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Jonlion
09-05-2009, 01:58 PM
Ok, not a huge deal but rather out of curiousity, what is happening in Mark14:51?

Its after the betrayal and arrest of Jesus, one of the high priests ears has been cut off, Jesus calls them out for not seizing him when he was in the temple teaching, the apostles flee and then........

"and a young man followed him, with nothing but a linen cloth about his body. And they seized him but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked"

Its seems pretty innocuos and im it comes out randomly in the text, does it fulfil an Old testement prophecy, why do i suspect there is some more meaning, symbology to it?

Can anyone help?!

Boomer
09-05-2009, 02:10 PM
It's the scripture I use to justify praying naked at church ...

Tyburn
09-05-2009, 03:00 PM
It's the scripture I use to justify praying naked at church ...
:laugh:

Tyburn
09-05-2009, 03:03 PM
Ok, not a huge deal but rather out of curiousity, what is happening in Mark14:51?

Its after the betrayal and arrest of Jesus, one of the high priests ears has been cut off, Jesus calls them out for not seizing him when he was in the temple teaching, the apostles flee and then........

"and a young man followed him, with nothing but a linen cloth about his body. And they seized him but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked"

Its seems pretty innocuos and im it comes out randomly in the text, does it fulfil an Old testement prophecy, why do i suspect there is some more meaning, symbology to it?

Can anyone help?!
There will be something to it, nothing is written by chance...but just what symbological value its supposed to show I dont think I could say. Remember that the linen cloth is probably the only thing Christ would wear during the Crucifixition, and remember that it bears remarkable resemblance to the shrowds in which one was burried. Perhaps the readers would understand it as a bit of prophecy pertaining to what was about to happen to Christ after his arrest :huh:

Incidently, further to that symetry is the fact that the young man, just like Christ, actually makes an escape...Nakedness being here an akin to purity. If you like Christ is also seized, but leaves behind for his captors only a shroud whilst asscending to Heaven in the purest of bodies...?


I dont know...thats a guess :laugh:

Jonlion
09-05-2009, 04:39 PM
There will be something to it, nothing is written by chance...but just what symbological value its supposed to show I dont think I could say. Remember that the linen cloth is probably the only thing Christ would wear during the Crucifixition, and remember that it bears remarkable resemblance to the shrowds in which one was burried. Perhaps the readers would understand it as a bit of prophecy pertaining to what was about to happen to Christ after his arrest :huh:

Incidently, further to that symetry is the fact that the young man, just like Christ, actually makes an escape...Nakedness being here an akin to purity. If you like Christ is also seized, but leaves behind for his captors only a shroud whilst asscending to Heaven in the purest of bodies...?


I dont know...thats a guess :laugh:

:laugh: That isn't a bad take on it my friend!

Nor is Boomers one!!!!! :wink:

NateR
09-05-2009, 04:48 PM
I think that is only mentioned in the book of Mark, thus some people believe that it actually was Mark who might have followed Jesus as a young man.

Chris F
09-05-2009, 06:11 PM
What NateR said is the most accepted view on this verse. Time lines, chronology and its uniqueness make it the most logical. However like Dave said nothing is written flippantly. But boomer I am not sure we can justify praying in church naked with it. :laugh:

adamt
09-05-2009, 09:21 PM
i personally think it is just an attempt to show the rage of the mob mentality that was happening--- a lynch mob if you will---, that they were grabbing anyone and everyone they could that they thought sympathized with Christ. And he escaped like Joseph did. that similarity also made me wonder if their was a lost prophecy being fulfilled......??????

I also personally thought that maybe this was the linen they wrapped Christ in. I haven't heard that theory before it was just something I thought of while reading it once.


Here is a link to a long article on it, it may even have my theory in it, I didn't bother reading all of it. Just skimmed it.


http://www.extremelysmart.com/insight/accurate/Mark_14_51-52.php

NateR
09-06-2009, 06:38 AM
i personally think it is just an attempt to show the rage of the mob mentality that was happening--- a lynch mob if you will---, that they were grabbing anyone and everyone they could that they thought sympathized with Christ. And he escaped like Joseph did. that similarity also made me wonder if their was a lost prophecy being fulfilled......??????

I also personally thought that maybe this was the linen they wrapped Christ in. I haven't heard that theory before it was just something I thought of while reading it once.


Here is a link to a long article on it, it may even have my theory in it, I didn't bother reading all of it. Just skimmed it.


http://www.extremelysmart.com/insight/accurate/Mark_14_51-52.php

That link does state that there is a possibility that this is Mark's way of referring to himself.

Chris F
09-06-2009, 07:06 PM
i personally think it is just an attempt to show the rage of the mob mentality that was happening--- a lynch mob if you will---, that they were grabbing anyone and everyone they could that they thought sympathized with Christ. And he escaped like Joseph did. that similarity also made me wonder if their was a lost prophecy being fulfilled......??????

I also personally thought that maybe this was the linen they wrapped Christ in. I haven't heard that theory before it was just something I thought of while reading it once.


Here is a link to a long article on it, it may even have my theory in it, I didn't bother reading all of it. Just skimmed it.


http://www.extremelysmart.com/insight/accurate/Mark_14_51-52.php

It cannot be the same linen for Christ burial. NateR might be able to explain it in more detail but since Jesus was buried by strict Jewish custom and using an unclean linen would violate those laws.

NateR
09-07-2009, 04:05 AM
It cannot be the same linen for Christ burial. NateR might be able to explain it in more detail but since Jesus was buried by strict Jewish custom and using an unclean linen would violate those laws.

I'd have to look up the exact laws, but I'm pretty sure the linen would be considered unclean after having been on a naked body. So, it's highly unlikely that they would have used it to wrap Jesus' body; regardless that's a pretty extreme leap of logic there. I believe making the connection that this was simply Mark's way of including himself in the story just seems to make the most sense.

Chris F
09-07-2009, 05:49 PM
I'd have to look up the exact laws, but I'm pretty sure the linen would be considered unclean after having been on a naked body. So, it's highly unlikely that they would have used it to wrap Jesus' body; regardless that's a pretty extreme leap of logic there. I believe making the connection that this was simply Mark's way of including himself in the story just seems to make the most sense.

Yeah I agree. That is what I always believed and taught. I think it provides a great timeline and chronology as well.

Maglorius
09-08-2009, 04:56 PM
When I look at this passage I first look at what is happening and how everyone connected to Jesus delt with his arrest. I think that the preceding verses in Mark 14 really tells us what is going on in verse 51. In verse 49&50 it says that
Day after day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize me. But let the Scriptures be fulfilled." 50 And they all left him and fled. Verse fifty says that they all left him and fled. All his disciples and those that were following Jesus left him. It seems to me that Verse 51 is just telling us the level to which this young man wanted to get away from the mob, just as everyone else fled. His fleeing was different because he was willing to flee away naked, nothing was going to stop him from getting away. He did not want to be caught with Jesus.