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Mac
09-04-2009, 04:04 AM
" what can you do to help your president ?" that is what obama is going to be asking school children across the country this coming tuesday . He is going to be giving a speech to school children and they will be asked to write a letter to themselves about what they can do to help the president .

BULL**** , not my child , I will be calling the school tomorow , if our local school plans to take part in this , my Son will not be in attendance that day.



Heres a vid

http://mediamatters.org/research/200909030013

Chris F
09-04-2009, 04:14 AM
Here is another article about it.

Obama's school speech - social indoctrination?
Pete Chagnon - OneNewsNow - 9/3/2009 6:00:00 AMIs the president using his bully pulpit to push social change in America's schools?



Neal McClusky with the Cato Institute's Center for Educational Freedom believes the Obama administration is engaging in outright indoctrination of school children. He says that on September 8, Obama will address schools nationwide -- and in conjunction with that speech, school teachers have been sent study packets and a letter from the Department of Education, complete with assignments and questions to ask their students.

"The letter says that 'no other task is more critical to our economic future and our social progress than what these schools do.' Now that alone is a little disturbing because it suggests that the schools are supposed to be pushing social change," McClusky notes.

Some of the suggested discussion questions teachers are to ask students include: "Does the speech make you want to do anything?" and "Are we able to do what the president is asking of us?" Calls to the Department of Education in order ascertain the topic of the speech have not been returned. (See editor's note below)

Apart from the discussion questions, the Department of Education has sent out a "menu of classroom activities." McClusky says those activities include reading books on President Obama and participating in the Department of Education's "I Am What I Learn" video contest, and discussing "why it is important that we listen to the president and other elected officials."

"And so this appears to be very much something intended to make kids talk about how important the presidency is and apparently how inspirational this president is," McClusky points out. "And it could also be about using the schools as tools of social change."

McClusky calls the event "unprecedented." He adds that the Constitution lays out explicit powers for the federal government and education is not among them. "So the federal government has been really unconstitutionally involved in education for the last 40-some years," McClusky says.

He adds that in that time there has been a shift to a more centralized control of education in the implementation of No Child Left Behind, The Race to the Top Fund -- which includes $350 million to develop a national test and force states to adopt national standards.

According to McClusky, the real danger in all of this is that conservatives, who at first did not believe the federal government should be involved, are the ones who are now pushing for the change. He hopes this educational speech and discussion will serve as a wakeup call.

McClusky adds that it is antithetical to a free society to have schools run by a centralized government

Editor's Note (9/3/2009, 11:00 AM): ABC News reports that the White House is revising some of the language in the teacher materials. Students had been asked to "Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president." The Department of Education has changed that section to now read: "Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals."

MattHughesRocks
09-04-2009, 04:33 AM
I don't think I see the problem. It looks like it's kind of a 'ask what you can do for your country" speech that comes with participation to get the little kids involved which is a great idea since, as they say, children are the future of this country.I'll bet it was just all made to look worse by the people of the "me" generation.
It beats having kids sit on their asses and bitch about everything like to many adults do.

Tyburn
09-04-2009, 05:23 PM
Mac..dont get mad...get even :ninja:


Dear President Barack Obama

I thought long and hard about how I could help my President. My Daddy says after so much "Change" he needs a long holiday. So I have decided that the best way to help him would be to vote Republican next time

Yours Sincerely

:laugh:

rearnakedchoke
09-04-2009, 06:10 PM
i don't get it??? is he using ideas from school age children because he is looking for GWB type answers? i thought he was going to change things and not use child mentality to run the country?

TexasRN
09-04-2009, 06:15 PM
My kids' schools in Texas aren't showing it. They will tape it and then the teachers will view it and pull out any social studies/govt. lesson they feel age appropriate and then the parents will be told how much or even if the kids will be given a chance to see it. There will also be an opt out paper sent home so that kids can be taken to a separate area with a separate lesson if the parents do not want them to participate in the viewing. It's being treated like sex ed! :laugh: I love Texas.


~Amy

Neezar
09-04-2009, 10:45 PM
We have to sign a paper stating whether or not to let our children watch it. So now the conspiracy theorists are saying that it is all a ploy to single out who is and isn't backing Obama.

:ninja: :laugh:

War Conspiracy Theories!

Chris F
09-04-2009, 11:52 PM
I don't think I see the problem. It looks like it's kind of a 'ask what you can do for your country" speech that comes with participation to get the little kids involved which is a great idea since, as they say, children are the future of this country.I'll bet it was just all made to look worse by the people of the "me" generation.
It beats having kids sit on their asses and bitch about everything like to many adults do.

You should the garbage they sent the teachers that went will go with it. It is indoctrination and more then ever a reason to rescue the kids and get them out of welfare schools.

NateR
09-05-2009, 01:19 AM
This is more about glorifying Obama than inspiring children to action.

rockdawg21
09-05-2009, 01:45 AM
Mac, I dislike Obama as much as anybody here, but he has already retracted he will ask that question. Rather, he is going to ask the children to:

"write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals." I see nothing wrong with that. (http://news.aol.com/article/obama-school-speech-controversy/655701)

Here's the blog on the speech:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/My-Education-My-Future/
"but in this message he’ll urge students to take personal responsibility for their own education, to set goals, and to not only stay in school but make the most of it."

It doesn't sound so bad, but I never trusted him, and still don't.

Neezar
09-05-2009, 03:28 AM
Mac, I dislike Obama as much as anybody here, but he has already retracted he will ask that question. Rather, he is going to ask the children to:

"write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals." I see nothing wrong with that. (http://news.aol.com/article/obama-school-speech-controversy/655701)

Here's the blog on the speech:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/My-Education-My-Future/
"but in this message he’ll urge students to take personal responsibility for their own education, to set goals, and to not only stay in school but make the most of it."

It doesn't sound so bad, but I never trusted him, and still don't.

Yeah, that I can deal with. However, I don't want my kid thinking he needs to be trying to help our president at age 6. :laugh: He gets to play a few more years then he can start worrying about fixing the world. lol.

MattHughesRocks
09-05-2009, 03:54 AM
It's all in the perception I guess ( but not really:ninja: ) but if your going to protest as parent, get your kids involved at least a little. Don't tell them not to go to school then send them out to the yard to play all day while you sit around and bitch for....cryin' out loud :laugh:

MattHughesRocks
09-05-2009, 03:56 AM
People only read the letters that they want to see even if it spells something completely different that what's actually there :sad:


Mac, I dislike Obama as much as anybody here, but he has already retracted he will ask that question. Rather, he is going to ask the children to:

"write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals." I see nothing wrong with that. (http://news.aol.com/article/obama-school-speech-controversy/655701)

Here's the blog on the speech:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/My-Education-My-Future/
"but in this message he’ll urge students to take personal responsibility for their own education, to set goals, and to not only stay in school but make the most of it."

It doesn't sound so bad, but I never trusted him, and still don't.

Neezar
09-05-2009, 03:59 AM
It's all in the perception I guess ( but not really:ninja: ) but if your going to protest as parent, get your kids involved at least a little. Don't tell them not to go to school then send them out to the yard to play all day while you sit around and bitch for....cryin' out loud :laugh:

Outside!? :unsure-1: I was thinking more along the lines of drinking beer and playing playstation...and bitchin'.




:laugh:

MattHughesRocks
09-05-2009, 04:38 AM
No the kids go outside and play and the grown ups...well...have all the fun :laugh:


Outside!? :unsure-1: I was thinking more along the lines of drinking beer and playing playstation...and bitchin'.




:laugh:

Buzzard
09-05-2009, 05:14 AM
This is more about glorifying Obama than inspiring children to action.


Wow, psychic powers. Next time I need winning powerball numbers I'm coming to you. :wink:

It seems folks need something to gripe about, and they'll make up stuff in order to get their daily dose.

If you wanted America to succeed with Bush in office, you were a patriot. If you want America to succeed with Obama in office, you're a socialist. Strange how things change.

Neezar
09-05-2009, 05:20 AM
Wow, psychic powers. Next time I need winning powerball numbers I'm coming to you. :wink:

It seems folks need something to gripe about, and they'll make up stuff in order to get their daily dose.

If you wanted America to succeed with Bush in office, you were a patriot. If you want America to succeed with Obama in office, you're a socialist. Strange how things change.

You can't even seem to get anyone fired up anymore. :laugh: It happens to the best of us. lol

NateR
09-05-2009, 05:27 AM
If you wanted America to succeed with Bush in office, you were a patriot. If you want America to succeed with Obama in office, you're a socialist. Strange how things change.

Wow, you're finally starting to understand. :laugh:

Seriously, it's two completely different visions for the future of America and two completely different value systems. I never claimed to have agreed with everything George W. Bush did, but I supported him for the most part. He wasn't our greatest President, not by a long shot, but I wholeheartedly believe that he was only looking out for the best interests of America.

I haven't agreed with a single decision Obama has made yet and I think he's deliberately steering this country away from the original intent of the Founding Fathers, so why should I pretend to support him?

Mac
09-05-2009, 05:29 AM
Outside!? :unsure-1: I was thinking more along the lines of drinking beer and playing playstation...and bitchin'.




:laugh:

No , you scare me when your drunk.:laugh: :laugh:

Neezar
09-05-2009, 05:34 AM
No , you scare me when your drunk.:laugh: :laugh:

You lie. :mischievous:

Buzzard
09-05-2009, 07:21 AM
You can't even seem to get anyone fired up anymore. :laugh: It happens to the best of us. lol


I won't go down without a fight though, unless it continues to go as you said. :)

What do I need to do to get my touch back? ..evil grin..



Seriously, it's two completely different visions for the future of America and two completely different value systems. I never claimed to have agreed with everything George W. Bush did, but I supported him for the most part. He wasn't our greatest President, not by a long shot, but I wholeheartedly believe that he was only looking out for the best interests of America.

I think he was also looking out for his wallet.

I haven't agreed with a single decision Obama has made yet and I think he's deliberately steering this country away from the original intent of the Founding Fathers, so why should I pretend to support him?

Doesn't someone have a sig on here showing you in agreement with Obama on some issue? I do remember seeing it.:ninja: :laugh: :laugh:

It's late and I need to get some normal sleep in. I feel like a zombie because my sleep patterns are so out of wack. Have a good night and have a safe Labor Day weekend.

rockdawg21
09-09-2009, 12:23 AM
Keep in mind, I'm NOT AN OBAMA SUPPORTER!!

Anyways, I sell library books so I decided to go ahead and watch the speech while I was at a school. It was a very good motivational speech. Wasn't really anything different than all of us have heard, but like it or not, Obama is a very influential person, and hopefully it touched all the students watching and will motivate them to stay out of trouble and strive to set, achieve, and exceed their goals.

Good stuff Mr. Obama. :applause:

For those who missed it, it's not terribly long, about 15-20 minutes and is worth the watch no matter what side you're on:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/A-Message-of-Hope-and-Responsibility-for-Americas-Students/

NateR
09-09-2009, 12:32 AM
Doesn't someone have a sig on here showing you in agreement with Obama on some issue? I do remember seeing it.

That's logrus and it's a comment I made about the whole fly-killing incident. I agreed with Obama that killing a fly is not a big deal. Seriously, it was a fly and that's just what you do with flies. You kill them.

ME4440
09-09-2009, 01:05 AM
I love it, this thread is like reading my county newspaper...all 5 pages of it, Obama is tryin to speek to children cause he isnt smart enough to speak to adults, although he did fool enough to become president. What this world needs is a few more rednecks!!

logrus
09-09-2009, 01:13 AM
I haven't agreed with a single decision Obama has made yet and I think he's deliberately steering this country away from the original intent of the Founding Fathers, so why should I pretend to support him?

That's logrus and it's a comment I made about the whole fly-killing incident. I agreed with Obama that killing a fly is not a big deal. Seriously, it was a fly and that's just what you do with flies. You kill them.

Nate just contradicted himself and I have the smoking gun!!

:tongue0011:

NateR
09-09-2009, 01:19 AM
Nate just contradicted himself and I have the smoking gun!!

:tongue0011:

Not really, one is a matter of policy and the other is just a matter of common sense. I disagree with just about every single one of Obama's policies. However, he's still a human being and I think the fact that animal rights groups made such a big deal out of him killing the fly is just proof that all of those people are crazy.

NateR
09-09-2009, 01:20 AM
although he did fool enough to become president.

That pretty much sums up how this man got elected.

logrus
09-09-2009, 01:23 AM
Not really, one is a matter of policy and the other is just a matter of common sense. I disagree with just about every single one of Obama's policies. However, he's still a human being and I think the fact that animal rights groups made such a big deal out of him killing the fly is just proof that all of those people are crazy.

I didn't know there were any rules.

ME4440
09-09-2009, 01:23 AM
That pretty much sums up how this man got elected.

Yep sure does, didnt fool me ha!

NateR
09-09-2009, 01:42 AM
I didn't know there were any rules.

You can disagree with a man's policies without hating the man. That's something all of you George W. Bush haters should keep in mind.

adamt
09-09-2009, 02:15 AM
A doctor struck up a conversation with a hard-working 75 year old rancher while suturing a mean cut on the old man's leathery hand. Eventually the topic got around to Obama. The old rancher said, "Well, you know, Obama is a 'post turtle.'" Unfamiliar with the term, the doctor asked him what he meant. The old rancher replied, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle.'"The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued: "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of complete moron put him up there to begin with

NateR
09-09-2009, 02:16 AM
A doctor struck up a conversation with a hard-working 75 year old rancher while suturing a mean cut on the old man's leathery hand. Eventually the topic got around to Obama. The old rancher said, "Well, you know, Obama is a 'post turtle.'" Unfamiliar with the term, the doctor asked him what he meant. The old rancher replied, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle.'"The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued: "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of complete moron put him up there to begin with

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Nice.

adamt
09-09-2009, 02:22 AM
34post turtle

rockdawg21
09-09-2009, 02:56 AM
A doctor struck up a conversation with a hard-working 75 year old rancher while suturing a mean cut on the old man's leathery hand. Eventually the topic got around to Obama. The old rancher said, "Well, you know, Obama is a 'post turtle.'" Unfamiliar with the term, the doctor asked him what he meant. The old rancher replied, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle.'"The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued: "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of complete moron put him up there to begin with

Haha, now that's funny! :rotfl:

que
09-10-2009, 03:09 AM
getting mad over this is so stupid. if bush had asked school children to write a letter telling him how he can improve then no one here would have a problem with that. in fact you would be saying that's a cool thing to do.

what is so bad about school children giving advice to help the president?

you all say he needs help, how he is doing so bad, well... here he is asking for people to give their help and opinions in a productive manner... and all you do is whine and moan. so insane and nonsensical that all i can do is laugh it off.


anyways i don't like how when bush was president one of the rules of this forum was that disrespect towards the president would not be tolerated. yet now that obama is president i see so much blatant and overwhelming disrespect that the level of hypocrisy is upsetting to me

NateR
09-10-2009, 03:14 AM
getting mad over this is so stupid. if bush had asked school children to write a letter telling him how he can improve then no one here would have a problem with that. in fact you would be saying that's a cool thing to do.

what is so bad about school children giving advice to help the president?

you all say he needs help, how he is doing so bad, well... here he is asking for people to give their help and opinions in a productive manner... and all you do is whine and moan. so insane and nonsensical that all i can do is laugh it off.

Do you really believe that the President is seeking serious advice on how to run the country from kindergartners and grade school children? :blink:

Neezar
09-10-2009, 03:23 AM
Do you really believe that the President is seeking serious advice on how to run the country from kindergartners and grade school children? :blink:


:laugh: And defending him for it, too!

Chuck
09-10-2009, 03:24 AM
Do you really believe that the President is seeking serious advice on how to run the country from kindergartners and grade school children? :blink:

I don't know Nate... it sure as hell looks like he's taking advice from grade school children!!!!!