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atomdanger
09-11-2009, 07:28 PM
http://www.cagepotato.com/mma-vs-boxing-chapter-xxxviii-which-bob-arum-calls-us-bunch-skinheads-and-homosexuals

What's the best way to get an ancient boxing promoter to go off on a hilariously offensive rant about MMA? Send a young whippersnapper like Ariel Helwani to a press conference with a microphone and a shirt without a tie, then have him just mention the UFC and watch the bull**** fly.

LMAO wtf????

ufcfan2
09-11-2009, 09:32 PM
/shrug that his opinion and maybe hes right on some of it,but went about it all wrong..
I'll agree for now that boxing is more diverse than MMA,but that will change more sooner than later. Besides boxings been around alot longer than MMA so they've had a huge start on internationalizing boxing and will say a great job at it.
I also will say hes right about 'his generation' not understanding MMA so maybe one reason he don't like it.

bradwright
09-11-2009, 10:17 PM
boxing has been on a bit of a slide for a while now and a lot of what he had to say i think may be born of the resentment that he seems to have towards MMAs sudden prominence in the fight game.

oh well...

rockdawg21
09-11-2009, 10:59 PM
If I weren't such a fan of Pacqiuao, I'd avoid his events, but there's no way I'm missing Pac-Cotto - fight of the year candidate! :punch:

Chuck
09-11-2009, 11:27 PM
That's a pretty common attitude from that generation.... it's hard to grasp things you don't understand...

que
09-11-2009, 11:37 PM
it would have made sense if he said something like "mma is for idiots"

but to say "mma is for skinheads and homosexuals" doesn't even make sense.

i bet the demographic of homosexual MMA fans is 2% if even that. gay people tend to not like brutal violent sports. hell, most of the gay coworkers i have known won't even watch football because they say it is too brutal, and they will not watch MMA at all. the only homosexual person i have ever known who likes it is dave. gay people like to watch things like the ellen degeneres show and sex and the city... more feminine stuff... not UFC.

when he says skinheads does he mean real skinheads (nazi thug wannabes) or just people with shaved heads? i'm assuming he means nazi wannabe's and that is dumb. i bet they make up about 2% as well. most MMA fans are regular people.

Spiritwalker
09-11-2009, 11:39 PM
/shrug that his opinion and maybe hes right on some of it,but went about it all wrong..
I'll agree for now that boxing is more diverse than MMA,but that will change more sooner than later. Besides boxings been around alot longer than MMA so they've had a huge start on internationalizing boxing and will say a great job at it.
I also will say hes right about 'his generation' not understanding MMA so maybe one reason he don't like it.

how is boxing more diverse than MMA????

Boxing is .. boxing.. MMA is Boxing, wrestling, Jitz, karate, and whatever you want to throw in..

Now if you mean more diverse in who watches... that's getting deeper every day..

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 12:23 AM
it would have made sense if he said something like "mma is for idiots"

but to say "mma is for skinheads and homosexuals" doesn't even make sense.

i bet the demographic of homosexual MMA fans is 2% if even that. gay people tend to not like brutal violent sports. hell, most of the gay coworkers i have known won't even watch football because they say it is too brutal, and they will not watch MMA at all. the only homosexual person i have ever known who likes it is dave. gay people like to watch things like the ellen degeneres show and sex and the city... more feminine stuff... not UFC.

when he says skinheads does he mean real skinheads (nazi thug wannabes) or just people with shaved heads? i'm assuming he means nazi wannabe's and that is dumb. i bet they make up about 2% as well. most MMA fans are regular people.

Well firstly, there is a gym somewhere in the US, and MMA gym that was in the news at one time for being supremacist.

...as for homosexuals...I think more are likely to compete then watch to be honnest. There is large scale erotic fetishes surrounding wrestling certainly...havent come across anything like that with MMA...yet...but there are certainly a few homosexual fighters, that I think ive noticed...at the top of the pile is Frank Trigg...now he's a gay if ever i've seen one :laugh:

There is more to the gay community then the effeminate camps you know :laugh:

But the guy is just being rude because MMA has become the new Boxing of the combat sport world if that makes sense :)

Jason 16
09-12-2009, 02:30 AM
There is large scale erotic fetishes surrounding wrestling certainly

thats why gay people scare me :scared0015::scared0011:

MattHughesRocks
09-12-2009, 02:43 AM
Well that was a good laugh...what did you homos think? And 90% of the UFC audience has tattoos...ok so I believe that part :laugh:

He's just an old man, confused and grasping at straws for the love of a sport that not so many people care about anymore these days.Oh well :frantics:

que
09-12-2009, 05:19 AM
Well firstly, there is a gym somewhere in the US, and MMA gym that was in the news at one time for being supremacist.

...as for homosexuals...I think more are likely to compete then watch to be honnest. There is large scale erotic fetishes surrounding wrestling certainly...havent come across anything like that with MMA...yet...but there are certainly a few homosexual fighters, that I think ive noticed...at the top of the pile is Frank Trigg...now he's a gay if ever i've seen one :laugh:

There is more to the gay community then the effeminate camps you know :laugh:

But the guy is just being rude because MMA has become the new Boxing of the combat sport world if that makes sense :)

i forgot about frank trigg. he is definitely gay, i ran across some pictures of him i wish could be unseen. but you are right, there may be some erotic thing going on in the wrestling community especially, i haven't seen anything firsthand but you know more fighters than i do.

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 11:13 AM
thats why gay people scare me :scared0015::scared0011:

:laugh: the thing is, they all compete...so you'll never know who they are :laugh:

I bet Frank Trigg is one :ninja:

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 11:16 AM
i forgot about frank trigg. he is definitely gay, i ran across some pictures of him i wish could be unseen. but you are right, there may be some erotic thing going on in the wrestling community especially, i haven't seen anything firsthand but you know more fighters than i do.

well I havent seen it in MMA explicitly yet. I HAVE seen it in Wrestling, particularly submission wrestling, not so much Greco-Roman. Thats just a fact. Now some of the MMA fighters with Wrestling backgrounds might have encountered it prior to becoming MMA fighters.

As for Homosexuals in MMA, yes I think there are many, but I dont think its been fetishized like Wrestling. Wrestling is power play at the end of the day, its dominance and submission...MMA is power discourse, but knocking someone out is not the same as making them submit, even if it does show dominance. does that make sense? you cant help being knocked out...but you can help submitting.

cubsfan47
09-12-2009, 01:22 PM
Meh. I am older (62+) and I follow MMA. Regardless of one's physical age, it's all a question of your state of mind.

As I see MMA, it is exciting. It's certainly diverse: asians, hispanics, caucasian, african. There is a growing contingent of women in MMA,

As for Trigg and his preferences, or any one else's, I don't care. Let them do their talking with fists, knees, and elbows. That's all I care about.:)

VCURamFan
09-12-2009, 02:29 PM
:laugh: the thing is, they all compete...so you'll never know who they are :laugh:

I bet Frank Trigg is one :ninja:
He's not alone.:Whistle:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8153677270851269335&q=phil+baroni+workout+video&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0#
(those with weak stomachs should avoid 2:26-3:00 :sick:)

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 02:29 PM
Meh. I am older (62+) and I follow MMA. Regardless of one's physical age, it's all a question of your state of mind.

As I see MMA, it is exciting. It's certainly diverse: asians, hispanics, caucasian, african. There is a growing contingent of women in MMA,

As for Trigg and his preferences, or any one else's, I don't care. Let them do their talking with fists, knees, and elbows. That's all I care about.:)

you raise a good point. There is a secondary catchment age as well as the obvious 15-35 age range...strangely its around 65-80. I know SEVERAL elderly Women who will watch the UFC when given a chance...they grew up watching Professional Wrestling...and just like me are capable of making the switch...violence doesnt seem to bother them at all :laugh:

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 02:36 PM
He's not alone.:Whistle:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8153677270851269335&q=phil+baroni+workout+video&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0#
(those with weak stomachs should avoid 2:26-3:00 :sick:)

:laugh: Well yes, bodybuilding can be a big fad...but its not as popular as it used to be...bit like baroni :laugh:

VCURamFan
09-12-2009, 02:41 PM
:laugh: Well yes, bodybuilding can be a big fad...but its not as popular as it used to be...bit like baroni :laugh:
Whenever my buddies start blathering on too much about weight-lifting & their latest work-outs & the next great plan they'll be starting & whether it's better to bench 4 at 285 or 6 at 265, I just say "Man, y'all should like, make a video about your lives. I bet it'd turn out like this one..."

They then shut up about the gym in front of me for about a week or so!:laugh:

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 02:51 PM
Whenever my buddies start blathering on too much about weight-lifting & their latest work-outs & the next great plan they'll be starting & whether it's better to bench 4 at 285 or 6 at 265, I just say "Man, y'all should like, make a video about your lives. I bet it'd turn out like this one..."

They then shut up about the gym in front of me for about a week or so!:laugh:

:laugh:thats so mean...but very funny! :laugh:

VCURamFan
09-12-2009, 03:01 PM
:laugh:thats so mean...but very funny! :laugh:
Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do!

atomdanger
09-12-2009, 07:08 PM
Well firstly, there is a gym somewhere in the US, and MMA gym that was in the news at one time for being supremacist.



In fairness to mma, that wasn't really a gym.
That was a group of Nazi Skinheads who had the space and made a private gym for themselves to train to fight at.

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 07:50 PM
In fairness to mma, that wasn't really a gym.
That was a group of Nazi Skinheads who had the space and made a private gym for themselves to train to fight at.

It wasnt a private gym. Though I cant remember any of the details, I remember watching a programme about it.

VCURamFan
09-12-2009, 07:55 PM
It wasnt a private gym. Though I cant remember any of the details, I remember watching a programme about it.
It wasn't a "programme" it was a video link from these forums. It was a bunch of Neo-Nazis who had a barn/garage/shed thing out in the woods where they trained "MMA" for the upcoming race wars. It was not a legit gym, it was a not even good MMA, it was a private group of Nazis punching each other.

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 07:58 PM
It wasn't a "programme" it was a video link from these forums. It was a bunch of Neo-Nazis who had a barn/garage/shed thing out in the woods where they trained "MMA" for the upcoming race wars. It was not a legit gym, it was a not even good MMA, it was a private group of Nazis punching each other.

no...not THAT gym :rolleyes:

this was a different one, well established, nice property, well equipped...I dont think they were Nazi, I think they were just white supremacists...just terribly racist

VCURamFan
09-12-2009, 08:00 PM
no...not THAT gym :rolleyes:

this was a different one, well established, nice property, well equipped...I dont think they were Nazi, I think they were just white supremacists...just terribly racistThat's what Neo-Nazis are, Dave. I'm pretty sure you've mixed stuff up in your mind. You saw the video, assumed it was a "well established, nice property, well equipped" gym. Unless you've actually got a link to the vid/article you're imagining, I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on this.

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 08:06 PM
That's what Neo-Nazis are, Dave. I'm pretty sure you've mixed stuff up in your mind. You saw the video, assumed it was a "well established, nice property, well equipped" gym. Unless you've actually got a link to the vid/article you're imagining, I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on this.

give me a second and I'll try to find it online :blink:

VCURamFan
09-12-2009, 08:09 PM
give me a second and I'll try to find it online :blink:
One-Mississippi. Time's up, where's my link??????:frantics:

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 08:37 PM
:unsure-1: maybe your right :ashamed:

:laugh:

VCURamFan
09-12-2009, 09:05 PM
:unsure-1: maybe your right :ashamed:

:laugh:YES! Ben, 2, Dave 0!!!:happydancing::happydancing:

atomdanger
09-12-2009, 09:38 PM
It wasnt a private gym. Though I cant remember any of the details, I remember watching a programme about it.

Hmm, I wonder if its a different one.
Were you thinking of this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pxhx4d-w0k

This is the one I was thinking of, it is private.

atomdanger
09-12-2009, 09:39 PM
It wasn't a "programme" it was a video link from these forums. It was a bunch of Neo-Nazis who had a barn/garage/shed thing out in the woods where they trained "MMA" for the upcoming race wars. It was not a legit gym, it was a not even good MMA, it was a private group of Nazis punching each other.

Really?
The one I saw was a legitimate discovery channel show about it.

VCURamFan
09-12-2009, 09:46 PM
Really?
The one I saw was a legitimate discovery channel show about it.
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. A bunch of skinheads out in the woods.

atomdanger
09-12-2009, 10:42 PM
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. A bunch of skinheads out in the woods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pxhx4d-w0k

Yeah, I don't know about in the woods(they are in Baltimore), but they do have a decent setup.

Tyburn
09-12-2009, 11:49 PM
yes...I think that was the one actually :laugh:

KENTUCKYREDBONE
09-13-2009, 01:06 AM
Your gonna find a few of everything in all walks of life and every sport! But I highly doubt that MMA has anymore weirdo's for fans than any other sport!

Jonlion
09-13-2009, 08:39 PM
Arum is hilarious, is the older generation that just don't understand it.

Interesting to see how he knows the Fertitta's ad Dana White, which all goes to show that its all ann old boys cub involved in promoting and all that.

Buc Nasty
09-28-2009, 11:45 AM
Bob Arum is gay and wears a wig.

J.B.
09-28-2009, 02:28 PM
Bob Arum is a fool, but then again he always has been.

Fighters and Promoters are basically hype-men, like Billy Mays and Flava Flav rolled into one. For the most part they do their best to promote their product and their product only. The boxing vs MMA debate is mostly driven by the internet peanut gallery and a few nut-hugging "journalists" on both sides of the spectrum. Occasionally, a fighter will come out and comment on the other sport and no matter what they say, positive or negative, the people online find a way to drag the debate on even further in what may actually be one of the single biggest time-wasting activities know to man next to watching paint dry.

MMA is great, but it has it's problems that stem from the top down in the industry. Boxing has it's problems too, but it is by no means "dead" or "dying". The complete mopping of the floor on PPV buys that Mayweather did to UFC 103 is proof of that. Both sports are great, and both will co-exist, end of story.

Crisco
09-28-2009, 06:03 PM
Bob Arum is a fool, but then again he always has been.

Fighters and Promoters are basically hype-men, like Billy Mays and Flava Flav rolled into one. For the most part they do their best to promote their product and their product only. The boxing vs MMA debate is mostly driven by the internet peanut gallery and a few nut-hugging "journalists" on both sides of the spectrum. Occasionally, a fighter will come out and comment on the other sport and no matter what they say, positive or negative, the people online find a way to drag the debate on even further in what may actually be one of the single biggest time-wasting activities know to man next to watching paint dry.

MMA is great, but it has it's problems that stem from the top down in the industry. Boxing has it's problems too, but it is by no means "dead" or "dying". The complete mopping of the floor on PPV buys that Mayweather did to UFC 103 is proof of that. Both sports are great, and both will co-exist, end of story.

That because it was a super card by boxing standards.

Lets compare Lesnar to money's buys, the two biggest draws in their respective sports.

Not saying boxing is dying it just ain't what it use to be.

MMA is the new hotness.

J.B.
09-28-2009, 08:24 PM
That because it was a super card by boxing standards.

Lets compare Lesnar to money's buys, the two biggest draws in their respective sports.

Not saying boxing is dying it just ain't what it use to be.

MMA is the new hotness.

Not really bro, in fact the whole Mayweather/Marquez fight has gotten mostly negative criticism by the PBF Hate Machine since it was originally announced. Boxing fans REALLY want PBF vs Pac-Man, no question. While it WAS a good match-up of two of the top contenders in the sport, it was still downplayed by the Floyd Hate Machine and by a few so called "journalists" in the sport.

With that being said, why would you suggest that we should compare Brock Lesnar to Floyd Mayweather? Seriously? I got a lot of love for ya Cris, even though we have not always seen eye to eye on everything, but really, that comparison is completely ridiculous on many levels.

First off, UFC 100, which was Lesnar's biggest draw, does not even touch what Mayweather vs De La Hoya got, period. Secondly, you are using the ONLY guy in UFC who has a celebrity status outside of the UFC to gauge your opinion on. Just sayin....lol.... like it or not, WWF (yes WWF cuz WWE is not what I grew up with) is MUCH bigger than UFC. It's just a fact of life.

Boxing is NOT dead, dying, or going anywhere, plain and simple. MMA is great, I love it, I have always loved it, but I have grown sick of MMA fans trying to discredit boxing and make it seem like it's "dead" when it could not be further from the truth.

Bottom line is that actions speak louder than words... HBO's PPV number are a matter of public record. UFC is a private company for a reason. Boxing is alive and well, and it always has been.

Crisco
09-28-2009, 08:27 PM
Not really bro, in fact the whole Mayweather/Marquez fight has gotten mostly negative criticism by the PBF Hate Machine since it was originally announced. Boxing fans REALLY want PBF vs Pac-Man, no question. While it WAS a good match-up of two of the top contenders in the sport, it was still downplayed by the Floyd Hate Machine and by a few so called "journalists" in the sport.

With that being said, why would you suggest that we should compare Brock Lesnar to Floyd Mayweather? Seriously? I got a lot of love for ya Cris, even though we have not always seen eye to eye on everything, but really, that comparison is completely ridiculous on many levels.

First off, UFC 100, which was Lesnar's biggest draw, does not even touch what Mayweather vs De La Hoya got, period. Secondly, you are using the ONLY guy in UFC who has a celebrity status outside of the UFC to gauge your opinion on. Just sayin....lol.... like it or not, WWF (yes WWF cuz WWE is not what I grew up with) is MUCH bigger than UFC. It's just a fact of life.

Boxing is NOT dead, dying, or going anywhere, plain and simple. MMA is great, I love it, I have always loved it, but I have grown sick of MMA fans trying to discredit boxing and make it seem like it's "dead" when it could not be further from the truth.

Bottom line is that actions speak louder than words... HBO's PPV number are a matter of public record. UFC is a private company for a reason. Boxing is alive and well, and it always has been.

I guess my point was if you had a card without Pac or Money on it does it even come close to what a solid UFC card does?

I'm not saying boxing is dead it's just the glory days are gone. Not enough star power left and if they don't make Money fight Pac-man soon I'm going to get pissy about it haha.

I don't care for either of them very much but they are the best and they def need to fight.

J.B.
09-29-2009, 07:34 PM
I guess my point was if you had a card without Pac or Money on it does it even come close to what a solid UFC card does?

I'm not saying boxing is dead it's just the glory days are gone. Not enough star power left and if they don't make Money fight Pac-man soon I'm going to get pissy about it haha.

I don't care for either of them very much but they are the best and they def need to fight.

There are still plenty of big names in Boxing, just not very many here in America that are up and coming. Roy Jones still does a solid pull, even though he has been fighting nobodies lately, he will be fighting Bernard Hopkins next year and I guarantee that will do well. Also, Friday Night Fights on ESPN and Boxing on HBO and Showtime still do well. In reality, Boxing gives away a lot more fights on regular or premium TV than they do actual Pay-Per-Views, so it's no surprise that UFC on average has a better PPV draw, because PPV's account for MOST of the UFC's time on television.

What I don't understand is where people get the idea that boxing suddenly stopped being popular? It's like ever since MMA has started to a taste of SOME mainstream success, all these people think its going to be the end of boxing. Boxing can and WILL remain popular, even with MMA becoming a major player in the game.

My personal opinion is that this is one of the best times in boxing to be a fan, simply because so many of the meathead fans left the flock to go watch MMA. Bottom line is that most people just like watching knockouts, so they tune into both sports for those things, but MMA fans over the past couple years have gotten a little ridiculous. It drives me nuts to see casual fans at a bar who act tough wearing Affliction shirts that are too small for them yet they don't know what PRIDE FC was, or even worse, they hear the name of fighter they know is from back in the day and they immediately are like "OHHH, that guy is AWESOME!!!". I'm sure you've met a fan like that, Lord knows I that I have seen many. 10-15 years ago, those same type of fans flooded boxing, and they still do today, but for the most part they seemed to have jumped ship for MMA, and more notably UFC, because most of those fans consider MMA to be UFC.

Mayweather and Pac will fight, but not on Bob Arum's terms. Floyd deserves the better part of the deal, and the whole boxing world knows it, even those who won't admit it. Floyd is the better draw and there is no question about it, the numbers prove it. I will agree with you that the star power is not what it was a decade ago, but boxing still has a very solid and stable fanbase that has lasted for hundreds of years and it's even been an Olympic sport since 688 BC.

I think Boxing will be just fine. :)

rearnakedchoke
09-29-2009, 07:43 PM
There are still plenty of big names in Boxing, just not very many here in America that are up and coming. Roy Jones still does a solid pull, even though he has been fighting nobodies lately, he will be fighting Bernard Hopkins next year and I guarantee that will do well. Also, Friday Night Fights on ESPN and Boxing on HBO and Showtime still do well. In reality, Boxing gives away a lot more fights on regular or premium TV than they do actual Pay-Per-Views, so it's no surprise that UFC on average has a better PPV draw, because PPV's account for MOST of the UFC's time on television.

What I don't understand is where people get the idea that boxing suddenly stopped being popular? It's like ever since MMA has started to a taste of SOME mainstream success, all these people think its going to be the end of boxing. Boxing can and WILL remain popular, even with MMA becoming a major player in the game.

My personal opinion is that this is one of the best times in boxing to be a fan, simply because so many of the meathead fans left the flock to go watch MMA. Bottom line is that most people just like watching knockouts, so they tune into both sports for those things, but MMA fans over the past couple years have gotten a little ridiculous. It drives me nuts to see casual fans at a bar who act tough wearing Affliction shirts that are too small for them yet they don't know what PRIDE FC was, or even worse, they hear the name of fighter they know is from back in the day and they immediately are like "OHHH, that guy is AWESOME!!!". I'm sure you've met a fan like that, Lord knows I that I have seen many. 10-15 years ago, those same type of fans flooded boxing, and they still do today, but for the most part they seemed to have jumped ship for MMA, and more notably UFC, because most of those fans consider MMA to be UFC.

Mayweather and Pac will fight, but not on Bob Arum's terms. Floyd deserves the better part of the deal, and the whole boxing world knows it, even those who won't admit it. Floyd is the better draw and there is no question about it, the numbers prove it. I will agree with you that the star power is not what it was a decade ago, but boxing still has a very solid and stable fanbase that has lasted for hundreds of years and it's even been an Olympic sport since 688 BC.

I think Boxing will be just fine. :)

I have to agree ... has boxing lost some fans? maybe, or there has just been a bigger focus on mma right now ... a sport that is hundreds of years old doen't just die .. they are in a transition period right now ... if a guy like money can sell a million ppv's, another up and coming guy will be around to sell those types of numbers in the future ....

rockdawg21
09-29-2009, 07:50 PM
There are still plenty of big names in Boxing, just not very many here in America that are up and coming. Roy Jones still does a solid pull, even though he has been fighting nobodies lately, he will be fighting Bernard Hopkins next year and I guarantee that will do well. Also, Friday Night Fights on ESPN and Boxing on HBO and Showtime still do well. In reality, Boxing gives away a lot more fights on regular or premium TV than they do actual Pay-Per-Views, so it's no surprise that UFC on average has a better PPV draw, because PPV's account for MOST of the UFC's time on television.

What I don't understand is where people get the idea that boxing suddenly stopped being popular? It's like ever since MMA has started to a taste of SOME mainstream success, all these people think its going to be the end of boxing. Boxing can and WILL remain popular, even with MMA becoming a major player in the game.

My personal opinion is that this is one of the best times in boxing to be a fan, simply because so many of the meathead fans left the flock to go watch MMA. Bottom line is that most people just like watching knockouts, so they tune into both sports for those things, but MMA fans over the past couple years have gotten a little ridiculous. It drives me nuts to see casual fans at a bar who act tough wearing Affliction shirts that are too small for them yet they don't know what PRIDE FC was, or even worse, they hear the name of fighter they know is from back in the day and they immediately are like "OHHH, that guy is AWESOME!!!". I'm sure you've met a fan like that, Lord knows I that I have seen many. 10-15 years ago, those same type of fans flooded boxing, and they still do today, but for the most part they seemed to have jumped ship for MMA, and more notably UFC, because most of those fans consider MMA to be UFC.

Mayweather and Pac will fight, but not on Bob Arum's terms. Floyd deserves the better part of the deal, and the whole boxing world knows it, even those who won't admit it. Floyd is the better draw and there is no question about it, the numbers prove it. I will agree with you that the star power is not what it was a decade ago, but boxing still has a very solid and stable fanbase that has lasted for hundreds of years and it's even been an Olympic sport since 688 BC.

I think Boxing will be just fine. :)
Agreed, boxing hasn't had a large number of exciting fights in the most recent years, but there are records being set/busted thanks to the combination of the De La Hoya, Mayweather, Hatton, and Pacquiao fights.

LOL, I'm with you JB, somewhere on here I did an in-person survey of idiots wearing Affliction and they hadn't any idea what it was. They just like the shirts. I was in KC and did something in regards to Fox Racing and Affliction, and it was something like 1/10 actually knew what Affliction was and 1/5 actually knew what Fox Racing was. I understand, they look cool if you're into that, but it makes you look like a tool if you're jocking their stuff and haven't a clue what it's really all about.

Buc Nasty
09-29-2009, 07:50 PM
I've loved boxing since I was a kid and there are good fights out there but if Pac beats Cotto and then we get Pac v PBF, what else is there after that? Maybe the winner v Mosley but not much else.

J.B.
09-29-2009, 09:47 PM
I've loved boxing since I was a kid and there are good fights out there but if Pac beats Cotto and then we get Pac v PBF, what else is there after that? Maybe the winner v Mosley but not much else.

What about guys like Paul Williams and Chad Dawson? I think they are great fighters to watch even if the match ups are not the best in the world.

rockdawg21
09-29-2009, 11:54 PM
What about guys like Paul Williams and Chad Dawson? I think they are great fighters to watch even if the match ups are not the best in the world.
I don't know Dawson, but the big names are terrified to fight Williams. He's jumping weight classes like Mayweather & Pac & beating everybody in his path. Problem is, if somebody like Mosley fights Williams, Mosley would have a big end to his career, while Williams would start to become a household name. It's too bad some guys just get avoided throughout their careers.

J.B.
09-30-2009, 05:56 AM
I don't know Dawson, but the big names are terrified to fight Williams. He's jumping weight classes like Mayweather & Pac & beating everybody in his path. Problem is, if somebody like Mosley fights Williams, Mosley would have a big end to his career, while Williams would start to become a household name. It's too bad some guys just get avoided throughout their careers.

Chad Dawson is great. Floyd SR. used to train him, now he is with Eddie Mustafa, but the guy is awesome to watch. Not many people want a piece of Dawson right now...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Dawson_Harding136.jpg/736px-Dawson_Harding136.jpg

And yeah, it's pretty much known that nobody wants to fight Paul Williams...He is also a friggin GIANT for a welterweight.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/69/PaulWilliams.png/720px-PaulWilliams.png

Dude is bad like Michael Jackson in 1989....:wink:

rockdawg21
09-30-2009, 10:32 AM
I've seen him somewhere, I recognize his face. Was he on the undercard of Mayweather-Hatton, Mayweather-DLH, or any of the Pac fights?

J.B.
04-04-2010, 09:36 PM
I was reading some stuff today that made me remember Arum's stupid comments and this thread, so I thought it would be funny to dig this up....

For those that don't want to go back through everything, here is a video of the original interview with Arum. :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4fIkly8-cI

On a side note, here is a response video from HDNet's Inside MMA with Bas Rutten. Also, GSP openly admits that it's true and he is in fact a skinhead and a homosexual. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-4R5UR_qeM&NR=1


It's also funny if you go back over my few posts in this thread and see some of the striking similarities in my arguments from 8 months ago, and how they stack up to things I have been saying recently. I even mentioned the Roy Jones/Bernard Hopkins match :cool: :laugh:

flo
04-04-2010, 11:15 PM
I missed this post the first time around.

Of course, I HAD to click on Ben's link of Phil Baroni after his enticement "if you have a strong stomach!".

Phil is definitely a gay skinhead.

:happydancing:

Thanks for the link, JB, I thought GSP was very funny.

J.B.
04-04-2010, 11:34 PM
I missed this post the first time around.

Of course, I HAD to click on Ben's link of Phil Baroni after his enticement "if you have a strong stomach!".

Phil is definitely a gay skinhead.

:happydancing:

Thanks for the link, JB, I thought GSP was very funny.

No prob Flo :wink:

Hey, let me ask you, what do you take from Bob Arum's statement?

I assume, like any MMA fan, you laugh at his comments but to me it's bothering that Dana associates himself with Arum in any way whatsoever. I'm not saying that Dana agrees with Arum's comments on MMA, but over the last few years Dana has clearly aligned himself on the "anti-Mayweather" side every time he talks about Boxing, and most MMA fans who don't follow Boxing do not understand where the core of that hype comes from...That IS Bob Arum. Five years ago, Arum told the world that Mayweather was the best fighter since Sugar Ray Leonard, then when he tried to blanket Floyd and build him up to preserve his cash-cow, Floyd left him and fought Oscar de la Hoya and had the biggest PPV in Boxing history. Now Bob is bitter and will tell you Floyd sucks. Go figure. :rolleyes:

As a hardcore fight fan, and lover of MMA, it really bothers me that the biggest promoter in MMA (Dana White) is actually following the path of the most CORRUPT promoter in history (Bob Arum). I don't even need to provide links when calling Arum a cheat, it is something that is easily googled, and plain as day.

:sad:

flo
04-05-2010, 12:03 AM
I don't know a whole lot about boxing, JB, so my comments don't carry much weight. But I have opinions on everything! :laugh: I was a fan during the Ali days and my favorite fighter was George Foreman (the 1st!, lol).

Dana has built up an incredible money maker in the UFC and brought legitimacy to the sport of MMA in general. So I would think he's simply not burning his bridges by not distancing himself from Arum (or outright condemning him).

He doesn't need him (Arum) and I think it diminishes Dana.

J.B.
04-05-2010, 12:25 AM
I don't know a whole lot about boxing, JB, so my comments don't carry much weight. But I have opinions on everything! :laugh: I was a fan during the Ali days and my favorite fighter was George Foreman (the 1st!, lol).

Dana has built up an incredible money maker in the UFC and brought legitimacy to the sport of MMA in general. So I would think he's simply not burning his bridges by not distancing himself from Arum (or outright condemning him).

He doesn't need him (Arum) and I think it diminishes Dana.

I'm a Foreman fan too! :cool:

It's okay Flo. That's the beautiful thing about the "fight game", as I call it, be it Boxing or MMA. That's why it is easy to understand when you break it down, and it doesn't take a historian to tell fans WHY they should watch certain fights. Similar to why the Super Bowl draws the viewers it does, or the fact that everybody becomes an NCAA Basketball fan during the first two weeks of March. People are smart enough to put 2 and 2 together, FOR THE MOST PART, but you always have fans, myself included, who just go off on an emotional rant without giving reasonable thought to their words.

I think that is where one of the biggest divides between the competitors and promoters comes into play. This is something that is easily proven by Bob Arums words (as he is one of this era's BIGGEST promoters). Competitors may feel they are ready for one thing or another, but the promoter who is putting a ton of money behind that guy may feel scared to lose their cash-cow. Ultimately the promoters go for what makes the most money IN THE LONG RUN, because they are not the ones who have to actually risk their health, unlike the athletes themselves.

Promoters, especially Arum, are basically scum IMO. :cry:

VCURamFan
04-05-2010, 12:56 AM
I missed this post the first time around.

Of course, I HAD to click on Ben's link of Phil Baroni after his enticement "if you have a strong stomach!".

Phil is definitely a gay skinhead.

:happydancing:

Thanks for the link, JB, I thought GSP was very funny.
O, you mean this one?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8153677270851269335&q=phil+baroni+workout+video&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0#

J.B.
04-05-2010, 01:02 AM
O, you mean this one?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8153677270851269335&q=phil+baroni+workout+video&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0#

I counter your hard to stomach video with one of my own...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1DRg-Gx-zE

VCURamFan
04-05-2010, 01:17 AM
I counter your hard to stomach video with one of my own...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1DRg-Gx-zE
I slip your punch & shoot the leg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwvAhuL9dVQ&NR=1

J.B.
04-05-2010, 01:26 AM
I slip your punch & shoot the leg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwvAhuL9dVQ&NR=1

And then I come with the un-conventional KO from the bottom with a basketball replay that was more gruesome than all the fights I watched on Saturday...:laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex2ryik9j9g

VCURamFan
04-05-2010, 01:36 AM
And then I come with the un-conventional KO from the bottom with a basketball replay that was more gruesome than all the fights I watched on Saturday...:laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex2ryik9j9g
Dang up-kicks! I always forget to watch out for those!! :frantics:

But later in the hospital ER I cheap-shot you with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIcx_rxTstc

J.B.
04-05-2010, 02:53 AM
Dang up-kicks! I always forget to watch out for those!! :frantics:

But later in the hospital ER I cheap-shot you with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIcx_rxTstc

Nice try bro...but u lose by the "O'reilly Rule"....You can't call on Papa Bear like that...:ninja:

:laugh:

flo
04-05-2010, 03:36 AM
O, you mean this one?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8153677270851269335&q=phil+baroni+workout+video&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0#
Yes, that's the one! :laugh: A little too much of Phil's booty...:unsure:

flo
04-05-2010, 03:38 AM
I counter your hard to stomach video with one of my own...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1DRg-Gx-zE

O-M-G

:no:

flo
04-05-2010, 03:40 AM
I slip your punch & shoot the leg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwvAhuL9dVQ&NR=1

Arrrrgh.

I think the baby picture was the most frightening...

flo
04-05-2010, 03:44 AM
And then I come with the un-conventional KO from the bottom with a basketball replay that was more gruesome than all the fights I watched on Saturday...:laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex2ryik9j9g

OK, you boys carry on. I can see I'm out of my depth here. :laugh::laugh::laugh:


(that O'Reilly rant is one of my favs, I'm glad it got Rickrolled :wink:

J.B.
04-05-2010, 03:51 AM
OK, you boys carry on. I can see I'm out of my depth here. :laugh::laugh::laugh:


(that O'Reilly rant is one of my favs, I'm glad it got Rickrolled :wink:

Don't act like u didn't see Andrew Bogut blow his elbow out Corey Hill style.......:laugh:

flo
04-05-2010, 04:34 AM
I saw that Corey Hill video once, JB...once was enough, I still wince thinking about it! :scared0011:

I was just wondering about him so looked him up on Wiki. It took him 11 mos to recover but he's had 2 fights since then (1-1) and working his way back. He has a lot of heart, eh? Someone here on the forums probably posted an update before but I missed it.

J.B.
04-05-2010, 04:52 AM
I saw that Corey Hill video once, JB...once was enough, I still wince thinking about it! :scared0011:

I was just wondering about him so looked him up on Wiki. It took him 11 mos to recover but he's had 2 fights since then (1-1) and working his way back. He has a lot of heart, eh? Someone here on the forums probably posted an update before but I missed it.

Corey Hill?

I think he had a comeback fight not too long ago...How did that work out?:wacko::huh:

It's hard to ever come back from "spaghetti leg".....

That's kinda like Bogut-arm, which I linked to earlier....:frantics:

flo
04-05-2010, 06:52 AM
I know, I know!! I'm trying not to think of Bogut arm! :scared0015::scared0011:

The slo-mo replay at the end of the tape was the WORST! :sick:

J.B.
04-05-2010, 07:11 AM
I know, I know!! I'm trying not to think of Bogut arm! :scared0015::scared0011:

The slo-mo replay at the end of the tape was the WORST! :sick:

MMMMM....Bogut-arm has become a staple here.....at least in terms of something U DONT want.....


:w00t: BOGUT ARM!!!!!!!

Seriously... he is out for the season...and that looked like it sucked balls...:cry::sad::blink::huh: SORRY BOG...much love, but that SUCKED!!!!

They don't make a guy with his hand over his face......(or I would score big own)

Psykojojo
04-05-2010, 03:44 PM
I wonder which one I am

Tyburn
04-05-2010, 03:55 PM
I wonder which one I am

:laugh: well your not a skin head are you... :laugh:

Psykojojo
04-05-2010, 04:47 PM
Well davie boy, I'm left with only one other option.....move on over

Tyburn
04-05-2010, 05:16 PM
Well davie boy, I'm left with only one other option.....move on over

:laugh::laugh:

you crack me up Jojo!