I LIKE JENS. I have ROOTED for him every-single-fight, ANNND like you, would root for him again. I hayte watching fighters I like get PWNED again and again but I suppose you have a point that if Jens wants to fight, get pwned, and be happy, go for it. I'd rather see him win, but he's an old man now, and he's past his prime, IMO.

You don't know that. You know nothing. If you saw ME you'd be thinking the same thing about me as you do Jens, only I am MUCH bigger, MUCH stronger but much nicer...and MUCH better looking too :wink:

I think I'll apply for DWTS instead...I am Uriah Faber after all :wink:


Look at the photo in my siggie. I, Myself am MUCH bigger then Jens...thats not hard when he's...rather...small :unsure-1::laugh:

As for Much better looking. I tell you what. You post a photo and I'll tell you if your better looking. :wink:

que
11-04-2009, 02:05 AM
hopefully he can pull off a win. 5 losses in a row will look really bad, and how many times can you keep saying "i never say never but this may be the last time you see me in this octagon" the first couple times it's okay but after that it gets old after a while