Phelps smoking weed!

[CAVEMAN]

Didn't see a thread on this yet! All of his sponsors are still standing behind him! See link:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/article5634661.ece

[CAVEMAN]

So FAR, his sponsors have not pulled the plug, but it is highly likely they will!

[NateR]

I read about this a couple of days ago. It's a boneheaded move on Phelps' part.

[CAVEMAN]

I read about this a couple of days ago. It's a boneheaded move on Phelps' part.

Most definitely! Speedo just paid him $1million as a bonus. He better invest it in something good. Cause most of his sponsors, if not all, are going to drop him! :laugh: I love that quote: “I engaged in behaviour which was regrettable! Instead of YES, I smoked pot!

You know it is kind of sad, though! It seems like more and more athletes are being busted for drug use. 20 - 30 years ago, most athletes either didn't use or they were more careful not to get caught! I think it just goes to show that the moral decline of this nation is on fast and steady run!

[jason2130]

shouldnt the real question be if he won 8 medals and smokes it, why arent the other atheletes starting to? :tongue0011:

besides he can get new spnsors, HighTimes, Zong Bongs, Joker rolling papers...

[CAVEMAN]

shouldnt the real question be if he won 8 medals and smokes it, why arent the other atheletes starting to? :tongue0011:

besides he can get new spnsors, HighTimes, Zong Bongs, Joker rolling papers...

Yes! He certainly did not show signs of "bunk lung" after any of his wins!:laugh:

[rockdawg21]

Well, you can be sure that Kellogg's contribution to obesity (sugar filled cereals) are far more harmful than a little marijuana. Perhaps this could be a benefit to both industries. Smoke some weed, eat more of our sugar-filled products!

[Llamafighter]

I just faintly heard Nick Diaz on the other coast scream "WTF!!!"

[jason2130]

Well, you can be sure that Kellogg's contribution to obesity (sugar filled cereals) are far more harmful than a little marijuana. Perhaps this could be a benefit to both industries. Smoke some weed, eat more of our sugar-filled products!

haha! thats it, this is actually the first step to legalizing it nation wide :laugh: aslong as phelps keeps smoking and winning compititions, first lose though and hes next to tommy chong in a jail cell

[Llamafighter]

That explains this
http://mattms.members.winisp.net/WanttobeLikeMichaelPhelps_94B3/image.png

[rockdawg21]

That explains this
http://mattms.members.winisp.net/WanttobeLikeMichaelPhelps_94B3/image.png
LOL

Well it's ridiculous. Companies like Kellogg's do way more to drive up health care premiums than any marijuana pusher. Obesity is by far the worst health problem here in the U.S., not drugs.

[Moose]

ZOMG A 23 YEAR OLD SMOKEING THE GANJA!!2

Seriously, let's crucify this guy.

[hizo64]

That there are some serious munchies!

[NateR]

ZOMG A 23 YEAR OLD SMOKEING THE GANJA!!2

Seriously, let's crucify this guy.

Well, it's still an illegal substance and I don't see what being 23-years-old has to do with it. Illegal is illegal.

[hizo64]

Well, it's still an illegal substance and I don't see what being 23-years-old has to do with it. Illegal is illegal.

Once again I nominate you for Prez in 2012 :headbanger: I dont care waht they say, weed is a hardcore gateway drug. I cant even count how many of my former friends smoked weed "cause it was harmless" and then decided to go and "try something a little harder than weed". They're all tweaked out and jobless it sickens me.. but I still pray for them.

[NateR]

Once again I nominate you for Prez in 2012 :headbanger: I dont care waht they say, weed is a hardcore gateway drug. I cant even count how many of my former friends smoked weed "cause it was harmless" and then decided to go and "try something a little harder than weed". They're all tweaked out and jobless it sickens me.. but I still pray for them.

I've never smoked marijuana in my life; but I have known several guys in the Army who smoked it heavily in high school and, even years later, it was all they talked about. In fact, they frequently fantasized about being out of the Army so they could smoke pot without worry of the random drug tests. They spent so much time thinking about smoking weed again, that I really have trouble believing that it's not addictive.

There are also several side effects that I noticed including forgetfulness, paranoia, and a proclivity to believe in massive and improbable conspiracy theories.

[Tyburn]

There are also several side effects that I noticed including forgetfulness, paranoia, and a proclivity to believe in massive and improbable conspiracy theories.
:unsure-1: but I have all of them and I've never smoked anything naughty :mellow:

:laugh:

[Krupp]

Yeah...I already have as bad a memory as a pothead and I've never smoked up...I avoid it for reasons like that. I will admit, I have had a curious interest once a year ago in trying lsd, though obviously I never did. I've only heard stories of what that crap can do to you.

[jason2130]

i tend to think pot just enhances someones personality (paranoid people get more paranoid, stupid people get dumber, not much different than alcohol) i know plenty of potheads that most people couldnt tell if they where potheads unless told (not saying i dont know any idiots potheads, but i know sober people who are idiots to)

as far as a gateway drug, my guess is people that smoke pot then move onto harder stuff would probally still be in the same place they are now if pot wasnt there, pot is more common, and easiest to get, it only makes sense its the first drug people try, technically i would guess most people drink a beer before they smoke pot so if anything beer should be the gateway

its just my opinion, i just dont get what the big deal is, yes its illegal and alcohol is not, but i dont really see a difference between the 2 neither benifit or hurt anyone any more or less than the other

[Moose]

Well, it's still an illegal substance and I don't see what being 23-years-old has to do with it. Illegal is illegal.

23 year olds often do minor things that are considered illegal. You know, speed, play poker for money, smoke weed, etc. THAT'S what it has to do with it. He's young and on top of the world, all that pressure on his shoulders, let him cool out for a bit. He was only this nation's hopes and dreams for an Olympics and all.

[J.B.]

When people who have never smoked marijuana make blanket comments about it's effects they are almost always WRONG.

People who have addictive personalities and no self control are just as likely to become addicted to hard drugs no matter if they ever smoke weed or not. Marijuana is not nearly as addictive as alcohol, and arguably not nearly as dangerous, and yet most people who condemn it's use would just as easily stop for a beer at a local bar, or have a night-cap before bed.

Also, I have played in, worked at, and frequented a LOT of bars in the midwest and the southwest, and you are much more likely to get offered coke when out at a bar than you are pot. So whats the real gateway? :huh:

[MattHughesRocks]

Considered illegal? You mean is illegal


23 year olds often do minor things that are considered illegal. You know, speed, play poker for money, smoke weed, etc. THAT'S what it has to do with it. He's young and on top of the world, all that pressure on his shoulders, let him cool out for a bit. He was only this nation's hopes and dreams for an Olympics and all.

[MattHughesRocks]

For me peronally, it's not what people do/smoke/drink, it's when they do things like get behind the wheel, get in a fight and or grab a gun.Things they wouldnt do sober. That's what concerns me.
So drink up, smoke 12 joints, party til ya puke.Just don't let it affect me.



When people who have never smoked marijuana make blanket comments about it's effects they are almost always WRONG.

People who have addictive personalities and no self control are just as likely to become addicted to hard drugs no matter if they ever smoke weed or not. Marijuana is not nearly as addictive as alcohol, and arguably not nearly as dangerous, and yet most people who condemn it's use would just as easily stop for a beer at a local bar, or have a night-cap before bed.

Also, I have played in, worked at, and frequented a LOT of bars in the midwest and the southwest, and you are much more likely to get offered coke when out at a bar than you are pot. So whats the real gateway? :huh:

[NateR]

When people who have never smoked marijuana make blanket comments about it's effects they are almost always WRONG.

People who have addictive personalities and no self control are just as likely to become addicted to hard drugs no matter if they ever smoke weed or not. Marijuana is not nearly as addictive as alcohol, and arguably not nearly as dangerous, and yet most people who condemn it's use would just as easily stop for a beer at a local bar, or have a night-cap before bed.

Also, I have played in, worked at, and frequented a LOT of bars in the midwest and the southwest, and you are much more likely to get offered coke when out at a bar than you are pot. So whats the real gateway? :huh:

Well, I'm not a drinker either. But I did notice lots of guys in the Army who would just sit around and dream about being able to smoke pot again. They never mentioned cocaine or any other drug. So, for a drug that is supposedly non-addictive, they sure talked about it a lot. And these were different guys that I knew in different units over the course of years. I'm not basing this on just one or two conversations I've had with one guy. These were guys that I talked to and hung out with for years and they never could get over their preoccupation with pot.

And I don't think I need to do drugs in order to make observations on their side effects. Just because I'm smart enough to not try them in the first place doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion.

[J.B.]

For me peronally, it's not what people do/smoke/drink, it's when they do things like get behind the wheel, get in a fight and or grab a gun.Things they wouldnt do sober. That's what concerns me.
So drink up, smoke 12 joints, party til ya puke.Just don't let it affect me.

Exactly! :)

I agree 100%, too many people cannot control themselves.

Which is why I don't advocate total legalization of pot. Without a doubt, some people are effected in weird and different ways by drugs, but most people who are "high" on marijuana don't get violent because of marijuana, they were violent to begin with. As for driving a car while high, that is just stupid, but yes people do it.

The point I was aiming at was really the idea that pot is this horrible drug that ruins peoples lives. It's just silly. People make choices, and some people are just stupid. When people use the argument that "it's still illegal", that is just a cop out for actual thinking. I would argue that alcohol is much more dangerous and ruins many more lives than pot, and yet alcohol is still legal. It's a stigma that is slowly diminishing, and I am willing to bet that within the next 20 years or so, we will see reform come to the federal marijuana laws.

[matthughesfan21]

For me peronally, it's not what people do/smoke/drink, it's when they do things like get behind the wheel, get in a fight and or grab a gun.Things they wouldnt do sober. That's what concerns me.
So drink up, smoke 12 joints, party til ya puke.Just don't let it affect me.
true true, but he did get a DUI also, just not on that night,actually shortly after the last olympics, i'm surprised we don't hear about that more

[J.B.]

Well, I'm not a drinker either. But I did notice lots of guys in the Army who would just sit around and dream about being able to smoke pot again. They never mentioned cocaine or any other drug. So, for a drug that is supposedly non-addictive, they sure talked about it a lot. And these were different guys that I knew in different units over the course of years. I'm not basing this on just one or two conversations I've had with one guy. These were guys that I talked to and hung out with for years and they never could get over their preoccupation with pot.

And I don't think I need to do drugs in order to make observations on their side effects. Just because I'm smart enough to not try them in the first place doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion.

Nate, I did not say you were not entitled to your opinion. I just said that most people who make blanket comments on it's effects are usually wrong. As for those guys "dreaming" of smoking pot, I cannot comment on that. I don't see it as such a suprise that some guys who used to smoke pot would want to smoke it again. If they wanted to smoke that bad, maybe they should not have become soldiers? I never claimed it was "not-addictive", just that it is much less addictive than alcohol, which is legal.

As for forgetfulness, paranoia, and believing conspiracy theories, I have smoked a fair share in my time, and I am none of the things you listed. Good for you, you have never drank or smoked, but that dont mean that everyone who has is some sort of drugged up liberal zombie.

[Hughes_GOAT]

smoke it, Phelps!

[rockdawg21]

true true, but he did get a DUI also, just not on that night,actually shortly after the last olympics, i'm surprised we don't hear about that more
Yeah, he got a DUI, but alcohol is legal and not a "drug" so therefore, it's socially acceptable. Although, smoking some weed in a house is more harmful than driving a vehicle drunk.

Wait....:sign0094:

[matthughesfan21]

Yeah, he got a DUI, but alcohol is legal and not a "drug" so therefore, it's socially acceptable. Although, smoking some weed in a house is more harmful than driving a vehicle drunk.

Wait....:sign0094:yeah for sure, I've never smoked pot in my life, but I do agree in partial legalization, because ultimately there has become a large false stigma about it in the United States, it is portrayed as dangerous even though it probably is safer than alcohol(it actually has medicinal effects), and for certain cigarettes, it is not something I will ever do in my life, but I don't think are prisons need to be full of people caught smoking pot

[NateR]

Exactly! :)

I agree 100%, too many people cannot control themselves.

Which is why I don't advocate total legalization of pot. Without a doubt, some people are effected in weird and different ways by drugs, but most people who are "high" on marijuana don't get violent because of marijuana, they were violent to begin with. As for driving a car while high, that is just stupid, but yes people do it.

The point I was aiming at was really the idea that pot is this horrible drug that ruins peoples lives. It's just silly. People make choices, and some people are just stupid. When people use the argument that "it's still illegal", that is just a cop out for actual thinking. I would argue that alcohol is much more dangerous and ruins many more lives than pot, and yet alcohol is still legal. It's a stigma that is slowly diminishing, and I am willing to bet that within the next 20 years or so, we will see reform come to the federal marijuana laws.

I agree that there are obsessive-compulsive types who can take anything too far. I've known of guys who have destroyed their finances and ruined their marriages collecting Star Wars toys.

In the case of drugs, however, I believe there is a mind-altering component to them that makes them more dangerous. I don't think that exists in alcohol. Again, I've never taken drugs and I don't pretend to be an expert on them, I can just report what I observe from non-repentant drug users.

[J.B.]

I agree that there are obsessive-compulsive types who can take anything too far. I've known of guys who have destroyed their finances and ruined their marriages collecting Star Wars toys.

In the case of drugs, however, I believe there is a mind-altering component to them that makes them more dangerous. I don't think that exists in alcohol. Again, I've never taken drugs and I don't pretend to be an expert on them, I can just report what I observe from non-repentant drug users.


WHOA....

Bro, if you don't think Alcohol has mind altering effects then you have never been drunk, or been in a bar, lol.

I will be 100% honest, I used to have a real problem with alcohol, lucky for me the Lord opened my eyes and gave me a chance to live different before I ended up dead. I know all too much about drugs and alcohol, and it's not something I am proud of. However, I will tell you straight up, Pot is not that strong of a drug. In comparison to just about any other drug I can think of, Pot is the least dangerous. The worst part about Pot is that smoking is bad for your lungs and throat.

The Star Wars thing....thats just weird...:laugh:

[MattHughesRocks]

I'm practically an expert on addiction.An addict is an addict is an addict. None "worse" then the other as far as life destroying.Well, other then drugs/alcohol not having quite the same "mind altering" affect as Star Wars toys :laugh:



I agree that there are obsessive-compulsive types who can take anything too far. I've known of guys who have destroyed their finances and ruined their marriages collecting Star Wars toys.

In the case of drugs, however, I believe there is a mind-altering component to them that makes them more dangerous. I don't think that exists in alcohol. Again, I've never taken drugs and I don't pretend to be an expert on them, I can just report what I observe from non-repentant drug users.

[rockdawg21]

Most people just have no will power to quit. I smoked marijuana from the time I was 15 until I was 26 (March 2006). Quitting was easy. I finished what I had, gave away my things and that was it. I also, except on rare occassions, stopped binge drinking and pretty much, drinking altogether (I may have a beer a week). In those days, I was smoking multiple times a day, and it was easy to down 24 beers. It was easy to quit. I felt so much better. I also did meth for a few months, that stuff sucked so bad, it was VERY easy to quit. The biggest problem the other guys had was they couldn't stand the withdrawal and would get high again.

Honestly, if there was any urge to do any of them again, it would be marijuana, simply because it's more relaxing and definitely less harmful than the others.

It all comes down to will power. Some people want to quit and will without any problems or regrets. Others don't.

I also wanted to point out that I never had memory, relationship, or work problems. I'm in commission-based sales for a living so memory recognition is vital to success, I never had any issues with that. I purchased my first house at age 26 in a quiet San Antonio suburb. Brand new house, was even able to pick the paint, flooring, etc. Reason I quit? I was 190 pounds at 5'7" and hated myself because of it, lol

The stereotyping is ridiculous.

[MattHughesRocks]

You were able to make that choice easily and that's fantastic my friend, but for most other people it simply isn't that easy.For some, it's actually hopeless and people end up dead on the bathroom floor with a needle stuck in their arm for someone else to find their body.Even after many many trips to rehab centers. Like I said, good for you that you got to choose.Most people don't . Addiction is a disease and like all diseases, there are different depths :sad:


Most people just have no will power to quit. I smoked marijuana from the time I was 15 until I was 26 (March 2006). Quitting was easy. I finished what I had, gave away my things and that was it. I also, except on rare occassions, stopped binge drinking and pretty much, drinking altogether (I may have a beer a week). In those days, I was smoking multiple times a day, and it was easy to down 24 beers. It was easy to quit. I felt so much better. I also did meth for a few months, that stuff sucked so bad, it was VERY easy to quit. The biggest problem the other guys had was they couldn't stand the withdrawal and would get high again.

Honestly, if there was any urge to do any of them again, it would be marijuana, simply because it's more relaxing and definitely less harmful than the others.

It all comes down to will power. Some people want to quit and will without any problems or regrets. Others don't.

[Moose]

Considered illegal? You mean is illegal

6 and one half-dozen. Same difference.

[rockdawg21]

You were able to make that choice easily and that's fantastic my friend, but for most other people it simply isn't that easy.For some, it's actually hopeless and people end up dead on the bathroom floor with a needle stuck in their arm for someone else to find their body.Even after many many trips to rehab centers. Like I said, good for you that you got to choose.Most people don't . Addiction is a disease and like all diseases, there are different depths :sad:
Well, my opinion, from my experience is that some people want to quit, others just talk. Kinda like actions, few people do, most talk. I've always been kind of a control-type of person (not meaning, "controlling", lol), but have always had it in my mind that I'M the one in control, NOT the drug or alcohol - that's just a fun and temporary escape from reality. Party hard (when it's not going to affect work - headaches, being late, etc.), but work harder. That mentality has a lot to do with personal success.

[VCURamFan]

6 and one half-dozen. Same difference.No, not really. "Considered dead" and "is dead" are completely different. "Considered free" and "is free" are completely different. "Considered cheating" and "is cheating" are completely different (as any glance into the GSP greasing thread will show).

[MattHughesRocks]

Again, that's you and your experience. It's very different for others.Consider yourself damn lucky.


Well, my opinion, from my experience is that some people want to quit, others just talk. Kinda like actions, few people do, most talk. I've always been kind of a control-type of person (not meaning, "controlling", lol), but have always had it in my mind that I'M the one in control, NOT the drug or alcohol - that's just a fun and temporary escape from reality. Party hard (when it's not going to affect work - headaches, being late, etc.), but work harder. That mentality has a lot to do with personal success.

[rockdawg21]

No, not really. "Considered dead" and "is dead" are completely different. "Considered free" and "is free" are completely different. "Considered cheating" and "is cheating" are completely different (as any glance into the GSP greasing thread will show).
Not quite the same as tomatoes (toe may toes) tomatoes (toe mot toes) is it? :w00t:

[rockdawg21]

Again, that's you and your experience. It's very different for others.Consider yourself damn lucky.
Well, call it luck all you want. Others would call it inner strength.
It's like people who binge eat. Some people want to exercise and change diet habits, others actually do it.

[VCURamFan]

Not quite the same as tomatoes (toe may toes) tomatoes (toe mot toes) is it? :w00t:Nope. I'm pretty sure judges don't accept the "Same Difference" defense.

[Moose]

No, not really. "Considered dead" and "is dead" are completely different. "Considered free" and "is free" are completely different. "Considered cheating" and "is cheating" are completely different (as any glance into the GSP greasing thread will show).

But the thing is, it's not necessarily illegal everywhere in the States. In this case, it's considered illegal in his jurisdiction by those particular authorities. You get me?

[Moose]

Nope. I'm pretty sure judges don't accept the "Same Difference" defense.

It's being decriminalized in many areas already, maybe because the government realizes that imprisoning potheads is amazingly stupid. Do you honestly, or does anyone, honestly believe someone should go to jail for smoking cannabis?

[MattHughesRocks]

Well just FYI, theres scientific reasoning behind addiction that I can't even began to touch up on in this forum ( and I wouldnt want to :blink: ) but please just don't look down too harshly on people with true severe addiction issues because you have "inner strength" and others don't.


Well, call it luck all you want. Others would call it inner strength.
It's like people who binge eat. Some people want to exercise and change diet habits, others actually do it.

[Moose]

Well just FYI, theres scientific reasoning behind addiction that I can't even began to touch up on in this forum ( and I wouldnt want to :blink: ) but please just don't look down too harshly on people with true severe addiction issues because you have "inner strength" and others don't.

ERIC CARTMAN YOU RACKA DISCIPRIN!

[rockdawg21]

Well just FYI, theres scientific reasoning behind addiction that I can't even began to touch up on in this forum ( and I wouldnt want to :blink: ) but please just don't look down too harshly on people with true severe addiction issues because you have "inner strength" and others don't.
I appreciate that and have read on addiction as well, but my opinion is "addiction" in any form (drugs, alcohol, overeating, etc.) is just another crutch used to alleviate personal responsibility or self-discipline. Granted, I'm not funded by the government to run those tests, but having gone through the experiences, that's how I feel anyways. It's not harsh, just honest :)

[MattHughesRocks]

Well, perhaps with a little more life experience and maturity you'll open your narrow mind just a little bit :)
God bless you kid.

I appreciate that and have read on addiction as well, but my opinion is "addiction" in any form (drugs, alcohol, overeating, etc.) is just another crutch used to alleviate personal responsibility or self-discipline. Granted, I'm not funded by the government to run those tests, but having gone through the experiences, that's how I feel anyways. It's not harsh, just honest :)

[Moose]

I appreciate that and have read on addiction as well, but my opinion is "addiction" in any form (drugs, alcohol, overeating, etc.) is just another crutch used to alleviate personal responsibility or self-discipline. Granted, I'm not funded by the government to run those tests, but having gone through the experiences, that's how I feel anyways. It's not harsh, just honest :)

The classic nature defense. Some people are just scorpions. It happens.

[que]

i bet he will be in next month's issue of High Times. i wouldn't be surprised if they start sponsoring him too

[VCURamFan]

But the thing is, it's not necessarily illegal everywhere in the States. In this case, it's considered illegal in his jurisdiction by those particular authorities. You get me?Sure, it's being legalized in some localities, but it's still banned by the federal government. Until it's legalized PERIOD, it's still illegal.

[Moose]

Sure, it's being legalized in some localities, but it's still banned by the federal government. Until it's legalized PERIOD, it's still illegal.

Why are we arguing a stupid point of discussion?

[rockdawg21]

Well, perhaps with a little more life experience and maturity you'll open your narrow mind just a little bit :)
LOL, talk about being harsh! I'm not being close-minded. Like I said, I've read on addiction, I just don't agree with it. If I were close-minded, I would just agree with everything I read without questioning it. Especially when I've lived the experience. Just because I'm 29 doesn't mean I'm speaking from inexperience. Like I said, I drank and smoked for more than a decade and was able to quit. That's inexperience and immaturity? I don't get it, but that's ok, no need to get it I guess.
God bless you kid.
That's not harsh though. God bless you too!

Oh, and goodnight! :D

[Moose]

LOL, talk about being harsh! I'm not being close-minded. Like I said, I've read on addiction, I just don't agree with it. If I were close-minded, I would just agree with everything I read without questioning it. Especially when I've lived the experience. Just because I'm 29 doesn't mean I'm speaking from inexperience. Like I said, I drank and smoked for more than a decade and was able to quit. That's inexperience and immaturity? I don't get it, but that's ok, no need to get it I guess.

That's not harsh though. God bless you too!

Oh, and goodnight! :D

She confused maturity with sensitivity.

[Hughes_GOAT]

I agree that there are obsessive-compulsive types who can take anything too far. I've known of guys who have destroyed their finances and ruined their marriages collecting Star Wars toys.



Star Wars toys are better listeners

[J.B.]

Star Wars toys are better listeners

You see, abusing drugs and alcohol will mess up your marriage and mess up your brain, but if you mess up your marriage collecting Star Wars figurines then your brain was already messed up to begin with. :laugh:

[CAVEMAN]

23 year olds often do minor things that are considered illegal. You know, speed, play poker for money, smoke weed, etc. THAT'S what it has to do with it. He's young and on top of the world, all that pressure on his shoulders, let him cool out for a bit. He was only this nation's hopes and dreams for an Olympics and all.


Spoken like a true liberal!!~~:tongue0011: :laugh:

[CAVEMAN]

The problem with legalizing "Mary Jane" is that once you do that, it opens the door for legalization of other drugs! This nation is so morally screwed up already, the last thing it needs is legalization of pot. That would literally open a whole other can of worms!