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adamt
10-31-2009, 02:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

has anyone else heard of this?

what do you think

donaldbreland
10-31-2009, 02:31 AM
I think Americans are getting tired of him. I think it's a matter of time before he gets impeached. He's going against everything our forefathers died for. Please people stand up and open your freaking eyes.

Conrad
10-31-2009, 08:04 PM
I think Americans are getting tired of him. I think it's a matter of time before he gets impeached. He's going against everything our forefathers died for. Please people stand up and open your freaking eyes.

Too bad we've forgotten what impeachment is. Many think it's a automatic removal from office. All it is in reality is being charged with a crime. We can already impeach him for overstepping his Constitutional boundaries. However, the body that does the impeachment proceedings holds a vested interest in him doing so because they do the same thing. In reality, impeach them all.

I just got a letter from my federal congresswoman talking abou the people-meeting tour she went on during the August break, as if it were a success. In fact, she canceled many of her appearances after walking out on one where people were egging her to talk louder so that the audience could hear. She wanted one-on-one conversations, but was in front of a crowd, so that was her excuse to leave and cancel a schedule. The she writes these lies in her newsletters? She's already voted to approve unconstitutional laws while telling me, in particular, that she would uphold the constitution. Obama isn't the only problem, nor is the Constitution-based system. It's a whole series of abusers. My congresswoman is only one example.

Tyburn
11-01-2009, 12:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

has anyone else heard of this?

what do you think


The Post-Modern British have always been better at Interpreting The American Constitution then the Post-Modern Americans, because The Post Modern British live in a world that the Post Modern Americans have been saved from by the very formation of that Constitution...which was nothing short of a Counter Culture from Pre-Enlightenment Americans, against Pre Enlightenment British.

However, I've never even heard of this treaty before, and he sounds like he has an agenda that he is appealing to the American people to halt. I would not take his word on this, but rather look into the treaty itself. My guess is this has nothing to do with any world government, and its probably a treaty that America can break anytime it wants to without fear...after all...if the world depends on American money...who pray tell is incharge? all she need do is threaten not to pay

what is so wrong about a world Government IF that world Government is essentially The Federal Government of The United States? Is that not a good thing? Perhaps sigining the document wont take power away from the US...but in essence, give MORE power to the US.

Besides...everyone knows the US is part of the UN...ergo she has already both extended and given up certain powers...the laugh is of course, all these "world Governments" are powerless to enforce anything..so it doesnt matter what she joins or signs up for...at best she uses these things to advance HER cause...and when they dont suit her...she ignores them and does what she likes anyway..

If I was you...i'd be more worried about The Lisbon Treaty...that Europe is about to Ratify...because it demands a "president of Europe" and guess who want that position...anyone hear remember Tony Blair??

oh yes he does...

Vizion
11-01-2009, 04:31 PM
what is so wrong about a world Government IF that world Government is essentially The Federal Government of The United States? Is that not a good thing? Perhaps sigining the document wont take power away from the US...but in essence, give MORE power to the US. The problem with a world government and America is it will usurp the American Constitution. And who will be elected to lead this world government?

Sounds like these events are unfolding into Biblical prophecy quite nicely.

Tyburn
11-01-2009, 05:05 PM
The problem with a world government and America is it will usurp the American Constitution. And who will be elected to lead this world government?

Sounds like these events are unfolding into Biblical prophecy quite nicely.

Its not unconstitutional for The American Government to rule the World. Its unconstitutional for the American Government to be rulled by a Higher Government...but if that higher Government is simply lifting the US Government and putting it incharge of more land...effectively the rest of the World would simply be extra states in the Union. Thus...rather then the World Rulling America, America would rule the world...and whilst its not something your forefathers ever had in mind...it couldnt be classed unconstitutional could it?

Not if the President of the United States, and President of The World Government ARE THE SAME because the United States Government IS or Becomes the World Government...it would simply be an expansion of the US Government and that is allowed...or else the US wouldnt allow additions to the Union...and it does!

Ergo...simply expand the union to cover the whole world....and suddenly its not unconstitutional at all...its expected

:laugh:

NateR
11-01-2009, 05:34 PM
The Post-Modern British have always been better at Interpreting The American Constitution then the Post-Modern Americans, because The Post Modern British live in a world that the Post Modern Americans have been saved from by the very formation of that Constitution...which was nothing short of a Counter Culture from Pre-Enlightenment Americans, against Pre Enlightenment British.

However, I've never even heard of this treaty before, and he sounds like he has an agenda that he is appealing to the American people to halt. I would not take his word on this, but rather look into the treaty itself. My guess is this has nothing to do with any world government, and its probably a treaty that America can break anytime it wants to without fear...after all...if the world depends on American money...who pray tell is incharge? all she need do is threaten not to pay

what is so wrong about a world Government IF that world Government is essentially The Federal Government of The United States? Is that not a good thing? Perhaps sigining the document wont take power away from the US...but in essence, give MORE power to the US.

Besides...everyone knows the US is part of the UN...ergo she has already both extended and given up certain powers...the laugh is of course, all these "world Governments" are powerless to enforce anything..so it doesnt matter what she joins or signs up for...at best she uses these things to advance HER cause...and when they dont suit her...she ignores them and does what she likes anyway..

If I was you...i'd be more worried about The Lisbon Treaty...that Europe is about to Ratify...because it demands a "president of Europe" and guess who want that position...anyone hear remember Tony Blair??

oh yes he does...

Its not unconstitutional for The American Government to rule the World. Its unconstitutional for the American Government to be rulled by a Higher Government...but if that higher Government is simply lifting the US Government and putting it incharge of more land...effectively the rest of the World would simply be extra states in the Union. Thus...rather then the World Rulling America, America would rule the world...and whilst its not something your forefathers ever had in mind...it couldnt be classed unconstitutional could it?

Not if the President of the United States, and President of The World Government ARE THE SAME because the United States Government IS or Becomes the World Government...it would simply be an expansion of the US Government and that is allowed...or else the US wouldnt allow additions to the Union...and it does!

Ergo...simply expand the union to cover the whole world....and suddenly its not unconstitutional at all...its expected

:laugh:

The problem is that ALL human government is evil. The Founding Fathers understood this and anyone who puts trust in the government or governing officials is an idiot. Period.

The Constitution was put in place to limit and restrict government power and the America that exists today is an abomination compared to what the Founding Fathers envisioned.

GOD is the source of human freedom and only when the citizens have more power than their own government can anyone be free. A one-world government will be evil and will strip everyone of their liberty.

If a nation has a tyrannical government, then it's people can always escape and flee to a better country with more freedom. However, if the world government is tyrannical (which it will be), then it's not so easy to flee to a less tyrannical planet. So, a one-world, human-run government (regardless of the form it takes) is a very, VERY bad idea.

Unfortunately, once the US is committed to something like this, it will take another world war for us to win our freedom again. But don't think that we Americans would hesitate to fight and kill to get that freedom back.

Tyburn
11-01-2009, 06:54 PM
The problem is that ALL human government is evil. The Founding Fathers understood this and anyone who puts trust in the government or governing officials is an idiot. Period.

The Constitution was put in place to limit and restrict government power and the America that exists today is an abomination compared to what the Founding Fathers envisioned.

GOD is the source of human freedom and only when the citizens have more power than their own government can anyone be free. A one-world government will be evil and will strip everyone of their liberty.

If a nation has a tyrannical government, then it's people can always escape and flee to a better country with more freedom. However, if the world government is tyrannical (which it will be), then it's not so easy to flee to a less tyrannical planet. So, a one-world, human-run government (regardless of the form it takes) is a very, VERY bad idea.

Unfortunately, once the US is committed to something like this, it will take another world war for us to win our freedom again. But don't think that we Americans would hesitate to fight and kill to get that freedom back.

Abomination? Are you certain of that. Unexpected...but unwanted?? Even by Lincolns time, and I truely class him as the last of the Consitutional Presidents that at least I've heard of, The United States was more then just thirteen Collonial outposts in a power sharing deal. At least at the Civil War you can say that America had not lost her Christian Light at Administrational Level

Of Course I heed the Revelational Warning...but let us be matter of fact for a moment, the happenings contained in that Prophecy are non negotiable. Whatever we think is right and good...a World Government WILL and MUST come into being, it is the Viechal through which GOD allows the Devil to corrupt the world, in person, during the Tribulation. But lets also be assured that its highly unlikely that the devil will appear the moment the Government is established...and then you have to define what a world government is

Some people say the United Nations IS a world Government...it certainly is the vast majority of nations working as a collective and issuing law. Some people say that the Financial System is a more subtle form of Government...did you not read what I put about Europe?

Twenty Years ago Margaret Thatcher stood on the Floor of the Commons and talked about "the back door to Federal Europe" Less the twenty years later There is a Union of States, that already partly dictates law at a country level, there is a sigle currency for most of Europe...and now an unpopular Treaty already dropped by Ireland...and illegaly revoted on, without the use of a Referendum...wants to set up a Permanent President of Europe...and Barring France...who do you suppose they want to get that office?

A Man who singlehandedly was responsible for an illigitamate war. A man who is possibly involved in the murder of a Scientist, a Man who was forced out of office, a man who The Americans now want to avoid, hence sending their own Envoy to the Middle East, A man whose official corrupt Government doesnt finish its term with an unellected Prime Minister, Who incidently was the Treasurer for a decade before a reccession that has seen us worse hit then the country of origin! a Government accused of Corruption on a Financial Level which is about to bring on prosecutions.

...and you want to talk to me about the Evils of Government?

Forgive me, but know that this world Government is going to happen. Rather it begin under American Regieme then a European...or GOD forbid, Oriental one.

...and you, the minority can fight all you like against its formation...but GOD has already said that it will happen. You CANT stop it, it is written in Scripture that the Anti-Christ will make such insitution his home...and thats at GODs behest...its non-negotiatable...so you fight all you want Mr Rosario...but GOD wills this insitution...or something like it, ergo...even with your freedom to bear arms, you will fail.

The only way to influence these organizations, is from the inside....I dont see you becoming a politician to stave off the End Times...so I guess thats settled. World Government it will be.

logrus
11-01-2009, 10:52 PM
The problem is that ALL human government is evil.

Sadly ours has been evil since day one lol

Tyburn
11-01-2009, 10:54 PM
Sadly ours has been evil since day one lol

I dont believe that. I believe that you were fine at least as long as up to the Civil War...after that, I dont know enough about American History to say.

I dont think all Government is Evil...I just think All Governments are open to corruption, like every single institution

Vizion
11-02-2009, 12:53 PM
Ergo...simply expand the union to cover the whole world....and suddenly its not unconstitutional at all...its expected First of all there is nothing simple about it. Secondly I'm not sure that this Copenhagen treaty will ensure our expansion. With a crumbling American economy what will America have to offer the world? Besides that coalescence of nations would be almost akin to the Tower of Babel. All nations united as one single one, devoid of the need for God?

Of course you scoff at the premise of the end times don't you? Frankly I hope this all happens, maybe it will usher in the return of Christ :happydancing:

Tyburn
11-02-2009, 01:23 PM
First of all there is nothing simple about it. Secondly I'm not sure that this Copenhagen treaty will ensure our expansion. With a crumbling American economy what will America have to offer the world? Besides that coalescence of nations would be almost akin to the Tower of Babel. All nations united as one single one, devoid of the need for God?

Of course you scoff at the premise of the end times don't you? Frankly I hope this all happens, maybe it will usher in the return of Christ :happydancing:

No I dont Scoff at all. I just know sooner or later this World Government WILL happen. You guys all act as if you can stop it or delay it by saying its a bad thing, not a clever idea, etc.

But GOD has chosen this. It will happen...if not under this Copenhagan Treaty (of which I know nothing about admittedly) it will under another. The point is, I highly doubt that any World Government of this day and age would work. We havent the ground swell for unity that is needed, the United Nations has prooved that

BUT

If this World Government is to start within my lifetime (remember, this world Government might rule the earth for centuries before the Anti-Christ comes...you dont know how long a Government might stay out of that level of deep corruption...for all you know, this Treaty creats an immaculate World Government that rules for thousands of years BEFORE turning sour. Now. I am guessing the Anti Christ doesnt CREATE the Government...Evil uses, it doesnt usually make something out of nothing, it takes something and changes it slightly...thats how it works, it doesnt really have the power to create, only to corrupt...ergo, before this World Government is Corrupted, it must exist...

Now I'm thinking at present there are three options for rule. The Orient, some resurgence of Communism driven by sheer man power and opporated from Russia, China, Japan etc...Sorry...I dont want that. The next option I see is a Federal Europe, something dangerously close to happening, something thats been moving for twenty years without people taking much notice...Are you Kidding? Angela Mirkle is a German, and we've had enough of that to last a life time, Sarkozy is French...over my dead body would he be incharge of Europe...and then there is Tony Blair...whose already played a part in ruining the first decade of the new millenia, his time has past

That leaves only one other possibility. Life under some kinda imperial Americanism.

Yes...Not bad, I could certainly live with that :)

eric84
11-02-2009, 03:30 PM
No I dont Scoff at all. I just know sooner or later this World Government WILL happen. You guys all act as if you can stop it or delay it by saying its a bad thing, not a clever idea, etc.

But GOD has chosen this. It will happen...if not under this Copenhagan Treaty (of which I know nothing about admittedly) it will under another. The point is, I highly doubt that any World Government of this day and age would work. We havent the ground swell for unity that is needed, the United Nations has prooved that

BUT

If this World Government is to start within my lifetime (remember, this world Government might rule the earth for centuries before the Anti-Christ comes...you dont know how long a Government might stay out of that level of deep corruption...for all you know, this Treaty creats an immaculate World Government that rules for thousands of years BEFORE turning sour. Now. I am guessing the Anti Christ doesnt CREATE the Government...Evil uses, it doesnt usually make something out of nothing, it takes something and changes it slightly...thats how it works, it doesnt really have the power to create, only to corrupt...ergo, before this World Government is Corrupted, it must exist...

Now I'm thinking at present there are three options for rule. The Orient, some resurgence of Communism driven by sheer man power and opporated from Russia, China, Japan etc...Sorry...I dont want that. The next option I see is a Federal Europe, something dangerously close to happening, something thats been moving for twenty years without people taking much notice...Are you Kidding? Angela Mirkle is a German, and we've had enough of that to last a life time, Sarkozy is French...over my dead body would he be incharge of Europe...and then there is Tony Blair...whose already played a part in ruining the first decade of the new millenia, his time has past

That leaves only one other possibility. Life under some kinda imperial Americanism.

Yes...Not bad, I could certainly live with that :)


We know the world will be full of wickedness, does that mean we should sit idly by and let it? We should do all we can to uphold our beliefs, regardless if we think no matter what we do it won't effect it. Unless God commanded us to create a world government(which he did not), we have every right to keep it from happening, and perhaps it's even our duty to. Also I'm curious as to what scriptures you look for having a world government, not saying it isn't there, but I've seen a lot of different ones people use concerning this topic.

In the world today, I don't see a world government being possible, but you never know what will happen in a few years, especially with how downhill things have been going.