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Tyburn
11-02-2009, 01:20 AM
and why :ninja::huh:

Play The Man
11-02-2009, 01:53 AM
Not in rank order:

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Ronald Reagan
James Madison
John Adams
FDR
Harry Truman
Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson

Why will cost you extra:wink:

NateR
11-02-2009, 01:59 AM
Not sure if I can really come up with ten, but....

1. George Washington - our first President and probably the only one we will ever have who didn't actively seek the office. In fact, he tried to refuse it but was so popular at the time that it was impossible for him to turn it down. People wanted him crowned as the King of America, but he declined that status and set the precedent for an Executive Leader with limited powers who was a servant of the people. In other words, the exact polar opposite of Barack Obama. :laugh:

Washington was also the only President we've ever had who was not a part of the party system. In fact, he forbid the forming of political parties during his term in office and believed that they would do more damage to this country than anything else.

2. Ronald Reagan - probably the only true Conservative we have had in office since the 19th century. He took down the entire Soviet Union and won the Cold War without a single shot fired. I'm not sure if I would count any other Presidents of the 20th or 21st century in the top ten.

3. Abraham Lincoln - he gets props for freeing the slaves, even though he only did it to help win the Civil War.

que
11-02-2009, 02:56 AM
and why :ninja::huh:

dave you know it's the unspoken universal rule that you cannot create a thread asking a question and not answering it first yourself.

shame on you.

i don't have a top 10 but i would say reagan was the best

Crisco
11-02-2009, 08:35 PM
I have to disagree with Andrew Jackson but I like the rest of your list Play.

Jackson shouldh ave been impeached.

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 09:43 PM
Not in rank order:

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Ronald Reagan
James Madison
John Adams
FDR
Harry Truman
Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson

Why will cost you extra:wink:

:unsure-1: what extra do you want.

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 09:44 PM
dave you know it's the unspoken universal rule that you cannot create a thread asking a question and not answering it first yourself.

shame on you.

i don't have a top 10 but i would say reagan was the best

:laugh: I dont think I even KNOW 10 US Presidents without research. I ask because of something I saw on one of them recently that I didnt know about :ninja:

Play The Man
11-02-2009, 09:45 PM
:unsure-1: what extra do you want.

A sneak peak of your Jens article:Whistle:

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 09:46 PM
Washington was also the only President we've ever had who was not a part of the party system. In fact, he forbid the forming of political parties during his term in office and believed that they would do more damage to this country than anything else.


Now that is fascinating :ninja:

Not sure Reagan "brought down" the USSR. it was an internal collapse. Granted Reagan didnt lose his nerve over all out warfare with Russia though

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 09:46 PM
A sneak peak of your Jens article:Whistle:

:ninja:

rearnakedchoke
11-02-2009, 11:28 PM
abe
fdr
teddy
ronny
tom jeff
washington
truman
obama
woodrow
jfk ...

no particular order though ...

J.B.
11-02-2009, 11:45 PM
abe
fdr
teddy
ronny
tom jeff
washington
truman
obama
woodrow
jfk ...

no particular order though ...


Obama.... LOL....:laugh:

If you actually believe that after 10 months, that is sad.

Rev
11-03-2009, 12:52 AM
abe
fdr
teddy
ronny
tom jeff
washington
truman
obama
woodrow
jfk ...

no particular order though ...

:blink:How in the heck did JFK and Obama make anyones list?
the list is for best Presidents, not American Idol.

Chris F
11-03-2009, 01:39 AM
Not sure if I can really come up with ten, but....

1. George Washington - our first President and probably the only one we will ever have who didn't actively seek the office. In fact, he tried to refuse it but was so popular at the time that it was impossible for him to turn it down. People wanted him crowned as the King of America, but he declined that status and set the precedent for an Executive Leader with limited powers who was a servant of the people. In other words, the exact polar opposite of Barack Obama. :laugh:

Washington was also the only President we've ever had who was not a part of the party system. In fact, he forbid the forming of political parties during his term in office and believed that they would do more damage to this country than anything else.

2. Ronald Reagan - probably the only true Conservative we have had in office since the 19th century. He took down the entire Soviet Union and won the Cold War without a single shot fired. I'm not sure if I would count any other Presidents of the 20th or 21st century in the top ten.

3. Abraham Lincoln - he gets props for freeing the slaves, even though he only did it to help win the Civil War.

Abraham did not free a single slave. The salves were not free until the amendment was passed well after his death. In Fact US Grant kept his slaves till the very day it passed because he said good help was hard to find. The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the CSA. For example a border states like Missouri and Kentucky had slavery well passed Abe's death.

George Wash.- Did it for the good of his country
James Madison father of the constitution
John Adams- My relative and did a lot during the revolution
Tom Jefferson- The great en-lightener
John Q Adams- Help refocused our country back to its roots
Ron Regan- ended the cold war
That is all I have for now.

Chris F
11-03-2009, 01:43 AM
Not in rank order:

George Washington- Great choice
Theodore Roosevelt- Founder of the parks
Abraham Lincoln The biggest fraud
Ronald ReaganA great man
James MadisonGreat man
John AdamsGreat man
FDRDestroyed America with his welfare nation creation the new deal
Harry TrumanGreat leader
Thomas JeffersonGreat man
Andrew JacksonHorrible he took pride in killing indians and raped the constitution when he refused to uphold the SCOTUS and let the Cherokee keep their lands

Why will cost you extra:wink:
Comments in red

huan
11-03-2009, 02:29 AM
John Adams- My relative...that's pretty epic. definitely one of the most important Founding Fathers. and the guy lived for what is equivalent to someone living over 9000 years nowadays.

Chris F
11-03-2009, 02:34 AM
that's pretty epic. definitely one of the most important Founding Fathers. and the guy lived for what is equivalent to someone living over 9000 years nowadays.

What i found the most ironic is him and Jefferson's rocky relationship that was healed last minute and they both dies on July 4th. How fitting.

NateR
11-03-2009, 02:58 AM
Abraham did not free a single slave. The salves were not free until the amendment was passed well after his death. In Fact US Grant kept his slaves till the very day it passed because he said good help was hard to find. The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the CSA. For example a border states like Missouri and Kentucky had slavery well passed Abe's death.

George Wash.- Did it for the good of his country
James Madison father of the constitution
John Adams- My relative and did a lot during the revolution
Tom Jefferson- The great en-lightener
John Q Adams- Help refocused our country back to its roots
Ron Regan- ended the cold war
That is all I have for now.

Yeah, I'm not totally committed to my Abe as #3 choice, in fact I fully expect him to drop further and further down the list as I did more research. Interesting fact about the freeing of the slaves though, I did not know that.

If we were listing worst Presidents, as in those who weren't merely incompetent, but actively destroying what the Founding Fathers created, then my top choices would be Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.

Chris F
11-03-2009, 03:24 AM
Yeah, I'm not totally committed to my Abe as #3 choice, in fact I fully expect him to drop further and further down the list as I did more research. Interesting fact about the freeing of the slaves though, I did not know that.

If we were listing worst Presidents, as in those who weren't merely incompetent, but actively destroying what the Founding Fathers created, then my top choices would be Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.

Yeah I agree on that. They both really messed things up.

donaldbreland
11-03-2009, 04:27 PM
rearnakedchoke




abe
fdr
teddy
ronny
tom jeff
washington
truman
obama
woodrow
jfk ...

no particular order though ...

Boy George Washington would have been pissed to see your list. I take it this was supposed to be the top 10 best presidents. President Obama wants to have a one world country. He wants to take away everything our forefathers died for. I don't know about you but I love my country. I also bet you agree with Rev. Wrights church and his views. You really need to stand up, open your eyes, quit worrying about what people will think of you and open your dang ears and instead of always talk about crap you know absolutely nothing about and listen for a CHANGE. Now that's change I believe in.

Chris F
11-03-2009, 04:35 PM
abe
fdr
teddy
ronny
tom jeff
washington
truman
obama
woodrow
jfk ...

no particular order though ...

He said why as well. Just curious what did Obama, JFK and wilson do to achieve top 10 status. I hated Clinton but at least he did a lot in office like institute welfare reform, but Obama has not did a thing, JFK's only claim to greatness is the Cuban missile crisis and cheating on his wife with Marilyn Monroe.

Crisco
11-03-2009, 05:24 PM
He said why as well. Just curious what did Obama, JFK and wilson do to achieve top 10 status. I hated Clinton but at least he did a lot in office like institute welfare reform, but Obama has not did a thing, JFK's only claim to greatness is the Cuban missile crisis and cheating on his wife with Marilyn Monroe.

As horrible is that is...

I mean... It's Marilyn...

Chris F
11-03-2009, 05:48 PM
:laugh:As horrible is that is...

I mean... It's Marilyn...

:laugh: You know what I find funny. By todays standards she is considered fat. She was a size 12-14 most of the time.

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 07:46 PM
Not in rank order:

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Ronald Reagan
James Madison
John Adams
FDR
Harry Truman
Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson

Why will cost you extra:wink:

im still waiting :angry:

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 07:48 PM
Jackson shouldh ave been impeached.

why :huh:

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 07:50 PM
Yeah I agree on that. They both really messed things up.

how so :huh:

Chris F
11-03-2009, 08:24 PM
why :huh:

Lets see. He hunted indians and refused to uphold Cherokee vs Georgia and forced the trail of tears and actually bragged about it. This is why I think Crisco can answer for himself.

Chris F
11-03-2009, 08:35 PM
how so :huh:

FDR- his administration invented welfare as we know it. Because of him we have higher taxes to pay for the upkeep of those who choose to not work. His plan was to help get people out of the Great Depression, but all it did was take us one step closer to Socialism and the Nanny Nation we are today.Thanks to him we now pay federal payroll taxes when prior to him they were forbidden by the Us Constitution. He manipulated people into thinking we need this new taxation.

Wilson was a limp wristed coward who could have dealt with race issues but refused and openly segregated federal offices (BTW he was a Northerner and the South in the progressive era was working towards less segregation which Wilson did not like). He even contributed to the KKK. He also was the fool that introduced the Federal reserve Act and the federal trade commission which was one more rape of the founder's vision of a small federal government. One more president to rape state sovereignty and ignore the 10th amendment without amending it

Tyburn
11-03-2009, 09:21 PM
Lets see. He hunted indians and refused to uphold Cherokee vs Georgia and forced the trail of tears and actually bragged about it. This is why I think Crisco can answer for himself.

lets see what Crisco says

Black Mamba
11-04-2009, 02:04 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html

Just bringing some humor into the thread. :laugh:

Play The Man
11-04-2009, 05:51 PM
im still waiting :angry:

George Washington - In the words of the eulogy by Henry Lee, "First in war, first in peace and first in the hearts of his countrymen."

Theodore Roosevelt - An American president who actually earned his Nobel Peace Prize. Read The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt by Edmund Morris and you will be convinced that Roosevelt is not a one in a million man but a one in a billion man. Leader of the Rough Riders, rugged outdoorsman, author, founder of the national parks, trustbuster, and political reformer.

Out of time for now:sad:

Tyburn
11-04-2009, 08:13 PM
Out of time for now:sad:[/SIZE][/FONT]

:laugh: dont worry, I'll still be here later :w00t:

Play The Man
11-04-2009, 08:41 PM
Abraham Lincoln - He endured severe melancholia, a mentally unstable wife, the death of a son, "Copperheads" and insubordination (His quote on Gen. McClellan: "If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time.") to ultimately preserve the Union. Martyred just days after the surrender, his Secretary of War phrased it best, "Now he belongs to the ages."

Play The Man
11-04-2009, 09:09 PM
I'll complete the presidents from Mt. Rushmore . . .

Thomas Jefferson - The brilliant polymath author of The Declaration of Independence and founder of the University of Virginia made one of the best buys in history with the Louisiana Purchase. He was the first American President to take on Islamic terror when he sent the U.S. Navy against the Barbary Pirates. (Personally, I find Jefferson, the man, distasteful. He likely fathered children with his slave, lived beyond his means, was treacherous to John Adams and literally went after the Bible with a pair of scissors, cutting out all the miracles.)

Crisco
11-04-2009, 09:14 PM
lets see what Crisco says

I agree with Chris.

He did not follow his legal duty to the government is why he should be impeached.

His character is why he belongs on no ones top ten list. Sure he was the kind of President you would have a beer with but he was also a maniac who reveled in the slaughter of innocent Indians.

Crisco
11-04-2009, 09:16 PM
:laugh:

:laugh: You know what I find funny. By todays standards she is considered fat. She was a size 12-14 most of the time.

I'm glad you laughed at that lol.


I would have been super pissed if someone attacked me for it cuz that was funny lol

Chris F
11-04-2009, 10:01 PM
Abraham Lincoln - He endured severe melancholia, a mentally unstable wife, the death of a son, "Copperheads" and insubordination (His quote on Gen. McClellan: "If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time.") to ultimately preserve the Union. Martyred just days after the surrender, his Secretary of War phrased it best, "Now he belongs to the ages."


afraid I just disagree on this. He forced at the point of guns and bayonet (unconstitutionally I will add) the return of the South because he needed their money to run the country. He could care less about anything else. The Constitution was written in a way that a state could leave at anytime the federal government over stepped its power which came with it violation of the Missouri compromise and many new taxes target at the South only. Had they just waited for the right time the South would have returned when the price of cotton dropped and slavery would have ended because it would have lost profitability. But Abe was a war monger who raped the constitution.

Tyburn
11-04-2009, 10:08 PM
afraid I just disagree on this. He forced at the point of guns and bayonet (unconstitutionally I will add) the return of the South because he needed their money to run the country. He could care less about anything else. The Constitution was written in a way that a state could leave at anytime the federal government over stepped its power which came with it violation of the Missouri compromise and many new taxes target at the South only. Had they just waited for the right time the South would have returned when the price of cotton dropped and slavery would have ended because it would have lost profitability. But Abe was a war monger who raped the constitution.

:huh:

No. He may have been wrong, but he was sincere in his belief that he was doing the right thing. You cant manufacture whats written on the monument of his without that much.

Neezar
11-04-2009, 11:59 PM
:huh:

No. He may have been wrong, but he was sincere in his belief that he was doing the right thing. You cant manufacture whats written on the monument of his without that much.

Sincere about what?

What is written on his monument?

Tyburn
11-05-2009, 12:10 PM
Sincere about what?

What is written on his monument?

About the Civil War. He truely believed in The Union, and for him it appears to be almost as much a Spiritual battle as a real one. If you have never been to Washington DC you oughta go sometime. I took pictures of what he said which is written on the Wall of his monument, I'll find them for you when I have some time :)

Crisco
11-05-2009, 07:19 PM
About the Civil War. He truely believed in The Union, and for him it appears to be almost as much a Spiritual battle as a real one. If you have never been to Washington DC you oughta go sometime. I took pictures of what he said which is written on the Wall of his monument, I'll find them for you when I have some time :)

It's hard to know how full of **** someone is unless u get to know them.

Therei s a lot of conflicting history are Abe.

I prefer to have Washington as my hero.

Tyburn
11-05-2009, 07:34 PM
It's hard to know how full of **** someone is unless u get to know them.

Therei s a lot of conflicting history are Abe.

I prefer to have Washington as my hero.

But these are quotes of his speaches inside his monument. Washingtons Monument is a bit sparse...and horribly two-toned. You can see where they started the build it, and then stopped for years, and then completed it in a different shade of stone...I never saw the inside, so I dont know whats written on the internal bits, I dont imagine a lot, I think its just a large elivator shaft with an observation deck on top...Alsso...I noted the Allignments slightly out.



Washington and Captiol allign perfectly...but neither the building, nor Lincoln on his seat are directly lined up...their nearly a paving slab north :unsure:

May I be rude and ask, how much of your like for Washington is based on his break from England, and how much of your dislike for Lincoln is based on the fact he wanted to keep United a Federal Government...that actually Americans dont like.

In your Opionion should Lincoln have left the Confederacy to grow alone? Do you see it as The South actually following in Washingtons Footsteps by breaking away from a Union which was unfitting for the purpose?? Only I've always viewed it as Lincoln trying to hold together intact something which was sacred.

I guess if you want to be 100percent constitutional about it, you have to say that any Government, under the Declariation of Independance could be something thats needs to be broken, and look at the Souths case and ask yourself if actually they were true Patriots.

Who would Washington have sided with? What would he have done in such a circumstance? I heard he didnt think much to "parties" in Government...did he actually hold the same disregard for the Union...in otherwords, would he have in this case supported its fracturing.

Are we painting Lincoln as an anti-thesis to Washington here?? I've never thought enough about this obviously :unsure-1:

Tyburn
11-05-2009, 07:39 PM
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5002/pict0048z.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/i/pict0048z.jpg/)
see the tone change about a third of the way up...such a shame :unsure-1:

Chris F
11-05-2009, 10:54 PM
But these are quotes of his speaches inside his monument. Washingtons Monument is a bit sparse...and horribly two-toned. You can see where they started the build it, and then stopped for years, and then completed it in a different shade of stone...I never saw the inside, so I dont know whats written on the internal bits, I dont imagine a lot, I think its just a large elivator shaft with an observation deck on top...Alsso...I noted the Allignments slightly out.



Washington and Captiol allign perfectly...but neither the building, nor Lincoln on his seat are directly lined up...their nearly a paving slab north :unsure:

May I be rude and ask, how much of your like for Washington is based on his break from England, and how much of your dislike for Lincoln is based on the fact he wanted to keep United a Federal Government...that actually Americans dont like.

In your Opionion should Lincoln have left the Confederacy to grow alone? Do you see it as The South actually following in Washingtons Footsteps by breaking away from a Union which was unfitting for the purpose?? Only I've always viewed it as Lincoln trying to hold together intact something which was sacred.

I guess if you want to be 100percent constitutional about it, you have to say that any Government, under the Declariation of Independance could be something thats needs to be broken, and look at the Souths case and ask yourself if actually they were true Patriots.

Who would Washington have sided with? What would he have done in such a circumstance? I heard he didnt think much to "parties" in Government...did he actually hold the same disregard for the Union...in otherwords, would he have in this case supported its fracturing.

Are we painting Lincoln as an anti-thesis to Washington here?? I've never thought enough about this obviously :unsure-1:

For me it boils down to he swore to uphold the constitution and he did not. I can care less what fancy speech he gave, he was a politican first and foremost. He was a master of speaking out of both side of his mouth. You take an oath keep it. The South had a constitutional right to leave and the newspapers had a constitutional right to complain but he jailed them for disagreeing with him. So honest Abe was not so honest. Just a myth the carpetbaggers forced into history.

Crisco
11-06-2009, 12:44 AM
For me it boils down to he swore to uphold the constitution and he did not. I can care less what fancy speech he gave, he was a politican first and foremost. He was a master of speaking out of both side of his mouth. You take an oath keep it. The South had a constitutional right to leave and the newspapers had a constitutional right to complain but he jailed them for disagreeing with him. So honest Abe was not so honest. Just a myth the carpetbaggers forced into history.

I thank lincoln for keeping the union together and helping to end slavery. The man himself not so much. There is a lot about Lincoln that we don't rly know for sure and I don't care for some of what I know about him.

I like Washington for his skills, personal character and the fact that he refused the throne of America.

The split from England has little to do with my feelings one way or the other except for the way Washington defeated the British which I admired.

rockdawg21
11-06-2009, 01:04 AM
Top ten, is that possible?

Out of the guys who actually did something, in no particular order...

George Washington - self explanatory
Thomas Jefferson - self explanatory
James Madison - Known as the "Father of our Constitution"
William Henry Harrison - the Whig Party died with him :laugh:
Abraham Lincoln - Instrumental in getting the ball rolling in regards to ending slavery through the "Emancipation Proclamation"
Harry S. Truman - He was from Missouri :laugh: But, he also decided to drop the atom bomb and end WWII, the guy had balls.
Dwight Eisenhower - He had balls, a former Army General and battler of Communism.
Ronald Reagan - The one true Conservative in my lifetime

donaldbreland
11-06-2009, 03:49 AM
I was always told that the reason Abe wanted to free the slaves is because he wanted to ship them back to Africa. I want to say I read it somewhere or either heard it. I will try and research to find out. Has anyone else ever this. This is also the reason he got assassinated. Like I said. It's just something Ive heard or read somewhere.

Play The Man
11-06-2009, 04:10 AM
I was always told that the reason Abe wanted to free the slaves is because he wanted to ship them back to Africa. I want to say I read it somewhere or either heard it. I will try and research to find out. Has anyone else ever this. This is also the reason he got assassinated. Like I said. It's just something Ive heard or read somewhere.

Yes, he was for repatriation. The African country of Liberia was founded by freed American Slaves. There was a "back to Africa" movement well into the 20th Century (e.g. Marcus Garvey).

donaldbreland
11-06-2009, 04:32 AM
Thanks. I wonder why no one else on here has talked about that.

Tyburn
11-06-2009, 11:54 AM
I thank lincoln for keeping the union together and helping to end slavery. The man himself not so much. There is a lot about Lincoln that we don't rly know for sure and I don't care for some of what I know about him.

I like Washington for his skills, personal character and the fact that he refused the throne of America.

The split from England has little to do with my feelings one way or the other except for the way Washington defeated the British which I admired.

:blink: what, by calling in the French :huh:

:laugh:

Tyburn
11-06-2009, 11:56 AM
Top ten, is that possible?

Out of the guys who actually did something, in no particular order...

George Washington - self explanatory
Thomas Jefferson - self explanatory
James Madison - Known as the "Father of our Constitution"
William Henry Harrison - the Whig Party died with him :laugh:
Abraham Lincoln - Instrumental in getting the ball rolling in regards to ending slavery through the "Emancipation Proclamation"
Harry S. Truman - He was from Missouri :laugh: But, he also decided to drop the atom bomb and end WWII, the guy had balls.
Dwight Eisenhower - He had balls, a former Army General and battler of Communism.
Ronald Reagan - The one true Conservative in my lifetime
our Whig party is dead also :laugh:

Chris F
11-06-2009, 02:29 PM
I was always told that the reason Abe wanted to free the slaves is because he wanted to ship them back to Africa. I want to say I read it somewhere or either heard it. I will try and research to find out. Has anyone else ever this. This is also the reason he got assassinated. Like I said. It's just something Ive heard or read somewhere.

Yes he wanted this as far back as when he was a state legislator. Abe as a lawyer even defended a slave owner in court. While president he had congress propose the bill that would ship them all back to Africa but they could not find a way to fund it. Back then they did not use money they did not have like they do so often today. The South's slave owners would have been paid back the cost of the slave and then the cost to return them.

Chris F
11-06-2009, 02:35 PM
Thanks. I wonder why no one else on here has talked about that.

I did not see play the man's post. But yes this has always been the goal of the North even through Reconstruction. The South gets blamed for being the racist but in fact the North was far worse. It was not till the carpetbaggers started breeding in the South that we had race issues. The South was content to work side by side with them. The North made laws keeping black out of their states and away from their jobs. Most Jim Crow laws originated in the North.

As for Abe I did not mention it before because I assumed it was common knowledge. I learned that in High School history. You must of had a football coach for your high school hisotry teacher. They tend to ignore anything not in their book.

donaldbreland
11-06-2009, 10:51 PM
Funny you say that chris because I did. See people today think that the KKK started out hating black and in fact that's not true. I am not defending them but they started out helping southerners from having everything taken away from the carpetbaggers. Then when the racism crap started so did the kkk start becoming racist.

Chris F
11-07-2009, 05:04 AM
Funny you say that chris because I did. See people today think that the KKK started out hating black and in fact that's not true. I am not defending them but they started out helping southerners from having everything taken away from the carpetbaggers. Then when the racism crap started so did the kkk start becoming racist.

There is a lot about southern history that has been distorted by carpetbaggers who wrote the history books. Once they started breeding their offspring were the ones who were the rasict of the 40's then their kids just kept it going. Early South and yes even the early KKK was not like that.