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Neezar
09-25-2009, 04:56 AM
Nightline has a very interesting debate on tonight.

They have a debate with a panel of four. The debate is in a church in Texas. It is pretty interesting to say the least. lol



http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/10Commandments/affairs-cheating-nightline-face-off-debate-adultery-infidelity/story?id=8645026


You can click on video segments of the debate.


There is a pastor who is against adultery.
A recovering sex addict, against.
A woman with a husband and a girlfriend who says an open marriage isn't cheating.
A man who runs a website to help people cheat. He says it is healthy for the relationship. One example he gives is if the person is unhappy with their sex life then they cheat but stay, therefore, better for the relationship.










Exodus 20:14 -- Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Adultery. Every major religion condemns it, and in some cultures one can be stoned to death for engaging in it. For centuries, social stigmas and taboos have surrounded it.

The list of cheating spouses in the political arena alone are staggering; from Bill Clinton (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4165399&page=1) and John Edwards (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5441195&page=1) to Eliot Spitzer (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4424507&page=1) and Mark Sanford (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7966772&page=1).
Even swans, who are known to mate for life, are unfaithful partners, according to researchers.

Social scientists claim that there is not one culture in which adultery doesn't happen. In the United States, some reports say that one in three married men will cheat at some point; for women, the rate is one in four.

It is a thorny, contentious issue that brings along with it a multitude of questions. Are people born to cheat? Is the seventh commandment still relevant in a country where more than 40 percent of the marriages end in divorce (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/10Commandments/affairs-cheating-nightline-face-off-debate-adultery-infidelity/story?id=8645026#)? What constitutes adultery? Is lying worse than cheating (http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=8466534)?

To explore all of these questions, "Nightline" went out to the heart of the Bible belt for the fourth installment of the "Nightline Face-Off" (http://abcnews.go.com/nightline/faceoff) series, moderated by co-anchor Cynthia McFadden, asking simply: Are we born to cheat?

It was a packed house. More than 3,000 people -- mostly church members -- showed up to hear the different ideas from the four panelists, all of whom said they are happily married, but who had very different ideas about what constitutes cheating.

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MattHughesRocks
09-25-2009, 05:01 AM
It sounds like they think since people do it then it must be ok. :blink:

NateR
09-25-2009, 05:02 AM
Simple answer: yes. Cheating on a spouse comes naturally to everyone, which is one of the reasons why it is a sin.

Neezar
09-25-2009, 05:08 AM
(Biderman says he doesn't cheat.) Young (pastor) also took aim at Biderman's Web site, saying, "What if I supplied all the bomb-making materials to terrorists worldwide, but I said, 'Hey, I'm not a terrorist.'"

Young continued: "I deal with the broken homes. I deal with the children whose lives are up for grabs because someone is selfish enough to step outside the marriage and do what they want to do."






Biderman (guy with website) shot back in defense of his users.

"What I hear all the time is, 'Why cheat if it's not working for you, just leave.' That's the selfish act. Walking away from your family to pursue your own sexual needs, that's a sexual act," he said. "And so, what I hear from my members all the time is they're in sexless relationships, they've tried talking about it. And so rather than leave, they would rather do this. If you can't understand people in those positions, I don't really know what kind of pastor you are because they are suffering."

Neezar
09-25-2009, 05:15 AM
Pastor

Young kicked things off by encouraging Christians not only to engage in sex, but to enjoy it.

"Primarily, [sex is] for pleasure. Secondarily, it's for procreation," he said. "And when you have a man and a woman making love, then they're going to hit on all cylinders. And when you don't, when you step out of that relationship, the result is going to be chaos. I like Noel's line: 'Life is short.' OK, 'Have an affair,' but I would add three words: with ... your ... spouse."



:cool::laugh:

NateR
09-25-2009, 05:16 AM
"What I hear all the time is, 'Why cheat if it's not working for you, just leave.' That's the selfish act.

I think they are both selfish acts. Leaving your spouse just because "it's not working for you" is the cowards way out. Cheating on your spouse is equally selfish and destructive.

Josh
09-25-2009, 05:17 AM
Kind of interesting but that seems like a great opportunity to share the gospel by first telling people they are born sinful. Hope that pastor does so.

MattHughesRocks
09-25-2009, 05:25 AM
Don't forget about the ones that leave to "find themselves" :blink:

I think they are both selfish acts. Leaving your spouse just because "it's not working for you" is the cowards way out. Cheating on your spouse is equally selfish and destructive.

Neezar
09-25-2009, 05:33 AM
The one lady, Block ( has husband and girlfriend), made the statement that all doctors and psychiatrist encourage the couples with sexual problems to fantasize and role play to spice up the marriage. I was a little confused that she used this to defend her 'open' marriage. I think those are two totally different things.

:unsure-1: (At least, I sure hope they are.):laugh:

rockdawg21
09-25-2009, 11:23 AM
I think they are both selfish acts. Leaving your spouse just because "it's not working for you" is the cowards way out. Cheating on your spouse is equally selfish and destructive.

A'men!

adamt
09-25-2009, 02:29 PM
same argument people use to justify being sodomites....

not long before people use it to justify raping.... or murder.....


in fact i think their logic could be applied in perfect unison to raping.....

Llamafighter
09-25-2009, 03:20 PM
I think they are both selfish acts. Leaving your spouse just because "it's not working for you" is the cowards way out. Cheating on your spouse is equally selfish and destructive.

100 % agree