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KENTUCKYREDBONE
08-04-2009, 05:09 AM
Evolution or Creation?

Hitler, Darwinism and the Holocaust

• Darwin's idea that evolution means "the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life" eventually led to Nazism and the Jewish holocaust- even though Darwin himself would have been appalled at the thought."[17]

• In Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) many times, citing "lower human types." He criticized the Jews for bringing "Negroes into the Rhineland" with the aim of "ruining the white race by the necessarily resulting bastardization." He spoke of "Monstrosities halfway between man and ape" and lamented the fact of Christians going to "Central Africa" to set up "Negro missions," resulting in the turning of "healthy . . . human beings into a rotten brood of bastards." In his chapter entitled "Nation and Race," he said, "The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he, after all, is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development (Hoherentwicklung) of organic living beings would be unthinkable." A few pages later, he said, "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."[3]

• When Hitler came to power in 1933, he installed a dictatorship with one agenda: enactment of his radical Nazi racial philosophy built on Darwinian evolution. He sought, in Darwin's terms, to preserve the "favored" race in the struggle for survival. Brute strength and intelligence would be the driving force of the Nazi plan.[35]

• The first task was to eliminate the weak and those with impure blood that would corrupt the race. These included the disabled, ill, Jews, and Gypsies. Second, the Nazis sought to expand Germany's borders in order to achieve more living space, or "Lebensraum," to make room for the expansion of the "favoured" race. Third, the Nazis set about to eliminate communism because of its threat to the Aryan race and because, according to Hitler, communism was the work of Bolshevik Jews.[35]

• The plan quickly unfolded. An order to sterilize some 400,000 Germans was issued within five months of Hitler's rise to power. The order, set to take effect on January 1, 1934, listed nine "categories of the unfit" to be sterilized: feebleminded, schizophrenia, manic depression, Huntington's chorea, epilepsy, hereditary body deformities, deafness, hereditary blindness, and alcoholism. The Nuremberg Laws were passed in 1935 to prohibit marriage between Jews and Germans and to strip Jews of their German citizenship.[35]

• Instead of letting chance factors dominate reproduction decisions, Hitler proposed that the scientists use the power of the state to influence these decisions so that the gene pool would shift to what “informed conclusions” concluded was the desired direction. Consequently, Hitler encouraged those individuals that he perceived as having Aryan traits to mate, and discouraged “interbreeding,” supposing that this policy would gradually cause the Aryan race to evolve “upward”. He believed that the Nazi race programs would further evolution by intelligently deciding which traits were not beneficial, and preventing those with them from reproducing.[17]

• The Nazis established eugenic courts to ensure that the eugenic laws were enforced. To identify the unfit, German eugenicists compared the individual health files of millions of Germans with medical records from hospitals and the National Health Service. The American firm, IBM, aided the effort by automating a national card file system that cross-indexed the defective.[35]

• After Hitler invaded Poland in 1939, the Nazis became even more aggressive toward the weak. Approximately 100,000 Germans, labeled "useless eaters" by the Nazis, were killed. The victims were patients in nursing homes and medical facilities, as well as Jewish mentally disturbed and disabled. The Nazis ordered all of these exterminated. Ultimately, some 11 million people (and possibly more), six million from Jewish descent, were killed by the Nazi death machine.[35]

• An important argument that Hitler used to support his programs of racial genocide of the Jews, Blacks and other groups was that they were genetically “inferior” and that their interbreeding with the superior Aryan race would adversely affect the latter's gene pool, polluting it, and lowering the overall quality of the "pure race."[17]

• "Richard Weikart, author of From Darwin to Hitler, outlines in simplified fashion the route from Darwin to Hitler: First, Darwinism undermined traditional morality and the value of human life. Then, evolutionary progress became the new moral imperative. This aided the advance of eugenics, which was overtly founded on Darwinian principles. Some eugenicists began advocating euthanasia and infanticide for the disabled. On a parallel track, some prominent Darwinists argued that human racial competition and war are part of the Darwinian struggle for existence. Hitler imbibed these social Darwinist ideas, blended in virulent anti-Semitism, and-there you have it: Holocaust."[35]

• "The Darwin-driven Nazi Holocaust illustrates what can happen when man forgets and rejects God. When that happens, a vacuum is created into which many false, foolish, and fatal ideas can come rushing in. When He who gave mankind the true Tree of Life is rejected, error and infamy can quickly follow."[35]

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rearnakedchoke
08-04-2009, 01:18 PM
I think that people with lighter coloured skin will eventually be extinct (talking hundreds, maybe thousands of years) ... with their inability to cope with UVA & UVB rays without the aid of suncreens, they will eventually die out ... with the recent news of tanning beds causing cancer (don't know how this is new news) the desire for people with lighter skin to look darker will override the logical safety and they will still seek out that golden brown colour to their demise ... also, the natural attraction that people of lighter skin have to people with darker skin will lead to mixed unions and mixed races, further depleting the number of lighter skin people ...

Vizion
08-04-2009, 01:46 PM
I think that people with lighter coloured skin will eventually be extinct (talking hundreds, maybe thousands of years) ... with their inability to cope with UVA & UVB rays without the aid of suncreens, they will eventually die out ... with the recent news of tanning beds causing cancer (don't know how this is new news) the desire for people with lighter skin to look darker will override the logical safety and they will still seek out that golden brown colour to their demise ... also, the natural attraction that people of lighter skin have to people with darker skin will lead to mixed unions and mixed races, further depleting the number of lighter skin people ...
"Natural attraction" ? :laugh: I read once that WHITE women (those lighter skinned gals) were the most "desirable" women in the world by men of ALL race. I think the media and entertainment industries can attest to this.

I also think that races TEND to be attracted mostly to the SAME race. Yea, that's why we have countries with mostly all the same race, and stuff :wink:

rearnakedchoke
08-04-2009, 02:06 PM
"Natural attraction" ? :laugh: I read once that WHITE women (those lighter skinned gals) were the most "desirable" women in the world by men of ALL race. I think the media and entertainment industries can attest to this.

I also think that races TEND to be attracted mostly to the SAME race. Yea, that's why we have countries with mostly all the same race, and stuff :wink:
Well, the attraction does go both ways, but you take a white person and a black person have them mate and what do you get? that person is more likely to be accepted by the black community than the white community for their unique looks (barack obama, halle berry etc) ... so it is the lighter skin population that is seeing their numbers depleted. and to your other above point in bold that was in a time when magazines only had lighter coloured women on the cover and in ads, now the ads are putting more people of colour in ads, you are starting to see things swing .. just ask robert deniro .. LOL

Vizion
08-04-2009, 02:11 PM
The reason why WHITE ppl are the "dying race" is because white women REFUSE to have more than 1-2 kids. Black, Asian, Hispanic women will have 3, 4, 5, 6 kids easy. It's called replacement level fertitility. Look at Europe. Women in England won't have more than 1 kid, well, Arabic women there will have on AVG 8 kids.

And if you look at Hollywood - almost ALL of the major stars are white. There are FAR more white women in Playboy, and porn than black, Asian etc...

The modeling industry = predominantly white.

NateR
08-04-2009, 02:27 PM
Well, the greatest evidence of Hitler's inspiration by Darwin might actually come from the words of Darwin himself:

At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes…will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.
Charles Darwin, The Races of Man, p. 178, 1874

By "anthropomorphous apes" he's referring to those of African descent. It was because of Darwin's theories that 19th century African children would be kidnapped to be displayed in zoos as animals, all in the name of science.

NateR
08-04-2009, 02:31 PM
that was in a time when magazines only had lighter coloured women on the cover and in ads, now the ads are putting more people of colour in ads, you are starting to see things swing .. just ask robert deniro .. LOL

You're using advertising trends from the last half century to prove your own personal Evolutionary theory? :laugh:

Sorry, I believe that the evidence has proven Evolution to be the most ridiculous theory in the history of humankind, but a statement like yours is just not even remotely scientific.

rearnakedchoke
08-04-2009, 02:48 PM
You're using advertising trends from the last half century to prove your own personal Evolutionary theory? :laugh:

Sorry, I believe that the evidence has proven Evolution to be the most ridiculous theory in the history of humankind, but a statement like yours is just not even remotely scientific.
nope ... if you look at my original post, it had nothing to do with evolution ... i was responding to Vizion's statements that whites are more desirable than the rest of the world ... and i stated that for years, ads were targeting whites and had mostly whites in them, nowadays, that is totally different ..

KENTUCKYREDBONE
08-04-2009, 05:58 PM
If you want to be technical by my belief everybody come from Adam and Eve! Here's something else to think about. I myself have the Scotch/Irish look but if you go far enough back in my family tree you'll see some American Indian.

Rev
08-04-2009, 06:26 PM
I am so white that I am almost transparent, Pale skin, redish brown hair, freckles, your everyday American (Irish, Scottish) mutt. Light skinned people arent going anywhere. We are like roaches, you cant get rid of us completely.:wink:

atomdanger
08-04-2009, 07:16 PM
I think that people with lighter coloured skin will eventually be extinct (talking hundreds, maybe thousands of years) ... with their inability to cope with UVA & UVB rays without the aid of suncreens, they will eventually die out ... with the recent news of tanning beds causing cancer (don't know how this is new news) the desire for people with lighter skin to look darker will override the logical safety and they will still seek out that golden brown colour to their demise ... also, the natural attraction that people of lighter skin have to people with darker skin will lead to mixed unions and mixed races, further depleting the number of lighter skin people ...


What do you mean you think?
White people make up 15 percent(ish) of the worlds population and shrinking every year.
We are going extinct.

atomdanger
08-04-2009, 07:19 PM
Well, the greatest evidence of Hitler's inspiration by Darwin might actually come from the words of Darwin himself:


Charles Darwin, The Races of Man, p. 178, 1874

By "anthropomorphous apes" he's referring to those of African descent. It was because of Darwin's theories that 19th century African children would be kidnapped to be displayed in zoos as animals, all in the name of science.

Well, look up anthropology, or the difference in skull shape by race.
Not saying Darwin had everything right, but our skulls certainly do not look like theirs.

rearnakedchoke
08-04-2009, 07:21 PM
What do you mean you think?
White people make up 15 percent(ish) of the worlds population and shrinking every year.
We are going extinct.
well, i would like to see actual numbers ... because the non-white populations are growing at a faster rate, means that even if the white pop is growing, the % of whites in the world will still go down even though the number of whites are growing ..

Vizion
08-04-2009, 08:45 PM
We are going extinct.
And you can thank women's lib for that....

I have no problem with women working and such, OKAY, but, umm...well....y see....we're going to PAY for that...

and when you're daughter is forced to marry a muslim man you can kiss all that women's lib Buh-bye.:laugh:

atomdanger
08-04-2009, 09:35 PM
well, i would like to see actual numbers ... because the non-white populations are growing at a faster rate, means that even if the white pop is growing, the % of whites in the world will still go down even though the number of whites are growing ..

Well exactly.
But with more and more growth of other races comes more mix breeding, etc..
by 2060 whites will be less than 10 percent of the worlds population.

rearnakedchoke
08-04-2009, 09:41 PM
And you can thank women's lib for that....

I have no problem with women working and such, OKAY, but, umm...well....y see....we're going to PAY for that...

and when you're daughter is forced to marry a muslim man you can kiss all that women's lib Buh-bye.:laugh:
how is anyone being forced to marry a muslim ... unless you are saying there will only be muslims out there to marry ... ain't that bad, i mean your US pres is a muslim ...

rearnakedchoke
08-04-2009, 09:43 PM
Well exactly.
But with more and more growth of other races comes more mix breeding, etc..
by 2060 whites will be less than 10 percent of the worlds population.
yeah, but in 2060, i think there will be 10% whites in the world, but more than there are today ... but you're right, the future looks bleek, but it was good while it lasted ...

Vizion
08-04-2009, 09:47 PM
how is anyone being forced to marry a muslim ... unless you are saying there will only be muslims out there to marry ... ain't that bad, i mean your US pres is a muslim ...
bingo.

and the Obmanation is not muslim...at least he says he's not - which I guess taking his word for anything is trusting in a lying sack o shyte, so i digress :ninja:

Vizion
08-04-2009, 09:51 PM
yeah, but in 2060, i think there will be 10% whites in the world, but more than there are today ... but you're right, the future looks bleek, but it was good while it lasted ...
:laugh: one day they will roll cryo-tubes into large stadiums. in such tubes will be housed the frozen vestiges of a race so proud it resigned itself into de-existence...yet there will be left but a few...and they will be auctioned off to rich sultans who control the world...they will be antiques...they will be the last of the white race.

of course the world will probably be a smoldering hunk of metal by then, but i digress.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
08-05-2009, 02:27 AM
Well if us Whites do go extinct it will be in part cause my Race tends to kill off its young by a procedure called abortion! I guess someday I need to look up and see who is the worst about killing off their young!

atomdanger
08-05-2009, 04:13 AM
Well if us Whites do go extinct it will be in part cause my Race tends to kill off its young by a procedure called abortion! I guess someday I need to look up and see who is the worst about killing off their young!

You think more young whites have abortion in the states than blacks?

NateR
08-05-2009, 02:55 PM
Well if us Whites do go extinct it will be in part cause my Race tends to kill off its young by a procedure called abortion! I guess someday I need to look up and see who is the worst about killing off their young!

I believe it's black and hispanics who are getting the most abortions. In fact, Planned Parenthood is just a repackaged Eugenics movement. They're goal is to eventually wipe the non-white races off the planet, which is why you'll find more abortion clinics outside high schools in poor neighborhoods and they specifically target minorities.

Planned Parenthood is not about abortion or "freedom of choice" it's about population control of minorities.

Vizion
08-05-2009, 03:07 PM
I have always though liberals were the buggest RACISTS that ever existed. They have been decieving minorities for years, so they could control their votes. But, they aren't actually "for" them.

rearnakedchoke
08-05-2009, 03:37 PM
I believe it's black and hispanics who are getting the most abortions. In fact, Planned Parenthood is just a repackaged Eugenics movement. They're goal is to eventually wipe the non-white races off the planet, which is why you'll find more abortion clinics outside high schools in poor neighborhoods and they specifically target minorities.

Planned Parenthood is not about abortion or "freedom of choice" it's about population control of minorities.
i think what kentucky may have been getting to is that abortion actually reduces the number of whites being born, yes blacks and hispanics are having more abortions, but the avg kids born into these families are still 3+ or whatever, while the avg white family has about 1 or so kids ... so the rate of abortions within the white community is having an effect on the population ...

Chuck
08-05-2009, 05:55 PM
I believe it's black and hispanics who are getting the most abortions. In fact, Planned Parenthood is just a repackaged Eugenics movement. They're goal is to eventually wipe the non-white races off the planet, which is why you'll find more abortion clinics outside high schools in poor neighborhoods and they specifically target minorities.

Planned Parenthood is not about abortion or "freedom of choice" it's about population control of minorities.

I think you're taking some real liberties with your statement Nate... Planned Parenthood is all about killing the unborn... I don't think it has anything to do with race. The clinics are located in areas where they are most likely to be visited.. toss in that they are a "non profit" and their presence in lower income neighborhoods seems to be a more logical result of their consumer base and lack of funding.

Do you have any examples of them being pro white??

atomdanger
08-05-2009, 08:17 PM
I think you're taking some real liberties with your statement Nate... Planned Parenthood is all about killing the unborn... I don't think it has anything to do with race. The clinics are located in areas where they are most likely to be visited.. toss in that they are a "non profit" and their presence in lower income neighborhoods seems to be a more logical result of their consumer base and lack of funding.

Do you have any examples of them being pro white??

Planned parenthood is actually a little expensive.
So I don't know why their presence in low income areas makes sense.

Crisco
08-05-2009, 08:24 PM
I was in maine last weekend and I saw 4 none white people the whole time.

It was strange for me.

Chuck
08-05-2009, 08:52 PM
Planned parenthood is actually a little expensive.
So I don't know why their presence in low income areas makes sense.

I would think it's because that demographic is most likely to use their services..

What do you think?

Crisco
08-05-2009, 09:03 PM
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Chris Wescott
08-05-2009, 09:25 PM
I do think that on some level eugenics has been hapening on its own.

Remember high school? It was VERY clear who was in your league, below and therefore not as attractive, and above, and therefore very attractive.

Darwinism? Survival of the fittest... whatever you believe as it relates to evolution, it is a fact that traits can be bread in or out of off spring. Hair color, eye color, left handedness, disposition, propensity towards cancer or health, or addiction.

There is no question of that.

Don't we already select the highest prize in our league? Would you rather go for the beautiful, healthy, non drug-addict, smart woman vs. the homeless lady lying drunk on a street corner missing teath and smelling of pancake syrup? Seems to me simple common sense.

Hitler proposed that the government dictate this, steer it and guide it in the favor of what he saw to be the superior race. I say, there is no government nudge needed. Nature takes care of itself over extended periods of time. And when I say nature, aren't I really saying God?

Crisco
08-05-2009, 09:29 PM
I do think that on some level eugenics has been hapening on its own.

Remember high school? It was VERY clear who was in your league, below and therefore not as attractive, and above, and therefore very attractive.

Darwinism? Survival of the fittest... whatever you believe as it relates to evolution, it is a fact that traits can be bread in or out of off spring. Hair color, eye color, left handedness, disposition, propensity towards cancer or health, or addiction.

There is no question of that.

Don't we already select the highest prize in our league? Would you rather go for the beautiful, healthy, non drug-addict, smart woman vs. the homeless lady lying drunk on a street corner missing teath and smelling of pancake syrup? Seems to me simple common sense.

Hitler proposed that the government dictate this, steer it and guide it in the favor of what he saw to be the superior race. I say, there is no government nudge needed. Nature takes care of itself over extended periods of time. And when I say nature, aren't I really saying God?

I love pancakes

NateR
08-05-2009, 09:29 PM
I think you're taking some real liberties with your statement Nate... Planned Parenthood is all about killing the unborn... I don't think it has anything to do with race. The clinics are located in areas where they are most likely to be visited.. toss in that they are a "non profit" and their presence in lower income neighborhoods seems to be a more logical result of their consumer base and lack of funding.

Do you have any examples of them being pro white??

Two words: Margaret Sanger.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/feb/08022802.html

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a proponent of "race hygiene" through "negative eugenics," an attempt to reduce the fertility of "dysgenic" groups, in the early 20th century. In 1921, she said eugenics is "the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems, and the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all." She also cautioned, "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population."

NateR
08-05-2009, 09:57 PM
I do think that on some level eugenics has been hapening on its own.

Remember high school? It was VERY clear who was in your league, below and therefore not as attractive, and above, and therefore very attractive.

Darwinism? Survival of the fittest... whatever you believe as it relates to evolution, it is a fact that traits can be bread in or out of off spring. Hair color, eye color, left handedness, disposition, propensity towards cancer or health, or addiction.

There is no question of that.

Don't we already select the highest prize in our league? Would you rather go for the beautiful, healthy, non drug-addict, smart woman vs. the homeless lady lying drunk on a street corner missing teath and smelling of pancake syrup? Seems to me simple common sense.

Hitler proposed that the government dictate this, steer it and guide it in the favor of what he saw to be the superior race. I say, there is no government nudge needed. Nature takes care of itself over extended periods of time. And when I say nature, aren't I really saying God?

Those are two completely unrelated processes. There is a certain level of "natural selection" that GOD imbued into His creation. No one here is denying that. However, that form of GODly natural selection is designed to prevent a baby from even being conceived in the first place.

When government agencies try to force "nature's hand" in the area of natural selection, it almost always involves the extermination of an existing life. That's known as Eugenics and it leads to this:

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Hiding_Holocaust_evidence1.JPG
http://beitshemtov.org/images_for_essays/holocaust%201-JPEG.jpg
http://beitshemtov.org/images_for_essays/holocaust%206-JPG.jpg
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http://www.israelnewsagency.com/holocaust00_1.jpg
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/holocaustchildren.gif
http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/30/holocaust.jpg
http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Maidan01.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/holocaust_mass_grave_belsen.jpg
:previous: This is the legacy of 20th century Progressive Liberal values.

que
08-05-2009, 10:07 PM
Those are two completely unrelated processes. There is a certain level of "natural selection" that GOD imbued into His creation. No one here is denying that. However, that form of GODly natural selection is designed to prevent a baby from even being conceived in the first place.

When government agencies try to force "nature's hand" in the area of natural selection, is almost always involves the extermination of an existing life. That's known as Eugenics and it leads to this:

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Hiding_Holocaust_evidence1.JPG
http://beitshemtov.org/images_for_essays/holocaust%201-JPEG.jpg
http://beitshemtov.org/images_for_essays/holocaust%206-JPG.jpg
http://beitshemtov.org/images_for_essays/holocaust%203-JPEG.jpg
http://beitshemtov.org/images_for_essays/holocaust%204-JPEG.jpg
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/holocaust00_1.jpg
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/holocaustchildren.gif
http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/30/holocaust.jpg
http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Maidan01.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/holocaust_mass_grave_belsen.jpg
:previous: This is the legacy of 20th century Progressive Liberal values.
so 20th century progressive liberal values was murder? death? genocide? that is the most ridiculous and wrong thing i've read in a long time.

yeah, i'm sure all the family members of 20th century progressive liberals who lived in america (or anywhere other than germany) would agree with you on that one. in fact they would agree with you so much they would probably slap you in the face if you said that to their face and then showed them those pictures.

no, those pictures are not result of 20th century progressive liberal values. those pictures are the result of an evil leader who had an evil idea mixed with enough charm to brainwash an entire country.

it's wrong to stereotype and exaggerate that much especially at the expense of such a tragic event.

NateR
08-05-2009, 10:23 PM
so 20th century progressive liberal values was murder? death? genocide? that is the most ridiculous and wrong thing i've read in a long time.

yeah, i'm sure all the family members of 20th century progressive liberals who lived in america (or anywhere other than germany) would agree with you on that one. in fact they would agree with you so much they would probably slap you in the face if you said that to their face and then showed them those pictures.

no, those pictures are not result of 20th century progressive liberal values. those pictures are the result of an evil leader who had an evil idea mixed with enough charm to brainwash an entire country.

it's wrong to stereotype and exaggerate that much especially at the expense of such a tragic event.

Well, I'm sorry, but the truth hurts.

Tyburn
08-05-2009, 11:42 PM
Evolution or Creation?

Hitler, Darwinism and the Holocaust

1) Darwin's idea that evolution means "the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life" eventually led to Nazism and the Jewish holocaust- even though Darwin himself would have been appalled at the thought."[17]


2) When Hitler came to power in 1933, he installed a dictatorship with one agenda: enactment of his radical Nazi racial philosophy built on Darwinian evolution. He sought, in Darwin's terms, to preserve the "favored" race in the struggle for survival. Brute strength and intelligence would be the driving force of the Nazi plan.[35]

3) The first task was to eliminate the weak and those with impure blood that would corrupt the race. These included the disabled, ill, Jews, and Gypsies. Second, the Nazis sought to expand Germany's borders in order to achieve more living space, or "Lebensraum," to make room for the expansion of the "favoured" race. Third, the Nazis set about to eliminate communism because of its threat to the Aryan race and because, according to Hitler, communism was the work of Bolshevik Jews.[35]



1) Thats not True. Darwinian Evolution believes in NATURAL Selection. It is NOT Based on Eugenics, and it does NOT always say the most superior and greatest form of life will triumph.

Darwinain Evolution simply says that the life form best adapted to the environment will flourish. Change the environment and those that are able to adapt, usually through accidental mutations, will survive and flourish.

Rather then reading and quoting some stupid artical, perhaps you should properly READ Darwin

2) Again, NOT True. Hitler actually based his Perversion of Nazism, on something written by Fredrich Nietzsche. Fredrich said that every Humanbeing has a potential to "become" and that one they had done that they would be "supermen" The Aryan Race were supposed to be "Ubermensche" Those Humans who had reached and suppassed their potential.

That is Nietzsche, NOT Darwin....although Nietzsche says that this becoming is available for ALL people, and says Becoming should only be persude when it doesnt detrementally effect others seeking their becoming also. Adolf ignored those parts of the text evidently.

3) Not True. Hitler began his invasion of people WHO ACCEPTED HIM. He wanted to reunite several other countries that he claimed were German. Those people also considered themselves German which is why he was largely welcomed when he invaded areas of France/Germany that were taken away as punishment after the First World War, Austria and Switzerland I believe were also welcoming or at the very least neutral.

It wasnt until Hitler went into the Check Republic and Poland that the problems started. For those Nations didnt want to be, and werent German. Thats where he lost the support of his Armed Force Leaders.

atomdanger
08-06-2009, 01:18 AM
Two words: Margaret Sanger.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/feb/08022802.html

WHOA haha

NateR
08-06-2009, 03:37 AM
Well, I'm sorry, but the truth hurts.

I guess I should elaborate on my comments. It's clear, if you really pay attention, that Left-Wing Liberals are in love with death. From Abortion and Euthanasia, in which the unborn, the elderly and the sick are killed off, to the subtle and cleverly-disguised mass extermination projects known as Population Control and Environmentalism.

Those are all just modern labels for what ultimately involves the termination of human beings who are deemed unfit, unproductive, unwanted, unnecessary, or simply subhuman. Nothing has changed in the objectives, only the presentation is periodically dressed up to sucker in a new batch of brainwashed masses every generation.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
08-06-2009, 06:40 AM
You think more young whites have abortion in the states than blacks?

I don't want to believe it but I do suspect it!


Oh Nate I have read about Margaret Sanger before and agree that She was Evil and Racist! In fact if memory serves I posted something about it awhile back but it was deemed to controversial and deleted. Not trying to jump anybody cause they article I CPed laid out some brutal facts and some folk's might not have liked it!

KENTUCKYREDBONE
08-06-2009, 06:46 AM
1) Thats not True. Darwinian Evolution believes in NATURAL Selection. It is NOT Based on Eugenics, and it does NOT always say the most superior and greatest form of life will triumph.

Darwinain Evolution simply says that the life form best adapted to the environment will flourish. Change the environment and those that are able to adapt, usually through accidental mutations, will survive and flourish.

Rather then reading and quoting some stupid artical, perhaps you should properly READ Darwin

2) Again, NOT True. Hitler actually based his Perversion of Nazism, on something written by Fredrich Nietzsche. Fredrich said that every Humanbeing has a potential to "become" and that one they had done that they would be "supermen" The Aryan Race were supposed to be "Ubermensche" Those Humans who had reached and suppassed their potential.

That is Nietzsche, NOT Darwin....although Nietzsche says that this becoming is available for ALL people, and says Becoming should only be persude when it doesnt detrementally effect others seeking their becoming also. Adolf ignored those parts of the text evidently.

3) Not True. Hitler began his invasion of people WHO ACCEPTED HIM. He wanted to reunite several other countries that he claimed were German. Those people also considered themselves German which is why he was largely welcomed when he invaded areas of France/Germany that were taken away as punishment after the First World War, Austria and Switzerland I believe were also welcoming or at the very least neutral.

It wasnt until Hitler went into the Check Republic and Poland that the problems started. For those Nations didnt want to be, and werent German. Thats where he lost the support of his Armed Force Leaders.


If you really think about it Hitler must have been a fan of Darwinism and he believed it was his place to influence the so called natural selection of Human Evolution! After all the Nut job claimed Black's were sub human almost ape or Gorilla! If like me you don't believe in Darwinism you don't believe that there's any such thing as a Master race!

Tyburn
08-06-2009, 11:52 AM
If you really think about it Hitler must have been a fan of Darwinism and he believed it was his place to influence the so called natural selection of Human Evolution! After all the Nut job claimed Black's were sub human almost ape or Gorilla! If like me you don't believe in Darwinism you don't believe that there's any such thing as a Master race!
I have Studied all three people at Academic Level.

The Ubermensche is NOT Darwin, it is Fredrich Nietzsche...and the moment any PERSON creates an "influence" over NATURAL selections, it is NOT Darwinian.

The fact is that Hitler made his own philosophy by twisting those of the other two so significantly that they fail to resemble the original anymore. What I find increadibly dumbass is that the majority of people have NO idea what Evolution actually is...not less the time span. For Evolution to have occured in the manner that Hitler Dictated under Darwin, the Jews would have naturally died out over a period of many millions of years as the environment favoured something that specifically put Jews at a natural disadvantage (thats only even possible because Jews are blood related)

THAT is Darwin. Darwin is not, Round up the Jews and gas them all...thats not even Nietzsche. Forgive me, but I prefer talking about the reality of the situation not pouring over some nonsensical statements and gasping in horror at them

Something worth Gasping in Horror at however was the bit of music that Adolf Hitler ordered at the Funeral of one of his top chiefs...might even have been the Check Republic, I cant recall, when that chief was assassinated. The Music is writen by one of the master composers of Germany "Wagner" Now Wagner tried to translate into music, the philosophy of Fredrich Nietzsche. The two, I believe lived at similar times, and had a turbulant friendship. Its a Funeral march taken from one of his Operatic works I believe

Take a listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20RldhK9354

(btw Wagner seems to have influenced Hans Zimmer quite a bit, if you think you hear bits of Gladiator Soundtrack in this performance LOL Nietzsche isnt all bad, although its not hard to see how his own philosophy eventually sent him to become clinically insane and die from maddness. When it comes to Power Discourse Philosophy, Fredrich was spot on, absolutely spot on!)

NateR
08-06-2009, 02:45 PM
I have Studied all three people at Academic Level.

The Ubermensche is NOT Darwin, it is Fredrich Nietzsche...and the moment any PERSON creates an "influence" over NATURAL selections, it is NOT Darwinian.

The fact is that Hitler made his own philosophy by twisting those of the other two so significantly that they fail to resemble the original anymore. What I find increadibly dumbass is that the majority of people have NO idea what Evolution actually is...not less the time span. For Evolution to have occured in the manner that Hitler Dictated under Darwin, the Jews would have naturally died out over a period of many millions of years as the environment favoured something that specifically put Jews at a natural disadvantage (thats only even possible because Jews are blood related)

THAT is Darwin. Darwin is not, Round up the Jews and gas them all...thats not even Nietzsche. Forgive me, but I prefer talking about the reality of the situation not pouring over some nonsensical statements and gasping in horror at them

Something worth Gasping in Horror at however was the bit of music that Adolf Hitler ordered at the Funeral of one of his top chiefs...might even have been the Check Republic, I cant recall, when that chief was assassinated. The Music is writen by one of the master composers of Germany "Wagner" Now Wagner tried to translate into music, the philosophy of Fredrich Nietzsche. The two, I believe lived at similar times, and had a turbulant friendship. Its a Funeral march taken from one of his Operatic works I believe

Take a listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20RldhK9354

(btw Wagner seems to have influenced Hans Zimmer quite a bit, if you think you hear bits of Gladiator Soundtrack in this performance LOL Nietzsche isnt all bad, although its not hard to see how his own philosophy eventually sent him to become clinically insane and die from maddness. When it comes to Power Discourse Philosophy, Fredrich was spot on, absolutely spot on!)

The point is not that Hitler was a Darwinist, the point is that he was clearly influenced by Darwinist ideals when forming his own philosophy. Especially when Darwin said that it was the duty of the superior races to eventually exterminate the lower races.

ufcfan2
08-06-2009, 02:57 PM
Does all this even matter we will be extinct in 2012 anyways:frantics:

atomdanger
08-06-2009, 08:16 PM
Does all this even matter we will be extinct in 2012 anyways:frantics:

End of the world as we know it.

That doesn't mean we're all going to die.

Tyburn
08-06-2009, 09:08 PM
The point is not that Hitler was a Darwinist, the point is that he was clearly influenced by Darwinist ideals when forming his own philosophy. Especially when Darwin said that it was the duty of the superior races to eventually exterminate the lower races.
Darwinian Evolution should really be based only on his work Origin of Species. Dont confuse yourself with his own political ideology that is nothing to do with the scientific ideal.

No, the Aryan Race and Eugenics are really about what one can do without a GOD incharge to become the best they can in the physical universe. The Iconoclast called Fredric Nietzsche first used the tern "Ubermensche" although I think he's talking more about individuals, he did apply the term to society as a whole as the idea of Post Modernity was just around the corner. Its not obvious whether Nietzsche is a late Enlightenment Philosopher, or the first Post-Modernist.

I found this artical online, its very good for explaining, I think once you've read it you will see where Hitler really drew his inspiration from.

The idea of the superman in Nietzsche’s works is a crucial element as he uses it as a foundation from which to attempt to challenge the ingrained values of society. These values behind what is considered to be good and evil, he asserts, having been founded on the Christian faith serve only to hamper human potential and have no basis on our everyday experiences (486-487, The Portable Nietzsche by Viking Press). His aim is to show us that for society to be able to live up to its true potential we need a new system of values which is more suited to our needs. In rejecting the idea of a God who gives us values changeless and transcendent of the everyday world he gives us superman, a real individual who creates values which are firmly rooted in the everyday changing world. This is someone who, by trusting his own intuitive sense of what is good and evil, succeeds better than any other. It is argued that only by following his example can we hope to improve ourselves and our society. Is the necessity of overthrowing the existing established values justified in Nietzsche’s doctrine, and does he in fact prove that his alternatives are any better?
Mankind, in order to justify its existence, has always required some belief in a higher purpose in life. People are never satisfied with the notion that there is no meaning in anything they do or accomplish. Without such a belief, life becomes impossible to bear as the question asked by nihilism is continually before one, "why live at all?"

The idea of God and Christianity was one successful solution to this problem. It redefined the way in which to view the world, telling us that there is actually much more going on than what we are normally aware of. In so doing it makes the idea of God necessary and inextricable from it. God the changeless omnipotent being outside of this world gives us transcendent values about what is good and what is evil which are the same for all men who are supposed to be equal. Christianity holds that this world is inherently evil and to abide by its practices is to be in direct conflict with God’s will. So success in this world is measured not in how well one survives or how much material wealth he accumulates but by how well one adheres to these values. This works for one no matter how miserably he gets along as his eyes presumably are always focused on the rewards or punishments which await in the next life.

One of the key points about Christianity that made it so successful was in the way that it addressed the question of suffering. Ever since there has been man there has been suffering in man, it abounds everywhere and is something which is impossible to ignore. Through the idea of asceticism in this religion, suffering was "interpreted" Nietzsche claims, and put, "in the perspective of guilt" (454). Though not attempting to alleviate suffering, asceticism gave it a purpose, comforting those it afflicts through the principle that the more the world makes one suffer the more reward he will have in the afterlife. This is so because one suffers by choosing to deny the world’s evil influences which manifest themselves in his natural desires (examples being: sex, the lust to rule and selfishness). Since these desires are wholly of this world, therefore running contrary to the good given us by God, they are to be suppressed at all costs. So, according to the ascetic belief, the more we suffer in this world the better our rewards will be in the next.

Nietzsche dismisses this answer to nihilism. As effective as it is he finds fault with it in that it serves to make one feel ashamed of himself and the world. In so doing this belief extinguishes an individual’s hope of fully realizing his own powers and strengths as such things are viewed in a negative light as being worldly thus evil. Nietzsche holds that such suppression tends to undermine an individual making him sickly and weak physically and psychologically (144-145); such a thing imposed upon society would naturally lead to a sick and weak population. Not seeing any overall gain in a system of beliefs which teaches suppression, he purposes to give us a new one which is not only said to be as effective but also frees us of Christianity’s binds. With his doctrine of the superman Nietzsche seeks to give us values that at the same time, create a medium where power is realized and strength flourishes, and define a purpose for life.

The superman is someone who in discovering himself (306) also discovers that it is in his best interests to reject any outside notions about values, trusting rather what he finds within himself. He creates his own good and evil, based on that which helps him to succeed or fail. In this way good is something which helps one to realize his potential and evil is whatever hampers or stands in the way of this effort. Since to Nietzsche everything in the world, including good and evil, is transitory (228) everything is being continually reinvented. The superman embraces this idea of change which to him appears evident, he understands the fact that since there is nothing in the world which is permanent whatever exists must eventually be overcome by something else which comes along. Seeing himself and his values in the same light he knows that these aspects must also be overcome by something stronger if not by him than by someone or something else. So in order to keep up with the times he continuously reinvents himself over and over always building something stronger, more powerful, on top of what went before. The superman therefore is the ideal of someone who has mastered the practice of overcoming himself.

The source of his strength lies in the cherishing of the same natural desires restricted in Christianity. Sex for him is, "a great invigoration of the heart", the lust to rule a "gift giving virtue" (in that it allows new ideas and life to ascend to those "pure and lonely self-sufficient heights" which "should not remain lonely and self sufficient eternally"), and selfishness is "blessed, wholesome [and] healthy" (301-302). He sees these insatiable desires as the best of all possible good since they act as the driving force behind his insatiable need to overcome, they spur him on always seeking their ever demanding satisfaction.

It is from the example of the superman that we are intended to see how much is actually attainable in the world. The values he creates he continually tests himself always refining them to be better and better still. In this way they rise above the values of the masses (the weaker, the unwise) until they arrive at the top and being superior to any other they serve as the guidelines for the rest of society. They remain on top until another superior system of values comes along and usurps it. In this way a society is created which, by allowing the stronger to prevail, promotes strength. Nietzsche deems this a healthy society as it always strives to heighten its potential and is founded upon the attributes of the healthiest individual who exists. It is a macroscopic version of the same sort of overcoming which occurs in the superman and is labeled healthy because weakness is discouraged in favor of a medium in which strength and superiority are pushed to the level of utmost importance.

In this system the question "why live?" asked by nihilists is answered in man’s striving to overcome himself. The superman sees mankind as a bridge which has no end (310) which always stretches still further and further. Thus mankind is aware of no ultimate limits. Each life is valuable as it can serve mankind by helping to push its potential ever higher, making it that much stronger, elevating it another step out of the comparative wretchedness which existed before this process was begun.

Now see some of the Def from Wiki

Zarathustra first announces the Übermensch as a goal humanity can set for itself. All human life would be given meaning by how it advanced a new generation of human beings. The aspiration of a woman would be to give birth to an Übermensch, for example; her relationships with men would be judged by this standard.[4]

Zarathustra contrasts the Übermensch with the last man of egalitarian modernity, an alternative goal which humanity might set for itself. The last man appears only in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and is presented as a condition that would render the creation of the Übermensch impossible.

Some commentators associate the Übermensch with a program of eugenics.[5] This is most pronounced when considered in the aspect of a goal that humanity sets for itself. The reduction of all psychology to physiology implies, to some, that human beings can be bred for cultural traits. This interpretation of Nietzsche's doctrine focuses more on the future of humanity than on a single cataclysmic individual. There is no consensus regarding how this aspect of the Übermensch relates to the creation of new values, and many would deny vehemently that Nietzsche would countenance a eugenics program at all.

For Rüdiger Safranski, the Übermensch represents a higher biological type reached through artificial selection and at the same time is also an ideal for anyone who is creative and strong enough to master the whole spectrum of human potential, good and "evil", to become an "artist-tyrant". In Ecce Homo, Nietzsche vehemently denied any idealistic, democratic or humanitarian interpretation of the Übermensch: "The word Übermensch [designates] a type of supreme achievement, as opposed to 'modern' men, 'good' men, Christians, and other nihilists ... When I whispered into the ears of some people that they were better off looking for a Cesare Borgia than a Parsifal, they did not believe their ears."[6]. Safranski argues that the combination of ruthless warrior pride and artistic brilliance that defined the Italian Renaissance embodied the sense of the Übermensch for Nietzsche. According to Safranski, Nietzsche intended the ultra-aristocratic figure of the Übermensch to serve as a Machiavellian bogeyman of the modern Western middle class and its pseudo-Christian egalitarian value system.

from yet a third source :laugh:

And now for our second question. What was the goal Nietzsche had in mind for his immoralist? What was to be the final outcome of his overturning of all morality? Did he believe the human race would progress until men became gods and controlled the sun and stars as they now control the flow of great rivers? Or did he believe that the end of it all would be annihilation? After the publication of Nietzsche's earlier books, with their ruthless tearing down of the old morality, these questions were asked by critics innumerable in all the countries of Europe. The philosopher was laughed at as a crazy iconoclast who destroyed without rebuilding. He was called a visionary and a lunatic, and it was reported and believed that he had no answer: that his philosophy was doomed to bear itself to the earth, like an arch without a keystone. But in April, 1883, he began the publication of Also sprach Zarathustra and therein his reply was written large.

"I teach you," cries Zarathustra, "the superman! Man is something that shall be surpassed. What, to man, is the ape? A joke or a shame. Man shall be the same to the superman: a joke or shame.... Man is a bridge connecting ape and superman.... The superman will be the final flower and ultimate expression of the earth. I conjure you to be faithful to the earth... to cease looking beyond the stars for your hopes and rewards. You must sacrifice yourself to the earth that one day it may bring forth the superman."((8))

KENTUCKYREDBONE
08-08-2009, 10:50 PM
To me it sounds like he believed in Evolution he just wanted to be the one guiding it! Basically he seemed to think he was God when he wasn't! You can nitpick all the academics you want but it boils down to pretty much the same thing!