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Spiritwalker
10-14-2009, 04:07 AM
So as not to derail any other threads.. Join in, one way or the other.. or just sit back and enjoy the show...

First Off Dave... I do like you. You seem to be earnest.. but horribly nieve. That isn't a bad thing at all.. just sometimes not very realistic...

So everything I say.. take with a grain of salt.. I do find you to be a pretty OK guy.

1) Yes, but that doesnt mean I need to engage you in conversation, and it doesnt mean my replies to someone else, are to you. You pick up points I made in context of specific statements to JB...

I have not adressed a lot of what you have said over the past few years out of "he's such a child" and not very worldly".. but now your really bashing on my country in a way that is not accurate at all. So I jumped in.


and then missapply them you yourself as if I'd made them about something you said. I NEVER asked. Thats the point. I asked JB.

well.. I decided to answer for me. Not him.

As for sympathy, I dont know you, I dont know if your story is true, I dont know whether you've made it up for the sheer sake of trying to proove me wrong.

Why would I make something up, you compared Jens' life.. to me.. you alluded to the fact that I don't know what "pain" is.. so I enlightened you.



Your hostility by springing from nowhere to a full frontal attack on subjects like mental health.

And the way Americans act.

Junie is a meaningless example.

Well said.


The venom with which you have to reply to every single line of text I offer. The venom with which you promise your returns if I speak out on certain issues.

You are NOT speaking out of turn. "Public Forum", so you can say pretty much whatever you want. I am only taking you to task on what you said.

If you dont understand what I mean, ask for clarity.

I dounderstand what you mean. "Us lously Americans, and sucessful people need to take care of everyone.. When we don't.. that makes us the "soon to be armpit" of the world.


I'm not telling you what is wrong as an Englishman. If you want to be racist thats fine,

How the hell am I a racists? If ANYTHING... you should say I am predijucied against Europeans... which I am not..

but I'm only repeating the obvious understanding of what your forefathers held to. This isnt some Englishman telling you how America should be. This is some Englishman, echoing what YOUR OWN Forefathers have already made clear.

By your interpretation.. based on your experiences. You say my forefathers were specifically talking about the Christian God. I say, they were talking about Religion. I gave you chapter and verse and the ratification of the approval OF THE PEOPLE.. and you still say that "that's not what they meant". Maybe your mistaken..

READ some of the wall plaques in the Washington DC Memorials, read the quotes of Freedom Plaza. Ask yourself if they are still "realistic" if they are not, note it is THEM that are right, and Society that has changed. They record in stone what society SHOULD be like. if its not, your wrong, not them.

I have read them, I have lived the American way. I have been all over my country.. but I have also LIVED here. I do believe that gives me a more accurate view point than a tourist.

Damn right I'm telling you what it is, and you should be aggreeing with me and lamenting with me over how far the country is drifting!

The US does have problems.. I would rather us look after ourselves than everyone else. I would almost rather see the US return to an isolationist country. But with the world today, that's probably not the best thing.

You guys act like you dont know this...like I'm making it up...but how can I be...when I use the basis from which I speak, FROM the American point of view, from America, writing in stone on Walls...

Stones on walls do not point out the fact that there are many people that do not want to do anything on their own. There are those that want nothing but a hand out, there are those that want to be carried their whole lives. well.. I want more than that.. for me to have more than that.. I have to carry myself.. for me to do that, I can not carry those who refuse to even
TRY to walk.

I guess they are only really viewed by the Tourists...but that is your heratage...

Americans made them for Americans.. Tourists love them.... we believe in them. American leads.. others follow



If you did, whilst not aggreeing on the finer points, you might at least understand that I'm not just putting my own ideas on to you. They are your forgotten ideas. I got them from you

No they are not forgotten.

From the other post.

1) thats a perfect example of what I mean by venom and hostility. What about protecting MY innocence?

Asking you questions is not hostile. Too bad you don't have that on video. I am curious to see what happened.

2) No, I just think people have lost the value of what is written in their passports. I would have dared to invoke what it said against anyone trying to detain me when I'm innocent. I hate being falsely accused

What were you accused of? Being a terrorist? A bad photographer?

In England we dont walk on eggshells, I'd go right to the press, and it would be everywhere. You guys have not learned the power of public opinion on Governments and insitutions.

"You guys".. "I would go whining right to the press"... You would probably be laughed right out of the place.
And no.. we don't walk on eggshells here either.

By the way.. your passport.. nor mine.. doesn't give you (or me) the right to not show the local law enforcement some basic respect.

And your passport says..""Her Brittanic Majestys Secretary Of State Requests and Requires, In the Name of Her Majesty, all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as me be necessary"

Did you not think that stopping to question you about what was going on was protecting someone possibly? I doubt it. Try not to be so self centered like most of the 20 somethings in the world.

Mine says "The Secretary of State of the United States of America hereby requests all whom it may concern to permit the citizen/national of the United States named herein to pass without delay or hindrance and in case of need to give all lawful aid and protection." -- but if I am causing trouble, or the local authorities feel that "something it up".. the passport doesn't give me a "get out of jail free card".

Our police are here to protect us, they are not there to badger us, or watch us like hawks.

Which European country is it that has the most extensive video surveillance system???

When I was in Colombia last year.. I was taking pictures near where a bomb went off the night before. I had the Colombian military put an automatic rifle in my face.. they didn't know what I was doing.. they were checking me out.. I understood. It made sense.. so when you talk about getting "harrased" by a city cop. Because they saw something "out of the ordinary", you should be thankful that someone was ensuring out safety.. and yours..

You see them as ruthless enforcers.

There you go again.. telling Americans what we think..

I wanted to be a cop for many years.. but I realized I do not have the mentality to deal with the trash that many cops deal with.


I wish you'd stop calling everything you dont like socialist.

I don't.

Neezar
10-14-2009, 04:09 AM
Wow! We haven't had one of these in a long time! :laugh:

Neezar
10-14-2009, 04:15 AM
In England we dont walk on eggshells, I'd go right to the press, and it would be everywhere. You guys have not learned the power of public opinion on Governments and insitutions.



I haven't read all of that but I did notice this. Dave, the above is a lie and you KNOW it. Admit it. NoW!

:angry:

MattHughesRocks
10-14-2009, 05:37 AM
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Primadawn
10-14-2009, 11:21 AM
Holy Crow!!! I leave for a few hours and miss all THIS????:scared0011:

Chuck
10-14-2009, 12:44 PM
Holy Crow!!! I leave for a few hours and miss all THIS????:scared0011:

Leave Jeff out of this! This is between the Dave's :D

Primadawn
10-14-2009, 02:15 PM
Leave Jeff out of this! This is between the Dave's :D

Well didn't you hear what they said about Jeff?:laugh:

Josh
10-14-2009, 02:36 PM
This thread will crash the internet by sheer volume.

Crisco
10-14-2009, 03:09 PM
I think Threads like this or awesome. It makes for great fun when the boards are slow.


Keep up the good work guys.


Smash away.

Llamafighter
10-14-2009, 03:16 PM
I think Dave is composing hsi response which is sure to break all "letter count per post" records...

Crisco
10-14-2009, 03:24 PM
I think Dave is composing hsi response which is sure to break all "letter count per post" records...

I have a feeling he is using a word document to compose it and then will copy and paste his response.

Jonlion
10-14-2009, 06:41 PM
Wow, here comes a bit of drama!

However, we English are very mild, other than when it comes to protecting our privacy because we don't like intrusion!

Anyways, for me the most important to thing to remember is the world is bigger than America or Britain, and God is bigger than all of us.

We are nothing but for what we have given to us by God.

We can all be proud of our nations and heritage but we should remember that it really doesn't mean much in the end.

Keep it civil brothers!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big love!

J.B.
10-15-2009, 04:28 AM
In a most hilarious way, I feel responsible for this....:laugh:

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VCURamFan
10-15-2009, 01:27 PM
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One of my favorite cartoons ever!

Chuck
10-15-2009, 01:39 PM
One of my favorite cartoons ever!

It's not like any of us have ever been there.... :D

Neezar
10-15-2009, 01:57 PM
It's not like any of us have ever been there.... :D

qft


:laugh:

VCURamFan
10-15-2009, 01:59 PM
It's not like any of us have ever been there.... :D
Yeah, I've never shirked studying for an exam to be unnecessarily abusive in an argument.:Whistle:

J.B.
10-15-2009, 03:32 PM
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Llamafighter
10-15-2009, 03:49 PM
:Whistle:so far soooooo boring...:Whistle:

Crisco
10-15-2009, 04:20 PM
:Whistle:so far soooooo boring...:Whistle:

Either Dave is still writing or he is nervous about the attention.

Tyburn
10-15-2009, 08:15 PM
:) sorry I'm late.

Firstly...No Denise, I am not joking. I very nearly went to the press before over issues when I was falsly accused....and if things had gone bad, I would have done. I wont be squashed on if im innocent.

Tyburn
10-15-2009, 09:25 PM
1) Nieve? No, that is what I was before. There was a time when I was too trusting, and wouldnt believe that people in authority with the charge of care or protection would ever do anything to harm me.

I was prooved wrong, and it was a nasty affaire. Its completly changed the way I think.

2) I'm not sure we are well enough aqauinted to be able to engage in what the other is like. I dont know what you know of me, but I know very little about you indeed.

3) I wasnt bashing anything. I was debating with someone who I debate with a lot on the subject of politics, and far from being someone out to denude your Country, I was protecting its origins from Americans who have almost as little understanding of their own heratage as they do of any other Nations. Eventually JB admited that the times have changed. He implies this is irreversable. I think not only is it reversable it should be reversed, before you end up like any other secular nation.

Do you want that? do you want your country to abandon the constitution, or the ethics of its founders?? If you do, I would say that it is YOU who is "bashing" America, I am trying to say she should be preserved in her original state.

Lots of people either dont bother to read what I put, or they read only what annoys them and make such a fuss over something they fail to see what I'm trying to say.

As for being a Child. Starting this whole debate thread for the sole purpose of saying you have debated with Tyburn...when he has clearly told you he doesnt feel the need to debate with you due to your hostile tone in an otherwise completely amicable original thread...is just self publicity. "oooh look at me, I took on Tyburn" :rolleyes:

I would be flattered if it wasnt so...vein on your behalf...you know at least when Andreas did this, he posted something of interest that would get me talking on a subject, and then he could reply...perhaps it would be something on current affairs within the English Monarchy...or maybe a video that says something interpretational about England...

...but you lack the subtlety....but as I have some free time...and just so you dont think I'm in anyway intimidated by you calling me out...I'll debate with you. Until you either become riddiculous...or I get bored :laugh:


4) But the question wasnt made to you. So your answer is pointless, sure anyone can join in. But suddenly I got real personal information from you, the type that wouldnt be displayed without someone being interogated...its like WTF...if you have general comments, then thats fine, but to suddnely get real offensive and defensive as if I have personally attacked you...its just makeing a scene...its just a cry for attention.

You dont need to piss me off to get me to talk to you, if thats what this is about. Do you feel like I've purposely ignored you or something :blink:

5) You dont, compared to Jens. If your Father tried to execute you, then you'd have something similar...if you'd be abused, then you'd have something similar. Whats sounds like a desperate upbringing, a broken home, and possibly a life of crime...thats not comparable.

Jens was abused, constantly, physically, for years. He has a stable home, a lasting marriage, children, a good occupation through which he has become very much loved, he cares greatly for others, and for any injustice he perceives, and he hasnt been to prison.

Excuse me for saying...but he's suffered worse, and he's come out better. I didnt want to be so bluntly mean. I cant say I was spending quite so much time on my replies to you at that stage anyway...afterall...where the hell did you come from?? I was talking and concentrating on JB...suddenly I have a list of some difficult and personal family information that I didnt ask for, and didnt want to know.

6) no. Not how they do act, how they should act. :laugh:

7) I wasnt talking to you. You baraged your way in, you made it all personal about you...and now I'm some evil person for asking something that shouldnt have illicited your response to someone else.

The fact of the matter is, this who conversation had nothing to do with you, and probably no bearing on you...and rather then introduce yourself and pose some grown up and manly responce, contributing and challenging me...you acted in a hostile manner, from nowhere, as if I had personally come round and held you at gun point or something.

8)

See that proves my point. You dont even know what I was saying.

I said preserve your nation to keep it sacred as your forefathers wanted you to because you are the last beacon of Christianity and thats important. If you dont...then you will lose something precious...and that will be a loss to America.

Try reading what I actually put...rather then assuming I hate Americans...which is so totally outrageous and proposterous a sentiment that it prooves you dont know me at all. I get accused of positive racism TOWARDS Americans...thats hardly the attitude of an Anti-American hateful basher. Why would I bother posting here? why would I bother traveling long distance and spending all my spare money to go and visit America?? Or dont you know wheer ive just come from for the better half of a month??

Perhaps in your long and storied time on this forum whilst reading all my antics, you've just deleted anything positive I ever said...or maybe...your just embellishing the attention you've paid to me and my nieve tendancies...I suspect the latter.

You got the wrong end of the stick butting into a debate when you didnt know my position, and the comments I made werent aimed, or supposed to be replied to, by you. Now you look stupid.

9) Have I ever called myself a European? EVER? How often do I even call myself British?

You seem to think that someone who isnt American cant speak of America...and why is that? Americans speak about the rest of the world with next to no knowledge on average...the majority of Americans dont even own a passport!! If you tell me I cant speak about America simply because I wasnt born there...then you are telling me to shut up on the grounds of my Nationality.

Therefore, its racism.

10) I'm not mistaken. Firstly, your Forefathers religion was Christian, Secondly they were Masonic...so that is Christian (it was accepted far more in the past then now) So when THEY speak they speak of a CHRISTIAN GOD.

Then I tell you where they came from and why they said what you have missinterpreted. They fleed from Christian persecution, and from a Monarchic Tradition, to restore themselves, to where those two things had failed. The Christian was back, the Monarch was GOD

Then I tell you about Lincoln...and the CHRISTIANITY in his speeches.

dont blame me for your revisionism. I had my position backed up by the majority of the Americans I view as being true and real Americans on this Forum. Yes...its not said much...but there is more to being American then your place of Birth...one extreme interpretation is that without a belief in Christ...you cant call yourself American and be as America was intended.

11) in my opinion, you havent ever lived the most important part of being American...unless your gonna tell me your a Christian?

12) I dont care what you'd rather have. I'm not giving you that choice, because I feel this is important. Plus...everyone has views on America...like it or not, people will give you their views...thats why discernment is so important...very few Americans seem to have that because the moment you tell them anything...they shut down...EVEN when your trying to tell them something important to American Survival.

If I dont speak out...then when you finally realize whats happened and come to me and say...but you saw this, why didnt you stop it...i'd be so guilty. Now...you can disregard everything ive said...but then at least I know...one day when there is a revolution in your country to wind back the clock and restablish Christianity in its original intention...I will have been able to say that I did my little part as well....and if that never happens and the flame goes out...at least I know I tried.

I'm not saying this for your benefit. I'm saying it primarily for the benefit of an Ideal (that of America) and secondly...I'm saying it for myself, my own peace of mind. you can think of me what you want, and ignore me completely...im not out to change you...though I pray that happens...the mere writing of this is satisfaction enough. You need never change, my conscience is clear, do you understand?

13) glad to see your so self-less. Who said anything about supporting dossers? this is about providing help so they dont remain as dossers...and by the by...whats so important about you? the way you conduct yourself, the support you give yourself...as if that makes you something?

You'll die, like the rest of us, and it doesnt matter what you've achieved, or who you've become. the same applies to us all.

What separates us for eternity isnt based on how we strugggle to support ourselves because we have to support other dossers...its based on whether we are Christian or not. You cant make it without...so spare yourself the trouble.

14) Americans made them in the hope Americans would live by them. Are you ashamed that you have to follow some tourist who has grasped the note left for you, by your own?

I think some of you reading this, should be. I think you should carefully consider whether you are living by those monuments or not...because, you say you are...but you are not....you cant be, and be dissagreeing with me, because I am simply trying to echo them.

I dont have a problem with Americans leading...that is their calling...I'm encouraging you to take the reigns from me...reigns that dont belong to me. I'm telling you to do your duty...or to watch those monuments lament the past aswell as their dedications.

I can talk...but I cant change America...only Americans can...thats why I'm appealing to you. :)

15) they are forgotten. this thread is evidence of that. We have nothing to discuss if you would only remember them!

16) see what on video :huh:

17) I was accused in passing of looking suspicious...it happened twice...I had it at the airport whilst boarding the flight home. I was really sad about leaving, and apparently I went really pale...it prompted one of the boarding attendents to come over from the other boarding gate and ask if I was alright because I was "making her nervous"

I said no I wasnt alright...because I didnt want to go home...and could I please stay

she said No :laugh:

18) yes you do...your tame compared to us. Our papers are our voice to the Government...and our Government debate properly...they dont gasp and faint when one side makes a jab to the other...like your Republicans did when that guy said he could bassically paraphrase Republican standpoint on health as, dont get ill, but if you do, die quickly...

WTF...how was that a major scandle!! but it went on for three days...three days for something like that...have you ever seen the British Parliament in action??

So...when your House dares to do more then shout "you lie" to the President...you get back to me :laugh:

19) I AM A TWENTY SOMETHING!

If you had been quicker and more astute you might have asked "who is the Secretary of State" since the British Government doesnt give that specific title to anyone.

to aliviete your hole in knowledge...its defered to "The Home Secretary" :laugh:

20) well just what were you doing in columbia...and how did you not get into trouble having been in jail before??

FTI....she was armed :unsure-1:

21) :laugh: NO KIDDING :laugh:

1) First Off Dave... I do like you. You seem to be earnest.. but horribly nieve. That isn't a bad thing at all.. just sometimes not very realistic...

2) So everything I say.. take with a grain of salt.. I do find you to be a pretty OK guy.

3)

I have not adressed a lot of what you have said over the past few years out of "he's such a child" and not very worldly".. but now your really bashing on my country in a way that is not accurate at all. So I jumped in.


4)
well.. I decided to answer for me. Not him.

5) Why would I make something up, you compared Jens' life.. to me.. you alluded to the fact that I don't know what "pain" is.. so I enlightened you.



6) Your hostility by springing from nowhere to a full frontal attack on subjects like mental health.

And the way Americans act.



7) The venom with which you have to reply to every single line of text I offer. The venom with which you promise your returns if I speak out on certain issues.

You are NOT speaking out of turn. "Public Forum", so you can say pretty much whatever you want. I am only taking you to task on what you said.

8) If you dont understand what I mean, ask for clarity.

I dounderstand what you mean. "Us lously Americans, and sucessful people need to take care of everyone.. When we don't.. that makes us the "soon to be armpit" of the world.


9) I'm not telling you what is wrong as an Englishman. If you want to be racist thats fine,

How the hell am I a racists? If ANYTHING... you should say I am predijucied against Europeans... which I am not..

10) but I'm only repeating the obvious understanding of what your forefathers held to. This isnt some Englishman telling you how America should be. This is some Englishman, echoing what YOUR OWN Forefathers have already made clear.

By your interpretation.. based on your experiences. You say my forefathers were specifically talking about the Christian God. I say, they were talking about Religion. I gave you chapter and verse and the ratification of the approval OF THE PEOPLE.. and you still say that "that's not what they meant". Maybe your mistaken..

11) READ some of the wall plaques in the Washington DC Memorials, read the quotes of Freedom Plaza. Ask yourself if they are still "realistic" if they are not, note it is THEM that are right, and Society that has changed. They record in stone what society SHOULD be like. if its not, your wrong, not them.

I have read them, I have lived the American way. I have been all over my country.. but I have also LIVED here. I do believe that gives me a more accurate view point than a tourist.

12) Damn right I'm telling you what it is, and you should be aggreeing with me and lamenting with me over how far the country is drifting!

The US does have problems.. I would rather us look after ourselves than everyone else. I would almost rather see the US return to an isolationist country. But with the world today, that's probably not the best thing.

13) You guys act like you dont know this...like I'm making it up...but how can I be...when I use the basis from which I speak, FROM the American point of view, from America, writing in stone on Walls...

Stones on walls do not point out the fact that there are many people that do not want to do anything on their own. There are those that want nothing but a hand out, there are those that want to be carried their whole lives. well.. I want more than that.. for me to have more than that.. I have to carry myself.. for me to do that, I can not carry those who refuse to even
TRY to walk.

14) I guess they are only really viewed by the Tourists...but that is your heratage...

Americans made them for Americans.. Tourists love them.... we believe in them. American leads.. others follow



15) If you did, whilst not aggreeing on the finer points, you might at least understand that I'm not just putting my own ideas on to you. They are your forgotten ideas. I got them from you

No they are not forgotten.

16) 1) thats a perfect example of what I mean by venom and hostility. What about protecting MY innocence?

Asking you questions is not hostile. Too bad you don't have that on video. I am curious to see what happened.

17) 2) No, I just think people have lost the value of what is written in their passports. I would have dared to invoke what it said against anyone trying to detain me when I'm innocent. I hate being falsely accused

What were you accused of? Being a terrorist? A bad photographer?

18) In England we dont walk on eggshells, I'd go right to the press, and it would be everywhere. You guys have not learned the power of public opinion on Governments and insitutions.

"You guys".. "I would go whining right to the press"... You would probably be laughed right out of the place.
And no.. we don't walk on eggshells here either.

By the way.. your passport.. nor mine.. doesn't give you (or me) the right to not show the local law enforcement some basic respect.

19) And your passport says..""Her Brittanic Majestys Secretary Of State Requests and Requires, In the Name of Her Majesty, all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as me be necessary"

Did you not think that stopping to question you about what was going on was protecting someone possibly? I doubt it. Try not to be so self centered like most of the 20 somethings in the world.

Mine says "The Secretary of State of the United States of America hereby requests all whom it may concern to permit the citizen/national of the United States named herein to pass without delay or hindrance and in case of need to give all lawful aid and protection." -- but if I am causing trouble, or the local authorities feel that "something it up".. the passport doesn't give me a "get out of jail free card".

20) Our police are here to protect us, they are not there to badger us, or watch us like hawks.

Which European country is it that has the most extensive video surveillance system???

When I was in Colombia last year.. I was taking pictures near where a bomb went off the night before. I had the Colombian military put an automatic rifle in my face.. they didn't know what I was doing.. they were checking me out.. I understood. It made sense.. so when you talk about getting "harrased" by a city cop. Because they saw something "out of the ordinary", you should be thankful that someone was ensuring out safety.. and yours..

21) You see them as ruthless enforcers.

There you go again.. telling Americans what we think..

I wanted to be a cop for many years.. but I realized I do not have the mentality to deal with the trash that many cops deal with.

Tyburn
10-15-2009, 09:26 PM
In a most hilarious way, I feel responsible for this....:laugh:

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:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Neezar
10-16-2009, 01:15 AM
*sigh*



Dear Dave,

At this point I don't have enough time to read all that. And I can say that you know me almost as well as anyone on here. Would you be so kind as to point out anything that you think that I might disagree with so I can respond appropriately? Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Denise

Spiritwalker
10-16-2009, 04:25 AM
[QUOTE=Tyburn;73998]1) Nieve? No, that is what I was before. There was a time when I was too trusting, and wouldnt believe that people in authority with the charge of care or protection would ever do anything to harm me.

Maybe "unrealistic Idealist" would be the better term.


2) I'm not sure we are well enough aqauinted to be able to engage in what the other is like. I dont know what you know of me, but I know very little about you indeed.

From reading your posts for over two years... I have a pretty good guess.

You should be able to do the same had you been paying attention.


3) I wasnt bashing anything. I was debating with someone who I debate with a lot on the subject of politics, and far from being someone out to denude your Country, I was protecting its origins from Americans who have almost as little understanding of their own heratage as they do of any other Nations. Eventually JB admited that the times have changed. He implies this is irreversable. I think not only is it reversable it should be reversed, before you end up like any other secular nation.

Stating that "America should do this...." and "This is where you people are wrong.." is bashing..

Do you want that? do you want your country to abandon the constitution, or the ethics of its founders??

No but apparently you do. "America should help everyone.. America needs to be a Christian nation, America has forgotten"... Yet when I showed you an except of our Constitution you say.. "that's not what your forefathers ment"... well.. that is bashing, a huge amount of arrogance, and many other things.. that's when I step up what I was saying to you.

The Junie Brownings of the world are a prime example of the issue with the US. Not that we don't help people.. but people want NOTHING but help.. to have their lives handed to them. That's trash.

Lots of people either dont bother to read what I put, or they read only what annoys them and make such a fuss over something they fail to see what I'm trying to say.

Try less diarrhea of the mouth and you will see less of that

As for being a Child. Starting this whole debate thread for the sole purpose of saying you have debated with Tyburn...

You are full of yourself aren't you. I normally "giggle" off, what you say. ESPECIALLY when it comes to America. Not this time.. and the title of the thread was to have a little fun... not with you.. just in general. I am not posting on here as much as I would like to be lately..but I do read over and lurk a great deal..

when he has clearly told you he doesnt feel the need to debate with you

Yet here you are... I was actually thinking maybe I hurt his feelings...I was feeling a bit bad.. because you are an institution here... and I have had some fun conversations with you.. but dude.. you don't know America.. and you need to "broaden your vision a bit"

due to your hostile tone in an otherwise completely amicable original thread...is just self publicity. "oooh look at me, I took on Tyburn" :rolleyes:

You call me a racist? and I am hostile? My tone is more "sigh... he just don't get it".. rather than "What a flippin moron. maybe he is related to Junie..".. I have yet to be hostile to you.

I would be flattered if it wasnt so...vein on your behalf...you know at least when Andreas did this, he posted something of interest that would get me talking on a subject,

I had no idea someone did this before.. or at least not that I remember..and it seems that you ARE talking on a subject... America and you don't know enough or have not opened your eyes enough to be talking like you are. Again.. like a virgin talking about sex...

and then he could reply...perhaps it would be something on current affairs within the English Monarchy...or maybe a video that says something interpretational about England...

Ahh... but England is not the subject... You opinion of the US, and what are forefathers meant (contrary to what they wrote) is the subject.. as far as I am concerned... If I was going to talk about Jolly Ol... I would have to give the benefit of the doubt to the English person telling me "what's up".. Granted you have been here... but you haven't LIVED here..

...but you lack the subtlety....

It's an American thing.. you won't understand..

Plus, on the subject of America... and what you have said.. I feel but that I CAN'T be subtle.. not do I want to be... in this case at least.

but as I have some free time...

Nothing new there right???

and just so you dont think I'm in anyway intimidated by you calling me out...

I am trying really hard not to be intimidating... or rude. And it's not really calling you out... don't be so serious... "everything including the kitchen sink"

I'll debate with you. Until you either become riddiculous...or I get bored :laugh:

"Sweets. You couldn't ignore me if you tried. " ANYONE...name THAT quote...


4) But the question wasnt made to you. So your answer is pointless, sure anyone can join in.

The question wasn't to me.. but anyone can join... but my answer is pointless... hmmmm...My friend.. I am ARROGANT..... but you just surpassed me greatly... or you don't understand what you say..


But suddenly I got real personal information from you, the type that wouldnt be displayed without someone being interogated...

You compared me to Jens... You implied I knew nothing about a "harsh" life.. I educated you.. stuff that happened in the past.. happened. but none of what I posted on this public forum is a big deal.. what happens to someone shapes them.. guides them.. but that doesn't actually define them.

its like WTF...if you have general comments, then thats fine, but to suddnely get real offensive and defensive as if I have personally attacked you...

In my opinion.. you telling "me" how my country is wrong.. IS a personal attack.. I have yet to attack you personally.. the worst I have EVER said about you or to you.. is that you are naive..horribly so.. but I also said that isn't a bad thing...

its just makeing a scene...its just a cry for attention.

ehhh.. I can understand why you would say that.. I have kinda emulated you with "confessing" some rough stuff in my life.. so what does that make the 100+ posts, videos and such you have posted??? A temper tantrum for attention? Or to be more to the point.. "Pot meet kettle".. At least I don't have a past of it.

I just don't put that much value on the bad stuff in my past.. why should anyone else? If my "painful" past distrubs you so much.. how about carrying me through life... give up what you have to help me... "I had a bad past... I deserve to be spoon fed"..."I can beat up and assault people.. but it's because I was beat as a child"... ohhhh.. that is such BS...

You dont need to piss me off

Didn't try to.. but do you like the way your medicine tastes?

to get me to talk to you, if thats what this is about.

lolololololol... no it's not... You sure your not American?? The aarogance... it feels like it's from New Jersey...

Do you feel like I've purposely ignored you or something :blink:

lolol.... that's FUNNY....


5) You dont, compared to Jens. If your Father tried to execute you, then you'd have something similar...if you'd be abused, then you'd have something similar.

so you have no sympathy for me... now I AM hurt...sniff...

According to Jens.. his dad didn't TRY to execute him..He was GOING TO DO IT.. but decided not to.. "not worth the time" or something like that.. right?

So it's not like his dad stuck a gun in his mouth.. jens bit it and ripped it out of his dads hands and then submitted him with an RNC.. He didn't try.. and fail.. he thought about it and decided not to...maybe you should read his book again.. or call him up and ask...

To loosely quote Chuck D of Public Enemy.. "When your talking about the JP.. get your sh#t correct...." [Name that song]

my dad.. last memory I have of him.. is him hitting me in the head with a can of blue aqua net hair spray... I was about 5 I think..

When my mom would spank me with a belt, she would get a good pattern going.. then switch to the buckle end.... one time she threw a 1 pound..brass dog at me.. hit me square in the back... I think I was in 4th grade..

Sorry I don't like up to your "sympathy high water mark"...

The point being..not that Jens had a rough life.. A LOT of people have horrid childhoods...



Whats sounds like a desperate upbringing, a broken home, and possibly a life of crime...thats not comparable.[b]

Are you referring to me??? I had a desperate upbringing??? How do you figure??? Apparently not as bad as Jens.. "broken homes".. are kinda common... and now I am a possible criminal??? How do you figure that?.. And since I had just a bad upbringing.. doesn't that mean I have an excuse for anything "bad" I do.. since my upbringing was a product of American society... And since the American society is such crap.. (for producing people like Jens via his up bringing).. are you saying that America is piss poor?? Even if that is not the case.. Since Jens and his type are "the salt of the earth".. you must really not like this country..

[b]Jens was abused, constantly, physically, for years. He has a stable home, a lasting marriage, children, a good occupation through which he has become very much loved, he cares greatly for others, and for any injustice he perceives, and he hasnt been to prison.

A lot of people in America fit that definition..

Excuse me for saying...but he's suffered worse, and he's come out better.

Better than what?? seems like you mean me??

I didnt want to be so bluntly mean.

Your hardly blunt.. barely mean.. creame puff...

I cant say I was spending quite so much time on my replies to you at that stage anyway...afterall...where the hell did you come from?? I was talking and concentrating on JB...

I have been here for years...and what brought me into the thread...was you trying to tell "us" what America actually is.. and how they should be.. and that worthless people should be hand held through life...

suddenly I have a list of some difficult and personal family information that I didnt ask for, and didnt want to know.

dude.. how much of your personal junk have I (we) been subjected to??? You make it sound like Jens is the only one in the world that has had a rough life and made something better of themselves.. dude.. that is what America was made from...


7) I wasnt talking to you. You baraged your way in, you made it all personal about you...and now I'm some evil person for asking something that shouldnt have illicited your response to someone else.

Then watch what you say and how you say it.. about my country..

The fact of the matter is, this who conversation had nothing to do with you, and probably no bearing on you...

Talking about the US in a negative way.. has a bearing on me. Happy to educate you.


and rather then introduce yourself and pose some grown up and manly responce, contributing and challenging me...you acted in a hostile manner, from nowhere, as if I had personally come round and held you at gun point or something.

now I am not manly??? pot meet kettle???

Bash on the US (at least in my eyes...)... you get hostility..


I said preserve your nation to keep it sacred as your forefathers wanted you to because you are the last beacon of Christianity and thats important. If you dont...then you will lose something precious...and that will be a loss to America.

Then you are talking about the US losing something that it never had..While I agree that this should be a country "under God".. that's not what the founding fathers wanted... I mean if you want to dramatically talk about the Last Beacon of Christianity.. shouldn't you be talking about Rome? Maybe some places in the middle east??

Try reading what I actually put...rather then assuming I hate Americans...which is so totally outrageous and proposterous a sentiment that it prooves you dont know me at all.

I never said you hate Americans..maybe you should take your own advise..


I get accused of positive racism TOWARDS Americans...thats hardly the attitude of an Anti-American hateful basher.

What I am saying is that you are talking about America being something that it was never intended to be.

Why would I bother posting here? why would I bother traveling long distance and spending all my spare money to go and visit America?? Or dont you know wheer ive just come from for the better half of a month??

uhhhh... you went to the North Pole?? NO REGULAR.. here could NOT know where you have been...


Perhaps in your long and storied time on this forum whilst reading all my antics, you've just deleted anything positive I ever said...or maybe...your just embellishing the attention you've paid to me and my nieve tendancies...I suspect the latter.

When you start talking about stuff that doesn't interest me.. I do tune you out... and I am sure I am not alone...

"storied past"...I can not find my "storied" past here... do you need American English lessons??

You got the wrong end of the stick butting into a debate when you didnt know my position,

ermmmm... you were talking about what Americans are supposed to do.. to make themselves better.. I am saying that
1. No we don't
2. You don't know what this country was founded on.. or at least don't want to understand.. your normally a bright guy... normally.


and the comments I made werent aimed, or supposed to be replied to, by you.

so I can't post to your threads?? I can't call you to task for your comments?? yer a funny guy....

Now you look stupid.

according to you.. I am now.. Violent, a criminal, a "drama queen", a racist, Stupid, and a attention hound...

wow.. oh wow... how you have "my wittle feelings"...

I called you naive and arrogant.. . Said you don't understand America.. and alluded to the fact that you don't know Jens' real history..

who is REALLY the big meanie....


9) Have I ever called myself a European? EVER? How often do I even call myself British?

Hey .. if you have no pride.. that's not my concern.. (that's the big mean American talking).

You seem to think that someone who isnt American cant speak of America...

No. What I said was you don't know, or seem to want to admit, what this country was founded for. And when you do speak of America, you speak from a point of view that should REALLY be listening to the people that live here a bit more when they try to educate you a bit...

and why is that? Americans speak about the rest of the world with next to no knowledge on average...

American Arrogance Bold and In Your Face

http://www.fighterscorner.net/store/images/doing%20time%20black.jpg

the majority of Americans dont even own a passport!!

When you have a kickass country like ours.. why leave..

But I do agree that more Americans should follow the motto of the mongoose.. "go, find out"

If you tell me I cant speak about America simply because I wasnt born there...then you are telling me to shut up on the grounds of my Nationality.

Therefore, its racism.

I didn't say that you couldn't speak about America.. I just think you should be more educated on some of the subject you are talking about.. and BTW..

Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment.

Maybe you should be more educated on racism..


10) I'm not mistaken. Firstly, your Forefathers religion was Christian, Secondly they were Masonic...so that is Christian (it was accepted far more in the past then now) So when THEY speak they speak of a CHRISTIAN GOD.

That's not what the Constitution says.. that's your interpretation of it.

And you can easily argue that Masonic people are not "christian"..http://www.ewtn.com/library/newage/masonrel.txt


Then I tell you where they came from and why they said what you have missinterpreted. They fleed from Christian persecution, and from a Monarchic Tradition, to restore themselves, to where those two things had failed. The Christian was back, the Monarch was GOD.

heh.. "I" misinterpret.. comedy gold..

Then I tell you about Lincoln...and the CHRISTIANITY in his speeches.

ermmm.. Lincoln was the 16th(?) President... there is no law against being a Christian President. What does that have to do with the founding of the Country?? The Gettysburg Address was and STILL is very moving..."this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government: of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Beautiful!!!!

dont blame me for your revisionism.

I am not revising anything.. trying to show you what was said.. it's your interpretation that I am trying to enlighten..


I had my position backed up by the majority of the Americans I view as being true and real Americans on this Forum. Yes...its not said much...but there is more to being American then your place of Birth..

I do truly think that I would know more about that than you.


one extreme interpretation is that without a belief in Christ...you cant call yourself American and be as America was intended.

And according to the Constitution they would be wrong. While I would like to see the whole country as a Christian... at least in my definition.. that's not what it's about.

11) in my opinion, you havent ever lived the most important part of being American...unless your gonna tell me your a Christian?

In the US you are granted the same rights no matter your belief. And the ability to be able to say "what you want", believe what you want.. worship how you want.. is part of what my country stands for.. no matter if you like it or not.. And saying that "if your not a Christian.. your not American".. is very wrong.. and a smack in the face to every Muslim, Jew, and every other religion, that had the nerve to pick up a gun and defend this country.

My best friends dad was an Atheist, he was at D-Day.. (not the main landing, one of the smaller landings)... he was shot twice.. defending and trying to take back land at "some country.."...If you are saying that he was not an American.. or didn't deserve the right to be called that... then I have a BIG problem with that...

Maybe on your tour through the US you should have visited Arlington National Cemetery.. you would see many people that represent different religions..


12) I dont care what you'd rather have. I'm not giving you that choice, because I feel this is important. Plus...everyone has views on America...like it or not, people will give you their views...thats why discernment is so important...very few Americans seem to have that because the moment you tell them anything...they shut down...EVEN when your trying to tell them something important to American Survival.

Trust me.. America will survive. And maybe you should discern the Constitution .. but then again. it's not really that subtle..

Now...you can disregard everything ive said...

I pretty much have...


13) glad to see your so self-less. Who said anything about supporting dossers? this is about providing help so they dont remain as dossers...

I guess "dosser" is someone that doesn't want to help themselves.. I have very little interest in continuing to give handouts to those that just put the other hand out....

and by the by...whats so important about you?

I work my ass of to provide for my family.. I am educating my kids to be valuable people.. I have helped many people... when the "gut check" time came.. I came through with flying colors... I found out that I could do "the right thing".. I am an American..born, bred and proud.. THAT'S what makes me so important.

the way you conduct yourself, the support you give yourself...as if that makes you something?

well.. yes.

What makes you so important??? Jens?

You'll die, like the rest of us, and it doesnt matter what you've achieved, or who you've become. the same applies to us all.

ahh.. but what I do now.. will live for years to come.. eventually I will be forgotten... but my kids.. and their kids.. will be partially what I helped make.

What separates us for eternity isnt based on how we strugggle to support ourselves because we have to support other dossers

Then what makes Jens so special???


...its based on whether we are Christian or not. You cant make it without...so spare yourself the trouble.

I did you just imply that I should kill myself if I wasn't a Christian?? Or that I was worthless if I wasn't a Christian??Wow.. how unchristian of you..

14) Americans made them in the hope Americans would live by them. Are you ashamed that you have to follow some tourist who has grasped the note left for you, by your own?

Nope, cause apparently you can't read...

I think some of you reading this, should be. I think you should carefully consider whether you are living by those monuments or not...because, you say you are...but you are not....you cant be, and be dissagreeing with me, because I am simply trying to echo them.

But you are not echoing them... you are interpenetrating them in a piss poor way..


I dont have a problem with Americans leading...that is their calling...I'm encouraging you to take the reigns from me...reigns that dont belong to me.

Not only do you not lead.. your deluding yourself if you think that you do.

I'm telling you to do your duty...

LOLOLOL... that's funny...


15) they are forgotten. this thread is evidence of that. We have nothing to discuss if you would only remember them!

Trust me I do...

16) see what on video :huh:

your interaction with the police.. I am kinda wondering if you wet yourself a little.

17) I was accused in passing of looking suspicious...it happened twice...I had it at the airport whilst boarding the flight home. I was really sad about leaving, and apparently I went really pale...it prompted one of the boarding attendents to come over from the other boarding gate and ask if I was alright because I was "making her nervous"

yep.. prolly wet your pants a bit.. or at least threw up in your mouth some..



18) yes you do...your tame compared to us. Our papers are our voice to the Government..

papers.. PAPERS....!!! We don't need no stinking papers!!! We have Guns... Guns and Bullets.


[b]and our Government debate properly...they dont gasp and faint when one side makes a jab to the other...like your Republicans did when that guy said he could bassically paraphrase Republican standpoint on health as, dont get ill, but if you do, die quickly...

don't you mean the Democrat..

WTF...how was that a major scandle!! but it went on for three days...three days for something like that...have you ever seen the British Parliament in action??

nope.. normally they just follow the US' s lead..

And actually I have.. like little kids on a school yard.. yeah... I REALLY want to live up to THAT..

So...when your House dares to do more then shout "you lie" to the President...you get back to me :laugh:

Then I guess I won't. I am a Republican.. and I think that Joe Wilson was a total moron for acting like that.. it's one thing to disagree.. but to act like that during the joint session of Congress was VERY lame..


19) I AM A TWENTY SOMETHING!

sure don't act like it.. but you do kinda act like a typical 20 year old American... in some ways..

If you had been quicker and more astute you might have asked "who is the Secretary of State" since the British Government doesnt give that specific title to anyone.

Why do I care.. what I was pointing out is that your passport says the same thing as mine....I never said anything about how your government was constructed... If you would have been more astute.. you would have seen that.. I guess that's what I get for thinking...



20) well just what were you doing in columbia...and how did you not get into trouble having been in jail before??

I was doing a martial arts seminar tour...teaching kids and adults... what does it matter...

and don't be so presumptuous ( i know it's difficult for you)... Just because I was arrested, didn't mean I did anything wrong.. and even if I did, that didn't mean I couldn't obtain a passport..

And Columbia is a city.. in South Carolina (probably other states as well).. Colombia is a country...



FTI....she was armed :unsure-1:

If you are talking about the cop that talked to you.. she better be armed..

21) :laugh: NO KIDDING :laugh:

If you knew America.. you would understand that I was not referring to a deficiency on my part.. but rather the common criminal that police have to associate with.

But of course.. you made that assumption cause you really know less than half of the US, than you think.

Tyburn
10-16-2009, 12:09 PM
*sigh*



Dear Dave,

At this point I don't have enough time to read all that. And I can say that you know me almost as well as anyone on here. Would you be so kind as to point out anything that you think that I might disagree with so I can respond appropriately? Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Denise

:laugh: I shouldnt bother Denise :laugh:

Infact...I think I'll just reply on the issues that need to be replied on below, that might make it more easy to follow :laugh:

Tyburn
10-16-2009, 12:32 PM
1)You should be able to do the same had you been paying attention.

I'm not interested in you. So why would I have taken much notice? I dont mean to be rude by that...but we've not really discussed anything much before that stands out, and you've never made small talk to me, or released anything that made you of interest. So you were just a screen name to me. I'm sorry


2)Stating that "America should do this...." and "This is where you people are wrong.." is bashing..

No its not. At worst its wrong, at best its right. Bashing is when you are mean and rude for no good reason.

3) You are full of yourself aren't you. I normally "giggle" off, what you say. ESPECIALLY when it comes to America. Not this time.. and the title of the thread was to have a little fun... not with you.. just in general. I am not posting on here as much as I would like to be lately..but I do read over and lurk a great deal..

Then why are you still posting and expecting replies? Noone finds you funny, noone even finds this entertaining anymore. They cant be bothered to read it...and I'm begining to see there is no point in writing it.

4) Yet here you are... I was actually thinking maybe I hurt his feelings...I was feeling a bit bad.. because you are an institution here... and I have had some fun conversations with you.. but dude.. you don't know America.. and you need to "broaden your vision a bit"


I'm an Institution :huh: what do you mean by that :unsure:

5) I had no idea someone did this before.. or at least not that I remember..and it seems that you ARE talking on a subject... America and you don't know enough or have not opened your eyes enough to be talking like you are. Again.. like a virgin talking about sex...

How could you have missed Andreas...He used to be...EVERYWHERE on here. :blink: I'm talking about Hughes_GOAT :ninja:



6) I am trying really hard not to be intimidating... or rude. And it's not really calling you out... don't be so serious... "everything including the kitchen sink"

Try harder.

7) its just makeing a scene...its just a cry for attention.

ehhh.. I can understand why you would say that.. I have kinda emulated you with "confessing" some rough stuff in my life.. so what does that make the 100+ posts, videos and such you have posted??? A temper tantrum for attention? Or to be more to the point.. "Pot meet kettle".. At least I don't have a past of it.


I dont do that for you or anyone else. I do it for me. Try to understand that. :laugh:

8) You sure your not American?? The aarogance... it feels like it's from New Jersey...


Define American :ninja:

9)or call him up and ask...

Had dinner with him three weeks ago. we talked then :)

10)you must really not like this country..

:blink: Are you deliberatley acting dumb :huh:

Jens was abused, constantly, physically, for years. He has a stable home, a lasting marriage, children, a good occupation through which he has become very much loved, he cares greatly for others, and for any injustice he perceives, and he hasnt been to prison.

A lot of people in America fit that definition..


11) yeah...IMHO YOU DONT

12) creame puff...

and now you attack my sexuality :huh::rolleyes::laugh:

13)Talking about the US in a negative way.. has a bearing on me. Happy to educate you.

I'm not talking about her Negatively...at least I'm not distroying her...like you seem to be doing :sad:

I mean if you want to dramatically talk about the Last Beacon of Christianity.. shouldn't you be talking about Rome? Maybe some places in the middle east??

No. Rome is gone, the middle east is gone...really only America is left untouched. :unsure-1:

14) NO REGULAR.. here could NOT know where you have been...

:laugh:

15)and alluded to the fact that you don't know Jens' real history..

I know about all there is to no about him, without actually living near him where physical contact on a regular basis would be viable. You dont want to go there with me dearest.

16) ermmm.. Lincoln was the 16th(?) President... there is no law against being a Christian President. What does that have to do with the founding of the Country?? The Gettysburg Address was and STILL is very moving..."this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government: of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Beautiful!!!!

and completely meaningless to you.:mellow:

17)Maybe on your tour through the US you should have visited Arlington National Cemetery.. you would see many people that represent different religions..

Ran out of time, I did say that...pay attention to my trip threads :ninja:


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I havent the time to colour code...hopefully you havent the time to read and reply :laugh:

Spiritwalker
10-16-2009, 02:01 PM
I'm not interested in you. So why would I have taken much notice? I dont mean to be rude by that...but we've not really discussed anything much before that stands out, and you've never made small talk to me, or released anything that made you of interest. So you were just a screen name to me. I'm sorry

No reason to apologize.. that's pretty much what you are to me.



No its not. At worst its wrong, at best its right. Bashing is when you are mean and rude for no good reason.

Well.. your being rude.. for no reason.. or at best, an uneducated reason.



Then why are you still posting and expecting replies? Noone finds you funny, noone even finds this entertaining anymore. They cant be bothered to read it...and I'm begining to see there is no point in writing it.

Because you have been telling Americans what "America is". And your wrong.

I'm an Institution what do you mean by that

You have been here probably from day one, you (at one time) took pride in the HUGE post count.. your posts are legendary for there legnth.. not necessarly depth.. but very verbose.


How could you have missed Andreas...He used to be...EVERYWHERE on here. I'm talking about Hughes_GOAT

I know who Hughes_Goat is/was.. I had threads with him also.. but I don't remember him having a Tyburn vs Goat thread...



6) I am trying really hard not to be intimidating... or rude. And it's not really calling you out... don't be so serious... "everything including the kitchen sink"

Try harder.

Get a thicker skin.. I have hardly said anything "mean" to you. Hardly.



7) its just makeing a scene...its just a cry for attention.

ehhh.. I can understand why you would say that.. I have kinda emulated you with "confessing" some rough stuff in my life.. so what does that make the 100+ posts, videos and such you have posted??? A temper tantrum for attention? Or to be more to the point.. "Pot meet kettle".. At least I don't have a past of it.


I dont do that for you or anyone else. I do it for me. Try to understand that.

I do understand that. I do many things just for myself. But it's pretty much the same "cry for attention"


8) You sure your not American?? The aarogance... it feels like it's from New Jersey...


Define American


Not You. But seriously...

A native or inhabitant of America/A citizen of the United States. What constitutes an American? Not color nor race nor religion. Not the pedigree of his family nor the place of his birth. Not the coincidence of his citizenship. Not his social status nor his bank account. Not his trade nor his profession.
An American is one who loves justice and believes in the dignity of man. An American is one who will fight for his freedom and that of his neighbor. An American is one who will sacrifice prosperity, ease and security in order that he and his children may retain the rights of free men. An American is one in whose heart is engraved the immortal second sentence of the Declaration of Independence.

You saying that America is only America, with one religion backing it, it not what America is about.



Had dinner with him three weeks ago. we talked then

So he said to you that his dad failed to kill him? Or just didn't do it. JP may have a few issues with your "dramitic license" on his life...


10)you must really not like this country..

Are you deliberatley acting dumb

No more so than you.


12) creame puff...

and now you attack my sexuality


ermm... no. I could care less as to who/what you are attracted to as long as they are a consenting... adult"whatever". It's not a negitive thing that I said.. "creame puff". I guess that's an "English Thing" I wouldn't understand... I was referring to you being "weak".



13)Talking about the US in a negative way.. has a bearing on me. Happy to educate you.

I'm not talking about her Negatively...at least I'm not distroying her...like you seem to be doing


My my my.. when you talk about what America was founded for.. compared to what it is.. they way you are.. yes that is being negitive.


No. Rome is gone, the middle east is gone...

Last I checked.. my globe and maps.. they were still there.



really only America is left untouched.


Nice of you to say, but not really accurate.



15)and alluded to the fact that you don't know Jens' real history..


I know about all there is to no about him, without actually living near him where physical contact on a regular basis would be viable. You dont want to go there with me dearest.

Two things... don't flirt with me. And if you know so much, why would you make a crappy early life seem even worse.



16) ermmm.. Lincoln was the 16th(?) President... there is no law against being a Christian President. What does that have to do with the founding of the Country?? The Gettysburg Address was and STILL is very moving..."this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government: of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Beautiful!!!!

and completely meaningless to you.

Not at all, you just don't want to understand what it means.



17)Maybe on your tour through the US you should have visited Arlington National Cemetery.. you would see many people that represent different religions..

Ran out of time, I did say that...pay attention to my trip threads

I have only so much time in my day. And had you been able to visit, you wouldn't hint that you agree that only Christians could be Americans.

Tyburn
10-16-2009, 05:06 PM
1)Well.. your being rude.. for no reason.. or at best, an uneducated reason.

I most certainly am not being rude. You dont even seem to be able to read!

Then why are you still posting and expecting replies? Noone finds you funny, noone even finds this entertaining anymore. They cant be bothered to read it...and I'm begining to see there is no point in writing it.

Because you have been telling Americans what "America is". And your wrong.


No. I'm not wrong :)
I'm an Institution what do you mean by that

You have been here probably from day one, you (at one time) took pride in the HUGE post count.. your posts are legendary for there legnth.. not necessarly depth.. but very verbose.

I know its hard to believe, but I am in fact just another human being, just another patron. The forum doesnt stop when I go on holiday...and incidently what good is a high post count and long replies, if noone ever reads what you put anyway :huh:

How could you have missed Andreas...He used to be...EVERYWHERE on here. I'm talking about Hughes_GOAT

I know who Hughes_Goat is/was.. I had threads with him also.. but I don't remember him having a Tyburn vs Goat thread...

EVERY THREAD for the best part of FIVE MONTHS was Andreas/Dave. :laugh:

6) I am trying really hard not to be intimidating... or rude. And it's not really calling you out... don't be so serious... "everything including the kitchen sink"

Try harder.

Get a thicker skin.. I have hardly said anything "mean" to you. Hardly.

Why would I want a thicker skin? you miss out on life if your unable to feel. You are rude, and you are hostile, and you dont seem to have understood a word im saying. Nevermind that im telling you what you should do...just what is it that I am telling you to do?? THATS the important thing. Not the fact im telling, but what it is I am telling.

Why dont you paraphrase my point of view.

8) You sure your not American?? The aarogance... it feels like it's from New Jersey...


Define American


Not You. But seriously...

A native or inhabitant of America/A citizen of the United States. What constitutes an American? Not color nor race nor religion. Not the pedigree of his family nor the place of his birth. Not the coincidence of his citizenship. Not his social status nor his bank account. Not his trade nor his profession.
An American is one who loves justice and believes in the dignity of man. An American is one who will fight for his freedom and that of his neighbor. An American is one who will sacrifice prosperity, ease and security in order that he and his children may retain the rights of free men. An American is one in whose heart is engraved the immortal second sentence of the Declaration of Independence.

You saying that America is only America, with one religion backing it, it not what America is about.

You love justice? Justice...and yet you dont think you should help out your fellow man? Fighting for freedom? the only freedom you fight for is your selfish own...not actually the rest of your citizens....so forget the neighbor...Junie was your Neighbor, fat lot of good you did or suggested for him! you dont care for anyone else but yourself...and that is NOT america...that is the small mindedness that YOU have imposed on the constitution...ever wonder why some of the original States were called "commonwealth" do you even know what a "commonwealth" is? Sacrifice prosperity?? you admitted you wont support people at your own disadvantage.

Sure....alot of those traits define Americans...but not in the way you are applying them

So off you go quoteing the very ideas to me, that I tell you, that you should be living...but somehow I'm wrong. Stop spouting words, and start living those words.
Had dinner with him three weeks ago. we talked then

So he said to you that his dad failed to kill him? Or just didn't do it. JP may have a few issues with your "dramitic license" on his life...

Yeah, he spent about ten mins in the carpark after lunch, thanking me for what I have written about him online. For the support that I have given him, for the fact that I care about him, and that I am not afraid to argue with other fans of other fighters on his behalf rather then theirs...then he hugged me and asked me if I could please send him the links to the book review I did for his book and Never...because he only hard a hard copy. He smiled when he read the hard copy...

if you want to read it yourself...here is the link

http://www.mmahitpit.com/diaries/alldiaries/bookreviews/fighters/jenspulver
12) creame puff...

and now you attack my sexuality


ermm... no. I could care less as to who/what you are attracted to as long as they are a consenting... adult"whatever". It's not a negitive thing that I said.. "creame puff". I guess that's an "English Thing" I wouldn't understand... I was referring to you being "weak".

So they dont call Homosexuals "puffs" where you come from. Whatever. You verge on lying, and its a discredit to yourself.



No. Rome is gone, the middle east is gone...

Last I checked.. my globe and maps.. they were still there.


Rome has been gone as a powerful symbol of Christianity since just before the birth of your Nation. To call it a vestege of Christondom is not true. It cant control its own believers, it has little to no power, and when it did have power it abused it horribly. The days of Rome being the centre of Christianity are gone. Sorry you missed the Memo
really only America is left untouched.


Nice of you to say, but not really accurate.


No...your right....it already being tarnished by people with YOUR believefs ad ideals.

Two things... don't flirt with me.

In your bloody dreams




I have only so much time in my day.

Well, I suggest you prioritize and do your research before you decide to speak to me like you've done over the course of this week. Not enough time...? if you cant do it properly, dont do it at all.

Now would be a good time to end this, as its obvious that we wont get any further and noone else is in the slightest bit interested.

later

:)

and with that, I bid you fairwell.

Spiritwalker
10-16-2009, 06:42 PM
If you could only understand that America is founded with no religions leanings.

Granted the founders of the country were probably all Christian, that doesn't mean that's what they belived what the country should revolve around.

You say it should. Your wrong.

You say I don't care about the "Junie Browning's of the world".. I care in that it stinks that they are in what ever bad sitition that they are in, but taking Browning for example.. He has had multiple shots to "be a better person".. he won't capitalize on them.. no longer my concern.

You say ALOT of things.. you make a lot of statements, and I truely do agree with you on a lot of things you say, but to say that it's a companies obligation to ensure it's workers are "of sound mind".. to say that "we should do everything we can.. to help everyone no matter what.." is very naive. Your comments on life make me think you would be one of the first to drop the rifle when it came time to fight...

You have over dramatized your interaction with our police, yet you say I am crying for attention..

You have called me a racists, accused me of attacking your sexuality, said that I was "mean", rude, hostile, selfish, stupid and probably other things that I glanced over.. You even implied that if I was not a Christian I was not American and I should stop trying...


Now with all of that in your mind.. look back over my history here. I have never bashed anyone as much as I have you in the past few days.. I have called you "weak willed", horribly naive, and more arrogant than I. You even called me a liar.. or on the verge of lying... (what ever that means)

I have implyed that you know less than 1/2 of what you talk about when you speak of America.

I have also said at the beginning that your a "good guy" and that I generally like you. .. I wonder who the hostile one really is..

WHOELSE have I EVER spoken to on the board like I have you?

I have been on the phone with several members here. Met several of them. Done some favors for. I even sent Christmas CDs to people (you being one of them). Yet I am "cruel", dispassionate, hurtful...

You say I don't fight for freedom.. while I was not in the military.. I have had my share of battles of freedom.. when was the last time you risked anything for someone without a known personal gain..? When was the last time you REALLY stodd up for what's right???? You didn't even stand up to the cop that was questioning you... "I almost.." " I should have.." and things like that are what I saw you post.. It's real easy to talk about standing up for what you belive in.. when you sitting down at a computer. It's much harder living it.

I wonder why I would have "all this venom" directed at a person that I have never said a "mean" thing about before...??? I wonder... maybe it's cause your talking out your arse about something I am EXTREMELY passionate about in a negitive way.

So please remember, even JB.. who I have had HEATED arguments/debates with.. it has never been personal. This bit between you and I, IS.

I wonder what you could have done to make me direct so much venom to you.

My wife saw me typing last night my big post.. she said "wow that's a lot".. I gave her the quick run down... she said "isn't that the guy in england that sent you the tea??"...

As far as grow a thicker skin.. dude.. you really need to if your going to survive the next 20 years. It's a rough world out there.. much more than you seem to think.

TexasRN
10-16-2009, 06:54 PM
It's time for this to be addressed in PMs from now on.



~Amy

Tyburn
10-16-2009, 07:44 PM
1) Your comments on life make me think you would be one of the first to drop the rifle when it came time to fight...

2) I have been on the phone with several members here. Met several of them. Done some favors for. I even sent Christmas CDs to people (you being one of them). Yet I am "cruel", dispassionate, hurtful...

3) when was the last time you risked anything for someone without a known personal gain..?

4)When was the last time you REALLY stodd up for what's right????

5) You didn't even stand up to the cop that was questioning you... "I almost.." " I should have.." and things like that are what I saw you post..
As far as grow a thicker skin.. dude.. you really need to if your going to survive the next 20 years. It's a rough world out there.. much more than you seem to think.

1) Nope. I wouldnt run...but I probably would end up being killed. I alright with that if it advances a cause I am passionate about. Its not tragic to die doing something you love, neither is it tragic if your death saves others even for a short while.

2) That rings a bell now you mention it.

3) im not a big risk taker.

4) this afternoon when I was typing to you.

5) I would have if she had tried something physical, but she never did. I have respect for authority, even if I dont aggree with what that authority figure says. Look at my record, I've never been in trouble with the police, I never skipped a lesson in my whole academic career, I was subject to a single personal detention in my whole academic career...you are talking to someone who values an office far more then a person in that office, even when really badly wronged I would not bring shame on an office or an institution that had acted in a totally wrong, and illegal manner...because the office deserves respect, I wont demean it to have my momentary personal revenge.

I have self discipline, and I have respect, I have morals and I have integrity...but that doesnt stop me from saying what I feel is right. It didnt stop me in person talking to people I had criticised in public on this very forum during my States trip. It didnt stop me also from correcting Jens on something...and it wouldnt have stopped me asking difficult questions to jon madson had I met him :laugh:

Suddenly, you approach me in a more reasonable fashion, if you had tried this approach to begin with, we might have got to this stage a lot quicker. If you cant separate your emotion from your rationality, then there is no point in speaking...you come across as to emotional and its not worth arguing with someone who cant be rational....FYI someone on this forum taught ME that lesson :ashamed:

Tyburn
10-16-2009, 07:45 PM
It's time for this to be addressed in PMs from now on.



~Amy

ooops


didnt see that...sorry...I think Amy is right...if you wanna respond my PM box is open :laugh: