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Race-Baiting Opposition to Rush Limbaugh's Bid for the NFL's St. Louis Rams
October 13, 2009 11:13 AM ET | Peter Roff | Permanent Link | Print
By Peter Roff, Thomas Jefferson Street blog

Washington lawyer DeMaurice Smith wants talk radio's Rush Limbaugh to fail.

Smith, the executive director of the National Football League Players' Association, is trying to make America's football players part of an effort to oppose a bid by Limbaugh and others to purchase the St. Louis Rams football franchise.

In an e-mail to the union's executive committee, ESPN reported Sunday, Smith said he had spoken to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell about the possibility of the league awarding the franchise to Limbaugh and his co-bidders, raising concerns about it while using the language of Limbaugh's political opponents in describing him by implication as a divisive figure who stands for "discrimination and hatred."

It is, to say the least, unusual for a players' union official to take a public position on who should or should not be allowed to purchase a team. Picking a fight with Rush Limbaugh, a Missouri native and self-described football fanatic whose daily radio broadcast has millions of listeners is an activity that doesn't appear to be in the best interests of the sport or the players whom Smith represents. On its face it seems more about political activism than labor relations.

While Smith may be new to football, he's an old political hand—and a well connected one. As the Associated Press reported, Smith was "an NFL outsider" who had no labor law experience to speak of when he was unanimously elected to head the union. What he did have was "ties to President Barack Obama" and a previous working relationship with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, for whom he worked as a counsel during the Clinton administration when Holder was deputy U.S. attorney general.

Is this simply coincidental? Smith's previous political relationships and his current political allegiances—he is listed as a contributor to Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign—may have nothing at all to do with his picking a public fight with the guy the White House likes to complain about the most. But it sure is curious.

On the other hand, Limbaugh bashing is not new. Back in May, amid the continuing controversy over Limbaugh's remark that he wanted President Obama "to fail" in his efforts to expand the social welfare state, former Clinton pollster Stan Greenberg released a poll purporting to show the radio broadcaster was a drag on the GOP.

Thinking this was the basis of a winning political strategy—and with Obama at a better than 70 percent approval rating at the time perhaps it was—it was off to the races for every Democrat from the White House on down to see who could throw Limbaugh's name around the most. Now that Obama's numbers are out of the stratosphere things are arguably different.

Enter Smith, who has opened up a race-baiting effort to keep Limbaugh's name in the headlines in a most unproductive way. It's fair to ask how such an effort is in the best interests of football, the players and the fans.

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Crisco
10-15-2009, 03:15 PM
Why do you think they have like no black owners.

donaldbreland
10-16-2009, 06:17 AM
I think the Viking have a black owner so lets not turn this into a race war like everyone else does.

Crisco
10-16-2009, 01:27 PM
I think the Viking have a black owner so lets not turn this into a race war like everyone else does.

was a joke

flo
10-16-2009, 06:12 PM
a divisive figure who stands for "discrimination and hatred."

WTH is he talking about? Isn't it just great when people in a position of power use language like that without backing it up? And this guy is a LAWYER!!?!

Is he talking about the McNabb quote? The sports media at the time was cutting the guy a lot of slack for his lackluster performances, that was the conclusion Rush came to (and he was probably right), there was nothing hateful or discriminatory about it!! If anything, this lawyer is hateful and discriminating.

Rush is an ENTERTAINER who has loads of political savvy and is a proud conservative with a huge audience. Many non-conservatives just can't handle that (hence the repeated efforts to try to enact the "fairness doctrine", ((fairness, that's a laugh)) ).

The NFL has no problem, however, with Ray Lewis or Michael Vick, apparently. But gawd forbid a famous conservative would want to be part of a consortium to buy a team.

Just LOVE the hypocrisy on display here.

flo
10-17-2009, 01:27 AM
Now see, this is what I'm talkin' about!

"NFL owners who use the n word and wet their pants on stage"

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/sright/2009/10/16/nfl-owners-who-use-the-n-word-and-wet-their-pants-on-stage/

flo
10-17-2009, 01:37 AM
BTW, Rick Sanchez issued a retraction and apology on CNN today.

But, hey, he still got the result he wanted, didn't he? I hope Rush sues anyway.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10/15/cnn-anchor-rick-sanchez-assembling-pile-retractions

J.B.
10-17-2009, 05:49 PM
WTH is he talking about? Isn't it just great when people in a position of power use language like that without backing it up? And this guy is a LAWYER!!?!

Is he talking about the McNabb quote? The sports media at the time was cutting the guy a lot of slack for his lackluster performances, that was the conclusion Rush came to (and he was probably right), there was nothing hateful or discriminatory about it!! If anything, this lawyer is hateful and discriminating.

Rush is an ENTERTAINER who has loads of political savvy and is a proud conservative with a huge audience. Many non-conservatives just can't handle that (hence the repeated efforts to try to enact the "fairness doctrine", ((fairness, that's a laugh)) ).

The NFL has no problem, however, with Ray Lewis or Michael Vick, apparently. But gawd forbid a famous conservative would want to be part of a consortium to buy a team.

Just LOVE the hypocrisy on display here.

What Rush said about Mcnabb was total crap. The league has a rich history that is full of legends of all races. The league and the media don't need to sugar coat anything just because he is black, and anybody who knows anything about how the fans and media in Philly are, they know that they are really hard on all their teams and players. I don't think he got much slack, considering there was constant talks of him being on his way out of town..:laugh:

Mcnabb IS a good quarterback and the records don't lie.

NFL records

Most consecutive pass completions, 24; vs New York Giants, Nov. 28, 2004; vs Green Bay Packers, Dec. 5, 2004

Least-intercepted quarterback per pass attempt of all time, (4303 attempts-90 interceptions, 2.09%)

Third-best touchdown-to-interception ratio of all time, (194-90, 2.16) behind Steve Young (232-107, 2.17) and Tom Brady (197-86, 2.29)

One of six quarterbacks of all time to have over 25,000 passing yards and 3,000 rushing yards (alongside Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Steve McNair, and John Elway)

Currently the third-highest winning percentage among active quarterbacks (83-45-1, .647) behind Peyton Manning (119-59-0, .669) and Tom Brady (88-25-0, .779)
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Eagles records

Most Career Attempts (4,303)

Most Pass Completions (2534)

Most Passing Yards (29,320)

Most Passing Touchdowns (194)

Most Single-Season Completions (345, 2008 season)

Most Single-Season Yards (3,916, 2008 season)

Most NFC Championship Appearances (5)

So yeah, Rush is pretty much an idiot on that one....

It's those kind of statements that draw controversial attention to Rush, and it's the reason the group of investors chose not to work with him on this investment. I don't think it's any sort of NFL conspiracy to keep him out.

flo
10-18-2009, 12:01 AM
Here, JB, read this. It's hardly a conservative rag.

http://www.slate.com/id/2089193/


I am more than willing to bet not one of your stats is from the time Rush made that comment, 2003. So what you posted really has no bearing on his statement as Rush was talking about 2003, not predicting the future.

He is anything but an idiot. BTW, he wasn't talking about the Philly media alone, he was talking about sports media in general.

You're also wrong about why the group of investors chose not to work with him. I'm sure they were well aware of his past statements; it happens to be the LIES Rick Sanchez attributed to him - parroted by Jackson, Sharpton, et al - that caused the "distraction" to make them opt out of partnership with him.

Of course, I'm only going by their own public statement, I can't read their minds.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
10-18-2009, 02:13 AM
BTW, Rick Sanchez issued a retraction and apology on CNN today.

But, hey, he still got the result he wanted, didn't he? I hope Rush sues anyway.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10/15/cnn-anchor-rick-sanchez-assembling-pile-retractions

I didn't know this had been posted when I started my thread!

flo
10-18-2009, 03:08 AM
I didn't know this had been posted when I started my thread!

lol, I don't think it was, he posted it late yesterday afternoon on his Twitter acct. and then CNN.

Well, I didn't mean to argue so vociferously (sorry, JB!) but as you can probably tell, I'm a Rush fan and have been for years. If people don't like him, his style, his politics, his looks - OK, I can dig it - we all have different tastes. But I find it very scary that a journalist can affect someone's right to offer to invest in a team by perpetuating the worst untruths about that person. For political reasons alone.

And I thought his apology on twitter, "Our bad", says a lot about Rich Sanchez's character.

J.B.
10-18-2009, 04:06 AM
Here, JB, read this. It's hardly a conservative rag.

http://www.slate.com/id/2089193/


I am more than willing to bet not one of your stats is from the time Rush made that comment, 2003. So what you posted really has no bearing on his statement as Rush was talking about 2003, not predicting the future.

He is anything but an idiot. BTW, he wasn't talking about the Philly media alone, he was talking about sports media in general.

You're also wrong about why the group of investors chose not to work with him. I'm sure they were well aware of his past statements; it happens to be the LIES Rick Sanchez attributed to him - parroted by Jackson, Sharpton, et al - that caused the "distraction" to make them opt out of partnership with him.

Of course, I'm only going by their own public statement, I can't read their minds.

It doesn't matter that it was 2003, Rush tried to say that Mcnabb has never been a good QB and he was wrong, not like that's a first. The numbers I posted are CAREER records, so obviously they are deeper than just 03, but that's not the point. Go look up his career stats, even in 2003 when the Eagles were slipping, he passed for over 3,000 yards. Proof that Rush was just talking out his ass. Also, if Rush is such a genius, and he thought Mcnabb was garbage from the start, he really did miss the boat after looking at the numbers I posted in my last response. :rolleyes:

I'm not wrong about why they chose to work with him. You are just not looking at what I am actually saying, and reading my words as if I am some sort of "anti-Rush" guy, but thats not the case. It does not matter if the quote about slavery is bogus, Rush draws a lot of controversy just being Rush, and for that it is my opinion that the guy is better off not being involved with an NFL team. I'm not saying if he DID own a team that it would be bad or anything, just that I see his status as a distraction.

Sometimes things ARE what they seem, and this is one of those cases. There is no conspiracy against conservatives here, even though I'm sure Rush will be saying the opposite on his radio show for the next few months.

flo
10-18-2009, 05:35 AM
Well, you didn't read the article I posted, it talked about McNabb's first 3 years and that his stats were nothing to brag about. Here is the actual Rush quote:

"I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

He didn't say McNabb was never a good quarterback. He didn't say McNabb was garbage. I never said Rush was a genius. Those are all your words.

It doesn't change the fact that McNabb was not doing a stellar job in '03 and this was Rush's opinion as to what he felt the media wanted.

It DOES matter that the supposed "quotes" about slavery, etc. were lies, that's what started the whole brouhaha. Where did I say there was a conspiracy? Are you really saying you don't think all the bleating with the fake quotes wasn't political? Then what was it? Why did Rick Sanchez say it on CNN?

There are just as many "controversial" owners in the NFL as in any other sport. This was a concerted, partisan effort to deny Rush the opportunity to buy in with the consortium.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Obviously, neither of us is going to be swayed.

flo
10-18-2009, 05:53 AM
Plus, I just like to argue.

:wink:

J.B.
10-18-2009, 07:10 AM
Well, you didn't read the article I posted, it talked about McNabb's first 3 years and that his stats were nothing to brag about. Here is the actual Rush quote:

"I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

He didn't say McNabb was never a good quarterback. He didn't say McNabb was garbage. I never said Rush was a genius. Those are all your words.

It doesn't change the fact that McNabb was not doing a stellar job in '03 and this was Rush's opinion as to what he felt the media wanted.

It DOES matter that the supposed "quotes" about slavery, etc. were lies, that's what started the whole brouhaha. Where did I say there was a conspiracy? Are you really saying you don't think all the bleating with the fake quotes wasn't political? Then what was it? Why did Rick Sanchez say it on CNN?

There are just as many "controversial" owners in the NFL as in any other sport. This was a concerted, partisan effort to deny Rush the opportunity to buy in with the consortium.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Obviously, neither of us is going to be swayed.

I know the quote, and I would not have commented if I didn't. I'm sorry, but no, I did not read that entire article, I simply looked it over. I don't need to read something I already know. Mcnabb DID get a lot of flack for not living up to every sport-writer's and fanboy's unrealistic expectations of a third year QB, that's how it works in football.

Isn't that the crux of Rush's arguement? That Mcnabb did NOT get enough negative press because he is black? Doesn't the fact that a crapload of people were talking about him in a negative light and the fact that there were talks of trading him disprove that theory? :wacko:

Also, let's fast forward to 2009. Mcnabb has been scrutinized his whole career for one thing or another, yet he is still one of the best QB's in the league, and he is a legit hall of fame candidate. How can anybody actually believe that there is or was some sort of media conspiracy to overrate him simply because he is black? I am not trying to be rude, but that simply defies the laws of rational thought. Like I already said before, the NFL has stars of all races, there is no need for them to push a black QB on their fans.

Besides, it's not like all football fans are stupid meatheads. When fans see a player perform bad, they call him out. If the NFL and the media made some sort of grand scheme to push a player who sucked, it would not last long. It's like Kimbo Slice, the UFC is only gonna let him lose so many times before they show him the door. NFL fans don't care about color unless it's the one on their jerseys, all they care about is winning.

Rush said "I don't think he's been that good from the get-go..." which is equal to saying he's never been a good QB...that one is easy to see. Yes, you are right, the term "garbage" was my addition to the conversation, but when put in context, it's clear to see what I meant. No, you did not call Rush a genius, I was simply driving home my point that he was wrong about Mcnabb.

You also did not use the word "conspiracy", but that's pretty much the gist of what is being thrown around. Some people are trying make it seem like the NFL is out to keep Rush out of the league, and that's not the case. It's not the NFL who did anything to Rush, it was the group of investors who decided to drop him. Was it political? Hell yeah it was political. Why? Because Rush is a POLITICAL CELEBRITY. I am not saying it is okay to make up lies about the guy, not at all. I am just saying that when you are in the line of work he is in, and you have as big of a target on your head as he does, it can create a distraction that is not good for business. It's sad that things are like that, but it's just a fact of life. Sure, places like CNN and other media outlets that cater to the left are going to attack Rush, that is nothing new, but this is not something that comes from the high ranks of the NFL looking to keep him out. Heck, the league President, Roger Goodell, is married to Jane Skinner who is an anchor for FOX News, and her father was White House Chief of Staff under Geroge H.W. Bush. So, I think it's safe to say that he is a conservative, lol.

Going back to the link you posted earlier about Fergie, Serena Williams, and Jenifer Lopez, good luck convincing the general public that those three are more controversial than Limbaugh. Sure, they may have some controversial lyrics from time to time, drop an F-bomb or two, maybe even piss themselves on stage, but they are not the same kind of celebrity that Rush is. He is under intense scrutiny at all times because he is a celebrity simply for giving opinions, and we all know that politics is a nasty game. I never knew, or cared, that any of those three are minority owners, but as soon as Rush decided to put his name in the hat it became front page news. What do you think would happen if he actually did have ownership? My opinion is that it would just bring unneeded drama to the team and to the sports media in St. Louis.

Really, be mad at the liberal media and leftards for attacking Rush, that is legit, but taking it to the next level and blaming the league or even drumming up old news and false theories about media bias towards black players is ridiculous at the least and ultra paranoid at worst, that's all I'm really saying.

:)

flo
10-18-2009, 06:33 PM
I see where you're coming from and you make many good points. I do agree with you on several of them and - I concede that had Rush become a part-owner, maybe it would have been a big distraction for the Rams and their fans and community.

Anyway, I still don't agree with all but am conceding to some.

:cool:

donaldbreland
10-19-2009, 12:03 AM
JB Mcnabb is no where near one of the top QB'S in the league. Why do you think they brought in Vick for. They didn't need him. Wasn't it just last year when coach Reid benched him for a game.
Talking about stats. He is not in the top ten in qb rating. Here's the list.
1 Peyton Manning, QB IND 181 133 73.5 1645 9.09 80 12 4 2 114.1 329
2 Eli Manning, QB NYG 135 87 64.4 1212 8.98 55 10 2 2 111.7 242
3 Drew Brees, QB NOR 129 87 67.4 1031 7.99 58 9 2 4 108.4 258
4 Brett Favre, QB MIN 149 103 69.1 1069 7.17 47 9 2 11 104.1 214
5 Matt Hasselbeck, QB SEA 84 53 63.1 617 7.35 44 7 2 2 103.1 206
6 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 123 82 66.7 977 7.94 90 7 2 2 102.9 244
7 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 172 127 73.8 1470 8.55 51 8 5 13 102.6 294
8 Aaron Rodgers, QB GNB 127 77 60.6 1098 8.65 62 6 1 20 101.1 275
9 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 179 115 64.2 1418 7.92 72 10 4 8 97.9 284
10 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 165 104 63.0 1236 7.49 87 7 1 8 97.4 247
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
11 Philip Rivers, QB SDG 150 88 58.7 1245 8.30 81 6 3 10 90.6 311
12 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 182 117 64.3 1289 7.08 72 9 5 7 90.2 258
13 Kurt Warner, QB ARI 160 106 66.3 1165 7.28 40 6 4 8 89.7 291
14 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 129 83 64.3 901 6.98 68 8 5 8 89.3 225
15 Kevin Kolb, QB PHI 96 62 64.6 741 7.72 71 4 3 3 88.9 185
16 Jason Campbell, QB WAS 147 98 66.7 1108 7.54 59 6 5 13 88.5 222
17 David Garrard, QB JAC 169 100 59.2 1129 6.68 34 5 1 11 86.6 226
18 Tony Romo, QB DAL 165 96 58.2 1341 8.13 80 6 4 9 86.5 268
19 Tom Brady, QB NWE 207 127 61.4 1344 6.49 36 6 2 5 85.9 269
20 Matt Cassel, QB KAN 130 76 58.5 711 5.47 43 7 2 14 85.1 178
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
21 Seneca Wallace, QB SEA 112 74 66.1 645 5.76 39 3 2 8 82.6 129
22 Marc Bulger, QB STL 75 42 56.0 427 5.69 45 2 0 5 81.4 107
23 Shaun Hill, QB SFO 144 81 56.3 898 6.24 61 5 2 16 80.7 180
24 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 168 97 57.7 1116 6.64 73 7 6 10 76.9 223
25 Chad Pennington, QB MIA 74 51 68.9 413 5.58 21 1 2 6 76.0 138
26 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 134 75 56.0 916 6.84 53 5 5 10 74.1 183
27 Trent Edwards, QB BUF 148 86 58.1 942 6.37 43 5 6 18 71.4 188
28 Byron Leftwich, QB TAM 107 58 54.2 594 5.55 47 4 3 2 71.2 198
29 Kerry Collins, QB TEN 185 106 57.3 1078 5.83 69 5 7 6 67.4 216
30 Kyle Boller, QB STL 86 49 57.0 481 5.59 35 2 3 7 66.1 160
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
31 Matthew Stafford, QB DET 139 79 56.8 894 6.43 64 3 6 10 65.5 224
32 Brady Quinn, QB CLE 74 45 60.8 400 5.41 26 1 3 10 62.9 133
33 Jake Delhomme, QB CAR 116 70 60.3 782 6.74 32 3 8 10 60.3 196
34 Josh Johnson, QB TAM 82 43 52.4 382 4.66 31 3 4 6 57.1 96
35 JaMarcus Russell, QB OAK 121 51 42.1 606 5.01 57 1 4 15 47.1 121
36 Derek Anderson, QB CLE 84 39 46.4 384 4.57 30 1 5 4 39.0 128

In fact I didn't even see him on the list.

J.B.
10-19-2009, 01:46 AM
JB Mcnabb is no where near one of the top QB'S in the league. Why do you think they brought in Vick for. They didn't need him. Wasn't it just last year when coach Reid benched him for a game.
Talking about stats. He is not in the top ten in qb rating. Here's the list.
1 Peyton Manning, QB IND 181 133 73.5 1645 9.09 80 12 4 2 114.1 329
2 Eli Manning, QB NYG 135 87 64.4 1212 8.98 55 10 2 2 111.7 242
3 Drew Brees, QB NOR 129 87 67.4 1031 7.99 58 9 2 4 108.4 258
4 Brett Favre, QB MIN 149 103 69.1 1069 7.17 47 9 2 11 104.1 214
5 Matt Hasselbeck, QB SEA 84 53 63.1 617 7.35 44 7 2 2 103.1 206
6 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 123 82 66.7 977 7.94 90 7 2 2 102.9 244
7 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 172 127 73.8 1470 8.55 51 8 5 13 102.6 294
8 Aaron Rodgers, QB GNB 127 77 60.6 1098 8.65 62 6 1 20 101.1 275
9 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 179 115 64.2 1418 7.92 72 10 4 8 97.9 284
10 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 165 104 63.0 1236 7.49 87 7 1 8 97.4 247
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
11 Philip Rivers, QB SDG 150 88 58.7 1245 8.30 81 6 3 10 90.6 311
12 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 182 117 64.3 1289 7.08 72 9 5 7 90.2 258
13 Kurt Warner, QB ARI 160 106 66.3 1165 7.28 40 6 4 8 89.7 291
14 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 129 83 64.3 901 6.98 68 8 5 8 89.3 225
15 Kevin Kolb, QB PHI 96 62 64.6 741 7.72 71 4 3 3 88.9 185
16 Jason Campbell, QB WAS 147 98 66.7 1108 7.54 59 6 5 13 88.5 222
17 David Garrard, QB JAC 169 100 59.2 1129 6.68 34 5 1 11 86.6 226
18 Tony Romo, QB DAL 165 96 58.2 1341 8.13 80 6 4 9 86.5 268
19 Tom Brady, QB NWE 207 127 61.4 1344 6.49 36 6 2 5 85.9 269
20 Matt Cassel, QB KAN 130 76 58.5 711 5.47 43 7 2 14 85.1 178
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
21 Seneca Wallace, QB SEA 112 74 66.1 645 5.76 39 3 2 8 82.6 129
22 Marc Bulger, QB STL 75 42 56.0 427 5.69 45 2 0 5 81.4 107
23 Shaun Hill, QB SFO 144 81 56.3 898 6.24 61 5 2 16 80.7 180
24 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 168 97 57.7 1116 6.64 73 7 6 10 76.9 223
25 Chad Pennington, QB MIA 74 51 68.9 413 5.58 21 1 2 6 76.0 138
26 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 134 75 56.0 916 6.84 53 5 5 10 74.1 183
27 Trent Edwards, QB BUF 148 86 58.1 942 6.37 43 5 6 18 71.4 188
28 Byron Leftwich, QB TAM 107 58 54.2 594 5.55 47 4 3 2 71.2 198
29 Kerry Collins, QB TEN 185 106 57.3 1078 5.83 69 5 7 6 67.4 216
30 Kyle Boller, QB STL 86 49 57.0 481 5.59 35 2 3 7 66.1 160
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
31 Matthew Stafford, QB DET 139 79 56.8 894 6.43 64 3 6 10 65.5 224
32 Brady Quinn, QB CLE 74 45 60.8 400 5.41 26 1 3 10 62.9 133
33 Jake Delhomme, QB CAR 116 70 60.3 782 6.74 32 3 8 10 60.3 196
34 Josh Johnson, QB TAM 82 43 52.4 382 4.66 31 3 4 6 57.1 96
35 JaMarcus Russell, QB OAK 121 51 42.1 606 5.01 57 1 4 15 47.1 121
36 Derek Anderson, QB CLE 84 39 46.4 384 4.57 30 1 5 4 39.0 128

In fact I didn't even see him on the list.

Clearly you are a bit misguided my friend. Anybody can pull up stats, but if you can't put them into context then it's pointless. :wink:

Mcnabb has only played 2 games this season because he was injured, so that is not a fair comparison by any means when trying determine where he lies in relation to other QB's. Yeah, Reid did bench him for a game, but that happens. Kurt Warner was riding the bench for Matt Leinart here in Arizona just a couple seasons ago, and I think we all know Warner is a Hall of Famer. Mcnabb helped take that same Eagles team to last year's NFC championship. So, unless it's just blind Rush Limbaugh love talking, I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that Mcnabb is not a good QB.

The Eagles brought in Michael Vick because of his versatility and to test the waters with him at backup QB and possibly to run the wildcat formation more often. Not as a replacement to Mcnabb, at least not RIGHT NOW. Maybe if Mcnabb gets hurt or retires, but not right now. If you REALLY think they brought in Vick to replace Mcnabb, I suggest you start watching more football. :laugh:

flo
10-19-2009, 01:50 AM
True, all that. Our poor team (the Seahawks, I know, I know...) has had an injured quarterback for most of this year and Matt Hasselbeck has been injured on and off for several years, so his stats are misleading also.

VCURamFan
10-19-2009, 01:55 AM
FYI, my RAIDERS just sacked McNabb 6 times today. Just my 2 coppers for this conversations.:Whistle:















(actually, I'm just stoked about our win & wanted to boast somewhere!:laugh:)

J.B.
10-19-2009, 02:01 AM
True, all that. Our poor team (the Seahawks, I know, I know...) has had an injured quarterback for most of this year and Matt Hasselbeck has been injured on and off for several years, so his stats are misleading also.

:laugh:

Sorry, not trying to be mean, but man it felt good watching the Cards whoop their butt today! :tongue0011:

J.B.
10-19-2009, 02:03 AM
FYI, my RAIDERS just sacked McNabb 6 times today. Just my 2 coppers for this conversations.:Whistle:

(actually, I'm just stoked about our win & wanted to boast somewhere!:laugh:)

Hey, I'm not an Eagles fan, I just call it like I see it. Mcnabb is a good QB.

Yeah, your Raiders need all the help they can get, so good for them.

Nobody had a better day than Tom Brady though, that game today was just ridiculous.

VCURamFan
10-19-2009, 02:25 AM
Hey, I'm not an Eagles fan, I just call it like I see it. Mcnabb is a good QB.

Yeah, your Raiders need all the help they can get, so good for them.

Nobody had a better day than Tom Brady though, that game today was just ridiculous.
Haha, I know you're a cards fan, JB, I think everyone around here does (especially Chuck!).:laugh:

Yeesh, after the terrible game last weak plus the bullspit reversal we had against the Chargers in week one, we have not had the best season, let alone half decade.

donaldbreland
10-19-2009, 02:32 AM
OK JB. I will say your right about this season. But what about last season.

He was barely made the top 15 qbs in the NFL. He was 15th

donaldbreland
10-19-2009, 02:36 AM
The truth is I really don't know much about Rush but why is it every time a white conservative speak his mind, does the media and people have to call him a racist.

I actually do like Mcnabb but I don't think he is a great quarterback. I think he is maybe in the top 20 of the league right now. I do however blame that on the Eagles. I think if he went to the Carolina Panthers he would be a better QB. So I guess what I'm saying is he has to be good to be where he is at but as of right now I can't say he has done anything more than Jim Kelly or even a Steve Deberg for that matter,

donaldbreland
10-19-2009, 02:38 AM
Arizona brought is Warner to back up Lienhart. They wanted Linehart to learn off of him. Linehart wasn't doing his job so they put the right man in there for the job. Please show me a stat where Donovan can be compaired to the top 20 QB's of all time.

flo
10-19-2009, 03:32 AM
:laugh:

Sorry, not trying to be mean, but man it felt good watching the Cards whoop their butt today! :tongue0011:

:sad:

That's OK. Our team did great last week and then to lose so bad today, sheesh, doesn't look too good for the rest of the year. We quit watching and worked outside...

flo
10-19-2009, 03:34 AM
Of course, the Raiders suck too so I don't feel so bad...



bwahaaahaahaaa

flo
10-19-2009, 03:36 AM
OK, there's something we can all agree on, Tom Brady is AWESOME!!!!!!!

flo
10-19-2009, 03:46 AM
Whenever I see Tom Brady, I think of this SNL skit:

"Sexual Harassment and You"

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=59670

(Warning, slightly risque so don't watch if you're easily offended)

J.B.
10-19-2009, 04:02 AM
Ok Donald, I already posted this earlier, but here it is again....

NFL records for Mcnabb
Most consecutive pass completions, 24; vs New York Giants, Nov. 28, 2004; vs Green Bay Packers, Dec. 5, 2004

Least-intercepted quarterback per pass attempt of all time, (4303 attempts-90 interceptions, 2.09%)

Third-best touchdown-to-interception ratio of all time, (194-90, 2.16) behind Steve Young (232-107, 2.17) and Tom Brady (197-86, 2.29)

One of six quarterbacks of all time to have over 25,000 passing yards and 3,000 rushing yards (alongside Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Steve McNair, and John Elway)

Currently the third-highest winning percentage among active quarterbacks (83-45-1, .647) behind Peyton Manning (119-59-0, .669) and Tom Brady (88-25-0, .779)

Three of those records that I put in bold are perfect examples of Mcnabb stacking up against ALL TIME records. The proof is in the pudding, the guy is a good QB. So what if he was ranked 15th last season? The Eagles went to the NFC Championship last season, and they would not have done it without him.

The reason Leinart got such a push is because the Cardinals felt like they were lucky to get him when they drafted him. Nobody thought he would be around when the 10th pick came up. So the Cards jumped on it and Dennis Green made the mistake of pushing him too soon. Rookie QB's don't learn from Veterans during training camps and practices. They learn by sitting on the bench and watching how it's done. Steve Young did it for Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers had to do it for Bret Favre, and now Leinart is doing it for Warner. I still have faith in Leinart that he can be good if he keeps working hard the next couple years until Kurt retires.

I completely agree that liberals are playing the race card way too much against conservatives, but that is only because it's an easy stereotype to lump white conservatives into. It's not even worth it to try and argue with people who do that because they are just speaking blindly or trying to use shock value to tear down their opposition. In today's society, people who fail to gain the intellectual high ground in a debate will ultimately try to find another way to discredit their opposition. Using terms like "racist" or "Nazi" have a very distinct negative connotation to them that immediately has an effect. Unlike deep, intellectually sound, and well formulated opinions which require ACTUAL THOUGHT, calling someone a racist or nazi just cuts right to the chase and expresses the person's TRUE feeling (which is generally, I don't like you, or your stupid opinion :laugh: )

Here is one of the founding fathers of the race card....
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/5/54/Racecard.jpg

donaldbreland
10-19-2009, 04:53 AM
JB I don't even know how I missed the stats from earlier but they are decent numbers. I still think Rush was not given a fair shot at owning a football team though.

J.B.
10-19-2009, 05:25 AM
JB I don't even know how I missed the stats from earlier but they are decent numbers. I still think Rush was not given a fair shot at owning a football team though.

Oh, I totally agree that Rush did not get treated fairly, and it's not right, but it's pretty much just how it works with political celebrities. They get attacked constantly by their opponents and a lot of times it messes up their lives.

Personally, I have no problem with Rush Limbaugh, the man, being an NFL owner. I just think that Rush Limbaugh, the giant political celebrity, might draw some unwanted negative attention to a team.

VCURamFan
10-19-2009, 03:31 PM
Of course, the Raiders suck too so I don't feel so bad...



bwahaaahaahaaa
Har har, you're soooooooooo hilarious. :muttering:

J.B.
10-21-2009, 07:11 PM
I just read this article today on Yahoo Sports, and the writer Jason Cole had some really interesting points on the whole Rush/Mcnabb saga from 03. I know this is a dead issue, but I just thought I would throw this up here.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AiRTf0lyv8mmQKwMGazwLQVDubYF?slug=jc-directsnap102009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

This is the part that about the Mcnabb drama
Here’s the rub: When Limbaugh injected race into the evaluation of the media and McNabb, did he actually talk to any sports reporters or research their writing to gauge how they were evaluating McNabb? Over the weekend, 17 long-time NFL reporters (including Peter King of Sports Illustrated, Jarrett Bell of USA Today and Armando Salguero of The Miami Herald) were asked if they had ever been contacted by Limbaugh or a representative of Limbaugh regarding McNabb. Further, they were asked if they knew any sports writers who had been contacted by Limbaugh or one of his reps regarding McNabb.

All 17 said “no” and “no”.

So apparently, Limbaugh made an assumption based on no research about sports writers and how we think. (Note: An email was sent to Limbaugh on Monday asking several questions about this subject. As of publication, Limbaugh had yet to respond).

The fact is that through McNabb’s first four seasons (he was drafted in 1999 and Limbaugh made the comment early in the 2003 season), his statistics and accomplishments were on par with current Hall of Famers Joe Montana, Troy Aikman and John Elway, and future Hall of Famer Brett Favre(notes). In fact, he had a better touchdown pass-to-interception ratio (71-38) than all four of those quarterbacks through their first four years (Favre was 70-53, Montana 52-32, Aikman 54-60 and Elway 66-65).

As for team accomplishments, McNabb led the Eagles to the consecutive NFC championship games following the 2001 and ’02 seasons. Of the four aforementioned fellow quarterbacks, only Montana had won a Super Bowl during that stage of his career.

In terms of race, while it’s hard for anyone to ignore another person’s skin color, that doesn’t mean that we all fall into some social trap of judging someone based on that fact. For instance, I can confidently say that I consider McNabb one of the top five or six quarterbacks in the game today. By contrast, I can also confidently say that I think Vince Young(notes) will never make it as a quarterback in the NFL.

Max
10-21-2009, 07:53 PM
Ok first off, McNabb's QB rating as of today is 93.8 which has him tied for 11th.

second, its up to the NFL if they want Rush in or not. A lot of the owners in the NFL are republicans so its not like it the Dems trying to keep Rush out (even though that is what Rush wants to make it out to be).